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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on June 02, 2007, 08:34:14 PM
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Who you got?
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I'd like to say Cleveland, but if San Antonion loses this, its only because the Robot malfunctions or Tony Parker goes back to France.
Spurs in 4 (maybe 5).
The Cavs and LBJ are in the finals far quicker than anyone expected, this is all bonus and a chance for the Lebron and his team to get some experience, as they are going to be dominating the east for awhile..........
By the way, I could see Billups wanting to leave the Pistons now, could be sweet for the Lakers; imagine two money players in the backcourt? Kobe and Billups would be sick!
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I called that matchup weeks ago and people were making fun of me because of that. Just to let yall know.
Go Cavs!!! 8)
But for real they should really enjoy the EC Championship, the Spurs are the team to beat and there's only a very slim, if any chance that they will be beat in 7.
Spurs in 5 or 6.
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Spurs in 5
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
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Noone had a chance to beat the SPurs, Phoenix was the closest, and then maybe the Mavs if they didn't bitch out. No other team is deep enough or coached well enough.............
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spurs in 4-5
i hope the cavs can proove me wrong though.
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god i just hope it isnt up to the ref like it was last year.I like Spurs in 6.
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cavs in 6.
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id like the cavs to win but boring sa will take it
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
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^^^^^^^^^^^^NO doubt, the Cavs definitely are better than the Lakers and i don' think ANYONE would dispute that.
Its like this: NIK said that the Jazz, Bulls, Spurs, and Pistons were better than the Suns, and the Suns are obviously far superior to the Lakers. The Cavs are obviously much better than the Pistons, who are better than the Bulls, so if we do the math and think about this logically, than the Cavs are far better than the Lakers, right??
If the CAVS do somehow win, it will be the biggest finals upset in a LONG time and peeps better be ready to give props.
The Cavs DO have a few things going for them:
1) They play good team defense and rebound very well
2) They have good outside shooting
3) They have large perimeter players to harass Parker and Ginobli
4) Lebron
5) Boobie
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If the Cavs were to win, it would absolutely be one of the biggest upsets in recent memory. But I really don't see it happening. But I didn't see them beating Detroit either. I gotta say Spurs in 5.
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San Antonio Spurs
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If Lebron scores 40 points, 10 rebounds and 8 assists a night...and cavs win all 4 games...Nik will still call Lebron a second class player
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If Lebron scores 40 points, 10 rebounds and 8 assists a night...and cavs win all 4 games...Nik will still call Lebron a second class player
No doubt man, its comical with that NIK guy!
It'll be one of the following:
a) the refs gave LBJ all the calls
b) the league wanted Lebron to win
c) the Spurs aren't as good as advertised
d) LEBRON HAS A GREAT SUPPORTING CAST!
Still, the sad thing is Lebron will have to go for 40, 10, and to win!
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I'd say the Spurs just because of how dominating they've been, but I'm definately pulling for the Cavs, and who knows, maybe they can pull it out 8)
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Oh..im going for the Cavs...they're gonna have to bring an A++ game with some extra work on the side to beat the spurs...Its gonna be fun to watch ;D...im actually excited to see this series
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
:nawty:
Cavs in the west=first round exit.
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If Lebron scores 40 points, 10 rebounds and 8 assists a night...and cavs win all 4 games...Nik will still call Lebron a second class player
Not true.
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
:nawty:
Cavs in the west=first round exit.
I disagree. I think they could've possibly beaten the lower five teams outside of SA, Dallas, and Phoenix.
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^Cleveland in the west woulda played SPURS in the first round.
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If Cleveland had been in the West, they would've had a different record dickhead...they would've played different teams.
Are you going to get mad and lock this thread too?
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
:nawty:
Cavs in the west=first round exit.
:sshh:
Cleveland vs. Lakers - 2 wins, 0 losses.
And yeah lock this thread you fuckin bitch.
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
:nawty:
Cavs in the west=first round exit.
:sshh:
Cleveland vs. Lakers - 2 wins, 0 losses.
And yeah lock this thread you fuckin bitch.
And normally i would say the regular season doesn't mean a lot, but NIK already made the preposterous argument that because the Lakers won against the Spurs in the regular season, they actually would've stood a chance to beat them in a 7 game series!
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If Cleveland had been in the West, they would've had a different record dickhead...they would've played different teams.
Are you going to get mad and lock this thread too?
Yea, they would have had a WORSE record, genius. Not very gifted when it comes to common sense, now, are we?
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
:nawty:
Cavs in the west=first round exit.
:sshh:
Cleveland vs. Lakers - 2 wins, 0 losses.
And yeah lock this thread you fuckin bitch.
Jromo, I never claimed the Lakers have been a better team than the Cavs this year. Find a new way to ride.
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
:nawty:
Cavs in the west=first round exit.
:sshh:
Cleveland vs. Lakers - 2 wins, 0 losses.
And yeah lock this thread you fuckin bitch.
Jromo, I never claimed the Lakers have been a better team than the Cavs this year. Find a new way to ride.
:sshh:
Cleveland vs. Lakers - 2 wins, 0 losses. Cleveland>>Lakers.
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If Cleveland had been in the West, they would've had a different record dickhead...they would've played different teams.
Are you going to get mad and lock this thread too?
Yea, they would have had a WORSE record, genius. Not very gifted when it comes to common sense, now, are we?
Worse record? Maybe...maybe not.
If they were in the Southwestern division, they probably would've beaten the Rockets, been in third place for that division.
If they were in the Northwestern division, they possibly could've won the division.
If they were in the Pacific division, they would've gotten second in that division.
That said...
If the get 3rd in the Southwestern division, they play Utah and have a good chance to win that series.
If they win the Northwestern division, they play Houston and have a good chance to win that series.
If they get 2nd in the Pacific division, they play the Suns and probably get beat in the 1st round.
That said...
Now let's say they get 3rd in the Northwestern division...they would still have enough wins to knock out Golden State...This drops LA to 8 (sweep by Mavs), and they get beat by the Suns.
Now let's say they get 3rd in the Pacific division...LA doesn't make the playoffs due to losing the tiebreak and GS becomes the 7th seed and Cleveland the 8th...both teams get beat in the 1st round.
Now let's say they get 4th in the Southwestern division...they could still very well be 42-40 or even 45-37 putting them either 6, 7, 8. More than likely, they go out the first round.
Please NIK, make sense when you write posts, I believe the score is now:
Hisairness - 52
NIK - 4
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^^Thanks for breaking down how much of a senseless moron you are. At least you gave me 4 points...You still have 0 in my book. 8)
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^^^ lol +1 i must say Nik is doin a pretty good job holding his own against the entire sports section
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LOL. Another shitty east coast team gets to make the finals. At least we have a real playoff team in the west this time around...PeACe
Cavs>>>Lakers. -1
:nawty:
Cavs in the west=first round exit.
:sshh:
Cleveland vs. Lakers - 2 wins, 0 losses.
And yeah lock this thread you fuckin bitch.
Jromo, I never claimed the Lakers have been a better team than the Cavs this year. Find a new way to ride.
:sshh:
Cleveland vs. Lakers - 2 wins, 0 losses. Cleveland>>Lakers.
if Cleveland beat Lakers in the regular season and the Lakers beat San Antonio in the regular season so doesn't that mean Cleveland>Lakers>San Antonio right?
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cleaveland also beat San Antonio in the regular season as well. however the regular season is the regular season. the playoffs are a whole new season. old teams like the spurs LIVE for this season. i dont' expect the cavs to win more than one or two games. But i REALLY hope they do.
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^co-sign
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^^^^
I was being sarcastic using NIK's logic ;)
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That wasn't my logic, it was Jromo's...Read the thread.
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Tony Parker for Finals MVP?
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^^^^ he has been THE difference maker in this finals.. no doubt in my mind.. unless Timmy got a 40-15-5 type of effort in Game 4..
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Tony Parker for Finals MVP?
No doubt, he has been the best player. However, the Cavs are so bad i think the Spurs would beat the Cavs WITHOUT Tony Parker as they are superior in every way. That is how mismatched this series is.
LOL at peeps claiming the Cavs are better than Miami was last year; its not even close, the Cavs suck and have only one true offensive talent. Gibson, who had been on fire the last few games, gets a start and goes 1-10. Their shooting tonight was fucking horrible.
I'm not saying Lebron has played great in the finals, but no player in NBA history could take Lebron's place and lead the Cavs to a win over the SPurs.
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the spurs are too much for the cavs.
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Tony Parker for Finals MVP?
got my vote
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
LMFAO@LeBron James being mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats. I know some people are currently slapping themselves for that one...
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
LMFAO@LeBron James being mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats. I know some people are currently slapping themselves for that one...
What else can LBJ do? The SPURS are vastly superior to the Cavs in every possible way. The Cavs do not have a second option, or any other player capable of playing consistently. Like i previously said, NO PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL COULD REPLACE LEBRON AND LEAD THEM TO A TITLE OVER THIS SPURS TEAM. Its as simple as that. The CAvs suck, they have no offense, their supposed second best player is injured, etc. Lebron hasn't been great, but at the same time, EVERY SINGLE BASKET he has scored has been a high degree of difficulty; the Spurs can key on him as they know noone else can do shit to them.
Comparing Lebron to the greats is not as much of a stretch as saying the Lakers had a chance of winning the title. Slap yourself.
And like i said, the Spurs are so much better than the Cavs, you could take the MVP (PARKER) out of this series and they would still have a 3-0 lead. Absolutely ridiculous. The East is WEAK, time to have east play west in the first round of the playoffs, one in the east vs eight in the west; that way, if the best 8 teams are in one conference, then at least you would have the two best teams against each other in the final.
As it was this year, the final was played in the second round: Phoenix vs S.A. The rest has been anti-climatic.
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
LMFAO@LeBron James being mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats. I know some people are currently slapping themselves for that one...
What else can LBJ do? The SPURS are vastly superior to the Cavs in every possible way. The Cavs do not have a second option, or any other player capable of playing consistently. Like i previously said, NO PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL COULD REPLACE LEBRON AND LEAD THEM TO A TITLE OVER THIS SPURS TEAM. Its as simple as that. The CAvs suck, they have no offense, their supposed second best player is injured, etc. Lebron hasn't been great, but at the same time, EVERY SINGLE BASKET he has scored has been a high degree of difficulty; the Spurs can key on him as they know noone else can do shit to them.
Comparing Lebron to the greats is not as much of a stretch as saying the Lakers had a chance of winning the title. Slap yourself.
And like i said, the Spurs are so much better than the Cavs, you could take the MVP (PARKER) out of this series and they would still have a 3-0 lead. Absolutely ridiculous. The East is WEAK, time to have east play west in the first round of the playoffs, one in the east vs eight in the west; that way, if the best 8 teams are in one conference, then at least you would have the two best teams against each other in the final.
As it was this year, the final was played in the second round: Phoenix vs S.A. The rest has been anti-climatic.
Based on watching LeBron play in these finals, the Cavs don't even have a first option! THE GAME WAS WIDE OPEN FOR THE TAKING LAST NIGHT. LeBron can't even break a double team!...Jordan and Kobe are two players capable of upsetting the Spurs in LeBron's shoes...Throw Kareem, Wilt, and Magic on that list as well... Dude has A LOT of growing to do, there's no way around it...Also, the Suns were never playing for the championship. Spurs became champs as soon as Dallas choked again...PeACe
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
Thank you for once again proving that you don't know shiet about basketball.
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
Thank you for once again proving that you don't know shiet about basketball.
ROFLMFAO@BabyG speaking on basketball knowledge...How did I prove that when Tony Parker is considered the current Finals MVP, moron?
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
LMFAO@LeBron James being mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats. I know some people are currently slapping themselves for that one...
What else can LBJ do? The SPURS are vastly superior to the Cavs in every possible way. The Cavs do not have a second option, or any other player capable of playing consistently. Like i previously said, NO PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL COULD REPLACE LEBRON AND LEAD THEM TO A TITLE OVER THIS SPURS TEAM. Its as simple as that. The CAvs suck, they have no offense, their supposed second best player is injured, etc. Lebron hasn't been great, but at the same time, EVERY SINGLE BASKET he has scored has been a high degree of difficulty; the Spurs can key on him as they know noone else can do shit to them.
Comparing Lebron to the greats is not as much of a stretch as saying the Lakers had a chance of winning the title. Slap yourself.
And like i said, the Spurs are so much better than the Cavs, you could take the MVP (PARKER) out of this series and they would still have a 3-0 lead. Absolutely ridiculous. The East is WEAK, time to have east play west in the first round of the playoffs, one in the east vs eight in the west; that way, if the best 8 teams are in one conference, then at least you would have the two best teams against each other in the final.
As it was this year, the final was played in the second round: Phoenix vs S.A. The rest has been anti-climatic.
Based on watching LeBron play in these finals, the Cavs don't even have a first option! THE GAME WAS WIDE OPEN FOR THE TAKING LAST NIGHT. LeBron can't even break a double team!...Jordan and Kobe are two players capable of upsetting the Spurs in LeBron's shoes...Throw Kareem, Wilt, and Magic on that list as well... Dude has A LOT of growing to do, there's no way around it...Also, the Suns were never playing for the championship. Spurs became champs as soon as Dallas choked again...PeACe
Why you gotta bring Kobe into this shit? He has NEVER lead a team to a finals so leave him out of that select group until he does. The rest may have a chance, but i doubt it.
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
Thank you for once again proving that you don't know shiet about basketball.
ROFLMFAO@BabyG speaking on basketball knowledge...How did I prove that when Tony Parker is considered the current Finals MVP, moron?
You just said Duncan is barely the best player on the Spurs. Erase your account then kill yourself.
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
LMFAO@LeBron James being mentioned in the same breath as the all-time greats. I know some people are currently slapping themselves for that one...
What else can LBJ do? The SPURS are vastly superior to the Cavs in every possible way. The Cavs do not have a second option, or any other player capable of playing consistently. Like i previously said, NO PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL COULD REPLACE LEBRON AND LEAD THEM TO A TITLE OVER THIS SPURS TEAM. Its as simple as that. The CAvs suck, they have no offense, their supposed second best player is injured, etc. Lebron hasn't been great, but at the same time, EVERY SINGLE BASKET he has scored has been a high degree of difficulty; the Spurs can key on him as they know noone else can do shit to them.
Comparing Lebron to the greats is not as much of a stretch as saying the Lakers had a chance of winning the title. Slap yourself.
And like i said, the Spurs are so much better than the Cavs, you could take the MVP (PARKER) out of this series and they would still have a 3-0 lead. Absolutely ridiculous. The East is WEAK, time to have east play west in the first round of the playoffs, one in the east vs eight in the west; that way, if the best 8 teams are in one conference, then at least you would have the two best teams against each other in the final.
As it was this year, the final was played in the second round: Phoenix vs S.A. The rest has been anti-climatic.
Based on watching LeBron play in these finals, the Cavs don't even have a first option! THE GAME WAS WIDE OPEN FOR THE TAKING LAST NIGHT. LeBron can't even break a double team!...Jordan and Kobe are two players capable of upsetting the Spurs in LeBron's shoes...Throw Kareem, Wilt, and Magic on that list as well... Dude has A LOT of growing to do, there's no way around it...Also, the Suns were never playing for the championship. Spurs became champs as soon as Dallas choked again...PeACe
Why you gotta bring Kobe into this shit? He has NEVER lead a team to a finals so leave him out of that select group until he does. The rest may have a chance, but i doubt it.
The difference is, Kobe won rings, like those players, and LeBron hasn't...Kobe is on the level of a Magic, a Jordan, a West, a Bird...LeBron ISN'T.
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
Thank you for once again proving that you don't know shiet about basketball.
ROFLMFAO@BabyG speaking on basketball knowledge...How did I prove that when Tony Parker is considered the current Finals MVP, moron?
You just said Duncan is barely the best player on the Spurs. Erase your account then kill yourself.
Moron, if Tony Parker is currently the Finals MVP and was an MVP candidate, what does that say about the current state of the Spurs? Not saying Duncan isn't the best player, idiot, but he's not _BY FAR_ the best on his team, like a Kobe or a Dirk. He has 2 other superstars that he's playing alongside. Acknowledge that he's no longer in his prime, dumbfuck...PeACe
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
Thank you for once again proving that you don't know shiet about basketball.
ROFLMFAO@BabyG speaking on basketball knowledge...How did I prove that when Tony Parker is considered the current Finals MVP, moron?
You just said Duncan is barely the best player on the Spurs. Erase your account then kill yourself.
Moron, if Tony Parker is currently the Finals MVP and was an MVP candidate, what does that say about the current state of the Spurs? Not saying Duncan isn't the best player, idiot, but he's not _BY FAR_ the best on his team, like a Kobe or a Dirk. He has 2 other superstars that he's playing alongside. Acknowledge that he's no longer in his prime, dumbfuck...PeACe
He doesn't need to be in his prime to be the best player on the team. Take Duncan off this team - they're the Phoenix Suns. Take Parker off - they're leading the series 2-1.
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LOL@Duncan being the best player in the league when he's barely the best on his team
Thank you for once again proving that you don't know shiet about basketball.
ROFLMFAO@BabyG speaking on basketball knowledge...How did I prove that when Tony Parker is considered the current Finals MVP, moron?
You just said Duncan is barely the best player on the Spurs. Erase your account then kill yourself.
Moron, if Tony Parker is currently the Finals MVP and was an MVP candidate, what does that say about the current state of the Spurs? Not saying Duncan isn't the best player, idiot, but he's not _BY FAR_ the best on his team, like a Kobe or a Dirk. He has 2 other superstars that he's playing alongside. Acknowledge that he's no longer in his prime, dumbfuck...PeACe
He doesn't need to be in his prime to be the best player on the team. Take Duncan off this team - they're the Phoenix Suns. Take Parker off - they're leading the series 2-1.
Being in your prime doesn't mean anything. Duncan has more leadership and more experience than anybody on that team. As GB said, take Timmy away from the Spurs and you have a flashy run-and-gun team that is comparable to the Spurs. The Spurs are great on defense because they know if they mess up, Duncan is behind them to alter, block, deter, steal, or whatever to the ball. Statistically, Duncan isn't the best player. But he also doesn't demand to be the star ala Kobe.
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
Kobe wanted to be the star from 99-04, but he couldn't because Shaq was too damn good. When Shaq slowed down, then he opened his mouth and blew his chances of winning anything.
And again, Duncan is not the best player on his team statistically. But if you take him away, Parker doesn't get open looks. Ginobili doesn't get open looks. Bowen isn't as good on defense. The Spurs make the playoffs, but don't win any titles.
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
Kobe wanted to be the star from 99-04, but he couldn't because Shaq was too damn good. When Shaq slowed down, then he opened his mouth and blew his chances of winning anything.
And again, Duncan is not the best player on his team statistically. But if you take him away, Parker doesn't get open looks. Ginobili doesn't get open looks. Bowen isn't as good on defense. The Spurs make the playoffs, but don't win any titles.
Wow, you really know what's up, huh? Thanks for proving my point. LOL@"Kobe wanted to be the star." Kobe deferred to Shaq for years to win championships, when he coulda' been the first option on any other team...he even deferred to Shaq when he was the best player in the league...Shaq was too immature to not be the 1st option and he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight, even when he was obviously slowing down. He threatened to not rebound or play defense if the offense runs through Kobe (which Phil Jackson called for)...Kobe was the good guy in this.. as soon as Phil asked Kobe to back off cuz Shaq was being a baby, he did, with NO questions asked...I obviously know more on the situation, so please don't speak on it as if you know what you're saying when you really don't. Duncan is the best player on his team...But AGAIN, he has superstars surrounding him. Replace Dwight Howard with Tim Duncan, and Orlando would still be far from a championship team...One player doesn't win it all. EVER...PeACe
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
Kobe wanted to be the star from 99-04, but he couldn't because Shaq was too damn good. When Shaq slowed down, then he opened his mouth and blew his chances of winning anything.
And again, Duncan is not the best player on his team statistically. But if you take him away, Parker doesn't get open looks. Ginobili doesn't get open looks. Bowen isn't as good on defense. The Spurs make the playoffs, but don't win any titles.
Wow, you really know what's up, huh? Thanks for proving my point. LOL@"Kobe wanted to be the star." Kobe deferred to Shaq for years to win championships, when he coulda' been the first option on any other team...he even deferred to Shaq when he was the best player in the league...Shaq was too immature to not be the 1st option and he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight, even when he was obviously slowing down. He threatened to not rebound or play defense if the offense runs through Kobe (which Phil Jackson called for)...Kobe was the good guy in this.. as soon as Phil asked Kobe to back off cuz Shaq was being a baby, he did, with NO questions asked...I obviously know more on the situation, so please don't speak on it as if you know what you're saying when you really don't. Duncan is the best player on his team...But AGAIN, he has superstars surrounding him. Replace Dwight Howard with Tim Duncan, and Orlando would still be far from a championship team...One player doesn't win it all. EVER...PeACe
You are exactly right NIK, one player cannot win it all. Which is exactly why Cleveland never had a chance to win this series, and exactly why the Lakers will not go anywhere until they add a player or two, and Kobe learns to play team ball.
And i love it how you act like you and Kobe are boys or something. Kobe doesn't know you, doesn't care about you, what makes you think you know more about his situation than everyone else??? Do you talk to him, or are your judgements based off what you see and hear in the media?
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
Kobe wanted to be the star from 99-04, but he couldn't because Shaq was too damn good. When Shaq slowed down, then he opened his mouth and blew his chances of winning anything.
And again, Duncan is not the best player on his team statistically. But if you take him away, Parker doesn't get open looks. Ginobili doesn't get open looks. Bowen isn't as good on defense. The Spurs make the playoffs, but don't win any titles.
Wow, you really know what's up, huh? Thanks for proving my point. LOL@"Kobe wanted to be the star." Kobe deferred to Shaq for years to win championships, when he coulda' been the first option on any other team...he even deferred to Shaq when he was the best player in the league...Shaq was too immature to not be the 1st option and he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight, even when he was obviously slowing down. He threatened to not rebound or play defense if the offense runs through Kobe (which Phil Jackson called for)...Kobe was the good guy in this.. as soon as Phil asked Kobe to back off cuz Shaq was being a baby, he did, with NO questions asked...I obviously know more on the situation, so please don't speak on it as if you know what you're saying when you really don't. Duncan is the best player on his team...But AGAIN, he has superstars surrounding him. Replace Dwight Howard with Tim Duncan, and Orlando would still be far from a championship team...One player doesn't win it all. EVER...PeACe
You are exactly right NIK, one player cannot win it all. Which is exactly why Cleveland never had a chance to win this series, and exactly why the Lakers will not go anywhere until they add a player or two, and Kobe learns to play team ball.
And i love it how you act like you and Kobe are boys or something. Kobe doesn't know you, doesn't care about you, what makes you think you know more about his situation than everyone else??? Do you talk to him, or are your judgements based off what you see and hear in the media?
I thought Kobe had NIK on speed dial number 2...
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
Kobe wanted to be the star from 99-04, but he couldn't because Shaq was too damn good. When Shaq slowed down, then he opened his mouth and blew his chances of winning anything.
And again, Duncan is not the best player on his team statistically. But if you take him away, Parker doesn't get open looks. Ginobili doesn't get open looks. Bowen isn't as good on defense. The Spurs make the playoffs, but don't win any titles.
Wow, you really know what's up, huh? Thanks for proving my point. LOL@"Kobe wanted to be the star." Kobe deferred to Shaq for years to win championships, when he coulda' been the first option on any other team...he even deferred to Shaq when he was the best player in the league...Shaq was too immature to not be the 1st option and he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight, even when he was obviously slowing down. He threatened to not rebound or play defense if the offense runs through Kobe (which Phil Jackson called for)...Kobe was the good guy in this.. as soon as Phil asked Kobe to back off cuz Shaq was being a baby, he did, with NO questions asked...I obviously know more on the situation, so please don't speak on it as if you know what you're saying when you really don't. Duncan is the best player on his team...But AGAIN, he has superstars surrounding him. Replace Dwight Howard with Tim Duncan, and Orlando would still be far from a championship team...One player doesn't win it all. EVER...PeACe
You are exactly right NIK, one player cannot win it all. Which is exactly why Cleveland never had a chance to win this series, and exactly why the Lakers will not go anywhere until they add a player or two, and Kobe learns to play team ball.
And i love it how you act like you and Kobe are boys or something. Kobe doesn't know you, doesn't care about you, what makes you think you know more about his situation than everyone else??? Do you talk to him, or are your judgements based off what you see and hear in the media?
I've read books by those within/close to the organization detailing the situation. I'm pretty sure you haven't...How is Kobe not a team player if he deferred for most of his career and sacrificed his game to win rings, while being able to lead any other team in the league? MAKE SENSE!
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
Kobe wanted to be the star from 99-04, but he couldn't because Shaq was too damn good. When Shaq slowed down, then he opened his mouth and blew his chances of winning anything.
And again, Duncan is not the best player on his team statistically. But if you take him away, Parker doesn't get open looks. Ginobili doesn't get open looks. Bowen isn't as good on defense. The Spurs make the playoffs, but don't win any titles.
Wow, you really know what's up, huh? Thanks for proving my point. LOL@"Kobe wanted to be the star." Kobe deferred to Shaq for years to win championships, when he coulda' been the first option on any other team...he even deferred to Shaq when he was the best player in the league...Shaq was too immature to not be the 1st option and he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight, even when he was obviously slowing down. He threatened to not rebound or play defense if the offense runs through Kobe (which Phil Jackson called for)...Kobe was the good guy in this.. as soon as Phil asked Kobe to back off cuz Shaq was being a baby, he did, with NO questions asked...I obviously know more on the situation, so please don't speak on it as if you know what you're saying when you really don't. Duncan is the best player on his team...But AGAIN, he has superstars surrounding him. Replace Dwight Howard with Tim Duncan, and Orlando would still be far from a championship team...One player doesn't win it all. EVER...PeACe
You are exactly right NIK, one player cannot win it all. Which is exactly why Cleveland never had a chance to win this series, and exactly why the Lakers will not go anywhere until they add a player or two, and Kobe learns to play team ball.
And i love it how you act like you and Kobe are boys or something. Kobe doesn't know you, doesn't care about you, what makes you think you know more about his situation than everyone else??? Do you talk to him, or are your judgements based off what you see and hear in the media?
I've read books by those within/close to the organization detailing the situation. I'm pretty sure you haven't...How is Kobe not a team player if he deferred for most of his career and sacrificed his game to win rings, while being able to lead any other team in the league? MAKE SENSE!
Books are one-sided...much like your arguments.
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shortie can't eat no books
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LOL@Kobe demanding to be the star. Someone didn't watch basketball from 1999-2004...And it's not BabyG.
Fact of the matter is, Duncan ISN'T currently the best on his team by a mile...Only an idiot would argue that.
Kobe wanted to be the star from 99-04, but he couldn't because Shaq was too damn good. When Shaq slowed down, then he opened his mouth and blew his chances of winning anything.
And again, Duncan is not the best player on his team statistically. But if you take him away, Parker doesn't get open looks. Ginobili doesn't get open looks. Bowen isn't as good on defense. The Spurs make the playoffs, but don't win any titles.
Wow, you really know what's up, huh? Thanks for proving my point. LOL@"Kobe wanted to be the star." Kobe deferred to Shaq for years to win championships, when he coulda' been the first option on any other team...he even deferred to Shaq when he was the best player in the league...Shaq was too immature to not be the 1st option and he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight, even when he was obviously slowing down. He threatened to not rebound or play defense if the offense runs through Kobe (which Phil Jackson called for)...Kobe was the good guy in this.. as soon as Phil asked Kobe to back off cuz Shaq was being a baby, he did, with NO questions asked...I obviously know more on the situation, so please don't speak on it as if you know what you're saying when you really don't. Duncan is the best player on his team...But AGAIN, he has superstars surrounding him. Replace Dwight Howard with Tim Duncan, and Orlando would still be far from a championship team...One player doesn't win it all. EVER...PeACe
You are exactly right NIK, one player cannot win it all. Which is exactly why Cleveland never had a chance to win this series, and exactly why the Lakers will not go anywhere until they add a player or two, and Kobe learns to play team ball.
And i love it how you act like you and Kobe are boys or something. Kobe doesn't know you, doesn't care about you, what makes you think you know more about his situation than everyone else??? Do you talk to him, or are your judgements based off what you see and hear in the media?
I've read books by those within/close to the organization detailing the situation. I'm pretty sure you haven't...How is Kobe not a team player if he deferred for most of his career and sacrificed his game to win rings, while being able to lead any other team in the league? MAKE SENSE!
Books are one-sided...much like your arguments.
All of what I say is based on facts though. Facts can't be one-sided...They're just facts.
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If somebody wrote a book from inside the organization it was taken from Shaq's perspective or Kobe's perspective, not from a neutral perspective.
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If somebody wrote a book from inside the organization it was taken from Shaq's perspective or Kobe's perspective, not from a neutral perspective.
That is possibly the dumbest conclusion I've ever heard.
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And here come the referees...
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Great, another non-Laker thread turned into a discussion about Shaq and Kobe. Gay.
But yeah, Spurs just won damn it. 16 seconds left, but it's over. And Tony Parker's fiancee is hot.