West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Big BpG on September 19, 2001, 07:04:10 PM
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Well Jay-Z did it, the blueprint will be the number 1 album this week with more than 426,000 albums sold. At number 4 you get Fabulous with "Ghetto Fabulous"
I myself can understand the amazing sales of his album, but the album dissapointed me... quickly too repetitive with oversampling... I was hoping for more.
vol 2 is still my fav.
-Big Bpg
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I myself can understand the amazing sales of his album, but the album dissapointed me... quickly too repetitive with oversampling... I was hoping for more.>>
5 mic classic and youre going to try to complain? Oh well-youre open to your opinion--I wont hate.
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Yea, im going to complain... nothing too impressive out of this impressive...
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I'll be more specific here because I really don't see how Jay-Z can be Rap's Idol, like 2pac was. I was at the Sohh board and there was this guy who had the exact same question and he made a great point, a very great point in my opinion, he said
I don't hate him as a PERSON. As an artist, I can not fathom a grasp on the fact that silly catch phrases like "Jigga What? Jigga Who?", "Can I get a What-what?"..."Fa Shizzal my nizzal, I use to dribble down in V.A." are "legendary" if I can call it that...
exactly... yes, he makes nice music, but CLASSIC? LEGENDARY? not to me. Jay-Z's music content and subject wise is close to my favorite rapper, Snoop. However Snoop isnt mentioned even close to Jay, and I ain't complaining about it either. Snoop, he's my man, he raps what I like, Jay doesn't for me, but the boundaries between him and Snoop aren't big. Jay-Z isn't really RUNNING this game. The media is. Jay-Z isn't better than the man sitting next to him. There are so many rappers out there and to see him get 5 mics, doesn't make me mad, but it gets me thinking... how? There is nothing innovative out of the album, nothing shocking, nothing to good to passup.
The dude at Sohh also brought up this point
I honestly sit down and try to vibe to his music...and it sounds like he's targeting for MIDDLE SCHOOL/SIMPLE-MINDED heads! There's nothing innovative nor intellectual about him...he throws in some R&B samples/hooks, makes his beats a bit more kiddy, he goes platnium...it doesn't make any sense!
The point I make here is about the sampling. Hip Hop has revolved around sampling, without records and sampling, you couldn't have rap. Jay's title "Blueprint" might be referring to the sampling, because out of 13 tracks on his album, More than half are of classic samples from the 70's. The creativeness isn't there in my opinion when you sample too much. Dre is the man when it comes to sampling, especially on his old records, yet he was very creative with it, very innovative and here, Jay seems to grab a whole section of a song, use it as a hook, loop the beat and rap over it. Nothing innovative here, if you're going to give JayZ the 5 mics for his music, then you need to give those other artists he is sampling major credit. They were the innovators, they were the creators of that beat, that music, those lyrics... but Jay seems to take them over and their credit is overshadowed.
What I'm basically saying is why does the media, the fans proclaim him as the best of Hip Hop now... work wise, I can't give it to him... you can work a lot like Jay, but many others work just as hard, but to stand him above all is like what they did to DMX when his first album dropped, he was the best, then Eminem, now JayZ... out of those three, Eminem definetly deserved it... I don't know, I'm not bashing him, and I don't hate him... but like they say...
Jigga Jigga, That Nigga Jigga
He Did It Again... Haterz Dont Like, But They Gotta Fuck With It Cause The Flows So Tight...
-Jay-Z
Hmmm, thats a thought for me
-Big BpG
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yeah great point
but waitl till Bones Or Wash comes out, they gonna be both at # 1 at the same time, trust me
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It was #1 with 425,000 copies sold. I honestly think he lost at least 100,000 in sales because of what happened in NY. With all the shit that went down, some people probably forgot to grab it up.
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Jay-z is the best right now period...End of story...I'm not saying he's 2pac cause he's not... Pac was the best ever...But ain't nobody fucking with Jigga nowadays...The only guy I'll put in Jigga's class nowadays is Eminem...As far as Snoop goes to compare Snoop and Jigga is a joke... Snoop was on top in 93, 94 but he fell the fuk off...get over it man...
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I'm not trying to compare Snoop with Jigga, nor do I really care... I like Snoop. Period. Done. He doesn't need to be on everyones wall for me to like him, but the difference between Snoop's style and Jiggas style is very small if at all... Jigga isn't anything SPECIAL... he's been doing the same ol same ol, just like Snoop... his whole career.
-Big BpG
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Go BPG!!!!!! ;D
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Do yall even listen to the music or do you just skim through it? Damn..Yall need to peep tracks like "Renegades", "Song Cry", and "Blueprint". To say those are based towards 12 year olds is a silly statement that was only said for shock value.
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for once i agree with BPG, i really dont see the hip hop world's facination with Jay. i think he was in the right place at the right time when Pac and Big died, and has rode that out.
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Do yall even listen to the music or do you just skim through it? Damn..Yall need to peep tracks like "Renegades", "Song Cry", and "Blueprint". To say those are based towards 12 year olds is a silly statement that was only said for shock value.
Yes, I'm curretnly playing the album at the moment. Those songs are good, but not INSPIRING, not CLASSIC MATERIAL, NOT INNOVATIVE... Song Cry is a dope track, Renegades is dope for the lyrics, Blueprint, I don't feel that as much, but the material that he is presenting here isn't WHOA... 5 stars in The source! Come on, there are a lot of cd's that are just as good as Blueprint, if not better, and they get shunned because Jay-Z is Jay-Z... I don't get it... the media is looking for someone to takeover the rap game, and well... they will make Jay-Z that man.
-Big BpG
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Jay-z is the best right now period...End of story...I'm not saying he's 2pac cause he's not... Pac was the best ever...But ain't nobody fucking with Jigga nowadays...The only guy I'll put in Jigga's class nowadays is Eminem...As far as Snoop goes to compare Snoop and Jigga is a joke... Snoop was on top in 93, 94 but he fell the fuk off...get over it man...
GOOD POINT
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Keep it up Jigga....
look at it this way.. both jigga and mariah carey's albumz debuted the same week..but jigga debuted at no.1 and mariah at no.7...2 thums up to jigga!!!
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THERE IS NOW WAY IN HELL THIS ALBUM DESERVES 5 MICS OR IS IT IN ANY WAY A HIP HOP CLASSIC!
y'all should know that as long as jay-z and the source co-exist they are going to pamper jay-z with 1 mic higher ratings than he deserves
plus the source will forever overrate sorry albums and underrate good albums
i have to admit when i first got this album last wednesday i thought to myself "hey this album is pretty good almost as good as Vol 1." but never ever ever ever ever did i think this was a classic!
then after every time i played the album instead of feeling more at home with it and feeling it more i grew more and more tired of it.....this album gets old QUICK! (now tell yourself something does a classic album rot with age or grow sweeter with age?)
then i do my usual of disecting the lyrics and beats
they lyrics: ain't nothing special just look at every thing he's done after Vol 1 and it's all the same as that---plus he attempts on being emotional but it seems to me like he's just doing that out of his ass becuase he knows all his critics complain about his materialism so he attempts an emotional song...if this wasn't his intentions --hey my bad jigga but the song still sounds forced and if not he made it so easy to see through this
beats: catchy -- :-/but they get old quick, for example when we all heard h to the izzo EVERY one said "hey i like this" but after a while of hearing that song that beat got so old so fast...the beats on this album are sloppily mixed the drums and synths and samples are all mis-layered and mostly sound like something that one of his producers cooked up real quick and had him rap over it once from some rhyme he wrote in his car on the way to the studio...the only excusable beat is the eminem one and probably tracks 2 and 7 (take over and hovito i think) are the beats catchy :) but do they lose they're appeal more and more after every listen YES
if you disagree with my review hey FINE, i never said this was the worst album of the year
it's about a 3.75-4 mic album
but no classic! if you think it is i'mma slap you and sit you in a room and make you listen to
It Takes a nation of millions
The Chronic
Aquemini
Midnight Mirauders
Death Certificate
Straight Out of Compton
all mother fucking day long to you appreciate what a TRUE classic is
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jay-z and snoop's flows are completely different, jay-z is way better at wording he music and snoops vocabulary is very limited, peace.
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at their bests that's debatable...but they way they both are theres NO DIFFERENCE WHAT SO EVER other than jay-z's voice is higher pitched