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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Halu Sination on May 23, 2007, 11:32:03 PM
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gasol would fit in the triangle offense very comfortably based off his style of play. and he's one of the most reliable low-post scorers in the league. of course, i'm assuming he still wants to leave that team. i haven't really paid attention to them so i haven't kept up with their news
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I think we have a good shot at Gasol... call me crazy but I'd take Gasol over J.Oneal.. Gasol has always proved he's a good scorer in the West, a good shot blocker. Oneal is only better in 1 on 1 D...
Get Gasol, a good point guard, a good vet (I'd like to have G.Hill if he doesn't retire) and we're are contenders.. imo we are 3 pieces away ( people who think an all star will be enough are in denial) to contend AND Team Defense... that makes a lot.. we'll see
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I think we have a good shot at Gasol... call me crazy but I'd take Gasol over J.Oneal..
nah i agree completely. now the lakers aint exactly in a position to be picky here, i wouldnt mind gettin either one. o'neal is a better defensive player, gasol is the better passer and more reliable low-post scorer. but JO just doesn't seem like the quickest of learners. its questionable how effective he could be with our offensive plays
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and to copy wut a homie said at another forum:
Pau Gasol would be a perfect fit in the triangle offense, he's got much better passing skills than Jermaine has and that's a key in the triangle out of a post player.
He is also two years younger and is due 63 million over the next four years, Jermaine is due 64 million over the next three.
Over the last six years, Gasol has missed 55 games. Over the same period, Jermaine has missed 101.
Even with Gasol missing significant time in two of the last three years, he's played in 195 games to Jermaine's 164 over that span, even throwing out Jermaine's 15 game suspension in 04-05, Gasol would still average five more games played per year over the last three years.
While I think Jermaine is a better overall player than Gasol, I would rather have Gasol for four reasons:
1. He would fit the triangle offense better.
2. He's younger.
3. He makes less money.
4. He isn't as injury-prone.
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yep.. anyways Oneal doesn't play THAT much on the low post.. taking fade away or 15 footers facing up the basket aren't effective.. you can't say Jermaine shots selection is very good... plus as I said before Oneal did that in the East when Gasol plays in the West, basically making it on his own. Gasol is the best choice (coz Kevin "I like to lose" Garnett isn't on the trade block anyways)
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well gasol's spanish, that's a plus over here for him ,lol
tell you the truth i'd rather have gasol over here as well. he's more of a team player, not a very big ego, definately a world class player. so i think he'd be the role player everyone on the team would learn from, kobe could be just expected to be the hired big gun. out to score the shit out of teams.
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^ haha, aint that the truth.
yep.. anyways Oneal doesn't play THAT much on the low post.. taking fade away or 15 footers facing up the basket aren't effective.. you can't say Jermaine shots selection is very good... plus as I said before Oneal did that in the East when Gasol plays in the West, basically making it on his own. Gasol is the best choice (coz Kevin "I like to lose" Garnett isn't on the trade block anyways)
agreed, i would take KG over either of them, but we cant be unrealistic anymore. garnett just doesnt have it in him to request for a trade.
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that's cuz garnett is a pussy.
but i got to admit that'd be a plus over here as well. HOWEVER what we're asking of garnett, odom could do for us for many more years . so i don't like that option of trading odom for garnett. which is ultimately what we'd have to do to get him. If we got him without trading for odom , that would be tremendous. But i'd like to think Kevin McHale really isn't that dumb. but if he is, hey bring him on. i can see him and Odom being a scary front court.
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^^^^ the only way we can get Garnett is if he asks for a trade AND to be traded to LA... that's very unlikely... anyways being a die hard Lakers fan, I want to believe we have a bright future.. but honestly when I look at the situation , I really don't see how we can contend for a title soon.. regarding the salary cap situation , without mentioning what's going on between Phil/Jim Buss ect... :-\
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well, if KG DOES ask to be moved, i think LA would be one of his choices (chicago being another one). that being said, i still dont think he's ever going to be decisive enough to demand a trade.
as for title contention, many analysts (even includin some kobe haters) have been saying that lakers are just a key-piece away, and as long as they go for trades now and DONT wait for players to develop (and essentially wasting kobe's prime), they'll be fine. only time can really tell tho...
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^^^^ Even if you have a 1-2 punch, solid role players are needed.. people underrate the impact of role players.. in the Kobe-Shaq era, Fox, Fisher, Horry were important factors to win these titles.. when they didn't deliver, we didn't win. Nowadays, the NBA is weaker so a team on this level isn't needed to win but I still think we need one or two more role players who can be solid when it counts..
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^ oh theres no doubt about that. we have farmar and turiaf, but aside from them, it seemed like we've overrated our own team depth. throughout the playoffs, i cringed wenever i saw both kobe and odom sit on the bench at the same time.
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I think people are forgetting how good we were to start the season before all the injuries piled up. You guys really think we're that far from being contenders in this WEAKASS league? LMAO. take a look at the conference finals. We coulda' beat any of those teams with no problem in January (before the injury plague)... just imagine what happens with one year of extra experience and some key adjustments made in the offseason...I can't stand pessimistic doubters with no faith.
Keep Bynum. Only trade for Gasol if you can get him in a steal (Kwame+VladRad+19th Pick). I'd even ship Luke over in a sign-and-trade. I doubt that'll happen, so lets just build on what we have...
PG Mo Williams (MLE)...Jordan Farmar/Jason Hart (vets min)
SG Kobe Bryant...Maurice Evans/Sasha Vujacic
SF Luke Walton...Vladimir Radmanovic/Brian Cook
PF Lamar Odom...PJ Brown (vets min)/Ronny Turiaf
C Kwame Brown...Andrew Bynum/19th Draft Pick
Coach: Phil Jackson
How far is that team really away from being contenders? I wouldn't say far at all...And those are all very realistic options. Take into account an extra year of experience for Bynum, Turiaf, Luke, Radman, Farmar, Kwame, Sasha, Evans, etc.... so they'll all be better. And all those injuries we've dealt with will be healed...Keep your head up, Laker fans, we're not in bad shape...PeACe
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^^^^ it ain't about pessimistic.. I always think my team can win, said we have a shot at beating the Suns.. now it's obvious something lacks to get to the next level... I'm not gonna repeat what I think.. we'll see the results
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^^^^ it ain't about pessimistic.. I always think my team can win, said we have a shot at beating the Suns.. now it's obvious something lacks to get to the next level... I'm not gonna repeat what I think.. we'll see the results
Yea, something lacks...A reliable point guard to run plays for us and luck with injuries. Those have been the two concerns this season. Address it, and you have a contender. We opened the season thinking we can win the division. We opened the season beating the Suns without Kobe. What makes it so different for this season? The only difference I see is that we're gunna be trying harder to improve our roster/staff than in the previous off-seasons. Mitch is looking to make a move that will address the needs. And if we were so optimistic going into '06-'07, what the hell is stopping the optimism with ANOTHER valuable year of experience together? Healthy Kobe, healthy Odom, healthy Phil. Those are the main needs. Surround that with role players who know how to play their role, and that spells E-L-I-T-E...PeACe
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^ and wut happens wen we end up not signing any free agent point guards? we lose another season, yet gain another valuable learning experience?
like i already said, we're a missing piece away from true title contention. but we gotta be more realistic here. kobe said it best: lakers need to win championships, not have itty bitty growth seasons. and the fact that kobe himself doesnt even think this current squad is going anywhere and demanded that the front office make some moves speaks volumes in itself.
now if the grizzlies are down to give us gasol for walton + scrub contracts, then i say go for it. but if memphis is gonna trade the only player worth a damn on their team, that pretty much confirms they'd be going into the rebuilding stage, so im guessing they'll be looking for a certain young center...
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now if the grizzlies are down to give us gasol for walton + scrub contracts, then i say go for it. but if memphis is gonna trade the only player worth a damn on their team, that pretty much confirms they'd be going into the rebuilding stage, so im guessing they'll be looking for a certain young center...
Nah, what you forget is how everything is always about the Lakers. Everybody wants them to do good and puts his team's interest willingly behind theirs. You can tell any GM would give up his franchise player for crap like Kwame + Vujacic.
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I think people are forgetting how good we were to start the season before all the injuries piled up.
that was in january, we're in may, where there is a lot more on the line. an aged and experienced team isn't going to take the lakers as seriously in the month of january as they would in april/may. the regualr and post season are two different seasons. the only experienced playoff player we have on that team is kobe. the spurs' are chalk full of experienced players. as far as the jazz are concerned, they got lucky, they shouldn't be in the conf. finals this year, they got lucky because of the bad contingency of the GSW and the mavericks. give the mavericks the clippers and it's the mavs vs the spurs right now. period. the lakers would not beat a more experienced mavs team. i'll even go out and say they wouldn't even beat the jazz. too much talent on the jazz. boozer , okur, FISHER, williams and AK47 >>is a lot more powerful than kobe+odom . like i said the only team the lakers would have realistically beaten is the warriors.
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and to quote another homie
It's pretty damn inconsiderate of the Lakers' management if they were to go to their franchise player and say "Hey, I know you're in the prime of your career now and currently the best basketball player in the world, but just wait for 3-5 years, our talent will develop into superstars!" To hell with that.
And while Bynum may or may not develop into a dominant center, there is no "may or may not" when it comes to what they could expect from Kobe right now. Matter of fact, he seems pretty frustrated when it comes to the "mays or may nots" of the team, and all they've succeeded in doing is testing his and Phil Jackson's patience. Which could explain why neither of them is too fond of Bynum in the first place.
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^ and wut happens wen we end up not signing any free agent point guards?
Wont happen.
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now if the grizzlies are down to give us gasol for walton + scrub contracts, then i say go for it. but if memphis is gonna trade the only player worth a damn on their team, that pretty much confirms they'd be going into the rebuilding stage, so im guessing they'll be looking for a certain young center...
Nah, what you forget is how everything is always about the Lakers. Everybody wants them to do good and puts his team's interest willingly behind theirs. You can tell any GM would give up his franchise player for crap like Kwame + Vujacic.
Yea, because superstars have never been traded for role players + picks + expiring contracts. ::)
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I think people are forgetting how good we were to start the season before all the injuries piled up.
that was in january, we're in may, where there is a lot more on the line. an aged and experienced team isn't going to take the lakers as seriously in the month of january as they would in april/may. the regualr and post season are two different seasons. the only experienced playoff player we have on that team is kobe. the spurs' are chalk full of experienced players. as far as the jazz are concerned, they got lucky, they shouldn't be in the conf. finals this year, they got lucky because of the bad contingency of the GSW and the mavericks. give the mavericks the clippers and it's the mavs vs the spurs right now. period. the lakers would not beat a more experienced mavs team. i'll even go out and say they wouldn't even beat the jazz. too much talent on the jazz. boozer , okur, FISHER, williams and AK47 >>is a lot more powerful than kobe+odom . like i said the only team the lakers would have realistically beaten is the warriors.
Utah is so aged and experienced, huh? LOL...Say what you want, but Lakers were a different team playing a different game in May than they were in January, and you're insane if you say it's entirely their faults...PeACe
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i would argue that a 7-game series against the jazz could have gone either way. pistons... not so much.
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I think people are forgetting how good we were to start the season before all the injuries piled up.
that was in january, we're in may, where there is a lot more on the line. an aged and experienced team isn't going to take the lakers as seriously in the month of january as they would in april/may. the regualr and post season are two different seasons. the only experienced playoff player we have on that team is kobe. the spurs' are chalk full of experienced players. as far as the jazz are concerned, they got lucky, they shouldn't be in the conf. finals this year, they got lucky because of the bad contingency of the GSW and the mavericks. give the mavericks the clippers and it's the mavs vs the spurs right now. period. the lakers would not beat a more experienced mavs team. i'll even go out and say they wouldn't even beat the jazz. too much talent on the jazz. boozer , okur, FISHER, williams and AK47 >>is a lot more powerful than kobe+odom . like i said the only team the lakers would have realistically beaten is the warriors.
Utah is so aged and experienced, huh? LOL...Say what you want, but Lakers were a different team playing a different game in May than they were in January, and you're insane if you say it's entirely their faults...PeACe
i never said utah was aged and experienced. i said they were lucky to be that far in the playoffs. but with that said they're still a better team than the lakers and would have beaten them in a 7 game series.
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I think people are forgetting how good we were to start the season before all the injuries piled up.
that was in january, we're in may, where there is a lot more on the line. an aged and experienced team isn't going to take the lakers as seriously in the month of january as they would in april/may. the regualr and post season are two different seasons. the only experienced playoff player we have on that team is kobe. the spurs' are chalk full of experienced players. as far as the jazz are concerned, they got lucky, they shouldn't be in the conf. finals this year, they got lucky because of the bad contingency of the GSW and the mavericks. give the mavericks the clippers and it's the mavs vs the spurs right now. period. the lakers would not beat a more experienced mavs team. i'll even go out and say they wouldn't even beat the jazz. too much talent on the jazz. boozer , okur, FISHER, williams and AK47 >>is a lot more powerful than kobe+odom . like i said the only team the lakers would have realistically beaten is the warriors.
Utah is so aged and experienced, huh? LOL...Say what you want, but Lakers were a different team playing a different game in May than they were in January, and you're insane if you say it's entirely their faults...PeACe
i never said utah was aged and experienced. i said they were lucky to be that far in the playoffs. but with that said they're still a better team than the lakers and would have beaten them in a 7 game series.
I disagree...And if you think they'd beat a HEALTHY Laker team in 7, that's crazy.
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^ and wut happens wen we end up not signing any free agent point guards?
Wont happen.
and if it does?
regardless, its not likely bynum is going to be pushed to the next level and develop faster just because phil jackson and kobe are growing impatient. and we cant settle for this "o shit, we beat them in the regular season so we must be able to beat them in the playoffs" squad forever. its true that we were cursed with injuries (something that i constantly had to remind every laker-hating/bandwagoning faggot i kno), but we werent exactly a pistons/spurs-calibur team either, despite our very strong start in the season.
if we can acquire another star post-player while keeping odom, then we are fuckin blessed, especially since we're in the western conference. and i guarantee you thats exactly wut kobe wants.
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^ and wut happens wen we end up not signing any free agent point guards?
Wont happen.
and if it does?
regardless, its not likely bynum is going to be pushed to the next level and develop faster just because phil jackson and kobe are growing impatient. and we cant settle for this "o shit, we beat them in the regular season so we must be able to beat them in the playoffs" squad forever. its true that we were cursed with injuries (something that i constantly had to remind every laker-hating/bandwagoning faggot i kno), but we werent exactly a pistons/spurs-calibur team either, despite our very strong start in the season.
if we can acquire another star post-player while keeping odom, then we are fuckin blessed, especially since we're in the western conference. and i guarantee you thats exactly wut kobe wants.
The management is retarded if they don't go for a reliable PG with the MLE. I promise there will be a new starting PG in LA and I guarantee a much better season in '07-'08...PeACe
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The management is retarded if they don't go for a reliable PG with the MLE.
My dream is still Billups. I know it won't happens, but a man can dream..
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The management is retarded if they don't go for a reliable PG with the MLE.
My dream is still Billups. I know it won't happens, but a man can dream..
word, i will donate all of my money to church if billups comes to la
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Kobe's demanding that trades be made. He obviously doesn't feel his supporting staff is good enough to cut it.
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Kobe's demanding that trades be made. He obviously doesn't feel his supporting staff is good enough to cut it.
He never demanded trades be made, he demnaded the front office put together a contender.. IE valid point guard, veteran contributor, supporting role players that constantly step up in crucial moments...Of course we need to make moves this offseason. Kobe just pointed out the obvious.
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ive said it before and ill say it again get rid of Bynum only if you can get Gasol,Garnett,or Oneal.Im pretty sure the pistons are going to resign Billups but he would fit in perfect with the lakers.
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^ and wut happens wen we end up not signing any free agent point guards?
Wont happen.
and if it does?
regardless, its not likely bynum is going to be pushed to the next level and develop faster just because phil jackson and kobe are growing impatient. and we cant settle for this "o shit, we beat them in the regular season so we must be able to beat them in the playoffs" squad forever. its true that we were cursed with injuries (something that i constantly had to remind every laker-hating/bandwagoning faggot i kno), but we werent exactly a pistons/spurs-calibur team either, despite our very strong start in the season.
if we can acquire another star post-player while keeping odom, then we are fuckin blessed, especially since we're in the western conference. and i guarantee you thats exactly wut kobe wants.
The management is retarded if they don't go for a reliable PG with the MLE. I promise there will be a new starting PG in LA and I guarantee a much better season in '07-'08...PeACe
so by your judging, 2nd round team... we need a huge impact. Building is good, but Kobe will be 29 next year, it's time to make a splash.
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S^ and wut happens wen we end up not signing any free agent point guards?
Wont happen.
and if it does?
regardless, its not likely bynum is going to be pushed to the next level and develop faster just because phil jackson and kobe are growing impatient. and we cant settle for this "o shit, we beat them in the regular season so we must be able to beat them in the playoffs" squad forever. its true that we were cursed with injuries (something that i constantly had to remind every laker-hating/bandwagoning faggot i kno), but we werent exactly a pistons/spurs-calibur team either, despite our very strong start in the season.
if we can acquire another star post-player while keeping odom, then we are fuckin blessed, especially since we're in the western conference. and i guarantee you thats exactly wut kobe wants.
The management is retarded if they don't go for a reliable PG with the MLE. I promise there will be a new starting PG in LA and I guarantee a much better season in '07-'08...PeACe
so by your judging, 2nd round team... we need a huge impact. Building is good, but Kobe will be 29 next year, it's time to make a splash.
PG Mo Williams/Jordan Farmar
SG Kobe Bryant/Mo Evans (healed)
SF Luke Walton (healed)/Vladimir Radmanovic (healed)
PF Lamar Odom (healed)/Ronny Turiaf (healed)
C Kwame Brown (healed)/Andrew Bynum
Add an extra year of valuable triangle experience to players like Farmar, Bynum, Evans, VladRad, Kwame, Turiaf, and even Luke & Odom, and you what does that spell?
S-P-L-A-S-H!
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I think people are forgetting how good we were to start the season before all the injuries piled up. You guys really think we're that far from being contenders in this WEAKASS league? LMAO. take a look at the conference finals. We coulda' beat any of those teams with no problem in January (before the injury plague)... just imagine what happens with one year of extra experience and some key adjustments made in the offseason...I can't stand pessimistic doubters with no faith.
Keep Bynum. Only trade for Gasol if you can get him in a steal (Kwame+VladRad+19th Pick). I'd even ship Luke over in a sign-and-trade. I doubt that'll happen, so lets just build on what we have...
PG Mo Williams (MLE)...Jordan Farmar/Jason Hart (vets min)
SG Kobe Bryant...Maurice Evans/Sasha Vujacic
SF Luke Walton...Vladimir Radmanovic/Brian Cook
PF Lamar Odom...PJ Brown (vets min)/Ronny Turiaf
C Kwame Brown...Andrew Bynum/19th Draft Pick
Coach: Phil Jackson
How far is that team really away from being contenders? I wouldn't say far at all...And those are all very realistic options. Take into account an extra year of experience for Bynum, Turiaf, Luke, Radman, Farmar, Kwame, Sasha, Evans, etc.... so they'll all be better. And all those injuries we've dealt with will be healed...Keep your head up, Laker fans, we're not in bad shape...PeACe
Are you related to Jerry Buss or Mitch Kupchak? You really want to keep damn near the exact same team that got knocked out in the first round 2 straight years?
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I think people are forgetting how good we were to start the season before all the injuries piled up. You guys really think we're that far from being contenders in this WEAKASS league? LMAO. take a look at the conference finals. We coulda' beat any of those teams with no problem in January (before the injury plague)... just imagine what happens with one year of extra experience and some key adjustments made in the offseason...I can't stand pessimistic doubters with no faith.
Keep Bynum. Only trade for Gasol if you can get him in a steal (Kwame+VladRad+19th Pick). I'd even ship Luke over in a sign-and-trade. I doubt that'll happen, so lets just build on what we have...
PG Mo Williams (MLE)...Jordan Farmar/Jason Hart (vets min)
SG Kobe Bryant...Maurice Evans/Sasha Vujacic
SF Luke Walton...Vladimir Radmanovic/Brian Cook
PF Lamar Odom...PJ Brown (vets min)/Ronny Turiaf
C Kwame Brown...Andrew Bynum/19th Draft Pick
Coach: Phil Jackson
How far is that team really away from being contenders? I wouldn't say far at all...And those are all very realistic options. Take into account an extra year of experience for Bynum, Turiaf, Luke, Radman, Farmar, Kwame, Sasha, Evans, etc.... so they'll all be better. And all those injuries we've dealt with will be healed...Keep your head up, Laker fans, we're not in bad shape...PeACe
Are you related to Jerry Buss or Mitch Kupchak? You really want to keep damn near the exact same team that got knocked out in the first round 2 straight years?
A real all-star caliber point guard with the MLE, ala Mo Williams, a veteran big with vets min, ala PJ Brown, a veteran point guard with vets min, ala Jason Hart, a solid 19th pick + a healthy roster playing like we did in October, November, December, January............... aaaand you got yourself a contender. It's not that hard. Teams win championships by growing, not reconstructing.
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^ unless you're the heat or pistons ;D
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so by your judging, 2nd round team... we need a huge impact. Building is good, but Kobe will be 29 next year, it's time to make a splash.
Billups IS a splash. This guy has won a championship and was named the finals MVP. He plays defense, scores, and is a good passer.
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filling in the missing pieces which kobe so desperately asks for is hardly reconstructing.
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filling in the missing pieces which kobe so desperately asks for is hardly reconstructing.
Exactly.
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Kobe's demanding that trades be made. He obviously doesn't feel his supporting staff is good enough to cut it.
He never demanded trades be made, he demnaded the front office put together a contender.. IE valid point guard, veteran contributor, supporting role players that constantly step up in crucial moments...Of course we need to make moves this offseason. Kobe just pointed out the obvious.
What's the difference between demanding trades be made, and demanding the front office put together a contender?
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We can argue, discuss it for hours and hours , if nothing happened this summer to put us in a contender position , Kobe will opt out in 08-09.. yeah it's THAT simple..
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We can argue, discuss it for hours and hours , if nothing happened this summer to put us in a contender position , Kobe will opt out in 08-09.. yeah it's THAT simple..
probably. as said already, its inconsiderate on the management's behalf to just tell kobe to kick back and wait for everybody else to develop, in hopes that maybe one day they'll have a contender team when kobe is no longer in his prime. kobe is undisputedly the best player in the world and they need to think long and hard on what they want to do next.
if they get a chance to get a star player without having to give up odom, yet decide to pass on it because of jim buss' infatuation with bynum, then i guarantee you kobe will be ripping his hair from his head as soon as he reads about it in the papers.
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Kobe's demanding that trades be made. He obviously doesn't feel his supporting staff is good enough to cut it.
He never demanded trades be made, he demnaded the front office put together a contender.. IE valid point guard, veteran contributor, supporting role players that constantly step up in crucial moments...Of course we need to make moves this offseason. Kobe just pointed out the obvious.
What's the difference between demanding trades be made, and demanding the front office put together a contender?
Ever heard of free agency?