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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: herpes on April 01, 2007, 07:38:03 PM
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FUCK CENA AND FUCK THE E... im done with wrestling.
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dammit, u spolied it; get prepared to go to the looney bin
lol just playing
im more pissed off the Taker/Batista match wasn't the main event even tho Taker won the Rumble, pretty stupid, and i think they had a better build to the storyline as well
AND Taker gets more cheers than HBK imo
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no shit fuck WWE, how the fuck can they make HBK job to this piece of shit. the crowd was booing louder than ive ever fucking heard. thank god i never have to watch another piece of shit raw again.
FUCK WWE
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Of all the crap they've done the past few years this is what gets you? I stopped watching a long time ago. At least Cena maes business sense. The older crowd love to boo him but they still show up to do so, but it's the younger crowd buying all merch that keeps the belt on him. That's actually quite rare in this company these days; doing something because the dollars say so.
Don't worry, HHH will be back soon based on what I've read and Cena will eventually job to him.
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Don't worry, HHH will be back soon based on what I've read and Cena will eventually job to him.
the other person in the company the fans dont want to see the belt on lol
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I knew that would be the result. I said before if Cena wins i'm done paying any attention to WWE and i'm not changing my mind.
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Don't worry, HHH will be back soon based on what I've read and Cena will eventually job to him.
Unless HHH magically morphs into HBK, I don't give a fuck.
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What's with all the HBK love?
I never liked the guy and never will. He was force fed to us all those years in the 90s and he couldn't draw a stick man picture. Him and Nash ruined my mid-90s experience. They had a real shot to make some money with Vader and ol' Shawn and Kev fucked it up. He can work with the best of them but so could Dean Malenko. That doesn't mean I'd want to see Malenko on top for so long and bury guys like Vader. Than God Austin came along or the WWE would have been in real trouble. The fact that Shawn was a lousy asshole in real life didn't help either.
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the thing about Cena is that he's become so over with the younger crowd that even without the title, he'd be cheered a lot.
hell even the older fans cheered him when Edge had the belt.
they need to keep Cena out of the WWE title picture for a while...kinda like the DX / RKO feud...even tho they weren't going for the biggest title on the brand (yea tag titles were involved but the tag division is crap lol)
Cena can still be over and sell as much as he does know by being the last match before the main event
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yea i was hella disapponited wen cena won. i was really hoping michaels would win it...this is the 2nd year in a row cena retains the title at wrestlemania...fuck that shit
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the thing about Cena is that he's become so over with the younger crowd that even without the title, he'd be cheered a lot.
hell even the older fans cheered him when Edge had the belt.
they need to keep Cena out of the WWE title picture for a while...kinda like the DX / RKO feud...even tho they weren't going for the biggest title on the brand (yea tag titles were involved but the tag division is crap lol)
Cena can still be over and sell as much as he does know by being the last match before the main event
People cheer cena? You kidding me? The whole arena was a sea of boos tonight any time cena landed a punch.
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the thing about Cena is that he's become so over with the younger crowd that even without the title, he'd be cheered a lot.
hell even the older fans cheered him when Edge had the belt.
they need to keep Cena out of the WWE title picture for a while...kinda like the DX / RKO feud...even tho they weren't going for the biggest title on the brand (yea tag titles were involved but the tag division is crap lol)
Cena can still be over and sell as much as he does know by being the last match before the main event
People cheer cena? You kidding me? The whole arena was a sea of boos tonight any time cena landed a punch.
kids still cheer him; but they can't be hear cuase they got the little weeny voices lol
think back to when Edge won the title after the whole weed situation with RVD; Cena was actually being cheered when he was a challenger for the title
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the thing about Cena is that he's become so over with the younger crowd that even without the title, he'd be cheered a lot.
hell even the older fans cheered him when Edge had the belt.
they need to keep Cena out of the WWE title picture for a while...kinda like the DX / RKO feud...even tho they weren't going for the biggest title on the brand (yea tag titles were involved but the tag division is crap lol)
Cena can still be over and sell as much as he does know by being the last match before the main event
People cheer cena? You kidding me? The whole arena was a sea of boos tonight any time cena landed a punch.
kids still cheer him; but they can't be hear cuase they got the little weeny voices lol
think back to when Edge won the title after the whole weed situation with RVD; Cena was actually being cheered when he was a challenger for the title
I don't give a fuck if kids cheer cena. ANy kid that cheers cena must be mentally fuckin retarded.
Now only if there was a way the US could trade cena to iran for those british soldiers and leave him there to die
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the thing about Cena is that he's become so over with the younger crowd that even without the title, he'd be cheered a lot.
hell even the older fans cheered him when Edge had the belt.
they need to keep Cena out of the WWE title picture for a while...kinda like the DX / RKO feud...even tho they weren't going for the biggest title on the brand (yea tag titles were involved but the tag division is crap lol)
Cena can still be over and sell as much as he does know by being the last match before the main event
People cheer cena? You kidding me? The whole arena was a sea of boos tonight any time cena landed a punch.
kids still cheer him; but they can't be hear cuase they got the little weeny voices lol
think back to when Edge won the title after the whole weed situation with RVD; Cena was actually being cheered when he was a challenger for the title
I don't give a fuck if kids cheer cena. ANy kid that cheers cena must be mentally fuckin retarded.
Now only if there was a way the US could trade cena to iran for those british soldiers and leave him there to die
lmao, gotta give u a prop for that one
the kids usually cheer Cena because of that good guy - bad guy thing
most of us grew up watching HBK, so we'd favour him over Cena
these kids have had to grow up watching Cena and his limited abilities
if they allow Cena to be the old Cena like he was back on Smackdown with a more tougher attitude, better in-ring moves and the freestyle stuff, it give his character a much needed boost
still though, i agree that i wanted to see HBK as a champion...the title picture just needs some new faces and not Cena in there for a while
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lol
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7da20b3127cce82fb909cd70b00000016108AbMW7Rw5cuO)
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check out the picture of him at wwe.com
he looks like a turtle now lol
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the thing about Cena is that he's become so over with the younger crowd that even without the title, he'd be cheered a lot.
hell even the older fans cheered him when Edge had the belt.
they need to keep Cena out of the WWE title picture for a while...kinda like the DX / RKO feud...even tho they weren't going for the biggest title on the brand (yea tag titles were involved but the tag division is crap lol)
Cena can still be over and sell as much as he does know by being the last match before the main event
People cheer cena? You kidding me? The whole arena was a sea of boos tonight any time cena landed a punch.
kids still cheer him; but they can't be hear cuase they got the little weeny voices lol
think back to when Edge won the title after the whole weed situation with RVD; Cena was actually being cheered when he was a challenger for the title
I don't give a fuck if kids cheer cena. ANy kid that cheers cena must be mentally fuckin retarded.
Now only if there was a way the US could trade cena to iran for those british soldiers and leave him there to die
lmao, gotta give u a prop for that one
the kids usually cheer Cena because of that good guy - bad guy thing
most of us grew up watching HBK, so we'd favour him over Cena
these kids have had to grow up watching Cena and his limited abilities
if they allow Cena to be the old Cena like he was back on Smackdown with a more tougher attitude, better in-ring moves and the freestyle stuff, it give his character a much needed boost
still though, i agree that i wanted to see HBK as a champion...the title picture just needs some new faces and not Cena in there for a while
Cena will never lose the title. God himself could not get WWE to have cena drop the title. I'm sure plans are already in the works to change the companies name from World Wrestling Entertainment to John Cena Never Loses Entertainment
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I knew that would be the result. I said before if Cena wins i'm done paying any attention to WWE and i'm not changing my mind.
Yeah me too but wuold Hbk as champ be much better they need to elevate Edge, Benjamin and good workers. HBk might still be good but ive seen it before.
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i stopped watching a while ago
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Any word on Edge?
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im slowly stopping watching, i havent sat in front of tv and watched in so long, i watched out the corner of my eye or i tape it and skip thru it
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FUCK CENA AND FUCK THE E... im done with wrestling.
You wer prob to old to watch it anyway :D
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i stopped watching a while ago
Word...
You guys actually paid for this?
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And Tom, didn't you already make this thread?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=3928.0
:laugh:
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i stopped watching a while ago
Yup, I tried watching on a couple of occasions. I just can't get into it anymore.
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Wrestlemania 23 = most predictable ever
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I stopped watching probably close to a year ago now.. and now that Im really into UFC this is impossible to get back into. Thats pretty gay though how Cena didnt lose at wrestlemania though, thats what it was always about, crowning new champs not the champ winning two years in a row lol. Anyways like Don Jac and US said I just cant get into it anymore either
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i stopped watching a while ago
Word...
You guys actually paid for this?
No, thank god. I watched a free online feed.
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i stopped watching a while ago
Word...
You guys actually paid for this?
no, free web stream
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Hooters was crazy packed..inside,patio and fools standing in parking lot watching the patio tv's lol
Cena driving the car into the arena was waaaaaaay better than that Elliot Ness shit he did last year.
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cena needs to fuck off how hbk wasnt given the title is unbelieavable he carried cena through the match fuck wwe
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word is HBK walking away from the hand shake at the end of the match wasnt scripted b/c HBK was really heated at cena on how he didnt sell the leg injury at all.
"MICHAELS UNHAPPY WITH MATCH AGAINST CENA
-- Shawn Michaels was said to be extremely upset and unhappy with his match against John Cena last night, screaming about how it sucked right when he got backstage. The spot after the match where HBK abruptly walked away from a Cena handshake attempt was not scripted, as they were supposed to shake hands. Michaels was red hot at Cena for not selling his leg that he spent the first few minutes of the match working on. A lot of the agents were unhappy with Cena for that as well. In fact, you could see during the match that HBK got in Cena's face and started cutting a shoot promo on him, which is why the audio went out for a few seconds and was replaced with crowd noise."
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^^^crazy shit...i remember that part....FUCK CENA
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Damn...the whole arena is boooing Cena right now!!!
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Damn...the whole arena is boooing Cena right now!!!
I was there last night, i've never heard so many boo's for a good guy. It was awesome because Cena doesn't deserve it. He is so limited in the ring it's boring to watch. Even after they went off air people continued to boo until he went back stage. You could tell Michaels was pissed though,
chill
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Damn...the whole arena is boooing Cena right now!!!
I was there last night, i've never heard so many boo's for a good guy. It was awesome because Cena doesn't deserve it. He is so limited in the ring it's boring to watch. Even after they went off air people continued to boo until he went back stage. You could tell Michaels was pissed though,
chill
You had a good view or were you damn near on the roof?
Tix go sale Sat for June 5th SD/ECW taping here.
Can't wait for WM 24 tix to go on sale
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I wish WCW was still around...at least that made vince to work his ass off and make a good product every week...I wish TNA would give WWE some competition but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Fuck WWE.
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WWE has sucked ever since Kurt Angle left which is why i switched to watching TNA.
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WWE has sucked ever since Kurt Angle left which is why i switched to watching TNA.
TNA is no better anymore, too much crap happens on one show, as in skits, and they have like 1 or 2 matches
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WWE has sucked ever since Kurt Angle left which is why i switched to watching TNA.
TNA is no better anymore, too much crap happens on one show, as in skits, and they have like 1 or 2 matches
Its understandable though, i mean its gotta be hard as hell to put on a good show with only 1 hour to do so. If TNA ever gets that 2nd hour i'm sure itll improve.
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Damn...the whole arena is boooing Cena right now!!!
I was there last night, i've never heard so many boo's for a good guy. It was awesome because Cena doesn't deserve it. He is so limited in the ring it's boring to watch. Even after they went off air people continued to boo until he went back stage. You could tell Michaels was pissed though,
chill
You had a good view or were you damn near on the roof?
Tix go sale Sat for June 5th SD/ECW taping here.
Can't wait for WM 24 tix to go on sale
Our tickets were all that, lower bowl, along side of the entrance,
chill
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WWE has sucked ever since Kurt Angle left which is why i switched to watching TNA.
TNA is no better anymore, too much crap happens on one show, as in skits, and they have like 1 or 2 matches
Its understandable though, i mean its gotta be hard as hell to put on a good show with only 1 hour to do so. If TNA ever gets that 2nd hour i'm sure itll improve.
well theyir claim was that they ARE wrestling and they wouldn't be doing all these little skits that WWE is doing and what not
and on every one hour show, they somehow have to get all the wrestlers on TV which makes thing seem unorganized
fine, they wanna do the skits here and there, no biggie; but some of them are so garbage and unnecessary that they should have a match instead of those lame ass skits
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word is HBK walking away from the hand shake at the end of the match wasnt scripted b/c HBK was really heated at cena on how he didnt sell the leg injury at all.
"MICHAELS UNHAPPY WITH MATCH AGAINST CENA
-- Shawn Michaels was said to be extremely upset and unhappy with his match against John Cena last night, screaming about how it sucked right when he got backstage. The spot after the match where HBK abruptly walked away from a Cena handshake attempt was not scripted, as they were supposed to shake hands. Michaels was red hot at Cena for not selling his leg that he spent the first few minutes of the match working on. A lot of the agents were unhappy with Cena for that as well. In fact, you could see during the match that HBK got in Cena's face and started cutting a shoot promo on him, which is why the audio went out for a few seconds and was replaced with crowd noise."
YOu some kind of insider?hahah
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word is HBK walking away from the hand shake at the end of the match wasnt scripted b/c HBK was really heated at cena on how he didnt sell the leg injury at all.
"MICHAELS UNHAPPY WITH MATCH AGAINST CENA
-- Shawn Michaels was said to be extremely upset and unhappy with his match against John Cena last night, screaming about how it sucked right when he got backstage. The spot after the match where HBK abruptly walked away from a Cena handshake attempt was not scripted, as they were supposed to shake hands. Michaels was red hot at Cena for not selling his leg that he spent the first few minutes of the match working on. A lot of the agents were unhappy with Cena for that as well. In fact, you could see during the match that HBK got in Cena's face and started cutting a shoot promo on him, which is why the audio went out for a few seconds and was replaced with crowd noise."
YOu some kind of insider?hahah
regarding that story:
There are internet reports being posted around saying that Shawn Michaels is furious with John Cena over "not selling the leg properly" during his WrestleMania match as well as other things with the source being attributed to Dave Meltzer on Live Audio Wrestling directly following WrestleMania.
This report is fake.
You can listen to what Dave Meltzer said yourself at http://liveaudiowrestling.com/audio/audio.php and he's on the show starting at the forty-five minute mark and there is no mention of this supposed "story." They talk about buyrates, post-Mania angles, boom periods, and some of the matches before going into MMA discussion for the rest of his time on the show.
http://nodq.com/wwe/177647156.shtml
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word is HBK walking away from the hand shake at the end of the match wasnt scripted b/c HBK was really heated at cena on how he didnt sell the leg injury at all.
"MICHAELS UNHAPPY WITH MATCH AGAINST CENA
-- Shawn Michaels was said to be extremely upset and unhappy with his match against John Cena last night, screaming about how it sucked right when he got backstage. The spot after the match where HBK abruptly walked away from a Cena handshake attempt was not scripted, as they were supposed to shake hands. Michaels was red hot at Cena for not selling his leg that he spent the first few minutes of the match working on. A lot of the agents were unhappy with Cena for that as well. In fact, you could see during the match that HBK got in Cena's face and started cutting a shoot promo on him, which is why the audio went out for a few seconds and was replaced with crowd noise."
If this is real then it just proves that HBK is the bitch he always was. Yeah big time seller he was all these years ::) He'd pull the sell off fine until it was time for his heat spot and he'd kip up and magically he'd be fine. It's one of the things I hated about his matches. That shit works fine in a Hogan match because his matches aren't much to begin with but when you'd see HBK and whoever have a war in the ring and then he'd just jump up and go crazy it took away from the match for me. I don't like that guy.
All these guys mad that Cena won two Manias in a row with his wear work rate would have hated being old enough in the mid 80s when Hogan did it 5 years in a row. And if you count the little screw job on Warrior at WM6 he did it 9 times in a row.
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word is HBK walking away from the hand shake at the end of the match wasnt scripted b/c HBK was really heated at cena on how he didnt sell the leg injury at all.
"MICHAELS UNHAPPY WITH MATCH AGAINST CENA
-- Shawn Michaels was said to be extremely upset and unhappy with his match against John Cena last night, screaming about how it sucked right when he got backstage. The spot after the match where HBK abruptly walked away from a Cena handshake attempt was not scripted, as they were supposed to shake hands. Michaels was red hot at Cena for not selling his leg that he spent the first few minutes of the match working on. A lot of the agents were unhappy with Cena for that as well. In fact, you could see during the match that HBK got in Cena's face and started cutting a shoot promo on him, which is why the audio went out for a few seconds and was replaced with crowd noise."
If this is real then it just proves that HBK is the bitch he always was. Yeah big time seller he was all these years ::) He'd pull the sell off fine until it was time for his heat spot and he'd kip up and magically he'd be fine. It's one of the things I hated about his matches. That shit works fine in a Hogan match because his matches aren't much to begin with but when you'd see HBK and whoever have a war in the ring and then he'd just jump up and go crazy it took away from the match for me. I don't like that guy.
All these guys mad that Cena won two Manias in a row with his wear work rate would have hated being old enough in the mid 80s when Hogan did it 5 years in a row. And if you count the little screw job on Warrior at WM6 he did it 9 times in a row.
Screw job, please explain, this is news to me,
chill
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word is HBK walking away from the hand shake at the end of the match wasnt scripted b/c HBK was really heated at cena on how he didnt sell the leg injury at all.
"MICHAELS UNHAPPY WITH MATCH AGAINST CENA
-- Shawn Michaels was said to be extremely upset and unhappy with his match against John Cena last night, screaming about how it sucked right when he got backstage. The spot after the match where HBK abruptly walked away from a Cena handshake attempt was not scripted, as they were supposed to shake hands. Michaels was red hot at Cena for not selling his leg that he spent the first few minutes of the match working on. A lot of the agents were unhappy with Cena for that as well. In fact, you could see during the match that HBK got in Cena's face and started cutting a shoot promo on him, which is why the audio went out for a few seconds and was replaced with crowd noise."
If this is real then it just proves that HBK is the bitch he always was. Yeah big time seller he was all these years ::) He'd pull the sell off fine until it was time for his heat spot and he'd kip up and magically he'd be fine. It's one of the things I hated about his matches. That shit works fine in a Hogan match because his matches aren't much to begin with but when you'd see HBK and whoever have a war in the ring and then he'd just jump up and go crazy it took away from the match for me. I don't like that guy.
All these guys mad that Cena won two Manias in a row with his wear work rate would have hated being old enough in the mid 80s when Hogan did it 5 years in a row. And if you count the little screw job on Warrior at WM6 he did it 9 times in a row.
Screw job, please explain, this is news to me,
chill
"Screw job" was the first word that came to mind and I couldn't think of another word right away so I just pressed post. I was at the show that night live and I remember how Hogan kicked out right at the three count and it left a lot of people thinking Hogan kicked out and Warrior didn't really win. I was one of them. I was very young and still was in my wrestling is real phase and I was very mad that Hogan was screwed out of the title. I remember a lot of kids saying the same thing in the dome that night and in the subway on the way home. In hindsight it was a real bad start to Warrior's title run because most kids, like me, had a little resent for the Warrior from day one.
It wasn't that big a deal and could have easily been overcome if Warrior was booked better and had better villains but it still could have been done better by Hogan. Of course part of the problem wasn't Hogan's at all. There was going tto be resentment no matter what because Hogan was the big hero. If Hogan had lost the belt to an evil communist Russian like Nikita Koloff and have had Koloff and his CCCP thugs take out Hogan with injury and then put the belt on Warrior who would be avengeing Hulk it would have worked better. The top baby face can never truly put over the new top baby face with out turning heel. Vince Sr new it and so did all the other old time promoters.
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so this WM wasnt as good as the last few? i didnt see it :-[
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lol the question really is; why did you expect hbk to win?
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lol the question really is; why did you expect hbk to win?
I didn't expect him to win, I had just hoped WWE would make a good decision for once and put the belt on HBK one more time before he retires.
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lol the question really is; why did you expect hbk to win?
I didn't expect him to win, I had just hoped WWE would make a good decision for once and put the belt on HBK one more time before he retires.
The WWE has made some real bonehead moves the past few years; keeping the belt off of HBK wasn't one of them. He is a proven failure as far as drawing money goes. Keeping the belt off RVD was stupid because he had the chance to make some real money on top. I think it was worth a shot to see if it were possible. Putting the belt on Orton too early and then taking it off him right away was stupid because it went right back to HHH. cutting Benoit's title run short and never giving him a real main event fued as champ was stupid because Benoit was the kind of champ could make the next champ an instant mega star with a super title match that puts the new guy over more than himself. Shawn Michaels as champ has never helped business and it never will. He's a great worker but he can't draw. As long as Cena is selling t-shirts and DVDs he's going to be the champion and with hte way they are building new baby faces in that company it may be a while before a new baby comes along and sells more merch.
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i went to the royal rumble at the san jose arena when tyson made a lil appearance after that i never watched wrestling again its 2 fake and its really obvious when u watch it live. HBK won the royal rumble that year
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i went to the royal rumble at the san jose arena when tyson made a lil appearance after that i never watched wrestling again its 2 fake and its really obvious when u watch it live. HBK won the royal rumble that year
You mean all this time I've been watching a sham? Not all the matches are fake right? The old Hogan matches; surely they were real?
Seriously though, I don't think anyone in their right mind over the age of 5 or 6 watches for the competition. The people that cheer when Stone Cold stuns McMahon are the same people that cheer when Chuck Norris blows up a terrorist with a rocket launcher while riding a motorcycle on a bumpy terrain and shoots the rocket launcher with no hands on the bike and not only gets the shot off with out falling off but hits the terrorist dead on (seriously that really happened once. it was amazing). Anyway, the point is people watch for mindless fun.
I watch for the art form (which is why I stopped watching WWE). The art of wrestling is making something very fake look very real. There has been some great examples of this in Japan over the years and the old 60s and 70s US wrestling had it's moments. I'd rather watch something fake than something fixed, like boxing and before you know it MMA.
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Stone cold is a whole different story. he brought wrestling back when he was on top wrestling was on top
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Stone cold is a whole different story. he brought wrestling back when he was on top wrestling was on top
That's beside the point. Austin's matches were no more real than HHH's matches from the past couple years. I agree that WWE isn't nearly as entertaining as it was in the Austin era, but it's certainly not more fake.
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Hey Shallow, what are your thoughts on CM Punk?
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I was really hoping HBK was gonna come out to his theme music instead of the DX shit,
chill
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I was really hoping HBK was gonna come out to his theme music instead of the DX shit,
chill
Yeah same here
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Hey Shallow, what are your thoughts on CM Punk?
I can't comment on his WWE run because I haven't watched anything WWE related in a long time, but I loved his ROH stuff. Of course his matches with Joe were absolutely incredible, even the third one which got blasted for not being as good as Joe vs Punk II but it was still great. It wasn't just his matches with Joe. The guy was solid in the ring and on the mic the whole time he was there. He almost went to TNA too but they turned his request to let him and Joe go 45 minutes. In hindsight going to WWE was better, both moneywise and creatively since Russo is making his WCW run look genius with the stuff he's doing there now. In short I'm a big fan, and he's one of the few reasons I even tune into to WWE when it's on. Unfortunately I don't ever seem to tune in when he's on and the stuff that is on instead makes me change the channel. Are his promos his own still or are the geniuses at WWE creative writing them for him?
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Hey Shallow, what are your thoughts on CM Punk?
I can't comment on his WWE run because I haven't watched anything WWE related in a long time, but I loved his ROH stuff. Of course his matches with Joe were absolutely incredible, even the third one which got blasted for not being as good as Joe vs Punk II but it was still great. It wasn't just his matches with Joe. The guy was solid in the ring and on the mic the whole time he was there. He almost went to TNA too but they turned his request to let him and Joe go 45 minutes. In hindsight going to WWE was better, both moneywise and creatively since Russo is making his WCW run look genius with the stuff he's doing there now. In short I'm a big fan, and he's one of the few reasons I even tune into to WWE when it's on. Unfortunately I don't ever seem to tune in when he's on and the stuff that is on instead makes me change the channel. Are his promos his own still or are the geniuses at WWE creative writing them for him?
i'd assume the WWE writers do that for him, or give him a generalized idea of what to say and he runs with it from there
i've only gotten to see a couple of his ECW matches, too lazy to watch on Saturday 12AM on Global lol
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I've hardly seen his promos for ECW, since I don't get the SCI ch in my plan so I wouldn't know. He's had a number of solid matches recently though, like when he faced Booker T and Kennedy.
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yeah, i got to catch those matches, he's got great in-ring skills
he was in-line for a push when Heyman was on ECW, but then he got into their doghouse because he had some attitude problems after Heyman left so he had to job for a while until he realized
i think he improved the attitude, listens to the veterans like Arn Anderson and now should be getting a push again sometime soon
i'd like o see him on Smackdown and compete in the Cruiserweight division...he's a fan favourite and if they let him run with that title, it can probably gain some more interest...and the company could do that for about 2 or 3 months before giving him a bigger push for the US or IC title or something
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yeah, i got to catch those matches, he's got great in-ring skills
he was in-line for a push when Heyman was on ECW, but then he got into their doghouse because he had some attitude problems after Heyman left so he had to job for a while until he realized
i think he improved the attitude, listens to the veterans like Arn Anderson and now should be getting a push again sometime soon
i'd like o see him on Smackdown and compete in the Cruiserweight division...he's a fan favourite and if they let him run with that title, it can probably gain some more interest...and the company could do that for about 2 or 3 months before giving him a bigger push for the US or IC title or something
I wouldn't want him in the cruiser division. He's not any smaller than HBK is now, and that division has a way of burying guys. He just went right to the end of the money in the bank match. I'd say that's enough to get him a strong US or IC title run. If the WWE creates an IC division like they had in the mid 90s and in the late 80s I'd tune back in just to watch that.
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What do you think HBK is weighing in at now, i wouldn't think anymore than 215,
chill
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word is HBK walking away from the hand shake at the end of the match wasnt scripted b/c HBK was really heated at cena on how he didnt sell the leg injury at all.
"MICHAELS UNHAPPY WITH MATCH AGAINST CENA
-- Shawn Michaels was said to be extremely upset and unhappy with his match against John Cena last night, screaming about how it sucked right when he got backstage. The spot after the match where HBK abruptly walked away from a Cena handshake attempt was not scripted, as they were supposed to shake hands. Michaels was red hot at Cena for not selling his leg that he spent the first few minutes of the match working on. A lot of the agents were unhappy with Cena for that as well. In fact, you could see during the match that HBK got in Cena's face and started cutting a shoot promo on him, which is why the audio went out for a few seconds and was replaced with crowd noise."
If this is real then it just proves that HBK is the bitch he always was. Yeah big time seller he was all these years ::) He'd pull the sell off fine until it was time for his heat spot and he'd kip up and magically he'd be fine. It's one of the things I hated about his matches. That shit works fine in a Hogan match because his matches aren't much to begin with but when you'd see HBK and whoever have a war in the ring and then he'd just jump up and go crazy it took away from the match for me. I don't like that guy.
All these guys mad that Cena won two Manias in a row with his wear work rate would have hated being old enough in the mid 80s when Hogan did it 5 years in a row. And if you count the little screw job on Warrior at WM6 he did it 9 times in a row.
Screw job, please explain, this is news to me,
chill
"Screw job" was the first word that came to mind and I couldn't think of another word right away so I just pressed post. I was at the show that night live and I remember how Hogan kicked out right at the three count and it left a lot of people thinking Hogan kicked out and Warrior didn't really win. I was one of them. I was very young and still was in my wrestling is real phase and I was very mad that Hogan was screwed out of the title. I remember a lot of kids saying the same thing in the dome that night and in the subway on the way home. In hindsight it was a real bad start to Warrior's title run because most kids, like me, had a little resent for the Warrior from day one.
It wasn't that big a deal and could have easily been overcome if Warrior was booked better and had better villains but it still could have been done better by Hogan. Of course part of the problem wasn't Hogan's at all. There was going tto be resentment no matter what because Hogan was the big hero. If Hogan had lost the belt to an evil communist Russian like Nikita Koloff and have had Koloff and his CCCP thugs take out Hogan with injury and then put the belt on Warrior who would be avengeing Hulk it would have worked better. The top baby face can never truly put over the new top baby face with out turning heel. Vince Sr new it and so did all the other old time promoters.
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Yeah hopefully CM Punk does move to raw, and get the IC belt. Boring ass Umaga has it right, I guess they just gave him to him to hype up the billionaires match more? CM Punk, Nitro, Dryksta, and Shelton can offer I think some great matches.
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HBK is at 225 according to their website while CM Punk is about 222
so technically both would be able to compete as cruiserweights
and there are a few other top stars that can be used in that division if WWE wanted to try and bring credibility to that division
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i stopped watching a while ago
Yup, I tried watching on a couple of occasions. I just can't get into it anymore.
same here. i honestly dont kno how they expect to please longtime viewers by having cena beat every single wrestler who carries him thru each match. i guess they just love having their top face being hated.
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HBK is at 225 according to their website while CM Punk is about 222
so technically both would be able to compete as cruiserweights
and there are a few other top stars that can be used in that division if WWE wanted to try and bring credibility to that division
I don't see the point of that. The two division should be as far away from eachother as welter weight and heavyweight in boxing. They should be two completely different styles with two completely different sets of wrestlers and each have their own stars. Anyone who is naturally over 190 should heavyweight and anyone naturally under 180 should be cruiser. Now the billed weights coiuld be 205 and over and 195 and under with that 10 pound in between zone left for effect. It doesn't look right that a guy at 205 fights heavy while a guy at 204 fights light. WCW had a great CW division and they never needed two intermix the two weights, and when they started doing it all it did was make the cruiser weights look bad. When you put top level light gus in the ring with top level heavy guys the people don't buy it. Imagine boxing card with Roy Jones vs Vitali Klitchsko, Bernard Hopkins vs Sam Peter, and De La Hoya vs Mike Tyson. The whole thing would be a circus show and be treated as such. If the 3 little guys don't get absolutely destroyed most people will think it was a set up or that the heavys weren't trying hard. Even when Jones beat a not that great Ruiz all the boxing reporters were wondering why Ruiz wasn't throwing any punches. If Jones had fought Lewis he would have gotten destroyed.
The WWE should just build two separate divisions and let it stand. There is more than enough small guys out there to make it really work as a viable product, but the main thing holding it back is the erection Vince McMahon gets at the sight of a steroid induced monster.
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HBK is at 225 according to their website while CM Punk is about 222
so technically both would be able to compete as cruiserweights
and there are a few other top stars that can be used in that division if WWE wanted to try and bring credibility to that division
I don't see the point of that. The two division should be as far away from eachother as welter weight and heavyweight in boxing. They should be two completely different styles with two completely different sets of wrestlers and each have their own stars. Anyone who is naturally over 190 should heavyweight and anyone naturally under 180 should be cruiser. Now the billed weights coiuld be 205 and over and 195 and under with that 10 pound in between zone left for effect. It doesn't look right that a guy at 205 fights heavy while a guy at 204 fights light. WCW had a great CW division and they never needed two intermix the two weights, and when they started doing it all it did was make the cruiser weights look bad. When you put top level light gus in the ring with top level heavy guys the people don't buy it. Imagine boxing card with Roy Jones vs Vitali Klitchsko, Bernard Hopkins vs Sam Peter, and De La Hoya vs Mike Tyson. The whole thing would be a circus show and be treated as such. If the 3 little guys don't get absolutely destroyed most people will think it was a set up or that the heavys weren't trying hard. Even when Jones beat a not that great Ruiz all the boxing reporters were wondering why Ruiz wasn't throwing any punches. If Jones had fought Lewis he would have gotten destroyed.
The WWE should just build two separate divisions and let it stand. There is more than enough small guys out there to make it really work as a viable product, but the main thing holding it back is the erection Vince McMahon gets at the sight of a steroid induced monster.
i agree, i dont think somebody like HBK shud go for the CW title or anything
HBK, Benoit and Rey are 3 guys who can classify as CWs shudnt be put back into that division
they have a few other guys though that can be a part of that division though like Nitro, the Hardys, Super Crazy, Kendrick, London, Little Guido and CM Punk
the Hardys and Kendrick/London are tag champs so they'll both have their own, seperate fueds
and Punk looks like he'll be starting something with the New Breed
the other guys barely have a storyline or anything and would be better utilized in the CW division for a little while because the division isn't getting any shine