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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: W3STCOAST on May 01, 2007, 05:00:08 PM
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WHO DO YOU THINK IS GONNA TAKE IT I GOT 50 BUCKS ON DE LA HOYA............
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De La Hoya is a joke now, he wouldn't win if his life depended on it, Mayweather is fuckin' quick and strong, way more than De La Hoya, De La Hoya should just stick to singing, I used to be a fan of Oscar but fuck him now
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I don't really care, I just want the fight to happen so I don't have to watch those annoying ass advertisements anymore
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Mayweather is going to get his ass beat.
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De La Hoya is going down.
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man 1 last show from de la hoya to shut up this arrogant twat
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man, all Mayweather gotta do is punch that faggot on the kidney and Bernard Hopkins his bitch ass.
MayWaether by knockout, Round 9.
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Mayweezy
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Floyd 70% - Oscar 30%
mayweather wont knock him out, will prolly win by decision
oscar's only chance to win is by knockout, which is obviously gonna be very hard, thats why i give him so low percentage even though hes one of the greatest of his time..
floyd by decision
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De La Hoya doesn't stand a chance.
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^ Doesn't stand a chance? C'mon now.
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I think De La Hoya will knock him out by the 8th or 9th Mayweather has never beat anybody as good as Oscar
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De La Hoya doesn't stand a chance.
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If any of you motherfuckers watch boxing you would know that Oscar will be Mayweathers tuffest opponent ever.I hate the way Mayweather fights he fucking runs like a bitch around the ring and i know for a fact he will not fight Oscar because he will get him.I hate to say it but i see this fight being boring as fuck due to Mayweathers style (stick and run run run).I see Oscar winning by decision because he knows how to cut the ring and will make Mayweather eventually fight him.
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^ If the judges don't fuck him over.
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^ If the judges don't fuck him over.
na nigga. Tito won that fight after Oscar started running away the last couple of rounds.
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As much of a asshole Floyd is, I think he will pull it out. I have met him a couple of times since he lives in Vegas and the guy acts like the world owes him something. But he has pissed alot of people off in the boxing world so if it is close at all, Oscar might get the decision.
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if it goes to a decision i think they will give it to oscar
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im hopeing mayweather becuase i love his style and he is the best boxer since ali and leonard... plus i like his style
but de la hoya has a good chance to beat him
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im hopeing mayweather becuase i love his style and he is the best boxer since ali and leonard... plus i like his style
but de la hoya has a good chance to beat him
LOL
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Who remember's the Jose Luis Castillo Fight?
I bet Mayweather don't want to.... 8)
I've seen ^^ his crackhead uncle Roger crumble to JC Chavez
and quit in the corner..
I don't think the apple falls far from the tree.
the only big name's on Mayweather's record off the top of my head would be
Gatti - De La Hoya Whooped him aswell, & at Gatti's best
Corrales - Mayweather's greatest performance to date...
Judah - Crack'y Roger got involved and ruined a fight Judah had in the bag up untill that point
+ Mayweather wanted to quit during the match.
Castillo - Hit mayweather like he has never been hit before, & till this day still don't know why the decison went his way..
notice they never show clip's of that fight during all this publicity.
bottomline is tho, styles make fight's...
and I anticipate a great fight by these guy's, but to be honest I'll give Mayweather the runner's chance
If Lil' Floyd decides to slug with Oscar....Goodnight, De La Hoya will win.
If Oscar goes backward's & back's up during the fight even a lil', Floyd will win round's even without throwing a punch.
(Ring Generalship)
154lbs is a whole different world.
De La Hoya should win, IMO
can't wait for Sat, Let's Go Oscar
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^ Yeah, I remember the first Castillo/Mayweather fight. Castillo got robbed that muthafuckin' fight. That should have been Floyd's firs lost.
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^ If the judges don't fuck him over.
na nigga. Tito won that fight after Oscar started running away the last couple of rounds.
Score cards are score cards. It didn't make any sense to lose the first 8 rounds, win the last 4 and end up winning. Something was fidhy about that fight. There was no way Tito won even 2 of the first 8. In any other sport based on points this can't happen. The judges had that fight set up from the start.
Of course crooked boxing matches are nothing new. Just ask Sonny Liston's family.
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^ If the judges don't fuck him over.
na nigga. Tito won that fight after Oscar started running away the last couple of rounds.
Score cards are score cards. It didn't make any sense to lose the first 8 rounds, win the last 4 and end up winning. Something was fidhy about that fight. There was no way Tito won even 2 of the first 8. In any other sport based on points this can't happen. The judges had that fight set up from the start.
Of course crooked boxing matches are nothing new. Just ask Sonny Liston's family.
Exactly, they also fucked him over in the second Mosely fight.
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Yeah i remember Castillo-Mayweather 1 Castillo pretty much out boxed mayweather even hurting him a few times while Mayweather didnt do shit to him.I see the same thing in this fight but if De la hoya gets the hits Castillo got on Mayweather i think he could go down.Mayweather is a pussy i hate it how people like this guy yet he is scared to go toe to toe with a fighter then why the fuck do you want to watch his fights if he doesnt want to fight.
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Yeah i remember Castillo-Mayweather 1 Castillo pretty much out boxed mayweather even hurting him a few times while Mayweather didnt do shit to him.I see the same thing in this fight but if De la hoya gets the hits Castillo got on Mayweather i think he could go down.Mayweather is a pussy i hate it how people like this guy yet he is scared to go toe to toe with a fighter then why the fuck do you want to watch his fights if he doesnt want to fight.
I hope he takes Dana White's challenge to fight Sean Sherk in the UFC. How funny would it be to see Pretty Boy tap out inside of 2 minutes while the world is watching? (of course if he wins by chance it takes MMA down a huge peg in the mainstream eyes).
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I think it will be a close one but De La Hoya will pull it out imo
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de la hoya will win.
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I hope he takes Dana White's challenge to fight Sean Sherk in the UFC. How funny would it be to see Pretty Boy tap out inside of 2 minutes while the world is watching? (of course if he wins by chance it takes MMA down a huge peg in the mainstream eyes).
Imagine A-Rod vs. Kobe in a HomeRun hitting contest?
come on bro, different sport's...
I bet if they had boxing gloves with boxing rules Sean Sherk would last all of 30 second's againt Mayweather
Even if you were to train Sherk for boxing & only boxing for the rest of his carrer chances are
Floyd would knock his ass out everytime.
I like how the UFC alway's tries to call out Boxer's...lol
it's kinda funny & Pathetic at the same time.
I love the UFC don't get me wrong...
but in no way can any fighter in the UFC (IMO) beat a world class Boxer at their given weight in a
Boxing rules matchup.
same goes for the other way around, a MMA fighter will 9-10 beat a Boxer in a MMA style match.
(Boxer alway's have that puncher's chance)
besides that, Mayweather is BIG money
Can the UFC afford that?
if so...
let's get him in the octagon fuck it...lol
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Hmmm I'm still asking myself if this fight is worth to stand up at 4:45 am
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Hmmm I'm still asking myself if this fight is worth to stand up at 4:45 am
On paper I say yes bro..
But to tell you the truth, both fighter's have the styles to make this a
boring fight.
let's hope this 24/7 experiment by HBO work's out & both come out with fire for this one.
I'm expecting a KO, shit for $50+ someone better get knocked the fuck out.
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^^^^
so are they are kind of defensive fighters?
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^^^^
so are they are kind of defensive fighters?
They are both on paper Boxer/Puncher's
which mean's they will only counter punch if punched at.
they are normaly not aggressive & Chase, but like I said this fight has so much riding on it
I'm expecting firework's.
it will not be a Hatton Vs. Castillo!! tho..
(I hope it will be, tho)
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if its going to be a great fight it will be up to Mayweather wanting to actually fight.Mayweathers style is fucking trash bro when have you actually seen him fight toe for toe?All im saying if De la hoya can connect just one really good punch i think he can hurt mayweather and im pretty de la hoya has nothing to worry about from mayweather besides just chasing him through out the fight.
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I hope he takes Dana White's challenge to fight Sean Sherk in the UFC. How funny would it be to see Pretty Boy tap out inside of 2 minutes while the world is watching? (of course if he wins by chance it takes MMA down a huge peg in the mainstream eyes).
Imagine A-Rod vs. Kobe in a HomeRun hitting contest?
come on bro, different sport's...
I bet if they had boxing gloves with boxing rules Sean Sherk would last all of 30 second's againt Mayweather
Even if you were to train Sherk for boxing & only boxing for the rest of his carrer chances are
Floyd would knock his ass out everytime.
I like how the UFC alway's tries to call out Boxer's...lol
it's kinda funny & Pathetic at the same time.
I love the UFC don't get me wrong...
but in no way can any fighter in the UFC (IMO) beat a world class Boxer at their given weight in a
Boxing rules matchup.
same goes for the other way around, a MMA fighter will 9-10 beat a Boxer in a MMA style match.
(Boxer alway's have that puncher's chance)
besides that, Mayweather is BIG money
Can the UFC afford that?
if so...
let's get him in the octagon fuck it...lol
The problem is that Mayweather started all the fuss when he said any 10-0 fighter can beat any UFC guy in any style of fight. Dana White responded with the challenge. Fuck rules. Make it an anything goes street fight. Fedor will beat any boxer in the history of boxing in that context. No one is saying that MMA guys would dominate boxing under boxing rules but someone who can fight multiple styles is usually a better fighter than someone that only fights one style.
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LOL@the first judge scored the fight in Oscar's favor. :-X
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Yeah the fight defo did not live up to the hype..
Oscar could have won the fight with just the "Jab" alone IMO.
to bad he decided to throw it only like 2 round's in total.
Mayweather fought what everyone expected....
Oscar did not, bottomline.
we all expected firework's from oscar & we got sparkler's..
we expected a marathon from Floyd and we got one, AKA his fight.
Floyd is very fast, but his style is very beatable, he need's to reset every time a jab is thrown at him..
his defense is good, but an overhand right can penetrate his croutching style.
(Then again easier said than done, but this is the formula)
To bad Pamona's green eyed Champion might never get a chance to fight Floyd.
I think Shane has the style to give Mayweather problem's, then again...
Why should the pretty Boy fight anyone else, he beat The Golden Boy.
Hatton Vs. Castillo, That's gonna be the fight to watch.
Boxing is not dead.
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The fight went EXACTLY as I expected. Mayweather going for the big hit, Oscar gettin too excited.. $50 in my pocket.
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LMMFAO....damn, I wonder if some Ese's got somethin on his head for all that shit
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I DONT THINK MAYWEATHER WAS DISRESPECTING.... HE WAS JUST IN THE CINCO DE MAYO SPIRIT
HIM AND OSCAR ARE VERY GOOD FRIENDS AND HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THAT... AND IN LAS VEGAS NO RACIAL WARS WENT DOWN OR ANYTHING IT WAS ALL PEACE :)
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de la hoya been overrated.
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de la hoya been overrated.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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de la hoya been overrated.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
who has he beat that was actually a legit boxer? the only person i can think of is Pernell Whitaker, and he was past his prime. Vargas, a lot of power with no defense at all, Hector Camacho, 50+ fights deep, beat Quarty on a split, and Mayorga is a wild puncher with no defense.
the only legit fights that Hoya has fought and beat is Gatti and Oba Carr.
it just seems like he came into the sport when everybody left or the was past thier primes heading into retierment.
when he faced legit fighters in thier prime:
Shane lost twice.
Trinidad lost by MAJORITY D.
Got beat up by 40 year old Hopkins
and got his shit handed by Mayweather.
;D
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Lost to Shane once, second fight get got fucked over by judges.
Beat Trinidad, got fucked over by judges.
Hopkins beat him.
And it's not like Mayweather beat the shit outta him.
Who has Mayweather beat?
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Lost to Shane once, second fight get got fucked over by judges.
Beat Trinidad, got fucked over by judges.
Hopkins beat him.
And it's not like Mayweather beat the shit outta him.
Who has Mayweather beat?
the only fighter that Mayweather has beat that was a legit fighter was Gatti.
he also fought Zab Judah, but i think people regard Judah as a much better fighter than he really is.
so you ask, why doesnt suckaa free say that mayweather is overrated?
even though Maywaether hasn't really beat anybody of substance, he hasnt LOST either. thats the difference. you cant fault the nigga for just winning every fight, its not his fault there is nobody is his class that can beat him.
but by no means does that mean he is one of the 5 greatest fighters at his weight. the media makes him seem like the untouchable dude because nobody else is really that good Right Now. but like i said, he IS un defeated though. its a double edged sword.
but i still think Gatti can take him if he gets his shit together.
:bandit:
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The thing about Mayweather is that he shouldn't be undefeated. He lost the first fight against Castillo and everyone who watched that fight knows it.
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I agree...I always thought De La Hoya was overrated. Sure, he's a good boxer, but he doesn't deserve to be the most recognized figure in boxing AS A BOXER. Not saying he isn't great, but I wouldn't consider him an all-time great, and that's the sort of attention he gets...PeACe
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boozer fucken murderd us on the boards, and we were still right in it. we should have stole Game 1. :(
Hopefully Nellie will give Harrington more time in Game 2 as he played very well in this game. it will also be harder for Boozer to get over him.
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boozer fucken murderd us on the boards, and we were still right in it. we should have stole Game 1. :(
Hopefully Nellie will give Harrington more time in Game 2 as he played very well in this game. it will also be harder for Boozer to get over him.
Wrong thread, loco.
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Most of you youngin's would not know the impact of De la Hoya's earlier victories..
so before you say Oscar fought nobody do your homework first.
His list of victories over Champion's & Former champion's is a who's who of the best the 90's had to offer.
Including victories over: (I will not list their accomplishment's in the ringm That's the homework part)
JC Chavez
Rafael Ruelas
Jorge Paez
Hector Camacho
Pernel Whitaker
Ricardo Mayorga
Fernando Vargas
Arturo Gatti
Oba Carr
Ike Quartey
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Jesse James Leija
Jeff Mayweather (The Least talked about Mayweather, Lil' Floyd's Tio)
in his 5th fight as a pro
Just a list of some of the fighter's Oscar has defeated during his time.
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^ School them. 8)
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Not saying he didn't have great victories...Doesn't mean he's not overrated though.
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De La Hoya, to me, is the 2nd greatest Mexican fighter only behind
Julio Cesar Chavez
108-6-2 87KOs
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Overrated? How so, and who is justly rated? Oscar is still in the top 15 of the best pound for pound boxers today, as a 34 year old. If he was 27-29, then he would be seen in the top 5. He's rated fine, he's also very popular but those are just two different things.
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Most of you youngin's would not know the impact of De la Hoya's earlier victories..
so before you say Oscar fought nobody do your homework first.
His list of victories over Champion's & Former champion's is a who's who of the best the 90's had to offer.
Including victories over: (I will not list their accomplishment's in the ringm That's the homework part)
JC Chavez
Rafael Ruelas
Jorge Paez
Hector Camacho
Pernel Whitaker
Ricardo Mayorga
Fernando Vargas
Arturo Gatti
Oba Carr
Ike Quartey
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Jesse James Leija
Jeff Mayweather (The Least talked about Mayweather, Lil' Floyd's Tio)
in his 5th fight as a pro
Just a list of some of the fighter's Oscar has defeated during his time.
True, and alot of those fighters were also past there prime as well. Oscar like his nickname says was the Golden Boy coming out of the Olympics and his camp brought him along slowly. He was able to get these fights in the prime of his career and towards the end of some of his opponents. Quartey, Ruelas, Carr and Gonzalez were still in their prime but definitely not Chavez, Vargas, Whitaker Leija, Gatti, Paez or Mayweather really.
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boozer fucken murderd us on the boards, and we were still right in it. we should have stole Game 1. :(
Hopefully Nellie will give Harrington more time in Game 2 as he played very well in this game. it will also be harder for Boozer to get over him.
Wrong thread, loco.
:P
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LMAO @ People saying Oscar is overrated. LMAO @ He never fought any legit fighters.
His losses to Mosely were rather legit, while most people will dispute the 2nd fight, I won't. But, his loss to Trinidad was bull. Anyone who knows boxing knows De La Hoya won. Anyone moving up to fight Hopkins like De La Hoya did would've lost.
De La Hoya consistently moved up weight classes to fight the best and brightest. Moving up to Middleweight and only having one fight (Sturm) preceding the Hopkins fight was a mistake. But it showed De La Hoya's heart.
Lastly, this loss to Mayweather wasn't all that bad. He was outclassed, but then again, Mayweather got him at the end of his career. Just like you discredit De La Hoya's wins over Chavez since he was "out of his prime," anyone can do the same to Mayweather for this win.
I don't think anyone can make a real legit arguement as to how and why Oscar is overrated aside from just stating it.
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LMAO @ People saying Oscar is overrated. LMAO @ He never fought any legit fighters.
His losses to Mosely were rather legit, while most people will dispute the 2nd fight, I won't. But, his loss to Trinidad was bull. Anyone who knows boxing knows De La Hoya won. Anyone moving up to fight Hopkins like De La Hoya did would've lost.
De La Hoya consistently moved up weight classes to fight the best and brightest. Moving up to Middleweight and only having one fight (Sturm) preceding the Hopkins fight was a mistake. But it showed De La Hoya's heart.
Lastly, this loss to Mayweather wasn't all that bad. He was outclassed, but then again, Mayweather got him at the end of his career. Just like you discredit De La Hoya's wins over Chavez since he was "out of his prime," anyone can do the same to Mayweather for this win.
I don't think anyone can make a real legit arguement as to how and why Oscar is overrated aside from just stating it.
From Quartey on, Oscar has fought the best of the best. No doubt about it.
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LMAO @ People saying Oscar is overrated. LMAO @ He never fought any legit fighters.
His losses to Mosely were rather legit, while most people will dispute the 2nd fight, I won't. But, his loss to Trinidad was bull. Anyone who knows boxing knows De La Hoya won. Anyone moving up to fight Hopkins like De La Hoya did would've lost.
De La Hoya consistently moved up weight classes to fight the best and brightest. Moving up to Middleweight and only having one fight (Sturm) preceding the Hopkins fight was a mistake. But it showed De La Hoya's heart.
Lastly, this loss to Mayweather wasn't all that bad. He was outclassed, but then again, Mayweather got him at the end of his career. Just like you discredit De La Hoya's wins over Chavez since he was "out of his prime," anyone can do the same to Mayweather for this win.
I don't think anyone can make a real legit arguement as to how and why Oscar is overrated aside from just stating it.
Exactly, and I'm not the biggest Oscar fan, but to say he's overrated is ridiculous.
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LMAO @ People saying Oscar is overrated. LMAO @ He never fought any legit fighters.
His losses to Mosely were rather legit, while most people will dispute the 2nd fight, I won't. But, his loss to Trinidad was bull. Anyone who knows boxing knows De La Hoya won. Anyone moving up to fight Hopkins like De La Hoya did would've lost.
De La Hoya consistently moved up weight classes to fight the best and brightest. Moving up to Middleweight and only having one fight (Sturm) preceding the Hopkins fight was a mistake. But it showed De La Hoya's heart.
Lastly, this loss to Mayweather wasn't all that bad. He was outclassed, but then again, Mayweather got him at the end of his career. Just like you discredit De La Hoya's wins over Chavez since he was "out of his prime," anyone can do the same to Mayweather for this win.
I don't think anyone can make a real legit arguement as to how and why Oscar is overrated aside from just stating it.
So he's good enough to be the most recognized figure in boxing? LOL@that.
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De La Hoya, to me, is the 2nd greatest Mexican fighter only behind
Julio Cesar Chavez
108-6-2 87KOs
This is what i told my homie when he was sayin Oscar De La Hoya was the best mexican fighter ever.
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De La Hoya, to me, is the 2nd greatest Mexican fighter only behind
Julio Cesar Chavez
108-6-2 87KOs
This is what i told my homie when he was sayin Oscar De La Hoya was the best mexican fighter ever.
Yeah, Best Mexican fighter has to be Chavez, no doubt. His son is shaping up to be a pretty good fighter himself.
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So he's good enough to be the most recognized figure in boxing? LOL@that.
You say LOL @ That... But you have nothing concrete to back that up. What makes him "not good enough"?? Did he not move up from Super Featherweight 30 pounds to Middleweight and hold titles in each Class? Did he not accept damn near any and every challenge threw at him? Did he not beat Paez, Johnny Molina, Ruelas, Leija, Chavez (twice!), Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Whittaker, Camacho, Quartey and Carr before his first "loss"? Even after his loss, he still beat notables like Gatti, Castillejo and Campas.
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So he's good enough to be the most recognized figure in boxing? LOL@that.
You say LOL @ That... But you have nothing concrete to back that up. What makes him "not good enough"?? Did he not move up from Super Featherweight 30 pounds to Middleweight and hold titles in each Class? Did he not accept damn near any and every challenge threw at him? Did he not beat Paez, Johnny Molina, Ruelas, Leija, Chavez (twice!), Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Whittaker, Camacho, Quartey and Carr before his first "loss"? Even after his loss, he still beat notables like Gatti, Castillejo and Campas.
I always wanted to see him fight Ike Quartey again. I thought even with the knockdown in the 12th, De La Hoya did not win that fight.
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So he's good enough to be the most recognized figure in boxing? LOL@that.
You say LOL @ That... But you have nothing concrete to back that up. What makes him "not good enough"?? Did he not move up from Super Featherweight 30 pounds to Middleweight and hold titles in each Class? Did he not accept damn near any and every challenge threw at him? Did he not beat Paez, Johnny Molina, Ruelas, Leija, Chavez (twice!), Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Whittaker, Camacho, Quartey and Carr before his first "loss"? Even after his loss, he still beat notables like Gatti, Castillejo and Campas.
I just don't think he's an all-time great, and that's the sort of recognigion he gets. You're saying there aren't better boxers out there who don't have nearly as much hype behind their name? Come on, now.
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That's not much logic. De la Hoya has more than just hype. He's proven time and again how great he is. He's challeneged himself in nearly every fight. He doesn't discredit fighters so he doesn't have to go against them like other "champions" have. He has always looked for the best fighters to beef up his W column. He's one of the greats. And until someone can come with a competent enough arguement, I cannot believe otherwise.
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That's not much logic. De la Hoya has more than just hype. He's proven time and again how great he is. He's challeneged himself in nearly every fight. He doesn't discredit fighters so he doesn't have to go against them like other "champions" have. He has always looked for the best fighters to beef up his W column. He's one of the greats. And until someone can come with a competent enough arguement, I cannot believe otherwise.
How many times have you heard people saying he's "the best", or he's "the greatest Mexican boxer of all time", when that's obviously not true? That's the definition of overrated.
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It's not overrating because any Boxing Fan can easily make the arguement that he is indeed the Best Mexican Boxer or just best Overall. Again, you're just making statements which leads me to believe that you really don't know what you're talking about, you're just going by what you read in threads such as these. How is it "obviously not true" NIK? Since you said it, elaborate. Where are the facts to back this up? Can one not argue that De La Hoya has proven his greatness? Can he not be mentioned among the elite? If not, then what do you say about his record? Are you saying the people he beat were nobodies? That he never beat a fighter who was consider great?
Oscar is the definition of a great fighter. If Boxing had more fighters like Oscar and less like Mayweather (backing out of boxing when they're on "top" instead of taking on the best), Boxing wouldn't be in it's current state. Nobody in the past 15 years of Boxing has defeated all the people De La Hoya has. And it's obviously true...
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It's not overrating because any Boxing Fan can easily make the arguement that he is indeed the Best Mexican Boxer or just best Overall. Again, you're just making statements which leads me to believe that you really don't know what you're talking about, you're just going by what you read in threads such as these. How is it "obviously not true" NIK? Since you said it, elaborate. Where are the facts to back this up? Can one not argue that De La Hoya has proven his greatness? Can he not be mentioned among the elite? If not, then what do you say about his record? Are you saying the people he beat were nobodies? That he never beat a fighter who was consider great?
Oscar is the definition of a great fighter. If Boxing had more fighters like Oscar and less like Mayweather (backing out of boxing when they're on "top" instead of taking on the best), Boxing wouldn't be in it's current state. Nobody in the past 15 years of Boxing has defeated all the people De La Hoya has. And it's obviously true...
Who is left for Mayweather to fight?
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It's not overrating because any Boxing Fan can easily make the arguement that he is indeed the Best Mexican Boxer or just best Overall. Again, you're just making statements which leads me to believe that you really don't know what you're talking about, you're just going by what you read in threads such as these. How is it "obviously not true" NIK? Since you said it, elaborate. Where are the facts to back this up? Can one not argue that De La Hoya has proven his greatness? Can he not be mentioned among the elite? If not, then what do you say about his record? Are you saying the people he beat were nobodies? That he never beat a fighter who was consider great?
Oscar is the definition of a great fighter. If Boxing had more fighters like Oscar and less like Mayweather (backing out of boxing when they're on "top" instead of taking on the best), Boxing wouldn't be in it's current state. Nobody in the past 15 years of Boxing has defeated all the people De La Hoya has. And it's obviously true...
It's just my opinion, man. I've seen De La Hoya fight many times, and though I admit he's very good, I never saw anything spectacular from him, or anything to warrant his GOATesque status. He's a businessman, which also probably has a lot to do with how much fame and hype there is behind his name...When a better fighter, like Mayweather, is not even HALF as known as De La Hoya, what does that tell you?
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It's not overrating because any Boxing Fan can easily make the arguement that he is indeed the Best Mexican Boxer or just best Overall. Again, you're just making statements which leads me to believe that you really don't know what you're talking about, you're just going by what you read in threads such as these. How is it "obviously not true" NIK? Since you said it, elaborate. Where are the facts to back this up? Can one not argue that De La Hoya has proven his greatness? Can he not be mentioned among the elite? If not, then what do you say about his record? Are you saying the people he beat were nobodies? That he never beat a fighter who was consider great?
Oscar is the definition of a great fighter. If Boxing had more fighters like Oscar and less like Mayweather (backing out of boxing when they're on "top" instead of taking on the best), Boxing wouldn't be in it's current state. Nobody in the past 15 years of Boxing has defeated all the people De La Hoya has. And it's obviously true...
It's just my opinion, man. I've seen De La Hoya fight many times, and though I admit he's very good, I never saw anything spectacular from him, or anything to warrant his GOATesque status. He's a businessman, which also probably has a lot to do with how much fame and hype there is behind his name...When a better fighter, like Mayweather, is not even HALF as known as De La Hoya, what does that tell you?
Mayweather not being a bigger superstar is actually his fault more than anything. His mouth has got him in alot of trouble.
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^^But you know that there are boxers out there on his level who the majority of people haven't even heard of.
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^^But you know that there are boxers out there on his level who the majority of people haven't even heard of.
Yeah but in Floyd's case he has a laundry list of reason why he is not a bigger name. Saying he would not sign a slave wages contract with HBO because earlier in his career he thought he should be making Oscar money. Beating on his girlfriend and catching cases for that. Doing business with J Prince and not paying him properly. I can go on and on. Most boxers if you are not with a promoter named Don King, Goosen or Bob Arum, you will be overlooked that is why I am glad Oscar is doing promotion and pulling in Mosley and Hopkins to bring a different perspective on how to do business in boxing.
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Who is left for Mayweather to fight?
Why not fight Spinx? Why not move up and fight Taylor or Wright? There's people still out there.
It's just my opinion, man. I've seen De La Hoya fight many times, and though I admit he's very good, I never saw anything spectacular from him, or anything to warrant his GOATesque status. He's a businessman, which also probably has a lot to do with how much fame and hype there is behind his name...When a better fighter, like Mayweather, is not even HALF as known as De La Hoya, what does that tell you?
I understand it's your opinion, but could you back it up with facts? No. His beating the long list of great fighters isn't spectacular? I don't see how it's not. 30 KOs in 38 wins isn't spectacular? That's damn good considering the caliber of fighters he's fought.
To say Mayweather is a better fighter is debateable. Mayweather beat Oscar pretty much at the end of a long 15 year career. Had Mayweather fought Oscar in his prime it would've been a much different story. Mayweather did not dominate in anyway. So being the "better fighter" he barely pulled off the win. He's not half as known as De La Hoya because he doesn't really fight big names like Oscar did. What does that tell you?
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Who is left for Mayweather to fight?
Why not fight Spinx? Why not move up and fight Taylor or Wright? There's people still out there.
No one wants to see that fight. He turned down that fight to fight Oscar. Him moving up to middleweight may be a little bit too much weight for him. He is not carrying the punching power he had in the lower weight classes and he would have a hard time keeping Taylor or Wright off of him. Oscar did not look good at all at Middleweight. The only one that almost pulled that off was Trinidad.
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Who is left for Mayweather to fight?
Why not fight Spinx? Why not move up and fight Taylor or Wright? There's people still out there.
It's just my opinion, man. I've seen De La Hoya fight many times, and though I admit he's very good, I never saw anything spectacular from him, or anything to warrant his GOATesque status. He's a businessman, which also probably has a lot to do with how much fame and hype there is behind his name...When a better fighter, like Mayweather, is not even HALF as known as De La Hoya, what does that tell you?
I understand it's your opinion, but could you back it up with facts? No. His beating the long list of great fighters isn't spectacular? I don't see how it's not. 30 KOs in 38 wins isn't spectacular? That's damn good considering the caliber of fighters he's fought.
To say Mayweather is a better fighter is debateable. Mayweather beat Oscar pretty much at the end of a long 15 year career. Had Mayweather fought Oscar in his prime it would've been a much different story. Mayweather did not dominate in anyway. So being the "better fighter" he barely pulled off the win. He's not half as known as De La Hoya because he doesn't really fight big names like Oscar did. What does that tell you?
Oscar fought ALOT of guys on your list towards the end of their careers also. Floyd IMO never cleaned out his divisions when he would move up half the time. But he was chasing the money trail.
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Chavez, Camacho and Whittaker were towards the end of their ropes.. But most others were still in a good place in their career when Oscar beat them.
As for Mayweather, he still can fight Spinx... I don't see why he wouldn't. And why not move up to Middleweight? He's in good enough shape to do it. Why not move up and fight some lesser fighters for practice and then aim for the big names? Its not too far fetched... Of course if he's looking to challenge himself.
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Chavez, Camacho and Whittaker were towards the end of their ropes.. But most others were still in a good place in their career when Oscar beat them.
As for Mayweather, he still can fight Spinx... I don't see why he wouldn't. And why not move up to Middleweight? He's in good enough shape to do it. Why not move up and fight some lesser fighters for practice and then aim for the big names? Its not too far fetched... Of course if he's looking to challenge himself.
And Paez, Campos, Leija, Gatti, Camacho were fading also. I think early in his career he got these fights with older, fading fighters. And if Whittaker would not have clowned so much in that fight he would have beat Oscar. Floyd could fight Spinks and he would easily beat Spinks but at this point he just hit the jackpot. Who else can he fight today and make 10-15 million? Only Oscar. So yeah from a challenge standpoint the logical choice is to move up to middleweight but like I said I just don't think he can stick and move enough to keep those guys off of him. If I were Floyd I would wait it out a little bit and see what is out there. This fight was the biggest pay per view of all time so if Oscar wants a rematch, give it to him. If not retire or find another challenge. If he had the mentality of a Mosley or Trinidad he would move up and fight those guys, but Floyd is more focused on keeping that undefeated streak intact.
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I don't blame Oscar for fighting those guys early in his career, but most were a shell of their former self when he fought them. Chavez the same thing. I heard he would fight the same opponents 3 or 4 times that he already beat or get some bum at a bar to fight so I question his earlier fights, but later in his career he fought top level opponents and beat alot of them. So has Oscar from Quartey to the present.
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Who is left for Mayweather to fight?
Why not fight Spinx? Why not move up and fight Taylor or Wright? There's people still out there.
It's just my opinion, man. I've seen De La Hoya fight many times, and though I admit he's very good, I never saw anything spectacular from him, or anything to warrant his GOATesque status. He's a businessman, which also probably has a lot to do with how much fame and hype there is behind his name...When a better fighter, like Mayweather, is not even HALF as known as De La Hoya, what does that tell you?
I understand it's your opinion, but could you back it up with facts? No. His beating the long list of great fighters isn't spectacular? I don't see how it's not. 30 KOs in 38 wins isn't spectacular? That's damn good considering the caliber of fighters he's fought.
To say Mayweather is a better fighter is debateable. Mayweather beat Oscar pretty much at the end of a long 15 year career. Had Mayweather fought Oscar in his prime it would've been a much different story. Mayweather did not dominate in anyway. So being the "better fighter" he barely pulled off the win. He's not half as known as De La Hoya because he doesn't really fight big names like Oscar did. What does that tell you?
It tells me that despite the fact that there are UNDISPUTEDLY numerous boxers out there who have been better or on the level of De La Hoya, 0% of them get as much recognition as him. No matter how great you say Oscar is, that is the definition of overrated.
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I think Oscar has had a great career but GOAT status? I don't know about that. Sugar Ray Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, even what Trinidad accomplished, the list goes on and on. There are ALOT of hall of fame fighters but I really don't know if you put Oscar in the same breath as most of them.
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I just blanket statements. There's no facts showing that Oscars career wasn't as great as dudes like leonards or durans. No matter how many times someone says he's overrated they never have any proof beyond "there's people who are better."
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I just blanket statements. There's no facts showing that Oscars career wasn't as great as dudes like leonards or durans. No matter how many times someone says he's overrated they never have any proof beyond "there's people who are better."
I think fans and reporters overrate him. I don't think skills wise he is. I think like you said he is older and alot of these fighters like a Mosley or Mayweather can outpoint him. As to when he was younger you could not get away with that. But what he has accomplished in his career is definitely Hall Of Fame worthy.
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De La Hoya is the number *1 Boxing draw still..
MAYWEATEHR CAN NOT FILL A 2000 PEOPLE SEAT AUDITORUIM.
REAL..
BUT YO, bOXING IS DEAD, YEAH CAUSE THE BEST DON'T WANNA FIGHT.
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De La Hoya is the number *1 Boxing draw still..
MAYWEATEHR CAN NOT FILL A 2000 PEOPLE SEAT AUDITORUIM.
REAL..
BUT YO, bOXING IS DEAD, YEAH CAUSE THE BEST DON'T WANNA FIGHT.
Real Talk.
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Better entertainer does not equal better boxer.
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Yeah, but Oscar is still the main draw. Like Leonard or Tyson or others in their time. I think people hold on to the thought of him winning a title again but other than a few boxers out there, I just don't see him beating the some of the best right now. I think he could beat Cory Spinks but outside of him definitely not Jermain Taylor or Winky.
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De La Hoya is the number *1 Boxing draw still..
MAYWEATEHR CAN NOT FILL A 2000 PEOPLE SEAT AUDITORUIM.
REAL..
Which is why I say De La Hoya is overrated...LOL.
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De La Hoya is the number *1 Boxing draw still..
MAYWEATEHR CAN NOT FILL A 2000 PEOPLE SEAT AUDITORUIM.
REAL..
Which is why I say De La Hoya is overrated...LOL.
How does that prove anything?
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^^If they're on the same level...And De La Hoya can sell out an auditorium while Mayweather can't...HOW IS THAT NOT THE DEFINITION OF OVERRATED?
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^^If they're on the same level...And De La Hoya can sell out an auditorium while Mayweather can't...HOW IS THAT NOT THE DEFINITION OF OVERRATED?
Maybe Meyweather doesn't sell out, cus of who he fights, and his fighting style. He fights a bunch of nobodies, and proceeds to run the whole fight. And maybe that's a sign that they're not on the same level.
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^^If they're on the same level...And De La Hoya can sell out an auditorium while Mayweather can't...HOW IS THAT NOT THE DEFINITION OF OVERRATED?
Maybe Meyweather doesn't sell out, cus of who he fights, and his fighting style. He fights a bunch of nobodies, and proceeds to run the whole fight. And maybe that's a sign that they're not on the same level.
Yea, but it's not only Mayweather...Nobody can draw a crowd like Oscar nowadays. And that's not fair cuz he's not the best=overrated.
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Rating somebody should be based on pure skill, not popularity. Oscar is easily in the top 20 pound for pound boxers active right now, he's justly rated. Some people are just more likes than others, because of looks, charisma or whatever.
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^^He sells out because lots of people believe he's the current best.
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^^He sells out because lots of people believe he's the current best.
Maybe lots of people think that because it's true. Now I'm not saying that he's the best now or the best ever, but he is certainly up there, top 5 of his generation for sure. And ranks up there with the all time greatest. And this is all coming from someone who isn't that big of an Oscar fan. In fact most of the fights in which he "lost" I bet against him. I just call it how I see it. Not thinking he's the best is something but to say he's overrated is ludicrous.
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^^The only thing that's ludicrous is claiming that's it's ludicrous...Now, I'd understand thinking it's ludicrous to say he's overrated if he was barely promoted, not on top of everything, not the most sought after name in boxing, etc.. I can understand that being ludicrous...But not with how big his name is currently compared to other boxers in his league...PeACe
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Care to name those so called boxers in his league?
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Reasons why Oscar De La Hoya is popular
-He's a chicano, and latinos in general just absolutely love their fighters
-He's good looking. His female fan base is huge
-He can give a good interview in both English and Spanish
If he didn't have any of that, he would still be a top pound for pound boxer today. Now if he was like ranked 30 to 50th, and didn't have many belts on him then maybe he can be seen as overrated.
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That welterweight class back then was stacked. Trinidad, De La Hoya, Mosley, Forrest, Quartey and a few more. Most of those guys retired or are on their way out. But no doubt Oscar did his thing. 2 very close losses to Mosley, a close one to Floyd, in waaay over his head with Hopkins and basically a win against Trinidad even though he got on his bicycle in that fight, he still won it. For me only 2 questionable wins with Strum and Quartey but the man has won titles in multiple weight classes, is doing promotion and has done it with class. So he has done alot for the sport.
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ESPN just posted their 50 greatest boxers of all time. Interesting list
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/index
Oscar #39 on the list
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^Yo I think all those GOAT lists suck too much old man cock, ya dig
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^Yo I think all those GOAT lists suck too much old man cock, ya dig
Well they covered quite a few decades on there. A great fighter is not just ones we remember. It's like saying Shaq is the greatest center of all time and not knowing about Wilt or Bill Russell. And to be honest in the last 10-15 years there have been some great boxers that have had great careers. I felt like they were represented on the list.
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^Yo I think all those GOAT lists suck too much old man cock, ya dig
Well they covered quite a few decades on there. A great fighter is not just ones we remember. It's like saying Shaq is the greatest center of all time and not knowing about Wilt or Bill Russell. And to be honest in the last 10-15 years there have been some great boxers that have had great careers. I felt like they were represented on the list.
I'm far from someboy who really knows boxing, but knowing how Mayweather has been the champion in 5 different leagues and has never lost a fight and shit, it just sounds funny to me that he is near the very bottom of the list. Also, Oscar de la Hoya being as popular as he is only at #39 is funny, and I really don't see (m)any European fighters on there, which is also funny. Everybody knows a mediocore boxer from today would smack a boxer from 1910 into retardation. Whatever, maybe I'm just not a GOAT-poll/list person.