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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: teecee on May 31, 2007, 08:55:55 PM
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Get rid of that other thread, it is no longer necessary. Lebron has answered the critics, and I am sure we will all now admit it.
Game-tying three, game-winning drive. One of the MOST CLUTCH games ever, simply amazing.
25 straight points, 29 of the last 30, INCREDIBLE game, one of the best individual games by an NBA player EVER.
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He had a great game...Don't get ahead of yourself though. Dude still missed a grip of clutch shots and coulda closed it out in the 4th with free throws. Too early to call him clutch. I still think Detroit takes the next 2, like last year.
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He had a great game...Don't get ahead of yourself though. Dude still missed a grip of clutch shots and coulda closed it out in the 4th with free throws. Too early to call him clutch. I still think Detroit takes the next 2, like last year.
Kind of what i expected. Don't nitpick, incredible game. He hit the game-tying three, and the game winner.
What happens when he gets a consistent jumper/three, and a post-up game?
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if cleaveland wins game 6 Lebron is on the same level as kobe as far as i'm concerned. if the cavs beat the spurs Lebron>Kobe. i never thought i'd say it but it's true. period.
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He had a great game...Don't get ahead of yourself though.
he's had a great 3 straight games, in the playoffs that says a lot more. plus he's only 22, that's amazing shit.
also remember this is against detroit, one of the leagues best defensive teams.
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if cleaveland wins game 6 Lebron is on the same level as kobe as far as i'm concerned. if the cavs beat the spurs Lebron>Kobe. i never thought i'd say it but it's true. period.
Don't get ahead of yourself. Kobe would EASILY be in the finals right now in LeBron's place with that supporting cast in the EAST. Especially with how Detroit is playing. LeBron isn't even close to Kobe's level yet.
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The dude hit 14/17 (82%) freethrows in the 4th q. Nobody can make them all. Quit hating.
And by the way, since you like comparisons:
Present Kobe>>>Present Lebron
Lebron at 22>>>>>Kobe at 22.
Kobe may have won a ring, but he had a guy, his name escapes me right now, that carried the team. Lebron is doing it by himself against a great defensive team.
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I just watched LBJ become a man (no homo) and as for Nick talkin about Kobe at a time like this??? Dont fuckin bring him into this thread he fuckin sucked in the 04 finals against detroit shooting 38% from the field and 17% from 3 point land. LBJ has arrived!!! Im officially jumping on the bandwagon fuck what anyone thinks
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Lebron at 22>>>>>Kobe at 22.
NO WAY! Kobe was amazing at 22 AND championship material. Doing things as great (and greater) than LeBron from a supporting role.
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The dude hit 14/17 (82%) freethrows in the 4th q. Nobody can make them all. Quit hating.
ALL of LeBron's misses from the free throw line came in the clutch.
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One question? What, individually, did Kobe do at 22 that even remotely compares to what Lebron did tonight?
Guys, can we all agree to not mention KB24 AT LEAST until the playoffs are over??? I know Kobe is trying to be the spotlight right now, and the sad thing is we have let him the last couple of days, but how about instead we focus on Lebron, dude is playing amazing right now, doing things we all didn't think he could do.
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One question? What, individually, did Kobe do at 22 that even remotely compares to what Lebron did tonight?
Are you serious? Kobe was single-handedly winning championship games in the 4th quarter at LeBron's age. You guys are getting way too excited, LeBron STILL has a lot to prove.
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
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lol lebron never had the convieniance of having shaq on his team, he's got zydrunas a lanky foot injured oger lol at kobe SINGLE HANDEDLY winning championship games. lol
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
no doubt, that shit was HISTORIC, again no one, not even Kobe has done that since jordan, ESPECIALLY against a defense like detroit. bravo lebron bravo.
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
LMFAO@no one has done anything like this. 95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups! Speak of overexaggeration, I've seen Baron Davis do shit like this in the playoffs. RELAX.
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lol lebron never had the convieniance of having shaq on his team, he's got zydrunas a lanky foot injured oger lol at kobe SINGLE HANDEDLY winning championship games. lol
Don't deny that Kobe carried Shaq through countless 4th quarters in big playoff games.
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if cleaveland wins game 6 Lebron is on the same level as kobe as far as i'm concerned. if the cavs beat the spurs Lebron>Kobe. i never thought i'd say it but it's true. period.
why the fuck did you bring Kobe in this thread :-X... Lebron got a GREAT game... props to him
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
LMFAO@no one has done anything like this. 95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups! Speak of overexaggeration, I've seen Baron Davis do shit like this in the playoffs. RELAX.
ummmm did you see the three's he was putting up? and 98% of the players in this league don't just cut through detroit's defense like that and make those dunks and lay ups that easily . and i'm so glad you brought up baron davis.....he's one of the most underrated players in this league (should be a laker) but even he couldn't do that against this detroit team.
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lol lebron never had the convieniance of having shaq on his team, he's got zydrunas a lanky foot injured oger lol at kobe SINGLE HANDEDLY winning championship games. lol
Don't deny that Kobe carried Shaq through countless 4th quarters in big playoff games.
dont' deny that shaq carried kobe through countless 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th quarters in big playoff games, remember shaq had the better performance againt the pistons in 2004 not kobe :-X
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if cleaveland wins game 6 Lebron is on the same level as kobe as far as i'm concerned. if the cavs beat the spurs Lebron>Kobe. i never thought i'd say it but it's true. period.
why the fuck did you bring Kobe in this thread :-X... Lebron got a GREAT game... props to him
1. i'm a laker fan
2. however i'm not a BIAS laker fan
3. with that said many people on this board want to make kobe bryant into this untoucable player
4. Lebron played at a level only previously seen by jordan in his prime
5. Michael Jordan > Kobe Bryant
6. If Lebron is playing a level similar to jordan one can only conclude that if he gets this series win over detroit it'll put him on the same level as kobe bryany who can't even win a playoff series by himself.
7. if lebron wins the title he'll be arguably be a bigger asset than kobe
8. your welcome.
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Lebron's dunks were a result of great drive's, not easy dunks. It was ALL him tonight, and he hit HUGE three's, when obviously he is not a great three point shooter.
He has had 3 GREAT games in a row, when Clevelands backs were against the wall; he is OFFICIALLY that dude.
And can we PLEASE stop with Kobe? Kobe cant stand that he isn't in the playoffs, so he has to start this whole media circus bullshit to keep him name relevant when the conference finals are going on.
Fact is this: Kobe had Shaq, so it made it a lot easier for him at 22 to dominate. However, even Kobe never did anything close to what LBJ did tonight, and thats with the double on Shaq all the time. Kobe has never LEAD his team to the finals, so WHEN Lebron does, we can all say Lebron is as good or even better and that will be the end of the story, and we can quit with the comparisons and the mindless posts with Kobe being brought up for no reason.
This thread should be about Lebron, a young dude who has been great the last three games, who has seriously stepped up when the whole basketball world was doubting him after the first two games. Props to him, he is making a fan of many people, a believer of almost everyone. My buddy Lane, the biggest, most annoyingly arrogant Kobe/Laker fan ever couldn't believe the game tonight, even he said we witnessed something special and that Lebron is on a whole nother level right now.
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lol lebron never had the convieniance of having shaq on his team, he's got zydrunas a lanky foot injured oger lol at kobe SINGLE HANDEDLY winning championship games. lol
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Now_I_know i hit the diss button for the first time in a long time on u. just wanted to let u know. u need to change the track cause the cd u got in the changer is skipping like a motherfucka
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One question? What, individually, did Kobe do at 22 that even remotely compares to what Lebron did tonight?
Are you serious? Kobe was single-handedly winning championship games in the 4th quarter at LeBron's age. You guys are getting way too excited, LeBron STILL has a lot to prove.
Disgusting kid, who was the Lakers center that year again?
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
LMFAO@no one has done anything like this. 95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups! Speak of overexaggeration, I've seen Baron Davis do shit like this in the playoffs. RELAX.
ummmm did you see the three's he was putting up? and 98% of the players in this league don't just cut through detroit's defense like that and make those dunks and lay ups that easily . and i'm so glad you brought up baron davis.....he's one of the most underrated players in this league (should be a laker) but even he couldn't do that against this detroit team.
Detroit plays good team defense, but everyone knows their one-on-one defense on LeBron was terrible.
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Amazing performance... LeBron is sick... undeniable and credit needs to be given where it's due.
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lol lebron never had the convieniance of having shaq on his team, he's got zydrunas a lanky foot injured oger lol at kobe SINGLE HANDEDLY winning championship games. lol
Don't deny that Kobe carried Shaq through countless 4th quarters in big playoff games.
dont' deny that shaq carried kobe through countless 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th quarters in big playoff games, remember shaq had the better performance againt the pistons in 2004 not kobe :-X
Shaq couldn't even play nearly as many minutes as Kobe anymore by that point. Of course his percentages and rebounds will be higher than Kobe's, that's without question. He still had his games of 14 points and 8 rebounds, which is far from 30 million a year material, and even farther from vintage Finals Shaq.
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if cleaveland wins game 6 Lebron is on the same level as kobe as far as i'm concerned. if the cavs beat the spurs Lebron>Kobe. i never thought i'd say it but it's true. period.
why the fuck did you bring Kobe in this thread :-X... Lebron got a GREAT game... props to him
1. i'm a laker fan
2. however i'm not a BIAS laker fan
3. with that said many people on this board want to make kobe bryant into this untoucable player
4. Lebron played at a level only previously seen by jordan in his prime
5. Michael Jordan > Kobe Bryant
6. If Lebron is playing a level similar to jordan one can only conclude that if he gets this series win over detroit it'll put him on the same level as kobe bryany who can't even win a playoff series by himself.
7. if lebron wins the title he'll be arguably be a bigger asset than kobe
8. your welcome.
Are you kidding me? Kobe has played on levels way higher than this, dropping in the 60s on triple teams, while playing shut down defense. You hate Kobe way too much for your own good. Come on, now, Jake...We all know LeBron is NO WHERE near Kobe. LeBron is good, and he's growing, no doubt, but Kobe doesn't miss 5 free throws when the game is on the line. Despite the win and the amazing stat-line, LeBron had flaws in this game and DID NOT perform at a level "only previously seen by Jordan". LMAO@that.
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One question? What, individually, did Kobe do at 22 that even remotely compares to what Lebron did tonight?
Are you serious? Kobe was single-handedly winning championship games in the 4th quarter at LeBron's age. You guys are getting way too excited, LeBron STILL has a lot to prove.
Disgusting kid, who was the Lakers center that year again?
Disgusting? You really know your basketball history, huh? When Shaq was fouling out early against the Pacers in the finals, Kobe carried the team on his back in the 4th, breaking records, doing amazing things TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS at an even younger age than LeBron...PeACe
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even Kobe never did anything close to what LBJ did tonight,
See, this is what gets me. LeBron played great and I give him his props for tonight... but surely, you can't truly believe this, can you?
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This is the one thing that pisses me off about the playoffs. People go way overboard with there opinions on players because there are only a few teams to watch.
So far...
"Dirk Nowitzki is the most overrted player ever"
"Baron Davis is great. He deserved to be the MVP"
"Golden State is going to the finals"
"The Lakers are a good team, but Kobe is too selfish to help them win"
"The Suns defense isn't as bad as people make it out to be"
"Lebron steps up in the 4th quarter"
In the famous words of Chris Rock - "cut the fuckin crap"!
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lol @ the haters
Dude, Lebron has been great the past 3 games...scoring most of his points in the 4th....where the fuck have you guys been? A), NOT WATCHING.
Muthafuckas are so blind it sickens me...but this is nothing new, thats how the basketball section been like for the past 3 years
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One question? What, individually, did Kobe do at 22 that even remotely compares to what Lebron did tonight?
Are you serious? Kobe was single-handedly winning championship games in the 4th quarter at LeBron's age. You guys are getting way too excited, LeBron STILL has a lot to prove.
Disgusting kid, who was the Lakers center that year again?
Disgusting? You really know your basketball history, huh? When Shaq was fouling out early against the Pacers in the finals, Kobe carried the team on his back in the 4th, breaking records, doing amazing things TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS at an even younger age than LeBron...PeACe
2001 NBA Finals
Game1
Shaq - 40pts, 20reb, 5 asst, 52 min
Kobe - 15 pts, 3 reb, 5 asst, 52 min
Game 2
Shaq - 28pts, 20 reb, 9 asst, 45 min
Kobe - 31pts, 8 reb, 6 asst, 47 min
Game 3
Shaq - 30pts, 12 reb, 3 asst, 41 min
Kobe - 32 pts, 6reb, 3 asst, 48 min
Game 4
Shaq - 34pts, 14 reb, 5 asst, 42 min
Kobe - 19pts, 10 reb, 9 asst, 43 min
Game 5
Shaq - 29pts, 13reb, 2asst, 45 min
Kobe - 26 pts, 12reb, 6 asst, 44 min
2002 NBA Finals
Game
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^^^^^ East was weaker inside wise so we were insisting on Shaq coz we knew he will dominate with ease.. just compare Shaq stats during the playoffs in the Western Conf and the Finals (during the 3peat) and you will see his stats are way "better" (not the good word) during the Finals... yeah of course Shaq was the main option but Kobe got some very important games and 4th QTs , especially in 01 and 02... :-X at the general knowledge of B-Ball on this forum
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lol @ the haters
Dude, Lebron has been great the past 3 games...scoring most of his points in the 4th....where the fuck have you guys been? A), NOT WATCHING.
Muthafuckas are so blind it sickens me...but this is nothing new, thats how the basketball section been like for the past 3 years
I gave LeBron his props. All I'm saying is that I still think he has a lot to improve before he's considered with the elite great ones.
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One question? What, individually, did Kobe do at 22 that even remotely compares to what Lebron did tonight?
Are you serious? Kobe was single-handedly winning championship games in the 4th quarter at LeBron's age. You guys are getting way too excited, LeBron STILL has a lot to prove.
Disgusting kid, who was the Lakers center that year again?
Disgusting? You really know your basketball history, huh? When Shaq was fouling out early against the Pacers in the finals, Kobe carried the team on his back in the 4th, breaking records, doing amazing things TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS at an even younger age than LeBron...PeACe
2001 NBA Finals
Game1
Shaq - 40pts, 20reb, 5 asst, 52 min
Kobe - 15 pts, 3 reb, 5 asst, 52 min
Game 2
Shaq - 28pts, 20 reb, 9 asst, 45 min
Kobe - 31pts, 8 reb, 6 asst, 47 min
Game 3
Shaq - 30pts, 12 reb, 3 asst, 41 min
Kobe - 32 pts, 6reb, 3 asst, 48 min
Game 4
Shaq - 34pts, 14 reb, 5 asst, 42 min
Kobe - 19pts, 10 reb, 9 asst, 43 min
Game 5
Shaq - 29pts, 13reb, 2asst, 45 min
Kobe - 26 pts, 12reb, 6 asst, 44 min
2002 NBA Finals
Game
The 2001 finals were against the Sixers. LOL. And even if, OF COURSE the offense ran through Shaq! Notice how Kobe was putting up numbers as good or better than Shaq's as a second option...PeACe
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^^^ kobe and shaq made a great fuckin tandem
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
LMFAO@no one has done anything like this. 95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups! Speak of overexaggeration, I've seen Baron Davis do shit like this in the playoffs. RELAX.
http://www.nba.com/games/20070531/CLEDET/playbyplay.html
11 makes were jumpshots (2 of which were 3's)
7 makes were dunks or layups
The other points came from the free throw line.
Sorry champ, that's no where near "95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups."
To be exact, 33% of makes were jump shots, only 21% of makes were dunks/lay-ups.
Of his total shots, 11 of his misses were jumpshots, one of which was blocked. 22 of his total shots were jumpshots. That is 66% of his total shots being jumpshots.
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
LMFAO@no one has done anything like this. 95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups! Speak of overexaggeration, I've seen Baron Davis do shit like this in the playoffs. RELAX.
http://www.nba.com/games/20070531/CLEDET/playbyplay.html
11 makes were jumpshots (2 of which were 3's)
7 makes were dunks or layups
The other points came from the free throw line.
Sorry champ, that's no where near "95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups."
To be exact, 33% of makes were jump shots, only 21% of makes were dunks/lay-ups.
Of his total shots, 11 of his misses were jumpshots, one of which was blocked. 22 of his total shots were jumpshots. That is 66% of his total shots being jumpshots.
I love it when peeps are proved wrong with fact! Opinion is something we all have, facts cannot be fucked with!
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
LMFAO@no one has done anything like this. 95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups! Speak of overexaggeration, I've seen Baron Davis do shit like this in the playoffs. RELAX.
http://www.nba.com/games/20070531/CLEDET/playbyplay.html
11 makes were jumpshots (2 of which were 3's)
7 makes were dunks or layups
The other points came from the free throw line.
Sorry champ, that's no where near "95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups."
To be exact, 33% of makes were jump shots, only 21% of makes were dunks/lay-ups.
Of his total shots, 11 of his misses were jumpshots, one of which was blocked. 22 of his total shots were jumpshots. That is 66% of his total shots being jumpshots.
I was talking about in crunch-time...Most of his clutch shots in the game were when he drove it in on single coverage (BY JASON MAXIELL :-X) and dunked it with authority. None of the shots were breath-taking besides maybe one three...He wasn't doing over the top of 3 defernders, Jordanesque fadeaway type shit like ya'll are making it seem...Detroit gave LeBron the lane, they isolated, and he capitalized. Good shit...PeACe
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The more i think about this game, the more amazing it is. I haven't seen ann individual game in a key playoff situation like this since..........MJ. I've never been one to compare Lebron to MJ as he is a completely different player but NOONE has done anything like this since MJ.
29 of 30 points? Supporting cast, where are you??? Gooden and Boobie have been great this series, but had no impact tonight. It was ALL Lebron......has anyone ever scored their teams final 25 points, including a game tying shot and a game winner?
LMFAO@no one has done anything like this. 95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups! Speak of overexaggeration, I've seen Baron Davis do shit like this in the playoffs. RELAX.
http://www.nba.com/games/20070531/CLEDET/playbyplay.html
11 makes were jumpshots (2 of which were 3's)
7 makes were dunks or layups
The other points came from the free throw line.
Sorry champ, that's no where near "95% of his shots were dunks and open lay-ups."
To be exact, 33% of makes were jump shots, only 21% of makes were dunks/lay-ups.
Of his total shots, 11 of his misses were jumpshots, one of which was blocked. 22 of his total shots were jumpshots. That is 66% of his total shots being jumpshots.
I was talking about in crunch-time...Most of his clutch shots in the game were when he drove it in on single coverage (BY JASON MAXIELL :-X) and dunked it with authority. None of the shots were breath-taking besides maybe one three...He wasn't doing over the top of 3 defernders, Jordanesque fadeaway type shit like ya'll are making it seem...Detroit gave LeBron the lane, they isolated, and he capitalized. Good shit...PeACe
Yeah, way to try and cover your tracks champ.
However, in the 2 ot's:
4 makes were jumpshots, 2 were layupsdunks, the rest were freethrows.
Again, not close to 95%.
And, just for kicks, go into the 4th quarter:
His last five shots, 2 were jump shots, 3 were layups/dunks.
Still, that's a 6-5 edge for jumpshots.
Also, single coverage, triple coverage, quadruple coverage, a made jump shot is a made jump shot. Driving and dunking over somebody still means 1) you got past the original defender and 2) you dunked over somebody.
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^^So tell me something, what's YOUR point? My point is that his performance was great, but still not Jordanesque or nearly as amazing as you guys made it out to be...Jordan woulda been HAMMERED by 5 players driving into the lane like that against the 80's Detroit teams.
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^^So tell me something, what's YOUR point? My point is that his performance was great, but still not Jordanesque or nearly as amazing as you guys made it out to be...Jordan woulda been HAMMERED by 5 players driving into the lane like that against the 80's Detroit teams.
Ok, lets pretend i agree with you. Basically, what you are then saying is no performance in the past 5-6 years is worthy of being considered "Jordanesque" because defense is now so damn soft. D-Wade in the finals last year, Kobe versus the Raps, etc, none of these performances are historics because defense is so weak now, right?
This ain't the 80's, but the fact is this: Its been a LONG TIME since anyone has dominated the end of a game like that. 29 of 30??? In the 4th and Overtimes? WHo else has dominated the end of a game like this? I don't care if it was single coverage, no coverage, etc, the fact is he scored 25 straight points, each shot hugely clutch as any of those missing could've meant the Cavs lose.
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You keep changing your mind...
95% of his shots were dunks or layups.
You get punked, so...
I meant the crunch time shots.
You get punked, so...
What's your point? It wasn't Jordanesque.
Get over yourself.
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I would love to read this board in a Lakers-no-playoffs, NBA Finals 2008 Suns vs. Cavs scenario. Damn, that would be entertaining as hell.
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^^So tell me something, what's YOUR point? My point is that his performance was great, but still not Jordanesque or nearly as amazing as you guys made it out to be...Jordan woulda been HAMMERED by 5 players driving into the lane like that against the 80's Detroit teams.
Ok, lets pretend i agree with you. Basically, what you are then saying is no performance in the past 5-6 years is worthy of being considered "Jordanesque" because defense is now so damn soft. D-Wade in the finals last year, Kobe versus the Raps, etc, none of these performances are historics because defense is so weak now, right?
This ain't the 80's, but the fact is this: Its been a LONG TIME since anyone has dominated the end of a game like that. 29 of 30??? In the 4th and Overtimes? WHo else has dominated the end of a game like this? I don't care if it was single coverage, no coverage, etc, the fact is he scored 25 straight points, each shot hugely clutch as any of those missing could've meant the Cavs lose.
Dude, LeBron shot 25 straight points for the Cavs because he shot ALL of their shots. He was a man on a mission, out to prove a point and Detroit allowed him with single coverage. They didn't even double him! I give him props, but does this make him an all-time great? Hell no. Is he one of the best in the game today? Easily...If LeBron wins this series, that could really change my opinion on him. I can't go from considering him a choker to clutch in the span of 1 game though. There's a lot more to prove...PeACe
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You keep changing your mind...
95% of his shots were dunks or layups.
You get punked, so...
I meant the crunch time shots.
You get punked, so...
What's your point? It wasn't Jordanesque.
Get over yourself.
You're a moron if you can't see that most of his shots in crunch-time were dunks and layups...I gave LeBron his props, get over ME.
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I would love to read this board in a Lakers-no-playoffs, NBA Finals 2008 Suns vs. Cavs scenario. Damn, that would be entertaining as hell.
It's never going to happen, but I'd go in exile from dubcc for a couple months.
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You keep changing your mind...
95% of his shots were dunks or layups.
You get punked, so...
I meant the crunch time shots.
You get punked, so...
What's your point? It wasn't Jordanesque.
Get over yourself.
You're a moron if you can't see that most of his shots in crunch-time were dunks and layups...I gave LeBron his props, get over ME.
Who's the moron? Read the play-by-play. I already posted the numbers for you to read. Idiot. Plain and simple. Idiot.
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You keep changing your mind...
95% of his shots were dunks or layups.
You get punked, so...
I meant the crunch time shots.
You get punked, so...
What's your point? It wasn't Jordanesque.
Get over yourself.
You're a moron if you can't see that most of his shots in crunch-time were dunks and layups...I gave LeBron his props, get over ME.
Who's the moron? Read the play-by-play. I already posted the numbers for you to read. Idiot. Plain and simple. Idiot.
Crunch-Time:
James Driving Layup Shot: Made (23 PTS)
James Free Throw 1 of 1 missed
James 3pt Shot: Made (26 PTS)
James Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
James Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
James Driving Dunk Shot: Made (28 PTS)
James Driving Dunk Shot: Made (30 PTS)
OT:
James Free Throw 1 of 2 (31 PTS)
James Free Throw 2 of 2 (32 PTS)
James Dunk Shot: Made (34 PTS)
James Free Throw 1 of 2 (35 PTS)
James Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
James Jump Shot: Missed
James Free Throw 1 of 2 (36 PTS)
James Free Throw 2 of 2 (37 PTS)
James Jump Shot: Made (39 PTS)
James Jump Shot: Missed
OT2:
James Jump Shot: Made (41 PTS)
James Jump Shot: Made (43 PTS)
James 3pt Shot: Made (46 PTS)
James Driving Layup Shot: Made (48 PTS)
Layups/Dunks=Blue
Jumpers=Red
Free-Throws=Yellow
Make=Bold
Miss=Italics
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Free throws=5/9
Jump-shots=5/7
Lay-ups/Dunks=5/5
I wont even get into free throws...
It's obvious that he was most succesful going to the hoop..He made some jumpers, but were they tough shots or were they poorly conested? LeBron did a great job, don't get me wrong... I was obviously exaggerating with the 95% (wasn't really sitting there with a calculator), but what won it for him was taking it to the rack, not his clutch play against a team playing him at its best...PeACe
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LBJ has all the makings of a legend and last night will go down in history as a historic night(individually). Why Kobe came up i dont know,however its still Kobe>LBJ and there will be room for argument if James keeps playing the way he is now, especially if he leads the under powered Cavs to a championship.
edit: although im amazed, NIK wasnt actually the one who brought Bryant into the equation...
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Lebron James played a great game, he's a great player with a huge future ahead of him. He's not Kobe bryant though. I'll leave it at that
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He had a great game...Don't get ahead of yourself though. Dude still missed a grip of clutch shots and coulda closed it out in the 4th with free throws. Too early to call him clutch. I still think Detroit takes the next 2, like last year.
this is a way different bron bron then last year...
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NIK, you are the biggest dummy on dubcc. this thread is hilarious. I cant even get into it with you anymore becuase I cant take your comments seriously.
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^^LOL@"biggest dummy"...From the same guy who revived "dork". STFU, Urkle Canada...It's obvious that LeBron still has a lot to improve/prove...Make some points and MAYBE I'll think about taking your comments seriously. As of now, you're just another cancer to the thread...PeACe
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If Lebron drags Cleveland to the finals, you will have to mention him in the same name as Kobe.
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whats funny is Cleveland wouldnt have beat the 8th seed in the west
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Props to LeBron. Like teecee said, he has answered the critics, so i'll give him props for his amazing performance. I promise if he brings his team to the Finals, i'll start to consider him an elite player for muthafucking real (and my list is extremely short, just to let you know).
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Fuckin unreal. LeBron showed some brilliance last night. I knew he was good but that game was nuts. Bustin treys, posting up, driving the lane, just putting on a clinic. And I mean to score the final 29 of your teams 30 points, push to 2 OT in the conference finals against Detroit whom almost everybody had picked to be in the finals against the Spurs? Crazy. I was watchin that shit w/ my peoples and we were all blown away. It was like everything he threw up you expected him to make from the 4th quarter on.
And lol @ people still attempting to discuss basketball w/ Elior.
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Lebron had 1 great game
but the bottom line is if they don't go past Detroit & then win the championship against SA who gives a shit.
he's got a Long, Long, Long way to go before he's mentioned in the name's the media has been dropping him in IMO.
Lebron @ 22 is on pace to be be something great
but then again so was S.Kemp, A. Hardaway, G. Hill ect.
Great GAME Lebron, but if the Cav's don't win a championship ring or until they do.
you had a great GAME.
Does Lebron have to be "Jordan" every night just to beat Detroit?
if so..
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Medias are annoying with the comparaison shit... of course it sells but hey let Lebron built his own legacy... same thing for other young stars...
Lebron is Lebron, Wade is Wade , Anthony is Anthony... fuck that he's the next Jordan, next Magic ect...
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Medias are annoying with the comparaison shit... of course it sells but hey let Lebron built his own legacy... same thing for other young stars...
Lebron is Lebron, Wade is Wade , Anthony is Anthony... fuck that he's the next Jordan, next Magic ect...
Exactly. Shit is stupid.
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Lebron had 1 great game
but the bottom line is if they don't go past Detroit & then win the championship against SA who gives a shit.
Lol... SA is a much, much better and a much much much much much more experienced team... there is no player in the NBA that would have a good chance at beating SA in 7 if to be replaced with LeBron. It's crazy enough how this young ass team is about to beat the Pistons, a team that has been together for years (minus Webber/Ben) and went to the Finals all the time, including winning a championship against Bryant and Shaq.
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^^^^ yeah no player can win a series by himself against SAS .... Dallas was the only team which can beat the Spurs in a series...
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whats funny is Cleveland wouldnt have beat the 8th seed in the west
Exactly. LOL@LeBron somehow being on Kobe's level in the span of one series where he managed to fuck up in the clutch on more than one occasion. If LeBron was a GREAT player, Cleveland woulda' had this series by now.
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Fuckin unreal. LeBron showed some brilliance last night. I knew he was good but that game was nuts. Bustin treys, posting up, driving the lane, just putting on a clinic. And I mean to score the final 29 of your teams 30 points, push to 2 OT in the conference finals against Detroit whom almost everybody had picked to be in the finals against the Spurs? Crazy. I was watchin that shit w/ my peoples and we were all blown away. It was like everything he threw up you expected him to make from the 4th quarter on.
And lol @ people still attempting to discuss basketball w/ Elior.
LOL@Jromo can't stay off the nuts.
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Lebron had 1 great game
but the bottom line is if they don't go past Detroit & then win the championship against SA who gives a shit.
he's got a Long, Long, Long way to go before he's mentioned in the name's the media has been dropping him in IMO.
Lebron @ 22 is on pace to be be something great
but then again so was S.Kemp, A. Hardaway, G. Hill ect.
Great GAME Lebron, but if the Cav's don't win a championship ring or until they do.
you had a great GAME.
Does Lebron have to be "Jordan" every night just to beat Detroit?
if so..
Perfectly said. 8)
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Lebron had 1 great game
but the bottom line is if they don't go past Detroit & then win the championship against SA who gives a shit.
Lol... SA is a much, much better and a much much much much much more experienced team... there is no player in the NBA that would have a good chance at beating SA in 7 if to be replaced with LeBron. It's crazy enough how this young ass team is about to beat the Pistons, a team that has been together for years (minus Webber/Ben) and went to the Finals all the time, including winning a championship against Bryant and Shaq.
Detroit has been a completely different team, known for softening up in the playoffs, ever since Flip Saunders took over...
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Lebron has 6 assists already, as long as the open Cav hits the shots Detroit is fucked tonight!
And while i concede that the East is weak and the west is way stronger, it can also be said that Lebron and The Cav ARE the underdog against Detroit and shouldn't really stand a chance to win against a superior team. BOTH coaches in this series suck, both teams win DESPITE their coaches, not because of them.
I don't know what else LBJ can do in this series, he wasn't great in the first two but has been in the last three plus one quarter of this game.
I think both Kobe and Wade are GREAT players, but their teams didn't win their respective series. And why? After all, the Lakers were up against the SUNS, the worst defensive team in the league! How did Kobe not go for 40 plus every night???
But ya, Flip Saunders is a horrible coach, and so is Mike Brown.
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Lebron is on the same level as kobe now. in four years he was able to take a team the NBA finals. lol CLEAVELAND at that.
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Lebron is on the same level as kobe now. in four years he was able to take a team the NBA finals. lol CLEAVELAND at that.
And without the most dominating player of all time anchoring the team. Unless you count Ilgauskus.
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whats funny is Cleveland wouldnt have beat the 8th seed in the west
lol
bullshit.
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whats funny is Cleveland wouldnt have beat the 8th seed in the west
lol
bullshit.
LOL, what is Clevelands record against the Spurs this year? 2-0?
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detroit> golden state
cleaveland> golden state
raptors>golden state
miami>golden state
chicago>golden state
nets> golden state
wizards WITH gilbert > golden state
orlando=golden state
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detroit> golden state
cleaveland> golden state
raptors>golden state
miami>golden state
chicago>golden state
nets> golden state
wizards WITH gilbert > golden state
orlando=golden state
Jacob you're kidding right? So that means the east is also better than the number 1 seed, Dallas?
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golden state had a better contingency against dallas, which means that they matched up better against them than any other team in the playoffs. dallas was the team they NEEDED to play in order to advance, check the regular season, the only team that was really giving dallas that much trouble was golden state, pheonix too, but at least they were beating other teams. golden state had a mental and physical advantage over dallas that no other team has. it's a shame that golden state doesn't have that kind of power over any other play off team in the NBA.
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Lebron is on the same level as kobe now. in four years he was able to take a team the NBA finals. lol CLEAVELAND at that.
LOL@LeBron being on the same level as Kobe. The difference with the Cavs and Lakers (besides the Cavs getting a walk through the playoffs in the eastern conference) is that when LeBron is shit, like last night (especially in the 4th), his teammates carry him. He has a strong supporting cast with very solid bench players. LeBron is NOT on Kobe's level. Neither is Wade. I dunno what to say if you truly think this...PeACe
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Lebron is on the same level as kobe now. in four years he was able to take a team the NBA finals. lol CLEAVELAND at that.
LOL@LeBron being on the same level as Kobe. The difference with the Cavs and Lakers (besides the Cavs getting a walk through the playoffs in the eastern conference) is that when LeBron is shit, like last night (especially in the 4th), his teammates carry him. He has a strong supporting cast with very solid bench players. LeBron is NOT on Kobe's level. Neither is Wade. I dunno what to say if you truly think this...PeACe
NIK, I don't think you even believe what you write, i just think you do it all to get a rise out of people! ANd damn it, you are good at it!!!!
Real shit: If Kobe was triple teamed last night like Lebron, he would've shot 9 for 34, tossing up wild shot after wild shot as he doesn't know a good one from a bad one. NOone its tough shots like Kobe, but his poor shot selection at times is why his shooting percentage is as low as it is.
Lebron took Gibson aside at the start of the year, told him he was his shooter, helped boost his confidence, etc. The reason other Cavs are stepping up is their leader believes in them, simple as that. You really think that Cleveland has a "strong supporting cast"? NO, of course you don't, you just trying to get me to work on my typing skills and actually respond.
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Lebron is on the same level as kobe now. in four years he was able to take a team the NBA finals. lol CLEAVELAND at that.
LOL@LeBron being on the same level as Kobe. The difference with the Cavs and Lakers (besides the Cavs getting a walk through the playoffs in the eastern conference) is that when LeBron is shit, like last night (especially in the 4th), his teammates carry him. He has a strong supporting cast with very solid bench players. LeBron is NOT on Kobe's level. Neither is Wade. I dunno what to say if you truly think this...PeACe
NIK, I don't think you even believe what you write, i just think you do it all to get a rise out of people! ANd damn it, you are good at it!!!!
Real shit: If Kobe was triple teamed last night like Lebron, he would've shot 9 for 34, tossing up wild shot after wild shot as he doesn't know a good one from a bad one. NOone its tough shots like Kobe, but his poor shot selection at times is why his shooting percentage is as low as it is.
Lebron took Gibson aside at the start of the year, told him he was his shooter, helped boost his confidence, etc. The reason other Cavs are stepping up is their leader believes in them, simple as that. You really think that Cleveland has a "strong supporting cast"? NO, of course you don't, you just trying to get me to work on my typing skills and actually respond.
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LOL@Clevelenad not having a supporting cast when they constantly win games with LeBron disappearing/looking like a role player. Kobe was the first on the phone with Radmanovic before and after he signed, telling him how much his shooting will open up the triangle for the Lakers, and look what happened with that... Why wouldn't I believe what I write? LeBron himself knows he's nowhere near Kobe. Who's OBVIOUSLY better on offense? Kobe. Who's OBVIOUSLY better on defense? Kobe. Who has won something that counts and has constantly come through in huge games? Kobe. Who is by far the best player in the league? KOBE. A lot of people can't stand my opinions, but the fact of the matter is, despite how bias it might sound, they're all based off of logic. LeBron didn't do for Gibson anything Kobe hasn't done for his players. When they play on a team together (ala USA), Kobe is LeBron's leader. Believe that...PeACe
PS. LOL@If Kobe was "triple teamed". Kobe is not LeBron, he ALWAYS gets triple teamed. I guess that's why his shooting percentage is "so low" though (<<LOL@that as well).
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1. name one player on the cavs as good odom? gooden? larry hughes? eric snow? lol illgoofus? the lakers are just as deep if not deeper than the cavs, the only difference is the heart is there, lebron is the leader and is a team player and that team can win big games. simple as that, the lakers can't even beat the suns with the best offensive weapon in the league , then add onto that one of the best team mates to have (odom) lol.
let's look at the cleaveland cavs vs the Lakers
shannon brown
daniel gibson
drew gooden
larry hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Lebron James
Damon Jones
dwayne jones
Donyell marshall
Ira Newble
Aleksander Provlovic
scot pollard
eric snow
david wesley
Anderson Varejao
okay now the lakers
Luke Walton
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar
Kobe Bryant
Brian Cook
Maurice Evans
Smush Parker
Vladimir Radmanovic
Ronni Turiaf
Sasha Vujacic
Shammond Williams
Aaron Mckie
Chris Mihm
oh yeah not to mention we are coached by phil jackson ::)
okay all that going for us and we can't beat the 2nd place suns that you degrade as not a real team anyway?
okay all that and Cleaveland wins 4 straight games against the number 1 team The pistons?
it's not the refs. It's not the media. It's not one rebound. it's sure not the benches. do you know what it is?
the leadership!
why does a team with a beat up shaquille o'neal and Alanzo mourning win the NBA championship? Why Do the spurs continually do well? Leadership. Why did the Cavs place 2nd and go on to the nba finals... Leadership.
this past regular season the cavs went
2-0 against the lakers
2-0 against the spurs
2-0 against golden state
1-1 against utah (lost first game by 1 point!)
1-1 against houston
then 0-2 vs denver, dallas, and phoenix
that's .500 against western conference playoff teams 1.000 against their next opponant AND the "superior" lakers.
Now the Lakers
Dallas-1-3
Phoenix- 1-3 (2-6 counting playoffs)
San Antonio-2-1
Utah- 2-1
Houston-2-2
Denver-1-3
Golden State-4-0
13-26 vs western conference playoff teams, .500, which is the same as the cavs
now the eastern conference
detroit-0-2
new jersey-2-0
miami-1-1
chicago-1-1
orlando-2-0
toronto-1-1
washington-1-1
cleaveland-0-2
8-16, hmmmm now that's .500 in the LEASTERN conference for the lakers
detroit 1-3 (5-5 counting playoffs)
new jersey- 3-1
miami- 1-3
chicago-2-2
toronto-3-1
washington-3-1
orlando 1-2
14-23, .608 from the cavs.....hmmmm so the cavs through stats can fair jsut as well as the lakers if not BETTER seeing as they can beat them and play better in the eat ;)
Lebron is just as good as kobe now
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1. name one player on the cavs as good odom? gooden? larry hughes? eric snow? lol illgoofus? the lakers are just as deep if not deeper than the cavs, the only difference is the heart is there, lebron is the leader and is a team player and that team can win big games. simple as that, the lakers can't even beat the suns with the best offensive weapon in the league , then add onto that one of the best team mates to have (odom) lol.
let's look at the cleaveland cavs vs the Lakers
shannon brown
daniel gibson
drew gooden
larry hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Lebron James
Damon Jones
dwayne jones
Donyell marshall
Ira Newble
Aleksander Provlovic
scot pollard
eric snow
david wesley
Anderson Varejao
okay now the lakers
Luke Walton
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar
Kobe Bryant
Brian Cook
Maurice Evans
Smush Parker
Vladimir Radmanovic
Ronni Turiaf
Sasha Vujacic
Shammond Williams
Aaron Mckie
Chris Mihm
oh yeah not to mention we are coached by phil jackson ::)
okay all that going for us and we can't beat the 2nd place suns that you degrade as not a real team anyway?
okay all that and Cleaveland wins 4 straight games against the number 1 team The pistons?
it's not the refs. It's not the media. It's not one rebound. it's sure not the benches. do you know what it is?
the leadership!
why does a team with a beat up shaquille o'neal and Alanzo mourning win the NBA championship? Why Do the spurs continually do well? Leadership. Why did the Cavs place 2nd and go on to the nba finals... Leadership.
this past regular season the cavs went
2-0 against the lakers
2-0 against the spurs
2-0 against golden state
1-1 against utah (lost first game by 1 point!)
1-1 against houston
then 0-2 vs denver, dallas, and phoenix
that's .500 against western conference playoff teams 1.000 against their next opponant AND the "superior" lakers.
Now the Lakers
Dallas-1-3
Phoenix- 1-3 (2-6 counting playoffs)
San Antonio-2-1
Utah- 2-1
Houston-2-2
Denver-1-3
Golden State-4-0
13-26 vs western conference playoff teams, .500, which is the same as the cavs
now the eastern conference
detroit-0-2
new jersey-2-0
miami-1-1
chicago-1-1
orlando-2-0
toronto-1-1
washington-1-1
cleaveland-0-2
8-16, hmmmm now that's .500 in the LEASTERN conference for the lakers
detroit 1-3 (5-5 counting playoffs)
new jersey- 3-1
miami- 1-3
chicago-2-2
toronto-3-1
washington-3-1
orlando 1-2
14-23, .608 from the cavs.....hmmmm so the cavs through stats can fair jsut as well as the lakers if not BETTER seeing as they can beat them and play better in the eat ;)
Lebron is just as good as kobe now
Funny how you choose to ignore that the Cavs play in the east and basically got a walk through the playoffs. I mean, do you deny that they woulda been bounced in the 1st round had they been in the west? Come on, now. LeBron is not close to Kobe as of now, and you know this. Unlike the Lakers of late, the Cavs have been a well balanced team with experienced veterans and all-star caliber playerS to fit the system. They have bigs (Ilgauskas, Vareajo, Gooden), perimeter players (Hughes, LeBron, Pavlovic), point guards (Eric Snow, Daniel Gibson, Damon Jones), shooting specialists (Donyell Marsahall, Damon Jones). And they play excellent TEAM defense...Theyre pretty much set for what they're tryna do, not to discredit James, cuz I still think he's a very good player with lotsa' room to grow, but to say he's on Kobe's level because he won this series is just not gunna cut it...PeACe
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It's a storm. You know. It's like when the Heat won the title with Shaq. Now it's time for all the LeBron James' fans to show their excitement, and it's time for all the Kobe haters to hate on Kobe, again. You can do nothing about it, NIK. So maybe we should simply sit down, relax, take a deep breath and try to understand this people so excited. I feel them. I disagree with them but they have a point, there. I appreciated 7even when the Warriors eliminated the Mavs. We should do the same, homie. We should sit down, take that deep breath and try to give LeBron props for what he did without doing the mistake to understimate him. He did a great thing in Game-5, he made history. And he's about to play his first NBA Finals at 22. The kid got numbers, man. Good numbers. He has a pretty decent supporting cast (damn Gibson!), but his team was overall worse than the Pistons and the Nets too, imho. So it's not like he the easier thing in the world! Let's give him the props he deserves. Kobe is better, imho. I do agree with you. But there's only one place where to show it, and it's on the court. And there's only one thin that will shut the haters down: a 4th ring. Kobe knows it, and he knows that until he'll carry the Lakers on the NBA Finals by himself, people will continue to call him a selfish player who can't win titles / won titles because of Shaq. He knows it, that's why he's so confused and aggressive right now. I'm positive, not as positive as you but i'm pretty positive, man. But let's not stop the dream all the LeBron James' fans are living. Shit, i'm starting to like this kid too..
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It's a storm. You know. It's like when the Heat won the title with Shaq. Now it's time for all the LeBron James' fans to show their excitement, and it's time for all the Kobe haters to hate on Kobe, again. You can do nothing about it, NIK. So maybe we should simply sit down, relax, take a deep breath and try to understand this people so excited. I feel them. I disagree with them but they have a point, there. I appreciated 7even when the Warriors eliminated the Mavs. We should do the same, homie. We should sit down, take that deep breath and try to give LeBron props for what he did without doing the mistake to understimate him. He did a great thing in Game-5, he made history. And he's about to play his first NBA Finals at 22. The kid got numbers, man. Good numbers. He has a pretty decent supporting cast (damn Gibson!), but his team was overall worse than the Pistons and the Nets too, imho. So it's not like he the easier thing in the world! Let's give him the props he deserves. Kobe is better, imho. I do agree with you. But there's only one place where to show it, and it's on the court. And there's only one thin that will shut the haters down: a 4th ring. Kobe knows it, and he knows that until he'll carry the Lakers on the NBA Finals by himself, people will continue to call him a selfish player who can't win titles / won titles because of Shaq. He knows it, that's why he's so confused and aggressive right now. I'm positive, not as positive as you but i'm pretty positive, man. But let's not stop the dream all the LeBron James' fans are living. Shit, i'm starting to like this kid too..
Wow man, major props for your maturity and perspective. Peace
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Yea, I pretty much agree with everything Antonio is saying, I'm just the one to voice my opinion when the hype becomes too much, not the one to sit back and watch people make outrageous claims when their favorite player is currently doing something great...PeACe