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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: The_Urban_Legend on May 13, 2007, 05:45:25 AM
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I think we can all agree that dre's productions recently have'nt been up to scratch. This might sound stupid, but we have come to expect a certain standard from every dre track which he has'nt been delivering imo, for every say 5 or 6 recent dre productions only one is kind of decent. has dre fell off??
Some of his last productions have been:
Drop it (heard it once and probably wont listen to it again)
Get Low (Took a while but has grown on me)
Here We Go (Very weak beat imo, and too much like Get Low)
Hold On (Young buck fuckin stabbed a guy for him and this was the best he could give him?)
Murder Dem Murders (At 1st i loved it but nothing really happens with the beat, it's a little too simple and repeadative)
Boss's Life (I really like this track, but ive gotten really sick of it)
Imagine (His best work in recent times imo)
Straight to the bank (Loved it.....then i found out it was'nt dre, which did'nt suprise me)
what do yall think of his recent work, do you think he is saving the best for detox?
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yeh been weak lately.. maybe we do expect a little to much from him, but he coulda done better with a few beats.. the beat for pap's song is shit.. might grow on me but i duno.. is it CDQ, coz it doesnt sound like it? but his best of the late is Imagine or Round Here imo.
Stats new one is alright.. i tihnk it will probly be a hit for a while.. but none of the 'In Da Club' success, no way.
and with Detox.. i dont even know what to expect anymore.. im just gonna take it as it comes (when ever that may be) and hope that its some ground breaking shit that we're all wanting. And if its not.. A LOT of people will be disappointed.
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I must say that I really dig Here We Go, Murder Dem Murderers is average/alright.Still can't judge that Pap/Busta track.Rest of the beats thread starter talks about are good to me.They may be quite weak for Dre standarts but still good.DK, that's just my opinion
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Drop it - have yet to hear it...
Get Low - thought beat was dope, banged on a system/in a club
Here We Go - didnt like it at first, put it on a cd and bumped it on my cd player, sounded great.
Hold On - haven't really listened to it much...
Murder Dem Murders - same as above, put it on a cd yesterday...
Boss's Life - dope, but got a lil bored of it.
Imagine - agree
Straight to the bank - same, loved it.
what i think it is, is that everyone sees the name Dr. Dre and expects something major, so they are always let down regardless of whether the beat is dope or "not to dre's standards". my thoughts anyways...
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Although I am not the biggest Dre fan, but I think he gets too much hate now. I actually like the beats on TBC, they're nothing special, but still the best beats on Snoop's album IMO.
Althoughthe beats he gave to Jigga were pretty weak for me.
I don't like the direction he has followed since 2001, I never felt songs like "In da Club". So I can't say that his recent productions have been weak, people just have too high expectations.
what do yall think of his recent work, do you think he is saving the best for detox?
I think the beats we got to hear now is the rest from his 2002-2007 era, I am pretty sure that he comes on Detox with a brand new sound. My only fear is that Detox won't be "west" and
I doubt that Dre will get back to his musical roots. But I don't doubt that his new alum will be a great success with more innovative productions.
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the biggest thing is that they don't seem to have the same replay value to me, they seem hot for a while but then I get tired of them real quick for example Boss Life which I can't really listen to anymore, I look at the 3 beats he did for BCT and compare them with the 3 he did for Last Meal and there is no comparison, I'm still bumping Hen And Buddah 7 years later and still sounds as fresh and dope as when I first heard it
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All those beats you listed are still far above average in my opinion. They may not be on "2001"-level, but they're still very decent.
I like to think - and I hope I'm right - that Dre has given these so-called 'mediocre' beats to Snoop/Jay/ and them on purpose, just so that he'll be able to surprise the hell out of us with a new/amazing sound on Detox.
Would be a nice strategy in my opinion. On the other hand, giving 'leftover'-beats to guys like Snoop and Jay while probably charging them like a mofo' is not very cool in my book, but then again...they both can afford it.
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It's 97-98 all over again, Dre beats are average, a lot sound unfinished... Dre needs to work with Storch on the keys and Elizondo on the bass again if u ask me.. I really don't know what to expect from Detox (doubt it's coming out anyways) but I haven't had the "damn, that's a crazy beat" reaction when I heard a new Dre beat, for a long long time...
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Hold On (Young buck fuckin stabbed a guy for him and this was the best he could give him?)
lmfao.. but on topic boss life is dope the others are mehh.
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the biggest thing is that they don't seem to have the same replay value to me, they seem hot for a while but then I get tired of them real quick for example Boss Life which I can't really listen to anymore, I look at the 3 beats he did for BCT and compare them with the 3 he did for Last Meal and there is no comparison, I'm still bumping Hen And Buddah 7 years later and still sounds as fresh and dope as when I first heard it
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Thats true.
I bump Last Meal Alot, those beats on LSM, were uber smooth, just as you mentioned!!
I'm sure what direction Dre is on right now..but i'm gon stay tuned to see where all this will lead!
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I think 'Detox' will disappoint :(
Though I hope it won't! I love Chronic and 2001
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Maybe that's why "Detox" is pushed back again. Maybe Dre already had sum tracks produced for Detox in the "Imagine"/"Boss Life" style.
But then he heard alotta people thought these beats were kinda average/wack. So now he has to come up with a new sound again.
But that's a good thing cuz I rather wait anotha year and get an album with a sick new sound than get an album with average tracks like "Trouble", "Imagine" and "Boss Life".
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I think 'Detox' will disappoint :(
Though I hope it won't! I love Chronic and 2001
yeah.. but that's why I think it'll never come out... Dre won't release an album which can't be on the same level as his first 2...
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I thought most of them were good. A lot of the beats sound like something you'd find on soundtracks so i dont know if Dres getting used to making soundtrack beats.
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They sound boring, all hip-hop has started to sound boring to me. :'(
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pretty weak imo.
Get Low was the best one, i love that song.
Hold On is pretty good, but sometimes can be a little annoying.
Hate here we go
imagine is amazing, hands down his best recent work
haven't heard murder dem murders
boss' life is pretty good, nothing special though
haven't heard drop it (who's song is that?)
I thought straight to the bank was co-produced by dre or something? that beat is sick, but wack song
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Its still funny that even his leftover beats are better than a lot of production out right now. To me Dres been giving Detox leftovers, experiments, unfinished tracks ever since 03 and since GRODT. I remember back then reading an MTV interview, where he said hes gonna concentrate on his label and start giving Detox beats to his artists. To me, since 03 theres only been these beats that were Detox worthy and had that "omg" efect to it:
In Da Club
Heat
If I Cant
Back Down
Oh
Shit Hits The Fan
Look In My Eyes
Poppin Them Thangs
G'd Up
How We Do
Higher
Outta Control
Outta Control remix
Get You Some
Been Through The Storm (altough co-produced)
Dont Get Carried Away
Straight To The Bank (altough co-produced)
Like Wcsoldier said, he need to hook up with Elizondo, Storch and I'd add Mel Man too. Fuck the rest, work with those 3. Because while Dres drums are amazing latley, the melody, bassline are very weak.
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^^^^ all these are dope.. I think the threadstarter talks about the 06-early 07 Dre beats.. but call me crazy the beats you mentioned (outside a few ones) as dope as they are, aren't Detox materials coz they 're not that much different from 2001 sound
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the outta control remix beat is sick.
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Because while Dres drums are amazing latley, the melody, bassline are very weak.
Arh come on! That snare from "Get You Some" is so wack imo, and he is using it on alot of his new beats.. as far as i remember..
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Yeah it's been below par, I don't find it as bad as many people here do though
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Its still funny that even his leftover beats are better than a lot of production out right now. To me Dres been giving Detox leftovers, experiments, unfinished tracks ever since 03 and since GRODT. I remember back then reading an MTV interview, where he said hes gonna concentrate on his label and start giving Detox beats to his artists. To me, since 03 theres only been these beats that were Detox worthy and had that "omg" efect to it:
co-sign, that's what I wanted to say
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Straight to the bank (Loved it.....then i found out it was'nt dre, which did'nt suprise me)
lol
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Because while Dres drums are amazing latley, the melody, bassline are very weak.
Arh come on! That snare from "Get You Some" is so wack imo, and he is using it on alot of his new beats.. as far as i remember..
Yeah his drums have been horrible for a while, they're loud and crisp clear but are boring as fuck, there's no variation.
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it made me realize that if it wasnt for scott storch playing all the keys on dr dre 2001...... that album wouldnt be a classic
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it made me realize that if it wasnt for scott storch playing all the keys on dr dre 2001...... that album wouldnt be a classic
But Scott Storch without Dre is also not the best, his recent work shows you that
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I think the vast majority of Dre's beats the last couple years have been very boring and uninspired. Kinda feels like he's just going through the motions. I don't think he's fallen off per se, bu I think its a combo of several things: I think Interscope has stifled him creatively - a lot of his singles that he's produced have been very generic, mostly trying to recreate any post GRODT success. I think the artists signed to Aftermath have either DRASTICALLY fallen off (50 & Em) or are uninspiring as MC's (Bishop & Stat Quo are boring, imo). The whole Game situation prolly took a toll. Interscope COMPLETELY fucked up Busta's album - they finally get Busta on Dre's label and then release singles produced by Swizz Beats & Will I Am? Monumental fuck up in my opinion.
The last body of work that I REALLY felt from Dre was what he did on Obie Trice's debut album. Incredible production, really took shit to the next level. I believe that the beats on that album were what the original incarnation of Detox was gonna be. But because that album didn't completely shut shit down like a Snoop / Em / 50 major label debut, I think Dre aborted that sound. (And it didn't blow as big as those because Obie lacked much charisma and didn't bring much to the table as an artist). Dre shouldn't have invested so much into that project.
So now, maybe Dre's confidence isn't as high, maybe he's just bored, or maybe he's just spreading himself too thin. Whatever it is, it's impacting his music.
When 2001 was coming out, and lots of people counted Dre out, I never did because he was still innovative and consistently dropping heat on the side. That hasn't been the case lately for him (for the most part). I also have the feeling that Detox is gonna be a disappointment.
Having said all that, maybe Dre is still doing some crazy experimental shit that he's got a ridiculously tight lid on and he'll completely blow us all away. I hope that's what happens, but I'm not willing to bet on it.
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I think the vast majority of Dre's beats the last couple years have been very boring and uninspired. Kinda feels like he's just going through the motions. I don't think he's fallen off per se, bu I think its a combo of several things: I think Interscope has stifled him creatively - a lot of his singles that he's produced have been very generic, mostly trying to recreate any post GRODT success. I think the artists signed to Aftermath have either DRASTICALLY fallen off (50 & Em) or are uninspiring as MC's (Bishop & Stat Quo are boring, imo). The whole Game situation prolly took a toll. Interscope COMPLETELY fucked up Busta's album - they finally get Busta on Dre's label and then release singles produced by Swizz Beats & Will I Am? Monumental fuck up in my opinion.
The last body of work that I REALLY felt from Dre was what he did on Obie Trice's debut album. Incredible production, really took shit to the next level. I believe that the beats on that album were what the original incarnation of Detox was gonna be. But because that album didn't completely shut shit down like a Snoop / Em / 50 major label debut, I think Dre aborted that sound. (And it didn't blow as big as those because Obie lacked much charisma and didn't bring much to the table as an artist). Dre shouldn't have invested so much into that project.
So now, maybe Dre's confidence isn't as high, maybe he's just bored, or maybe he's just spreading himself too thin. Whatever it is, it's impacting his music.
When 2001 was coming out, and lots of people counted Dre out, I never did because he was still innovative and consistently dropping heat on the side. That hasn't been the case lately for him (for the most part). I also have the feeling that Detox is gonna be a disappointment.
Having said all that, maybe Dre is still doing some crazy experimental shit that he's got a ridiculously tight lid on and he'll completely blow us all away. I hope that's what happens, but I'm not willing to bet on it.
That there is truth....Dre has not fallen off to a point there aint no coming back, you cannot say that with a cat of dres calibre....BUT as all the points above mention, his been slippin last 2 years no doubt....
Oh and about the work he did on obies debut, that shit was amazing and wasted on obie....i do not think he completely abandoned the sound himself off the fact it did not blow obie up as much as he would have liked (got some teeth anyone?).....but more to do with the fact that was the time when dre/melman was having problems and dres musical team felt they were not gettin there props....that was the time alot of the cats who worked with dre to get the sound on obies album left...so since then he has not been able to really re-create that sound with the new cats his got....mike elizondo seems played out now....dre gets the best out of storch but they too big now to work as a team maybe...that mark batson cat does not do amazing shit so far....
I am not saying dre's work is great because of other people, cuz all these niggaz i mentioned aint shit without dre....apart from storch, who was truely gifted with the keys...but even he aint as good without dre as he is with dre....i'm just saying dre is inspired when he feels he got people around him who will give him energy and make him develop a new sound from which dre is still the main point of....BUT right now I do not feel dre has that energy in regards to the team he working with in the studio on a daily basis or the cats he producing for.....I think the Game situation took alot out of dre cuz we all know dre was really diggin games shit.
I hope I am wrong though and that dre is saving some crazy shit for his own album....after all his in the studio soo much and within all these years, we all know he kept some shit for himself which he felt was 'unshareable'
I have no doubt at all in my mind detox will be bangin top to bottom....I do however have much doubt whether it will top 2001
pz
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I don't think the beats on Game's album were exactly groundbreaking, but they were definitely dope and most people were on em hard when they dropped.
As far as Dre's beats not being up to par since 2001, and for Detox being a classic automatically, I don't know what my opinion is yet. However....I have a feeling that if Detox is classic, and at the level of Chronic and/or 2001, he can happily retire.....but because of the fact that he's lost a lotta buzz, and the world isn't as hyped about hearing Dre + Snoop/Em/50...he BETTER come with it...and if he doesn't, I feel that he will try to redeem himself by putting another album out within 2-3 years afterwards, if not sooner.
Everybody has been saying the same thing....before Chronic, people wondered if he would make anything half as good as he did with NWA, and he did...then before 2001, the West was against him, and people said he had fallen off...but he came with it. So now, they are all saying that his last few years have been average, but they know for fact that he's gonna do something major for Detox. Well I don't really know what to expect at this point...because rumors have said that basically every beat that was once for Detox has been used for someone else's album, and since 2001, I can't really think of 16-20 beats that would have possibly made a classic Detox...I could definitely find enough to make a great album, but not for something at that level.
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First off i dont think dre gets good shit out of dwayne parker and mark batson he needs to work with mel man scott storch and mike elizondo and sean curse. His drums have been average recently he doesnt come off with those hard ass snares anymore hes using that weak ass snareclap with a reverb which sounds cheap as fuck. his drums from the topp dogg cd were hard drums on 2001 were hard drums on documentary and get rich or die tryin were hard even on hustlers they were good but all his recent beats have been average recentley he needs to step up and stick with the original formula which is Storch Elizondo or Mel Man.