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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Gate Won on September 27, 2001, 03:06:59 PM
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of course its good 4 the pokets 2 go commercial
(if ure successful anyway, theres a long sea
of rappers nowadays :o )
but i get sik of seein only about 15% of folks that
deserve xposure among those making progress
How many times until people quit makin the same album
with the same concepts and appearances...
producers....a big part of it is i hate the media
All the media is on the EAST that deals with print...
videos....major labels as well.....they constantly play the same
12-14 cuts.....maybe even acts...most"successful" acts
are from the EAST coast.....but its not even bout that theyre all from the EAST......cuz the underground over there is
neglected as well....the main factor is that enuff real talent
isnt brought the masses...its all the same..status play..
which n turn makes me hate the BIG 5.....
5 corporations own 99% of every label & those are strong
influences on what gets reviewed...xposed....sell millions
even though u might be independant....ure distributor
is either ownned or has financial investment in the ure wayh 2 the records store...or outpowers ure
connects...let me do the programming 4 rap videos on MTV
or BET 4 a cupple months.....every1 would be happy.....
got summore thoughts 2 drop...will do that later
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but imma proceed anyway....
basically most people buy whats "cool" & "in"
& have no want 2 explore new music
or juss great music n general that is not xposed...
If its not bein brainwashed a million times a day
on the radio or TV...even though a majority of the
artists exposed on TV are weak as fukin water
2 summa the pioneers that lay the foundation
4 creativity..its a crok of shit
not 2 say every1 should be sellin millions of albums...
but they dont even give the majority of the masses 2 be accustomed 2 so much of the shit thats out there
at least bac n the late 80s & early 90s they had a wide
spectrum of artists from RAKIM 2 SALT N PEPA 2
BIZ MARKIE 2 SCHOOLY D that had thier xposure.....
Straight up..if ure an independent ure on ure own
Its better on the $ side cuz u see almost 8-10 times the profit
than fukin with a major...but best believe u go thru so much
shit....have record stores tell u NAW ITS NOT COO 2 PROMOTE HERE
or look @ u like WHY THE FUK WOULD WE SELL URE PRODUCT?
not 2 mention u have no ground 2 stand on compared 2 the
advertising & bombardment of major labels.....
In a way its good 4 us underground heads...
u dont have 2 hear sum teeny bopper driving by bumpin
sum shit tryna act hard....or all up on that persons dik....
that never would have even liked em as artists if they
wasnt played on tv/radio.....
that brings 2 sumthin else:
this applies 2 u if ure an underground head.....
if 1 of those artists that u love suddenly blew up
after strugglin in the rap game puttin out quality albums
how would ure opinion change? would u not like them as much
as u did b4 everybody & thier mama started likin it?
I had this happen 2 me with EMINEM......
i was listening 2 him 2 or 3 years b4 he signed with DRE
& HI! MY NAME IS premiered......
now when he blew up i was happy..it didnt change with me....
besides the rolling of my eyes who like i said wouldnt even like
him if MTV hadnt latched on his nuts......
I might add more later.....
but id like 2 end this post by sayin:
FUK MAJOR LABELS! IM UNDERGROUND 4EVER..............
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Difficult To Really Decide, Maisntream Is People Like 2Pac (RIP), Snoop Dogg, Xzibit (New Shit), Kurupt, People Like That, Who All Are Tight, But Then You Got People Like Brotha Lynch Hung, C-Bo, X-Raided, And People Like That, Who Are Also Dope.
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It's easier to get caught up wit the mainstream material as it's drummed into your brain 24/7. I like a mixture of underground & mainstream artists/groups but I couldn't pick 1 genre as there's too much dope choice on both sides.
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Mainstream: Entertainment
Underground: Art/Music
thats how I would differ them... but I like both... Basically mainstream its Snoop, Xzibit, Nas, Dre, Kurupt... ya know
Underground I would go with Dilated People, J5 (getting major now), Ill Nemesis (local rapper), The Crest, Devin... I wouldnt call him mainstream, its all there... you just gotta find what you like, but there is no way where I just like one and not another... too much love out there.
-Big BpG
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naw naw......
im not sayin as far as my music tastes go.....
i love whatevers good music......
im talkin bout tryna make it in this without havin
ure name & face on everything......as well as artists
that dont get the respect theyre due
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I Think Theres 2 Types Of Mainstream, Theres Your Snoop Dogg Mainstream, Then You Got Your Nelly Mainstream.
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mainstream and underground music are equal no matter how you flip it
theres ALOT of GREAT mainstream aritsts and theres ALOT of GREAT underground artists
theres also ALOT of HORRIBLE mainstream artists and theres ALOT of HORRIBLE underground acts
it's like logic siad there 2 different type of main stream
Dr. Dre/Outkast Mainstream: sales millions of records becuase it's GREEEEEEEEEEEEAT music
then
NELLY/Ja Rule Maintream: sales becuase of an image and Novelty type of music
then you got your're under ground
Brotha Lynch/Kool Keith Underground: great Underground music that's underground becuase only a select amount of people can dig it , but never the less GREAT music
then you got:
Mc Gangster/MC New Jersey underground: underground becuase they suck more than nelly and NO ONE likes them and have NO TALENT at all and the only people that buys their album are their mom and dads and close friends kinda underground and the whole content of their albums are overplayed themes cliched beats and played out styles
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all my favorite artists are mainstream so i guess i like mainstream better...
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P P P People say his brain was infected by devils
Name that tune
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I Work at a University Radio station and we are not allowed to be playing main stream music. Even though I was a DJ in a club before where thats all I played because that is what packed the dance floor and that is the whole concept....... I am learning ::)a lot more music (underground) and this might change my out look on the Artists I Currently listen too now.
I LOve Hip Hop and I lovem to listen to different Artists and if you would like to also. ;D I suggest stop listening to the Main radio Stations in you hood and MTV Or Much Music bcause it is all about the promotion and there is some Hella tight artists out there that dont get no promo but are as good as anyone is see on TV........
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that's true but don't pull an ingnorant thing like alienate a whole kind of music just to listen to another
like i said theres just as much bullshit in the underground as their is in the mainstream and just as much good shit
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Here is the biggest Difference...
Mainstream: One Job... Making Music
Underground: Two Jobs... Making Music and Working at Denny's.
-Big BpG
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to me both are the same...But mainstream makes more dough...
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^^^ that's not true at all....
Some underground people are gettin paid! i'm talkin phat wallets. especially the ones that are independent. Of course the Mainstream people like Jay Z and Snoop are gettin paid way more... but still... underground doesn't neccessarely mean you're constantly struggling for a meal.
Mainstream music is just accepted more by MTV, BET and the Radio. I think alot of Underground cuts have Mainstream potential... but it all depends on whether MTV, BET or the Radio are feeling it.
So basically, Mainstream, is the music MTV, BET, and the Radio feed you... the shit they play 24/7 cuz they feel it's gonna make THEM rich. And sometimes the shit they pick, is pretty tight... alot of mainstream songs are dope.... but there's also alot of underground songs that are tight too... but dont get as much play because the big guys at MTV "dont think it has that certain sound"
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Posted by: bluecorvet Posted on: 09/29/01 at 23:24:56
P P P People say his brain was infected by devils
Name that tune
Genius/GZA "Liquid Swords"
That's my favorite CD of my most favorite artist
Bluecorvet I love u 4 that
You caramel sundae butter peacan chocolate deluxe ;)
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^^^ that's not true at all....
Some underground people are gettin paid! i'm talkin phat wallets. especially the ones that are independent. Of course the Mainstream people like Jay Z and Snoop are gettin paid way more... but still... underground doesn't neccessarely mean you're constantly struggling for a meal.
Mainstream music is just accepted more by MTV, BET and the Radio. I think alot of Underground cuts have Mainstream potential... but it all depends on whether MTV, BET or the Radio are feeling it.
So basically, Mainstream, is the music MTV, BET, and the Radio feed you... the shit they play 24/7 cuz they feel it's gonna make THEM rich. And sometimes the shit they pick, is pretty tight... alot of mainstream songs are dope.... but there's also alot of underground songs that are tight too... but dont get as much play because the big guys at MTV "dont think it has that certain sound"
that true about BET but you OBVIOUSLY don't watch MTV or MTV2
MTV2 is almost nothing BUT underground shit and classic old videos and good modern mainstream shit
MTV doens't even hardly play music videos the only 2 shows they play music videos on are MTV Jams and TRL...and BOTH are Request shows that the PEOPLE request from a long list of video ranging from EVERY THING...and when regular mtv does play videos it's whatever is the most demanded for
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Here's my phlosophy: Underground (bayarea raps) is wat I bump in tha trunk, but Mainstream is da one I listen 2 in my cd player, So I need em both 4 my needs.......lol.......
And also listen criminal_909 up there, Theres hella Independent underground rappers dat make stacks of money.......most of em choose 2 be dat way cause its less work and less stress........Some examples of dat are: E40, South park mexican, Brotha Lynch, JT tha bigga figga ETC.......
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I wouldn't say JT is underground... hes crossed the boarder, but not by a lot.
-Big BpG
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that true about BET but you OBVIOUSLY don't watch MTV or MTV2
MTV2 is almost nothing BUT underground shit and classic old videos and good modern mainstream shit
MTV doens't even hardly play music videos the only 2 shows they play music videos on are MTV Jams and TRL...and BOTH are Request shows that the PEOPLE request from a long list of video ranging from EVERY THING...and when regular mtv does play videos it's whatever is the most demanded for
I dont have MTV2 yet.... I wanna get it though... sounds cool, and isn't October supposed to be like Hip Hop month?
But I do watch MTV.... they show a grip of videos at night... It's not even a show or anything... it's just "VIDEOS", they show nothin BUT videos for like 6 hours straight.... and the only Rap they'll show is Jay Z, Nelly, Snoop, Dre, DMX.... you know, all the other mainstream people... and also Direct Effect... if they do show Rap videos on there.. they'll be the same'ol played out videos.
I probably will end up gettin MTV2 though... what kind of underground shit do they play on there?
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Jurrassic 5, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Pharoh Monch, not really underground artists but not well known artists and brand new freshly signed artist from all over
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Here is the biggest Difference...
Mainstream: One Job... Making Music
Underground: Two Jobs... Making Music and Working at Denny's.
-Big BpG
Thats EXACTLY what im talkin bout!!!!!!!
by makin that statement u juss voiced ure respect
4 underground artists (or more correctly lak of).....
do u know what kinda feeling u get by BUSTIN ure muthafukin
ass 2 put out tight-ass albums & thats the kinda respect u get??? by spoon-feeding u all this shit constantly ure programmed juss like they want u 2 be.....
lets put it this way......
Id rather give my $15 2 an artist that NOONE has even heard
of thats bangin and bringin summn new 2 the table instead of
an album thats sellin millions.....Id buy that underground album
1st juss 2 give bak 2 people closer 2 u & me....
And also listen criminal_909 up there, Theres hella Independent underground rappers dat make stacks of money.......most of em choose 2 be dat way cause its less work and less stress........Some examples of dat are: E40, South park mexican, Brotha Lynch, JT tha bigga figga ETC.......
NOT true!!!
as i stated on 1 of my 2 long-ass posts,
AS AN INDEPENDENT U BUST URE BALLS 2 GET AN ALBUM
OUT 2 THE MASSES....HAVE 2 MAKE CALLS URESELF 2
DISTRIBUTORS, RECORD STORES.....PASS OUT FLYERS....
SELL SHIT DIRECTLY 2 THE FANS..A LOT OF DOORS ARE
SLAMMED N URE FACE....U MAKE ABOUT 10 TIMES MORE
MONEY PER SELL ON AN INDEPENDENT, BUT U ALSO DO
20 TIMES THE WORK 2 GET AN ALBUM ON THE STREETS
U HAVE 2 DO ALLLLLLLLLLLLL THE WORK URESELF AND AS I
SPOKE B4 THERES THE INDUSTRY RESPECT
100,000 sales :
MAJOR ARTIST sees bout $2-300,000
(depending on deal)
UNDERGROUND, indpendent artist sees
1 MILLION-1.2 MILLION
the only problem is that u have 2 find avenues 2 get ure name
out there where as a major artists has publicists, advertising
& promotion people...enterouges of people all doin a major artists work...so in NO WAY is there LESS work......
YES THERE IS AS MUCH LAKLUSTER MATERIAL N THE
UNDERGROUND AS N THE MAINSTREAM, THE POINT IS INSTEAD
OF BUYING A TIGHT-ASS UNDERGROUND CD....THEYLL BUY A WAK MAINSTREAM CD INSTEAD...CUZ THEY THINK THATS WHATS TIGHT....THAT THAT WAK MAINSTREAM ARTIST HAD THE FORUM 2 DISPLAY THIER TALENTS & LET PEOPLE DECIDE
IF THEYD LIKE HIS MUSIC OR NOT....I KNOW SUMMA YALL AINT READY 4 YOUNG DROOP...STRAIGHT KILLIN SHIT!! GIVE YOUNG DROOP (& ARTISTS LIKE HIM)
THE CHANCE @ LEAST IS WHAT IM SAYIN!!!!
THERES A VAST POOL OF TALENTED RAPPERS NOT XPOSED BECUAE 5 MAJOR LABELS OWN 99% OF ALL THE INDUSTRY & WHAT GOES ON IN IT. A LOT OF THIS SHIT I HAVE 2 REPEAT CUZ PEOPLE THINK I WONT LISTEN 2 ANY FORM OF MUSIC UNLESS ITS UNDERGROUND.....I LIKE GOOD MUSIC WETHER ITS MAINSTREAM OR NOT..... DID ANY1 ACTUALLY READ WHAT I WROTE IN THOSE 1ST 2 LONG POSTS??
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Id rather give my $15 2 an artist that NOONE has even heard
of thats bangin and bringin summn new 2 the table instead of
an album thats sellin millions.....Id buy that underground album
1st juss 2 give bak 2 people closer 2 u & me....
yeah I agree with that Gate Won, Id rather give my money 2 an underground rapper instead of a puffy or nelly. they work hard & try to promote it as good as possible 2 sell well, but rappers like Puff dont do shit, they go in the studio and make albums within 2 weeks. they dont give 2 shits cause they know they will succeed & b on MTV, even if its a shitty record like the saga continues
mainstream and underground music are equal no matter how you flip it
theres ALOT of GREAT mainstream aritsts and theres ALOT of GREAT underground artists
theres also ALOT of HORRIBLE mainstream artists and theres ALOT of HORRIBLE underground acts
it's like logic siad there 2 different type of main stream
Dr. Dre/Outkast Mainstream: sales millions of records becuase it's GREEEEEEEEEEEEAT music
then
NELLY/Ja Rule Maintream: sales becuase of an image and Novelty type of music
then you got your're under ground
Brotha Lynch/Kool Keith Underground: great Underground music that's underground becuase only a select amount of people can dig it , but never the less GREAT music
then you got:
Mc Gangster/MC New Jersey underground: underground becuase they suck more than nelly and NO ONE likes them and have NO TALENT at all and the only people that buys their album are their mom and dads and close friends kinda underground and the whole content of their albums are overplayed themes cliched beats and played out styles
yeah I agree with that patna
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Genius/GZA "Liquid Swords"
That's my favorite CD of my most favorite artist
Bluecorvet I love u 4 that
You caramel sundae butter peacan chocolate deluxe ;)
Nah dude thats also Cage - Agent Orange
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the problem with the mainstream is that most of the music is diluted, only a few artists are holding it down. (like jake said, dre and outkast) In the underground, there may be alot of artists with incredibly dull music that claim there underground because there records aren't selling for shit, but there are a shit load of artists that are puting out dope and inventive music. (everyone on def jux, project blowed, del etc.
so right now the underground is puting out better music than the mainstream artists.
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i put these thoughts down 2 see how many people actually
feel me on this......we are the WCC & the WCA but all i mostly
see represented on here is folks that already have hella
xposure & $....love 2 the few that can feel whats brewing like
a tea kettle