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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: teecee on June 03, 2007, 11:31:36 PM
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Now, of course this is written by someone in the media, so it must be bullshit or further attemt to brainwash, but it does make some interesting points.
Kobe should take a page from LeBron's book
Mark Kriegel / FOXSports.com
As viewed from Los Angeles, a town that has been more egregiously indulgent of Kobe Bryant than any of its teen starlets, the Cavaliers post-game press conference came as a welcome event. After Cleveland's improbable victory over the Detroit Pistons, one would expect LeBron James at the podium. Less expected, however, was one Daniel "Boobie" Gibson, a second-round pick out of Texas.
LeBron James took Daniel Gibson under his wing, and 'Boobie' has paid him back in full. (Amy Sancetta / Associated Press)
At 21, Boobie's not much. He's neither big, nor, as his draft status suggests, did he arrive in Cleveland with much of a rep. In fact, he spent most of his rookie season — the regular portion of which concluded with averages of 16.5 minutes and 4.5 points — on the bench.
In other words, he's exactly the kind of scrub Kobe Bryant would whine about having to play with.
But there he was, the unlikely hero of an historic upset. His line in the boxscore included 31 points, 19 in the fourth quarter when Detroit and Rasheed Wallace imploded for the last time.
When asked to what he attributed his great good fortune, Gibson could not have been more clear.
"From day one," he said, "LeBron's been in my corner."
I found myself wondering if Kobe was watching. I sure hoped he was, as he had subjected me to a miserable couple of days during which he thought to air his demands. Said demands might be summarized thusly:
Trade me. I want to be a Laker. Trade me. I want to be a Laker. Trade me. I want to be a Laker for life.
Lindsay Lohan made more sense when the cops pulled her over on Sunset for suspicion of drunk driving. HA HA HA
In keeping with this starlet theme, one can't help but think the timing of the tantrum had something to do with the ascent of James and the Cavaliers. Perhaps Kobe couldn't stand the lack of attention this time of year. Or, perhaps he knows that the comparison with LeBron James does not flatter him at all.
Bryant keeps complaining about the Lakers' lack of talent. But with the case of Boobie Gibson now in evidence, I would submit that there's not much difference between the talent level surrounding James and Bryant. In fact, let's dispatch right here with the fictitious notion that the Lakers without Kobe are a bunch of scrubs. LeBron James doesn't have anyone nearly as talented as Lamar Odom. The difference is how each star treats the talent around him.
Can you imagine any of the Lakers saying about Kobe what Gibson said about LeBron?
No.
Boobie Gibson went on about how James would encourage him after practice. "Keep shooting," he told the rookie. "Don't worry about nothing."
"My teammates," said James, "(are) my family."
To watch the Cleveland-Detroit series was to acknowledge James' greatness. He shoots when he has to, and from as far as need be. He can attack the rim like Bryant, but see the court like Magic Johnson. Still, his strength and quickness suggest yet another Laker legend, James Worthy. But even more striking than his individual attributes was the unmistakable sense that guys liked playing with, and for, LeBron James.
Last month, on the eve of the Cavaliers engagement with the Nets, Richard Jefferson was asked to assess the degree of difficulty in trying to guard James. The key, said Jefferson, was "he gets his teammates involved...It's not just the LeBron show. He's not a Kobe Bryant where he's just going to go out there and score at all costs."
Great players are supposed to endow the players around them with greatness. Kobe Bryant does not. While James is about winning, Kobe is about Kobe.
Kobe Bryant is driving a wedge between him and the rest of the Lakers.
In relation to his teammates, Bryant inhabits a parallel universe, separate and unequal. Perhaps you recall former Laker Chucky Atkins remarking with some frustration, "Kobe's the GM of this team." I'll not forget the way he showed up his teammate, Luke Walton, who had the temerity to pass the ball back to him during an overtime loss to the Knicks. And while there's some fantastic revisionism emanating from the Lakers' high command, you may remember that even his own coach couldn't stand him.
You think anything has really changed?
Kobe Bryant doesn't instill confidence in the guys in the locker room. He communicates by text message.
In fairness, it's worth mentioning that Bryant plays in the West, where the Cavaliers would have had a much more difficult time. Also, there were injuries to key Lakers this past season, especially the one to Lamar Odom. But this idea that Bryant cannot deign to trust his teammates is nonsense. No one's asking him to trust Boobie Gibson. Again, put Bryant in context: this is a guy who couldn't trust Shaquille O'Neal.
Kobe Bryant is going to be 29 soon, and entering his 12th NBA season. He provided a partial template for LeBron James. He was the first, a basketball prodigy with a huge sneaker deal before he left high school.
James is only 22, and about to play in his first Finals. But this gap in age and experience counts for nothing now. It is James who now sets the example. In watching him, Bryant may yet learn the difference between a starlet and a star.
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good article, i couldn't have articulated that better.
fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes.
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I read that article every year with a different name...Wade, LeBron, T-Mac, Vince... :laugh:
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Not a fair article at all. First of all, Lebron is only 22 - he has plenty of time left in his career (unless, God forbid, a Penny Hardaway like injury kicks in). Kobe is 28. In the prime of his career. He doesn't have time to sit back and wait for Smush Parker or Sasha Vujacic to develop.
Besides, Daniel Gibson was predicted to be a lottery pick, everyone was surprised he slipped all the way to the second round. It's not like Lebron is out there playing with a "scrub".
And like NIK said, its the same thing every year about a player in the Eastern Conference who has a very talented diamond in the ruff. Put Kobe in the East, on a team with a coach that doesn't despise rookies, and give him some talented young players such as Marcus Williams, Jason Kapono, Dorrell Wright, or Daniel Gibson. It's not like Kobe made the management trade any players of that stature away.
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It's not surprising to me at all, though, that you take example from pure hate articles like this, containing nothing but bias. You truly can read this and say this guy doesn't have anything against Kobe? LMAO. And you have the audacity to call me bias?
Mark Kriegal is one of those guys who loves to bash the shit out of Kobe, you should know better... Dude said that Kobe isn't about winning! Think about it...LOL As if Kobe didn't instill his confidence in Smush for 2 years in a row? The Kobe haters wants people to believe the Cavs don't have a better supporting cast with experienced vets and all-star caliber players, he wants you to forget that Kobe is a much better defender than LeBron, yet the players on Cleveland are capable of playing superior TEAM defense to the Lakers...Article fits you perfect...PeACe
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Not a fair article at all. First of all, Lebron is only 22 - he has plenty of time left in his career (unless, God forbid, a Penny Hardaway like injury kicks in). Kobe is 28. In the prime of his career. He doesn't have time to sit back and wait for Smush Parker or Sasha Vujacic to develop.
Besides, Daniel Gibson was predicted to be a lottery pick, everyone was surprised he slipped all the way to the second round. It's not like Lebron is out there playing with a "scrub".
And like NIK said, its the same thing every year about a player in the Eastern Conference who has a very talented diamond in the ruff. Put Kobe in the East, on a team with a coach that doesn't despise rookies, and give him some talented young players such as Marcus Williams, Jason Kapono, Dorrell Wright, or Daniel Gibson. It's not like Kobe made the management trade any players of that stature away.
It's always like this with the great ones...When a player does something great, who are they ALWAYS compared to in the end? :D........ that alone says a lot.
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good article, i couldn't have articulated that better.
fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes.
couldnt have said it better
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good article, i couldn't have articulated that better.
fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes.
couldnt have said it better
I'll say it better for you
what amazes me is how people ride lebron james over kobe. i don't see it. i can't wait til the olympics , i believe kobe will bring the gold back home.
;D
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It's not surprising to me at all, though, that you take example from pure hate articles like this, containing nothing but bias.
I'm not going to sit here and say LeBron is better then Kobe, but it seems to me has I read these boards that you are always quick to bash LeBron in every thread he is mentioned. And I just think you’re the last person that should be complaining about someone else writing an article on pure hate and bias. Seeing has you do it everyday.
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It's not surprising to me at all, though, that you take example from pure hate articles like this, containing nothing but bias.
I'm not going to sit here and say LeBron is better then Kobe, but it seems to me has I read these boards that you are always quick to bash LeBron in every thread he is mentioned. And I just think you’re the last person that should be complaining about someone else writing an article on pure hate and bias. Seeing has you do it everyday.
I think LeBron is a very good player with lots of room to grow. However, I do think he is highly overrated and is getting a lot of excessive media attention for being the hot player of the moment (ala Wade, Vince, T-Mac, etc.) and those players ALWAYS get compared to Kobe when it's all said and done year after year. Fact of the matter is, none of them are close, and the NBA can't have that...Kobe CAN NOT be the face of the league. It's my opinion, and I'd say my opinion is more credible than your typical Kobe-hating sports journalist. If you think otherwise, that's fine, but people need to quit acting like I'm saying shit that's out of line...PeACe
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It's not surprising to me at all, though, that you take example from pure hate articles like this, containing nothing but bias.
I'm not going to sit here and say LeBron is better then Kobe, but it seems to me has I read these boards that you are always quick to bash LeBron in every thread he is mentioned. And I just think you’re the last person that should be complaining about someone else writing an article on pure hate and bias. Seeing has you do it everyday.
I think LeBron is a very good player with lots of room to grow. However, I do think he is highly overrated and is getting a lot of excessive media attention for being the hot player of the moment (ala .) and those players ALWAYS get compared to Kobe when it's all said and done year after year. Fact of the matter is, none of them are close, and the NBA can't have that...Kobe CAN NOT be the face of the league. It's my opinion, and I'd say my opinion is more credible than your typical Kobe-hating sports journalist. If you think otherwise, that's fine, but people need to quit acting like I'm saying shit that's out of line...PeACe
I can see where you’re coming from but I still think you’re pretty harsh on LeBron. I see you mention Wade, Vince, T-Mac, etc, and putting James in that same class. But I don't think he is "this Year's hot player of the moment", I don't think that’s a fare assessment of how good he is no matter how overrated you think he is. I would think a Kobe fan of all people would understand how shitty it is to always be called the next... instead of just Kobe. I understand a lot of people get sick of hearing about how good LeBron is because it does seem like the media and advertisers are shoving him down your throat. But take it from me, I've been lucky enough to have seen him play since he was in 9th grade. His freshman high in H.S was my freshman year in college and he played all his home games in our arena about 3 blocks from my house (it was kind of sad that a H.S team would sell out all of their games and AKron U couldn't). But I 've seen him mature at an unbelievably fast pace all the while handling fame and fortue so well unlike any of the players you compare him too. He's not just the favor of the month he is the real deal. I'll never forget the day we (Cleveland) won that lottery and I knew it was fate, because I think to truely excel in Cleveland you have to understand the city and he does being our home town boy. And I tell you what, saturday night being at the Q watching Lebron hold that Eastern Conferance Trophy over his head, that was speacial, for me and for this city. He truely had the hunger and the drive to win, and he still wants more. Thats somthing you can never rate or overate.
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It's not surprising to me at all, though, that you take example from pure hate articles like this, containing nothing but bias.
I'm not going to sit here and say LeBron is better then Kobe, but it seems to me has I read these boards that you are always quick to bash LeBron in every thread he is mentioned. And I just think you’re the last person that should be complaining about someone else writing an article on pure hate and bias. Seeing has you do it everyday.
I think LeBron is a very good player with lots of room to grow. However, I do think he is highly overrated and is getting a lot of excessive media attention for being the hot player of the moment (ala .) and those players ALWAYS get compared to Kobe when it's all said and done year after year. Fact of the matter is, none of them are close, and the NBA can't have that...Kobe CAN NOT be the face of the league. It's my opinion, and I'd say my opinion is more credible than your typical Kobe-hating sports journalist. If you think otherwise, that's fine, but people need to quit acting like I'm saying shit that's out of line...PeACe
I can see where you’re coming from but I still think you’re pretty harsh on LeBron. I see you mention Wade, Vince, T-Mac, etc, and putting James in that same class. But I don't think he is "this Year's hot player of the moment", I don't think that’s a fare assessment of how good he is no matter how overrated you think he is. I would think a Kobe fan of all people would understand how shitty it is to always be called the next... instead of just Kobe. I understand a lot of people get sick of hearing about how good LeBron is because it does seem like the media and advertisers are shoving him down your throat. But take it from me, I've been lucky enough to have seen him play since he was in 9th grade. His freshman high in H.S was my freshman year in college and he played all his home games in our arena about 3 blocks from my house (it was kind of sad that a H.S team would sell out all of their games and AKron U couldn't). But I 've seen him mature at an unbelievably fast pace all the while handling fame and fortue so well unlike any of the players you compare him too. He's not just the favor of the month he is the real deal. I'll never forget the day we (Cleveland) won that lottery and I knew it was fate, because I think to truely excel in Cleveland you have to understand the city and he does being our home town boy. And I tell you what, saturday night being at the Q watching Lebron hold that Eastern Conferance Trophy over his head, that was speacial, for me and for this city. He truely had the hunger and the drive to win, and he still wants more. Thats somthing you can never rate or overate.
Props. I respect your opinion. You are way more mature than most of the posters on here...PeACe
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Damn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.
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good article, i couldn't have articulated that better.
fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes.
couldnt have said it better
I'll say it better for you
what amazes me is how people ride lebron james over kobe. i don't see it. i can't wait til the olympics , i believe kobe will bring the gold back home.
;D
at that point lebron really didn't show me anything that t-mac and vince carter have already showed me. like a million people said after game 5. we watched lebron james become a man that night. what i said about lebron from what happenedfrom december 06 and before that i still stand by. but game 5 was a benchmark in his career.
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This is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally.
I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.
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This is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally.
I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.
Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron.
Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on.
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true^
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Damn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.
Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.
And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. :)
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good article, i couldn't have articulated that better.
fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes.
couldnt have said it better
I'll say it better for you
what amazes me is how people ride lebron james over kobe. i don't see it. i can't wait til the olympics , i believe kobe will bring the gold back home.
;D
at that point lebron really didn't show me anything that t-mac and vince carter have already showed me. like a million people said after game 5. we watched lebron james become a man that night. what i said about lebron from what happenedfrom december 06 and before that i still stand by. but game 5 was a benchmark in his career.
LOL@one game against horrible defense swaying your opinion. Will your opinion shift back when he's sent home in the Finals?
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This is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally.
I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.
Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron.
Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on.
Kobe is a better scorer and a better defender, yet he's somehow not the better player. Wow. LOL...
He's not talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in the Laker FO drama...He's talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in him being the pinnacle for young rising superstar comparisons. yesterday it was Wade, today it's LeBron, tomorrow it will be Durant. But it will ALWAYS be Kobe. 8)
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This is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally.
I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.
Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron.
Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on.
Kobe is a better scorer and a better defender, yet he's somehow not the better player. Wow. LOL...
He's not talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in the Laker FO drama...He's talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in him being the pinnacle for young rising superstar comparisons. yesterday it was Wade, today it's LeBron, tomorrow it will be Durant. But it will ALWAYS be Kobe. 8)
Kobe IS a better scorer and defender, but I ask you this: have you ever played the game, or coached it? Do you understand what it is to be part of a team? You also realize there is more to the game then individual scoring or d, right?
Correct me if i am wrong: Lebron is better OVERALL. Lebron is a better rebounder, passer, gets more steals, blocks, AND the kicker: he has LED his team to the finals, something Kobe has yet to do. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but since Shaq has left Kobe hasn't taken his team out of the first round. Whatever the reasons, be it the tougher conference, be it the front office or the other guys fault, Kobe has won as many playoff rounds (as the leader of his team) as T-Mac has. Am i wrong???
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Damn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.
Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.
And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. :)
again that was then this is now. lebron has made steps to spearheading his way to the level of kobe bryant, things CAN change over a year you know? especially when it's a talent like lebron james who's BARELY older than me (22). kobe bryant would never of been able to do that at 22 no way, no how......without shaq. however i still stand by my past statements about lebron. carmello should have been the rookie of the year that year. Team USA would have won the gold if kobe had been on those teams (lebron was only 20-21,but with that said kobe wouldn't have been able to lead team USA to the gold either at that age) . and kobe was better than lebron for all those seasons and years i said that. but you want to act like lebron never grew in the three years he's been in the league.
check it.
2004-2005
Kobe >Lebron
2005-2006
Kobe >Lebron
2006-2007
Kobe~Lebron
he's playing at a level that michael jordan played at , while kobe is playing at a level that Elgin Baylor played at (all stats no rings/wins)
is my opinion on Lebron going to change when the spurs win it all? No, even if they get swept like the magic did in 95' i see ALOT of potential JUST like i saw in the OTHER superstar i saw potential in from that losing series ....Shaquille O'neal. Lebron James is only going to get better. He's probably not going to win it all this season but this is a thunder bolt for all the league to listen to. Kobe Bryant has close to ZERO leadership skills, he's had 10 years to develop them and now a 22 year old clone of him has surpassed him in that department, what else will lebron surpass kobe at in the coming years?
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Correct me if i am wrong: Lebron is better OVERALL. Lebron is a better rebounder, passer, gets more steals, blocks, AND the kicker: he has LED his team to the finals, something Kobe has yet to do. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but since Shaq has left Kobe hasn't taken his team out of the first round. Whatever the reasons, be it the tougher conference, be it the front office or the other guys fault, Kobe has won as many playoff rounds (as the leader of his team) as T-Mac has. Am i wrong???
Lebron James: Kobe Bryant:
PPG 27.3 PPG 31.6
RPG 6.7 RPG 5.7
APG 6.0 APG 5.4
SPG 1.60 SPG 1.44
BPG .71 BPG .47
FG% .476 FG% .463
FT% .698 FT% .868
3P% .319 3P% .344
MPG 40.9 MPG 40.8
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This is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally.
I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.
Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron.
Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on.
Kobe is a better scorer and a better defender, yet he's somehow not the better player. Wow. LOL...
He's not talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in the Laker FO drama...He's talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in him being the pinnacle for young rising superstar comparisons. yesterday it was Wade, today it's LeBron, tomorrow it will be Durant. But it will ALWAYS be Kobe. 8)
Kobe IS a better scorer and defender, but I ask you this: have you ever played the game, or coached it? Do you understand what it is to be part of a team? You also realize there is more to the game then individual scoring or d, right?
Correct me if i am wrong: Lebron is better OVERALL. Lebron is a better rebounder, passer, gets more steals, blocks, AND the kicker: he has LED his team to the finals, something Kobe has yet to do. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but since Shaq has left Kobe hasn't taken his team out of the first round. Whatever the reasons, be it the tougher conference, be it the front office or the other guys fault, Kobe has won as many playoff rounds (as the leader of his team) as T-Mac has. Am i wrong???
LeBron is better overall? That's priceless! LOL. Kobe is better at BOTH ENDS of the floor. Explain to me how that equals LeBron being better overall? Yes, LeBron is more submissive on the offensive end, but that's because he doesn't have that Jordan killer mentality. Kobe has led his team for 3 years (2, considering that first season was expansion and scrapped midway through). Consider what he's done with what he has. LeBron is a good player, but his team was built to win in the East...As for your stat analysis, LeBron gets more steals and blocks cuz he's weak on defense. Those are due to gambles- players with lower defensive stats (ala Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell) are in many cases better defenders than a player who picks up lots of steals and blocks because they can't stay in front of their man and gamble a lot (ala Wade, Lebron). Fact of the matter is:
Better ball-handler=Kobe
Better scorer=Kobe
Better defender=Kobe
Better jumper=Kobe
Better 3=Kobe
Better command of double/triple teams=Kobe
Better in clutch situations=Kobe
B.E.T.T.E.R=Kobe
teecee, do you really think LeBron is currently on Kobe's level? I wanna hear your HONEST opinion...PeACe
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This is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally.
I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.
Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron.
Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on.
Kobe is a better scorer and a better defender, yet he's somehow not the better player. Wow. LOL...
He's not talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in the Laker FO drama...He's talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in him being the pinnacle for young rising superstar comparisons. yesterday it was Wade, today it's LeBron, tomorrow it will be Durant. But it will ALWAYS be Kobe. 8)
Kobe IS a better scorer and defender, but I ask you this: have you ever played the game, or coached it? Do you understand what it is to be part of a team? You also realize there is more to the game then individual scoring or d, right?
Correct me if i am wrong: Lebron is better OVERALL. Lebron is a better rebounder, passer, gets more steals, blocks, AND the kicker: he has LED his team to the finals, something Kobe has yet to do. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but since Shaq has left Kobe hasn't taken his team out of the first round. Whatever the reasons, be it the tougher conference, be it the front office or the other guys fault, Kobe has won as many playoff rounds (as the leader of his team) as T-Mac has. Am i wrong???
One thing that people seem to forget is that Shaq and Lebron's teams were built around them. Kobe didn't have that luxury in the same way. From the millisecond that Cleveland realized that the #2 pick went to the Pistons, they knew Lebron was the future and the person they would build their team around. Jerry West said Kobe had an amazing workout, but they didn't draft him expecting to build the entire team around him in the same fashion...and when they signed Shaq, they knew that he was the main item they'd be building around.
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Damn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.
Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.
And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. :)
again that was then this is now. lebron has made steps to spearheading his way to the level of kobe bryant, things CAN change over a year you know? especially when it's a talent like lebron james who's BARELY older than me (22). kobe bryant would never of been able to do that at 22 no way, no how......without shaq. however i still stand by my past statements about lebron. carmello should have been the rookie of the year that year. Team USA would have won the gold if kobe had been on those teams (lebron was only 20-21,but with that said kobe wouldn't have been able to lead team USA to the gold either at that age) . and kobe was better than lebron for all those seasons and years i said that. but you want to act like lebron never grew in the three years he's been in the league.
check it.
2004-2005
Kobe >Lebron
2005-2006
Kobe >Lebron
2006-2007
Kobe~Lebron
he's playing at a level that michael jordan played at , while kobe is playing at a level that Elgin Baylor played at (all stats no rings/wins)
is my opinion on Lebron going to change when the spurs win it all? No, even if they get swept like the magic did in 95' i see ALOT of potential JUST like i saw in the OTHER superstar i saw potential in from that losing series ....Shaquille O'neal. Lebron James is only going to get better. He's probably not going to win it all this season but this is a thunder bolt for all the league to listen to. Kobe Bryant has close to ZERO leadership skills, he's had 10 years to develop them and now a 22 year old clone of him has surpassed him in that department, what else will lebron surpass kobe at in the coming years?
DUDE, LeBron had a WORSE season. LOL. He didn't grow, that was everyones huge concern with him before this Detroit series, which suddenly made LeBron "so" amazing. How does one good series where the team matches up horribly against you take you from being heavily doubted to "Michael Jordan level"? And he didn't even have a great series as a whole, it was really that one great game where he scored 48 points in a double overtime game that made the media bust a nut...you truly think LeBron is playing at Michael Jordan level? HAHAHAHAHA. That's classic, Jake. Jordan in his prime would have swept these pistons. 3Peat Kobe on this cavs team woulda tortured these Pistons as well...Your claims are outrageous, man. LeBron subsided his game this season. Only someone with very little knowledge in regards to the game (OR a Kobe hater/LeBron dickrider) would say LeBron is currently on the level of a Kobe. Sorry, but that's the truth man...PeACe
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here's a more fair comparison
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Kobe B: 96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 .417 .375 .819 0.7 1.2 1.9 1.3 0.7 0.3 1.58 1.40 7.6
LebroN:03-04 CLE 79 79 39.5 .417 .290 .754 1.3 4.2 5.5 5.9 1.6 0.7 3.46 1.90 20.9
Rookie seasons in summary: Kobe is a better shooter on the line and behind the arc and makes less turnovers, however lebron is a better rebounder and Defender also a better distributor
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Kobe B: 97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 .428 .341 .794 1.0 2.1 3.1 2.5 0.9 0.5 1.99 2.30 15.4
LebroN:04-05 CLE 80 80 42.4 .472 .351 .750 1.4 6.0 7.4 7.2 2.2 0.6 3.28 1.80 27.2
Soph year In Summary: Kobe is a better free throw shooter, but lebron james is a better shooter rebounder and defender. Also a better distributor
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Kobe B: 98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 .465 .267 .839 1.1 4.2 5.3 3.8 1.4 1.0 3.14 3.10 19.9
LebroN:05-06 CLE 79 79 42.5 .480 .335 .738 0.9 6.1 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.29 2.30 31.4
3rd year in summary: Kobe is a better free throw shooter and commits less turnovers. However Lebron James is a better shooter, Rebounder and Defender. Also better distributor
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Kobe B: 99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 .468 .319 .821 1.6 4.7 6.3 4.9 1.6 0.9 2.76 3.30 22.5
LebroN:06-07 CLE 78 78 40.9 .476 .319 .698 1.1 5.7 6.7 6.0 1.6 0.7 3.21 2.20 27.3
Championship years in summary: Kobe is a better free throw shooter .Lebron James is a better scorer and distributor, both are equal when it ocmes to the three point line defense and rebounding
like i said Lebron James ~ Kobe Bryant
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Damn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.
Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.
And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. :)
again that was then this is now. lebron has made steps to spearheading his way to the level of kobe bryant, things CAN change over a year you know? especially when it's a talent like lebron james who's BARELY older than me (22). kobe bryant would never of been able to do that at 22 no way, no how......without shaq. however i still stand by my past statements about lebron. carmello should have been the rookie of the year that year. Team USA would have won the gold if kobe had been on those teams (lebron was only 20-21,but with that said kobe wouldn't have been able to lead team USA to the gold either at that age) . and kobe was better than lebron for all those seasons and years i said that. but you want to act like lebron never grew in the three years he's been in the league.
check it.
2004-2005
Kobe >Lebron
2005-2006
Kobe >Lebron
2006-2007
Kobe~Lebron
he's playing at a level that michael jordan played at , while kobe is playing at a level that Elgin Baylor played at (all stats no rings/wins)
is my opinion on Lebron going to change when the spurs win it all? No, even if they get swept like the magic did in 95' i see ALOT of potential JUST like i saw in the OTHER superstar i saw potential in from that losing series ....Shaquille O'neal. Lebron James is only going to get better. He's probably not going to win it all this season but this is a thunder bolt for all the league to listen to. Kobe Bryant has close to ZERO leadership skills, he's had 10 years to develop them and now a 22 year old clone of him has surpassed him in that department, what else will lebron surpass kobe at in the coming years?
DUDE, LeBron had a WORSE season. LOL. He didn't grow, that was everyones huge concern with him before this Detroit series, which suddenly made LeBron "so" amazing. How does one good series where the team matches up horribly against you take you from being heavily doubted to "Michael Jordan level"? And he didn't even have a great series as a whole, it was really that one great game where he scored 48 points in a double overtime game that made the media bust a nut...you truly think LeBron is playing at Michael Jordan level? HAHAHAHAHA. That's classic, Jake. Jordan in his prime would have swept these pistons. 3Peat Kobe on this cavs team woulda tortured these Pistons as well...Your claims are outrageous, man. LeBron subsided his game this season. Only someone with very little knowledge in regards to the game (OR a Kobe hater/LeBron dickrider) would say LeBron is currently on the level of a Kobe. Sorry, but that's the truth man...PeACe
Year Tm G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 .450 .347 .850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.90 35.4
06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 .463 .344 .868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.70 31.6
Year Tm G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 CLE 79 79 42.5 .480 .335 .738 0.9 6.1 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.29 2.30 31.4
06-07 CLE 78 78 40.9 .476 .319 .698 1.1 5.7 6.7 6.0 1.6 0.7 3.21 2.20 27.3
lol they both had "WORSE" years than their previous years. lol
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^^LMAO, Jake, you're something else, man. LeBron is a better defender? AHAHAHA! How? Because he picks up more steals and blocks? Come on, you should know better than that! LeBron is known as a weak defender for a reason. A player who can't stay in front of his man will generally pick up more steals and blocks off of gambles, very surprised you'd compare defensive stats and call LEBRON a "better defender". :laugh:
EVEN THE LEBRON DICKRIDING MEDIA didn't have the luxury of saying LeBron had a better season than Kobe...You're breaking grounds here with your hate for Kobe...Okay, LeBron is a better REBOUNDER. That's what he has on Kobe. ONE OF HIS TASKS IS REBOUNDING, THOUGH. He's one of the bigger sized players on his team and plays the post a lot! And I wonder why he gets so many assist? He passes a lot because he doesn't have that scorers mentality (Jordan, Kobe, Wilt, West, Kareem, Bird, ALL the greats, hell, even Magic when it was called upon, had this mentality.). Dude's a playmaker. It's also not too great that LeBron's shooting percentage is BARELY better than Kobe's when he plays the post WAY more and shoots the three WAY less. :-X
Is LeBron better than Jordan because he picks up more rebounds and assists? LOL. Come on now, Jake.
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Damn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.
Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.
And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. :)
again that was then this is now. lebron has made steps to spearheading his way to the level of kobe bryant, things CAN change over a year you know? especially when it's a talent like lebron james who's BARELY older than me (22). kobe bryant would never of been able to do that at 22 no way, no how......without shaq. however i still stand by my past statements about lebron. carmello should have been the rookie of the year that year. Team USA would have won the gold if kobe had been on those teams (lebron was only 20-21,but with that said kobe wouldn't have been able to lead team USA to the gold either at that age) . and kobe was better than lebron for all those seasons and years i said that. but you want to act like lebron never grew in the three years he's been in the league.
check it.
2004-2005
Kobe >Lebron
2005-2006
Kobe >Lebron
2006-2007
Kobe~Lebron
he's playing at a level that michael jordan played at , while kobe is playing at a level that Elgin Baylor played at (all stats no rings/wins)
is my opinion on Lebron going to change when the spurs win it all? No, even if they get swept like the magic did in 95' i see ALOT of potential JUST like i saw in the OTHER superstar i saw potential in from that losing series ....Shaquille O'neal. Lebron James is only going to get better. He's probably not going to win it all this season but this is a thunder bolt for all the league to listen to. Kobe Bryant has close to ZERO leadership skills, he's had 10 years to develop them and now a 22 year old clone of him has surpassed him in that department, what else will lebron surpass kobe at in the coming years?
DUDE, LeBron had a WORSE season. LOL. He didn't grow, that was everyones huge concern with him before this Detroit series, which suddenly made LeBron "so" amazing. How does one good series where the team matches up horribly against you take you from being heavily doubted to "Michael Jordan level"? And he didn't even have a great series as a whole, it was really that one great game where he scored 48 points in a double overtime game that made the media bust a nut...you truly think LeBron is playing at Michael Jordan level? HAHAHAHAHA. That's classic, Jake. Jordan in his prime would have swept these pistons. 3Peat Kobe on this cavs team woulda tortured these Pistons as well...Your claims are outrageous, man. LeBron subsided his game this season. Only someone with very little knowledge in regards to the game (OR a Kobe hater/LeBron dickrider) would say LeBron is currently on the level of a Kobe. Sorry, but that's the truth man...PeACe
Year Tm G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 .450 .347 .850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.90 35.4
06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 .463 .344 .868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.70 31.6
Year Tm G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 CLE 79 79 42.5 .480 .335 .738 0.9 6.1 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.29 2.30 31.4
06-07 CLE 78 78 40.9 .476 .319 .698 1.1 5.7 6.7 6.0 1.6 0.7 3.21 2.20 27.3
lol they both had "WORSE" years than their previous years. lol
Kobe had a better year, fool. He raised his rebounds, assists, percentages, lowered his turnovers, and only averaged less points cuz he shot less. ::)
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Lebron James is a better scorer
THIS is where it stops. :-X
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^^LMAO, Jake, you're something else, man. LeBron is a better defender? AHAHAHA! How? Because he picks up more steals and blocks? Come on, you should know better than that! LeBron is known as a weak defender for a reason. A player who can't stay in front of his man will generally pick up more steals and blocks off of gambles, very surprised you'd compare defensive stats and call LEBRON a "better defender". :laugh:
EVEN THE LEBRON DICKRIDING MEDIA didn't have the luxury of saying LeBron had a better season than Kobe...You're breaking grounds here with your hate for Kobe...Okay, LeBron is a better REBOUNDER. That's what he has on Kobe. ONE OF HIS TASKS IS REBOUNDING, THOUGH. He's one of the bigger sized players on his team and plays the post a lot! And I wonder why he gets so many assist? He passes a lot because he doesn't have that scorers mentality (Jordan, Kobe, Wilt, West, Kareem, Bird, ALL the greats, hell, even Magic when it was called upon, had this mentality.). Dude's a playmaker. It's also not too great that LeBron's shooting percentage is BARELY better than Kobe's when he plays the post WAY more and shoots the three WAY less. :-X
Is LeBron better than Jordan because he picks up more rebounds and assists? LOL. Come on now, Jake.
it's a summary , a comparison of them at the SAME age. SAME point in their Careers. Lebron's rookie season >Kobe's rookie season. Lebron's second Year> Kobe's Second Year. Lebron's Third year> Kobe's Third Year. Lebron's championship fourth year ~ Kobe's Championship fourth Year. the stats don't lie. they're incapable of being bias. your welcome
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I ain't buying that "Kobe is forced to take shots" bullshit no more. It's time to start to speak the truth, homies. In the last 12 mins of Game-1 of this year P.O. against the Suns, the most important game of the year for us, Kobe shot 1/10 from the floor and he had just 1 fucking assist. We started the last quarter with a +3 points lead and we finished the game with an 8 points loss. In that quarter Kobe had off-balanced shots, triple-teamed shots, impossible fadeways, and he forced everything. Now we can't simply say "he was forced to take shots". Fuck that bullshit!! There's only 2 people we should blame for that, and it's the two people i see constantly getting dickrided from Laker fans: one of them is called Phil Jackson, and the other one is called Kobe Bryant. Let's start with Phil Jackson: he's considered the best coach ever? Ok. It's possible. But he did nothing to make the looker room less fucked up when Kobe and Shaq were in the same team. He was the fucking coach, and instead of letting them focus on the rings, he wasn't able to do shit, and he made a book against them both as soon as Buss told him he wasn't going to resign him. I see people blaming Shaq, people blaming Kobe, people blaming Mitch, people blaming Buss. But i see nobody blaming Phil Jackson, the coach. Wtf?? Plus: if a team relates too much on a player and it's basically a one-man show in the 4th, is the coach worth 10 millions per year? Is the coach worth to be called "the GOAT"? Is he really doing a great job? Isn't he suppose to make teammates play better and to take some responsabilities? Isn't he supposed to tell Kobe: "Hey, stop it. You've already missed 9 shots out of 10 in this quarter: try to share the fucking ball!". Ok, he suggests teammates good books. Ok, he's a Zen Master. Ok, he won rings. But hey, isn't this one a coach's job too? Why nobody talks about Phil Jackson? I think that's absurd. The same people who blames Kobe for being selfish should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to improve both Kobe Bryant and the team. And the same people who blame Shaq and Kobe's ego for their divorce should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to avoid the divorce (shit, he made books!!!! Are we joking??). The other guy who should be blamed? Oh, yes, Kobe Bryant. Because he talks too much. Simple as that.
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As for your stat analysis, LeBron gets more steals and blocks cuz he's weak on defense.
this is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard! Somebody remove this moron as a mod. LMAO you are a joke NIK!
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DUDE, LeBron had a WORSE season. LOL. He didn't grow
He didnt grow? But yet him and HIS TEAM improved and made it to the NBA finals. WOW, every post you make gets more retarded. Stop smokin those chips man, you are a fool.
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As for your stat analysis, LeBron gets more steals and blocks cuz he's weak on defense.
this is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard! Somebody remove this moron as a mod. LMAO you are a joke NIK!
PLANT. You really know a lot about basketball, huh? Urkel Canada, please pay attention to what I'm saying...Do you think Smush Parker picks up a lot of steals cuz he's a good defender? Do you think Dwyane Wade picks up a lot of steals cuz he's a good defender? LEARN what weak-side steals are, moron. When a player can't stay in front of his man, he usually attempts to pick up steals off of gambling, meaning if he doesn't pick up that steal, he's burned. But players like that get more steals on an average. This is why a great defender like Bruce Bowen doesn't pick up many steals, cuz he can stay in front of his man and force action...Learn the game, idiot.
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^^LMAO, Jake, you're something else, man. LeBron is a better defender? AHAHAHA! How? Because he picks up more steals and blocks? Come on, you should know better than that! LeBron is known as a weak defender for a reason. A player who can't stay in front of his man will generally pick up more steals and blocks off of gambles, very surprised you'd compare defensive stats and call LEBRON a "better defender". :laugh:
EVEN THE LEBRON DICKRIDING MEDIA didn't have the luxury of saying LeBron had a better season than Kobe...You're breaking grounds here with your hate for Kobe...Okay, LeBron is a better REBOUNDER. That's what he has on Kobe. ONE OF HIS TASKS IS REBOUNDING, THOUGH. He's one of the bigger sized players on his team and plays the post a lot! And I wonder why he gets so many assist? He passes a lot because he doesn't have that scorers mentality (Jordan, Kobe, Wilt, West, Kareem, Bird, ALL the greats, hell, even Magic when it was called upon, had this mentality.). Dude's a playmaker. It's also not too great that LeBron's shooting percentage is BARELY better than Kobe's when he plays the post WAY more and shoots the three WAY less. :-X
Is LeBron better than Jordan because he picks up more rebounds and assists? LOL. Come on now, Jake.
it's a summary , a comparison of them at the SAME age. SAME point in their Careers. Lebron's rookie season >Kobe's rookie season. Lebron's second Year> Kobe's Second Year. Lebron's Third year> Kobe's Third Year. Lebron's championship fourth year ~ Kobe's Championship fourth Year. the stats don't lie. they're incapable of being bias. your welcome
You're comparing two opposite scenerios, which is the dumbest thing you can possibly do. LeBron had a team built around him from the get-go...Kobe was playing as the second option behind Shaq until a couple years ago, and gradually earned his minutes. It's flat out retarded to compare numbers...Watch Kobe in the 3peat years again. He is way more poised and polished than the current LeBron...You can't deny this, homie...PeACe
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As for your stat analysis, LeBron gets more steals and blocks cuz he's weak on defense.
this is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard! Somebody remove this moron as a mod. LMAO you are a joke NIK!
PLANT. You really know a lot about basketball, huh? Urkel Canada, please pay attention to what I'm saying...Do you think Smush Parker picks up a lot of steals cuz he's a good defender? Do you think Dwyane Wade picks up a lot of steals cuz he's a good defender? LEARN what weak-side steals are, moron. When a player can't stay in front of his man, he usually attempts to pick up steals off of gambling, meaning if he doesn't pick up that steal, he's burned. But players like that get more steals on an average. This is why a great defender like Bruce Bowen doesn't pick up many steals, cuz he can stay in front of his man and force action...Learn the game, idiot.
Baron Davis gets a lot of steals and he's a good defender.
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I ain't buying that "Kobe is forced to take shots" bullshit no more. It's time to start to speak the truth, homies. In the last 12 mins of Game-1 of this year P.O. against the Suns, the most important game of the year for us, Kobe shot 1/10 from the floor and he had just 1 fucking assist. We started the last quarter with a +3 points lead and we finished the game with an 8 points loss. In that quarter Kobe had off-balanced shots, triple-teamed shots, impossible fadeways, and he forced everything. Now we can't simply say "he was forced to take shots". Fuck that bullshit!! There's only 2 people we should blame for that, and it's the two people i see constantly getting dickrided from Laker fans: one of them is called Phil Jackson, and the other one is called Kobe Bryant. Let's start with Phil Jackson: he's considered the best coach ever? Ok. It's possible. But he did nothing to make the looker room less fucked up when Kobe and Shaq were in the same team. He was the fucking coach, and instead of letting them focus on the rings, he wasn't able to do shit, and he made a book against them both as soon as Buss told him he wasn't going to resign him. I see people blaming Shaq, people blaming Kobe, people blaming Mitch, people blaming Buss. But i see nobody blaming Phil Jackson, the coach. Wtf?? Plus: if a team relates too much on a player and it's basically a one-man show in the 4th, is the coach worth 10 millions per year? Is the coach worth to be called "the GOAT"? Is he really doing a great job? Isn't he suppose to make teammates play better and to take some responsabilities? Isn't he supposed to tell Kobe: "Hey, stop it. You've already missed 9 shots out of 10 in this quarter: try to share the fucking ball!". Ok, he suggests teammates good books. Ok, he's a Zen Master. Ok, he won rings. But hey, isn't this one a coach's job too? Why nobody talks about Phil Jackson? I think that's absurd. The same people who blames Kobe for being selfish should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to improve both Kobe Bryant and the team. And the same people who blame Shaq and Kobe's ego for their divorce should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to avoid the divorce (shit, he made books!!!! Are we joking??). The other guy who should be blamed? Oh, yes, Kobe Bryant. Because he talks too much. Simple as that.
Kobe talks too much, yet he got Jerry Buss to agree with him that he's a lazy bum who's doing nothing with the team...How does that work? Do you even remember Game 1? NOBODY was moving in the 4th quarter. It was like Kobe was playing with a high school squad out there who forgot all their sets...Nobody was doing shit. Yes, Kobe was off, and when Kobe is off, our team is doomed. That's the difference between LeBron and Kobe. When LeBron is off, the Cavs are NOT doomed. UNDERSTAND IT.
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As for your stat analysis, LeBron gets more steals and blocks cuz he's weak on defense.
this is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard! Somebody remove this moron as a mod. LMAO you are a joke NIK!
PLANT. You really know a lot about basketball, huh? Urkel Canada, please pay attention to what I'm saying...Do you think Smush Parker picks up a lot of steals cuz he's a good defender? Do you think Dwyane Wade picks up a lot of steals cuz he's a good defender? LEARN what weak-side steals are, moron. When a player can't stay in front of his man, he usually attempts to pick up steals off of gambling, meaning if he doesn't pick up that steal, he's burned. But players like that get more steals on an average. This is why a great defender like Bruce Bowen doesn't pick up many steals, cuz he can stay in front of his man and force action...Learn the game, idiot.
Baron Davis gets a lot of steals and he's a good defender.
Okay, dude, it doesn't work one way or the other...You can pick up a lot of steals and be a good defender. But generally, a lot of weak defenders pick up mad steals. It's a known fact...
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LeBron never had a decent coach.
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LeBron never had a decent coach.
A 50 win coach is a good coach...That's really the only thing we have to judge coaches by, how the team performs as a whole.
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I disagree.
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LeBron never had a decent coach.
A 50 win coach is a good coach...That's really the only thing we have to judge coaches by, how the team performs as a whole.
According to your logic, we should then say Flip Saunders is a "good" coach, while Phil is not a good coach? You continuosly make no sense to anyone but yourself.
I will say this: Mike Brown has gotten better, and is an excellent defensive coach, which isn't a surprise considering he was a Spurs assistant for a while. However, he isn't much of an offensive coach.
Face it NIK, you are so worried that peeps are giving so much credit to Lebron that you are constantly propping every other part of that organization!
And no, Lebron is not yet as good of a one on one defender as Kobe, but he does get mroe steals and defensive boards, and anyone with LEbron's size and quickness will be a great defender, its only a matter of time.
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LeBron never had a decent coach.
A 50 win coach is a good coach...That's really the only thing we have to judge coaches by, how the team performs as a whole.
According to your logic, we should then say Flip Saunders is a "good" coach, while Phil is not a good coach? You continuosly make no sense to anyone but yourself.
I will say this: Mike Brown has gotten better, and is an excellent defensive coach, which isn't a surprise considering he was a Spurs assistant for a while. However, he isn't much of an offensive coach.
Face it NIK, you are so worried that peeps are giving so much credit to Lebron that you are constantly propping every other part of that organization!
And no, Lebron is not yet as good of a one on one defender as Kobe, but he does get mroe steals and defensive boards, and anyone with LEbron's size and quickness will be a great defender, its only a matter of time.
Why can't you shut your mouth and just disagree rationally like 7even? It's my opinion, dude. Stop riding my nuts for EVERY SINGLE OPINION. Mike Brown hasn't done a good job with his team? LOL. THINK ABOUT IT... Flip Saunders is not a good coach because of how his teams subside in the playoffs. That's a represantation of him. Phil Jackson is a good coach because he managed to get a sub-par roster in to the playoffs two years in a row. Well, that's not why he's a good coach, but you get what I'm saying...When LeBron becomes a good defender, I will acknowledge it. As of now, it is yet to happen...PeACe
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LeBron never had a decent coach.
A 50 win coach is a good coach...That's really the only thing we have to judge coaches by, how the team performs as a whole.
According to your logic, we should then say Flip Saunders is a "good" coach, while Phil is not a good coach? You continuosly make no sense to anyone but yourself.
I will say this: Mike Brown has gotten better, and is an excellent defensive coach, which isn't a surprise considering he was a Spurs assistant for a while. However, he isn't much of an offensive coach.
Face it NIK, you are so worried that peeps are giving so much credit to Lebron that you are constantly propping every other part of that organization!
And no, Lebron is not yet as good of a one on one defender as Kobe, but he does get mroe steals and defensive boards, and anyone with LEbron's size and quickness will be a great defender, its only a matter of time.
Why can't you shut your mouth and just disagree rationally like 7even? It's my opinion, dude. Stop riding my nuts for EVERY SINGLE OPINION. Mike Brown hasn't done a good job with his team? LOL. THINK ABOUT IT... Flip Saunders is not a good coach because of how his teams subside in the playoffs. That's a represantation of him. Phil Jackson is a good coach because he managed to get a sub-par roster in to the playoffs two years in a row. Well, that's not why he's a good coach, but you get what I'm saying...When LeBron becomes a good defender, I will acknowledge it. As of now, it is yet to happen...PeACe
Why so sensitive? I merely used YOUR logic. I have the utmost respect for Phil, and i did say Brown is a decent coach, didn't I? I also said Kobe is a better defender? What the fuck is the problem?
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Let me show you where the problem lies...
You continuosly make no sense to anyone but yourself.
Face it NIK, you are so worried that peeps are giving so much credit to Lebron that you are constantly propping every other part of that organization!
The problem is, what I said made perfect sense, you just simply disagreed and didn't know how to present your feelings in a mature manner. And your accusation was a false assumption. This is how threads drag out for pages with arguments. Stop the personals and learn how to debate properly...PeACe
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Let me show you where the problem lies...
You continuosly make no sense to anyone but yourself.
Face it NIK, you are so worried that peeps are giving so much credit to Lebron that you are constantly propping every other part of that organization!
The problem is, what I said made perfect sense, you just simply disagreed and didn't know how to present your feelings in a mature manner. And your accusation was a false assumption. This is how threads drag out for pages with arguments. Stop the personals and learn how to debate properly...PeACe
Ok, i will take notes from you ::) as you are considered the ideal "mature" poster.
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Thank you. 8)
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I ain't buying that "Kobe is forced to take shots" bullshit no more. It's time to start to speak the truth, homies. In the last 12 mins of Game-1 of this year P.O. against the Suns, the most important game of the year for us, Kobe shot 1/10 from the floor and he had just 1 fucking assist. We started the last quarter with a +3 points lead and we finished the game with an 8 points loss. In that quarter Kobe had off-balanced shots, triple-teamed shots, impossible fadeways, and he forced everything. Now we can't simply say "he was forced to take shots". Fuck that bullshit!! There's only 2 people we should blame for that, and it's the two people i see constantly getting dickrided from Laker fans: one of them is called Phil Jackson, and the other one is called Kobe Bryant. Let's start with Phil Jackson: he's considered the best coach ever? Ok. It's possible. But he did nothing to make the looker room less fucked up when Kobe and Shaq were in the same team. He was the fucking coach, and instead of letting them focus on the rings, he wasn't able to do shit, and he made a book against them both as soon as Buss told him he wasn't going to resign him. I see people blaming Shaq, people blaming Kobe, people blaming Mitch, people blaming Buss. But i see nobody blaming Phil Jackson, the coach. Wtf?? Plus: if a team relates too much on a player and it's basically a one-man show in the 4th, is the coach worth 10 millions per year? Is the coach worth to be called "the GOAT"? Is he really doing a great job? Isn't he suppose to make teammates play better and to take some responsabilities? Isn't he supposed to tell Kobe: "Hey, stop it. You've already missed 9 shots out of 10 in this quarter: try to share the fucking ball!". Ok, he suggests teammates good books. Ok, he's a Zen Master. Ok, he won rings. But hey, isn't this one a coach's job too? Why nobody talks about Phil Jackson? I think that's absurd. The same people who blames Kobe for being selfish should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to improve both Kobe Bryant and the team. And the same people who blame Shaq and Kobe's ego for their divorce should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to avoid the divorce (shit, he made books!!!! Are we joking??). The other guy who should be blamed? Oh, yes, Kobe Bryant. Because he talks too much. Simple as that.
Kobe talks too much, yet he got Jerry Buss to agree with him that he's a lazy bum who's doing nothing with the team...How does that work?
NIK i've heard myself Kobe saying he wanted to be traded. You can say all the things you want to defend him but he did it. Now, imho, the leader of a team doesn't talk like that on the media: it's just wrong, immature, stupid, childish. A real leader goes directly to Jerry Buss' house and he talks to him man to man, talking with him about his problems with the team. He doesn't talk to the radio's first, to get peoples attention. If he does it he's simply a bitch, searching for attention. I don't even care if he's right or wrong: if you have a problem you have to handle it like a man, face to face with the boss. That's what a leader (and a real man) does. You can't find answers to your problems in a radio station, man. There's no excuse about what he did. And if you say Jerry Buss tent to agree with him you're basically saying i'm right. Cause Kobe could have spoken directly to him and have Buss tending to agree with him. So why going to a radio officially asking to be traded? That's wrong! And you know it. PLUS imho Buss is in a situation where he knows he can't trade Kobe (or he'll be remembered as the man who destroyed the best legacy of the last years), so if Kobe asks him the Moon, Buss will give him his wife AND the Moon. And Kobe knows it. And that's why he asked to be traded. Cause he just wanted to get Buss' attention. That's not what i'm expecting the true leader of my fav team to do. Point.
Do you even remember Game 1? NOBODY was moving in the 4th quarter. It was like Kobe was playing with a high school squad out there who forgot all their sets...Nobody was doing shit. Yes, Kobe was off, and when Kobe is off, our team is doomed. That's the difference between LeBron and Kobe. When LeBron is off, the Cavs are NOT doomed. UNDERSTAND IT.
Man i'll write it clever: i'm calling PHIL JACKSON out. If Kobe acts wrong, i BLAME the coach cause he's the one who directs the team. And if Kobe's teammates aren't good enought to make some fucking shots i BLAME the coach cause he can't coach. 10 fucking millions per year to have a "GIVE THE BALL TO KOBE" playbook in the 4th quarter? Are we fucking joking?? And if Kobe's teammates sucks so much why in the fucking hell are you defending them so much?? Why do you consider Odom untouchable? Why do you consider Bynum untouchable? Why do you considered Kobe's teammates good enought to match well with the Suns and the Spurs? Why do you considered them an "elite team"? Why do you dissed everyone who tent to disagree with you saying the Lakers were contenders or just 1 player away from being contenders?
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I ain't buying that "Kobe is forced to take shots" bullshit no more. It's time to start to speak the truth, homies. In the last 12 mins of Game-1 of this year P.O. against the Suns, the most important game of the year for us, Kobe shot 1/10 from the floor and he had just 1 fucking assist. We started the last quarter with a +3 points lead and we finished the game with an 8 points loss. In that quarter Kobe had off-balanced shots, triple-teamed shots, impossible fadeways, and he forced everything. Now we can't simply say "he was forced to take shots". Fuck that bullshit!! There's only 2 people we should blame for that, and it's the two people i see constantly getting dickrided from Laker fans: one of them is called Phil Jackson, and the other one is called Kobe Bryant. Let's start with Phil Jackson: he's considered the best coach ever? Ok. It's possible. But he did nothing to make the looker room less fucked up when Kobe and Shaq were in the same team. He was the fucking coach, and instead of letting them focus on the rings, he wasn't able to do shit, and he made a book against them both as soon as Buss told him he wasn't going to resign him. I see people blaming Shaq, people blaming Kobe, people blaming Mitch, people blaming Buss. But i see nobody blaming Phil Jackson, the coach. Wtf?? Plus: if a team relates too much on a player and it's basically a one-man show in the 4th, is the coach worth 10 millions per year? Is the coach worth to be called "the GOAT"? Is he really doing a great job? Isn't he suppose to make teammates play better and to take some responsabilities? Isn't he supposed to tell Kobe: "Hey, stop it. You've already missed 9 shots out of 10 in this quarter: try to share the fucking ball!". Ok, he suggests teammates good books. Ok, he's a Zen Master. Ok, he won rings. But hey, isn't this one a coach's job too? Why nobody talks about Phil Jackson? I think that's absurd. The same people who blames Kobe for being selfish should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to improve both Kobe Bryant and the team. And the same people who blame Shaq and Kobe's ego for their divorce should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to avoid the divorce (shit, he made books!!!! Are we joking??). The other guy who should be blamed? Oh, yes, Kobe Bryant. Because he talks too much. Simple as that.
Kobe talks too much, yet he got Jerry Buss to agree with him that he's a lazy bum who's doing nothing with the team...How does that work?
NIK i've heard myself Kobe saying he wanted to be traded. You can say all the things you want to defend him but he did it. Now, imho, the leader of a team doesn't talk like that on the media: it's just wrong, immature, stupid, childish. A real leader goes directly to Jerry Buss' house and he talks to him man to man, talking with him about his problems with the team. He doesn't talk to the radio's first, to get peoples attention. If he does it he's simply a bitch, searching for attention. I don't even care if he's right or wrong: if you have a problem you have to handle it like a man, face to face with the boss. That's what a leader (and a real man) does. You can't find answers to your problems in a radio station, man. There's no excuse about what he did. And if you say Jerry Buss tent to agree with him you're basically saying i'm right. Cause Kobe could have spoken directly to him and have Buss tending to agree with him. So why going to a radio officially asking to be traded? That's wrong! And you know it. PLUS imho Buss is in a situation where he knows he can't trade Kobe (or he'll be remembered as the man who destroyed the best legacy of the last years), so if Kobe asks him the Moon, Buss will give him his wife AND the Moon. And Kobe knows it. And that's why he asked to be traded. Cause he just wanted to get Buss' attention. That's not what i'm expecting the true leader of my fav team to do. Point.
LOOK AT THE GUY YOU HAVE IN YOUR AVATAR! HE DID THE SAME THING!!!...Your idol, homie. Unfortunately, you didn't hear the KLAC interview with Kobe (I can tell by how you're speaking). Kobe didn't say trade me, he said DO SOMETHING, OR TRADE ME. Buss was isolating Kobe. KOBE COULDNT REACH BUSS AND SAID HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE HIS NUMBER. HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE HE WAS. And you blame Kobe? He's been lobbying the FO to do something for some time...NOTHING was being done. Kobe lobbied for Boozer, DENIED. Kobe lobbied for B Davis. DENIED. Kobe lobbied for Artest, DENIED. Kobe lobbied for Jason Kidd, DENIED. Kobe lobbied for Caron Butler to stay, DENIED. Do you know what it's like to carry a franchise on your back while at the same time being alienated by them? I think not, Antonio, so think more rationally before you start blaming Kobe for what he's doing. We all know this has pushed the Lakers to make moves. So did Magic Johnsons public announcement of "trade me" in the early 80's, and look what that led to...Soon you'll understand.
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Man i'll write it clever: i'm calling PHIL JACKSON out. If Kobe acts wrong, i BLAME the coach cause he's the one who directs the team. And if Kobe's teammates aren't good enought to make some fucking shots i BLAME the coach cause he can't coach. 10 fucking millions per year to have a "GIVE THE BALL TO KOBE" playbook in the 4th quarter? Are we fucking joking?? And if Kobe's teammates sucks so much why in the fucking hell are you defending them so much?? Why do you consider Odom untouchable? Why do you consider Bynum untouchable? Why do you considered Kobe's teammates good enought to match well with the Suns and the Spurs? Why do you considered them an "elite team"? Why do you dissed everyone who tent to disagree with you saying the Lakers were contenders or just 1 player away from being contenders?
Antonio, what do you fail to understand? Lakers are missing a.)a point guard who can run the team and b.)a veteran big who is truly ready to contribute. Andrew Bynum's potential is through the roof, but he's not cutting it NOW. Neither is a hobbled Kwame Brown. Yes, Phil did manage to pull something and make us look elite around December, when we were beating all the top teams, but there was always something missing, and then BOOM, injury-bug hit and we collapsed. I had faith in Smush to come through, Kwame to come through, Radmanovic to come through, etc. Unfortunately, it didn't go down like that. Kobe and a bruised-up Odom that shouldn't have been even playing aren't enough for us to win...What don't you get in what I'm saying?
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I ain't buying that "Kobe is forced to take shots" bullshit no more. It's time to start to speak the truth, homies. In the last 12 mins of Game-1 of this year P.O. against the Suns, the most important game of the year for us, Kobe shot 1/10 from the floor and he had just 1 fucking assist. We started the last quarter with a +3 points lead and we finished the game with an 8 points loss. In that quarter Kobe had off-balanced shots, triple-teamed shots, impossible fadeways, and he forced everything. Now we can't simply say "he was forced to take shots". Fuck that bullshit!! There's only 2 people we should blame for that, and it's the two people i see constantly getting dickrided from Laker fans: one of them is called Phil Jackson, and the other one is called Kobe Bryant. Let's start with Phil Jackson: he's considered the best coach ever? Ok. It's possible. But he did nothing to make the looker room less fucked up when Kobe and Shaq were in the same team. He was the fucking coach, and instead of letting them focus on the rings, he wasn't able to do shit, and he made a book against them both as soon as Buss told him he wasn't going to resign him. I see people blaming Shaq, people blaming Kobe, people blaming Mitch, people blaming Buss. But i see nobody blaming Phil Jackson, the coach. Wtf?? Plus: if a team relates too much on a player and it's basically a one-man show in the 4th, is the coach worth 10 millions per year? Is the coach worth to be called "the GOAT"? Is he really doing a great job? Isn't he suppose to make teammates play better and to take some responsabilities? Isn't he supposed to tell Kobe: "Hey, stop it. You've already missed 9 shots out of 10 in this quarter: try to share the fucking ball!". Ok, he suggests teammates good books. Ok, he's a Zen Master. Ok, he won rings. But hey, isn't this one a coach's job too? Why nobody talks about Phil Jackson? I think that's absurd. The same people who blames Kobe for being selfish should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to improve both Kobe Bryant and the team. And the same people who blame Shaq and Kobe's ego for their divorce should blame Phil Jackson for not being able to avoid the divorce (shit, he made books!!!! Are we joking??). The other guy who should be blamed? Oh, yes, Kobe Bryant. Because he talks too much. Simple as that.
Kobe talks too much, yet he got Jerry Buss to agree with him that he's a lazy bum who's doing nothing with the team...How does that work?
NIK i've heard myself Kobe saying he wanted to be traded. You can say all the things you want to defend him but he did it. Now, imho, the leader of a team doesn't talk like that on the media: it's just wrong, immature, stupid, childish. A real leader goes directly to Jerry Buss' house and he talks to him man to man, talking with him about his problems with the team. He doesn't talk to the radio's first, to get peoples attention. If he does it he's simply a bitch, searching for attention. I don't even care if he's right or wrong: if you have a problem you have to handle it like a man, face to face with the boss. That's what a leader (and a real man) does. You can't find answers to your problems in a radio station, man. There's no excuse about what he did. And if you say Jerry Buss tent to agree with him you're basically saying i'm right. Cause Kobe could have spoken directly to him and have Buss tending to agree with him. So why going to a radio officially asking to be traded? That's wrong! And you know it. PLUS imho Buss is in a situation where he knows he can't trade Kobe (or he'll be remembered as the man who destroyed the best legacy of the last years), so if Kobe asks him the Moon, Buss will give him his wife AND the Moon. And Kobe knows it. And that's why he asked to be traded. Cause he just wanted to get Buss' attention. That's not what i'm expecting the true leader of my fav team to do. Point.
LOOK AT THE GUY YOU HAVE IN YOUR AVATAR! HE DID THE SAME THING!!!...Your idol, homie. Unfortunately, you didn't hear the KLAC interview with Kobe (I can tell by how you're speaking). Kobe didn't say trade me, he said DO SOMETHING, OR TRADE ME. Buss was isolating Kobe. KOBE COULDNT REACH BUSS AND SAID HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE HIS NUMBER. HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE HE WAS. And you blame Kobe?
Oh. I didn't know that. If Kobe tried to call Buss but couldn't reach him because Buss didn't want to be reached/didn't care that changes everything. I'm blaming Kobe because i wanted him to talk to Buss first, but if Buss didn't want to talk with Kobe, i can't blame Kobe for that.
Magic's situation was different, tho.
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^^LOL. Listen to the KLAC interview, man.
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Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/lL9iAoIs2n8
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/v/lsCiTSFiGyw
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/v/MrRNrhOB9j0
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Man i'll write it clever: i'm calling PHIL JACKSON out. If Kobe acts wrong, i BLAME the coach cause he's the one who directs the team. And if Kobe's teammates aren't good enought to make some fucking shots i BLAME the coach cause he can't coach. 10 fucking millions per year to have a "GIVE THE BALL TO KOBE" playbook in the 4th quarter? Are we fucking joking?? And if Kobe's teammates sucks so much why in the fucking hell are you defending them so much?? Why do you consider Odom untouchable? Why do you consider Bynum untouchable? Why do you considered Kobe's teammates good enought to match well with the Suns and the Spurs? Why do you considered them an "elite team"? Why do you dissed everyone who tent to disagree with you saying the Lakers were contenders or just 1 player away from being contenders?
Antonio, what do you fail to understand? Lakers are missing a.)a point guard who can run the team and b.)a veteran big who is truly ready to contribute. Andrew Bynum's potential is through the roof, but he's not cutting it NOW. Neither is a hobbled Kwame Brown. Yes, Phil did manage to pull something and make us look elite around December, when we were beating all the top teams, but there was always something missing, and then BOOM, injury-bug hit and we collapsed. I had faith in Smush to come through, Kwame to come through, Radmanovic to come through, etc. Unfortunately, it didn't go down like that. Kobe and a bruised-up Odom that shouldn't have been even playing aren't enough for us to win...What don't you get in what I'm saying?
Man if it's just a point guard who can run the team (the mid-level ex. should be enought to sign a decent PG, shouldn't it?) and a veteran big (we can use the minimum ex. or trade somebody with an expiring contract to get him, or resign Mihm..) we need Kobe had no reason to make all this noise. If the problem is all those players getting injured they'll back in full effect in october. I think Kobe wants a top trade, like the ones you mentioned (Kidd, Boozer, Davis, JO, KG, etc..). He doesn't care about Bynum and our long-term projects: he just wants to win as soon as possible. Well, i dunno what to say. I've spent the last months reading you (and Phil Jackson) that we're just 1 player away from being contenders. And now Kobe is saying we should totally change our project to trade for a vet player, maybe trading Odom (our 2nd star) and Bynum (our top project) too.
I dunno. It's a big risk.
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Definitely a risk, especially if you give up Odom and Bynum for an injury-prone nigga like JO. But you also have to understand Kobe. He's not 22 anymore, and he's been spoiled with having Shaq and other capable VETS around him. The Odom era Lakers have had 3 years, they failed to make the next step. For Kobe it is now like this:
1. Make a risky trade.
2. If the trade works out, stay in LA and contend.
3. If the team/the situation gets worse/doesn't improve significantly, leave the Lakers.
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Definitely a risk, especially if you give up Odom and Bynum for an injury-prone nigga like JO. But you also have to understand Kobe. He's not 22 anymore, and he's been spoiled with having Shaq and other capable VETS around him. The Odom era Lakers have had 3 years, they failed to make the next step. For Kobe it is now like this:
1. Make a risky trade.
2. If the trade works out, stay in LA and contend.
3. If the team/the situation gets worse/doesn't improve significantly, leave the Lakers.
Like that he has nothing to loose. I understand what he's trying to do, but maybe it's not the best thing for the Lakers. Like i said it's a big risk. It's not like he wants to win and the Lakers wants to loose, you know what i'm saying? This team till december looked ready to contend. And we've missed Mihm and we've wasted another MLE. Imho if we get a starting PG with the MLE and we make 2-3 trades (and we resign Mihm and Walton) we could try it again. We didn't look horrible at the end of last season and till the All-Star break, this season. We def didn't look like a team to totally rebuild. That's why it's a big risk. You can improve but you can waste 3 years too. And, like you wrote, Kobe could oup-out and fuck your team up for a decade.
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Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/lL9iAoIs2n8
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/v/lsCiTSFiGyw
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/v/MrRNrhOB9j0
Thanx for the hook-up. Well, it's like i said in the previous post: it's still a big risk for the Lakers, man.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point. He's mad cuz the front-office lied. They said they were tryna win now. They coulda SIGNED Baron Davis. They coulda traded Butler for Boozer. There was many MANY mistakes made behind Kobe's back and without his consent. Nothing to do with "rebuilding"... It's like he said, a superstar player would call him, "hey, Kobe, I hear they're tryna sign me/trade for me in LA". Kobe lobbies the front-office to make the move, the front-office doesn't even consider it... BAM, DENIED. You HAVE to understand Kobe's position, and it IS the best for the Lakers, cuz we'll be contending ASAP. Mark that...PeACe
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point. He's mad cuz the front-office lied. They said they were tryna win now. They coulda SIGNED Baron Davis. They coulda traded Butler for Boozer. There was many MANY mistakes made behind Kobe's back and without his consent. Nothing to do with "rebuilding"... It's like he said, a superstar player would call him, "hey, Kobe, I hear they're tryna sign me/trade for me in LA". Kobe lobbies the front-office to make the move, the front-office doesn't even consider it... BAM, DENIED. You HAVE to understand Kobe's position, and it IS the best for the Lakers, cuz we'll be contending ASAP. Mark that...PeACe
Man i couldn't believe they really didn't do a Butler for Boozer trade. If it's like that you guys in L.A. should riot.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point. He's mad cuz the front-office lied. They said they were tryna win now. They coulda SIGNED Baron Davis. They coulda traded Butler for Boozer. There was many MANY mistakes made behind Kobe's back and without his consent. Nothing to do with "rebuilding"... It's like he said, a superstar player would call him, "hey, Kobe, I hear they're tryna sign me/trade for me in LA". Kobe lobbies the front-office to make the move, the front-office doesn't even consider it... BAM, DENIED. You HAVE to understand Kobe's position, and it IS the best for the Lakers, cuz we'll be contending ASAP. Mark that...PeACe
Man i couldn't believe they really didn't do a Butler for Boozer trade. If it's like that you guys in L.A. should riot.
LMAO naw, I don't think Utah would have done that... that's insanity. Especially since you gave up Butler anyway, for a much worse player.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point.
Sorry, but I am sure he wants them to make a big trade. There is no doubt in my mind that he pushes for a Odom and Bynum for JO/Gasol/Garnett trade... no matter what the hell he or you say.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point.
Sorry, but I am sure he wants them to make a big trade. There is no doubt in my mind that he pushes for a Odom and Bynum for JO/Gasol/Garnett trade... no matter what the hell he or you say.
Yeah that's what i'm saying. I call it REBUILD. Maybe it's not the perfect word but....
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I donno...for some reason, I get a lil attached to players in a way, and I hate seein certain ones leave, especially when we see em grow or go through somethin. So I won't be happy seein Luke, Lamar, or Bynum leave. Kwame....I can't say the same, because he has worse butterfingers than the 99 cent store. But Lamar has stepped it up, especially in the playoffs, and he lost his son....and we saw Bynum go from a complete stiff to bein active, and then to bein passive but I think he peaked too early in the season.
I just don't know what direction we should go though. I have a strong feeling that no teams will make a trade with us that they feel could help us, especially in the West. I think the trades we've been discussin are tooooo damn risky for us...especially Bynum AND Lamar for Jermaine...and I donno how much more of a threat that will really make us. Maybe it will help us in that JO and Lamar's stats aren't much different, but Lamar's style is too close to Kobe's for it to blend as good as havin that inside/outside threat.
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I donno...for some reason, I get a lil attached to players in a way, and I hate seein certain ones leave, especially when we see em grow or go through somethin. So I won't be happy seein Luke, Lamar, or Bynum leave. Kwame....I can't say the same, because he has worse butterfingers than the 99 cent store. But Lamar has stepped it up, especially in the playoffs, and he lost his son....and we saw Bynum go from a complete stiff to bein active, and then to bein passive but I think he peaked too early in the season.
I just don't know what direction we should go though. I have a strong feeling that no teams will make a trade with us that they feel could help us, especially in the West. I think the trades we've been discussin are tooooo damn risky for us...especially Bynum AND Lamar for Jermaine...and I donno how much more of a threat that will really make us. Maybe it will help us in that JO and Lamar's stats aren't much different, but Lamar's style is too close to Kobe's for it to blend as good as havin that inside/outside threat.
That's what i'm talking about.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point. He's mad cuz the front-office lied. They said they were tryna win now. They coulda SIGNED Baron Davis. They coulda traded Butler for Boozer. There was many MANY mistakes made behind Kobe's back and without his consent. Nothing to do with "rebuilding"... It's like he said, a superstar player would call him, "hey, Kobe, I hear they're tryna sign me/trade for me in LA". Kobe lobbies the front-office to make the move, the front-office doesn't even consider it... BAM, DENIED. You HAVE to understand Kobe's position, and it IS the best for the Lakers, cuz we'll be contending ASAP. Mark that...PeACe
Man i couldn't believe they really didn't do a Butler for Boozer trade. If it's like that you guys in L.A. should riot.
LMAO naw, I don't think Utah would have done that... that's insanity. Especially since you gave up Butler anyway, for a much worse player.
LMAO? The trade was already finalized. Lakers backed out...Boozer was considered "injury prone" and Lakers said "he couldn't guard fours" at the time.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point.
Sorry, but I am sure he wants them to make a big trade. There is no doubt in my mind that he pushes for a Odom and Bynum for JO/Gasol/Garnett trade... no matter what the hell he or you say.
Did he say that? What he's mad about is the times we passed up trading for superstars or signing superstars to minimal deals. Everything Kobe wanted, he got the opposite...You can speculate all you want on what he's requesting, but what he wants is a CONTENDER. He's made that clear enough.
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I donno...for some reason, I get a lil attached to players in a way, and I hate seein certain ones leave, especially when we see em grow or go through somethin. So I won't be happy seein Luke, Lamar, or Bynum leave. Kwame....I can't say the same, because he has worse butterfingers than the 99 cent store. But Lamar has stepped it up, especially in the playoffs, and he lost his son....and we saw Bynum go from a complete stiff to bein active, and then to bein passive but I think he peaked too early in the season.
I just don't know what direction we should go though. I have a strong feeling that no teams will make a trade with us that they feel could help us, especially in the West. I think the trades we've been discussin are tooooo damn risky for us...especially Bynum AND Lamar for Jermaine...and I donno how much more of a threat that will really make us. Maybe it will help us in that JO and Lamar's stats aren't much different, but Lamar's style is too close to Kobe's for it to blend as good as havin that inside/outside threat.
I myself don't want to trade for JO if we have to include Odom (or even Bynum)...But I'm down with whatever makes us contenders. I'll be happy as long as we get a good team built around Kobe by the start of the season, and I have a good feeling about that.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point. He's mad cuz the front-office lied. They said they were tryna win now. They coulda SIGNED Baron Davis. They coulda traded Butler for Boozer. There was many MANY mistakes made behind Kobe's back and without his consent. Nothing to do with "rebuilding"... It's like he said, a superstar player would call him, "hey, Kobe, I hear they're tryna sign me/trade for me in LA". Kobe lobbies the front-office to make the move, the front-office doesn't even consider it... BAM, DENIED. You HAVE to understand Kobe's position, and it IS the best for the Lakers, cuz we'll be contending ASAP. Mark that...PeACe
Man i couldn't believe they really didn't do a Butler for Boozer trade. If it's like that you guys in L.A. should riot.
LMAO naw, I don't think Utah would have done that... that's insanity. Especially since you gave up Butler anyway, for a much worse player.
LMAO? The trade was already finalized. Lakers backed out...Boozer was considered "injury prone" and Lakers said "he couldn't guard fours" at the time.
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Kobe is not saying REBUILD! Again, missing the whole point. He's mad cuz the front-office lied. They said they were tryna win now. They coulda SIGNED Baron Davis. They coulda traded Butler for Boozer. There was many MANY mistakes made behind Kobe's back and without his consent. Nothing to do with "rebuilding"... It's like he said, a superstar player would call him, "hey, Kobe, I hear they're tryna sign me/trade for me in LA". Kobe lobbies the front-office to make the move, the front-office doesn't even consider it... BAM, DENIED. You HAVE to understand Kobe's position, and it IS the best for the Lakers, cuz we'll be contending ASAP. Mark that...PeACe
Man i couldn't believe they really didn't do a Butler for Boozer trade. If it's like that you guys in L.A. should riot.
LMAO naw, I don't think Utah would have done that... that's insanity. Especially since you gave up Butler anyway, for a much worse player.
LMAO? The trade was already finalized. Lakers backed out...Boozer was considered "injury prone" and Lakers said "he couldn't guard fours" at the time.
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good article, i couldn't have articulated that better.
fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes.
HAS KOBE EVER WON a NBA Title? ::) JUST Curious!!!!LOL
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^^LOL. No. He never has. And LeBron is mentally stronger than Kobe. (http://forum.gamion.de/images/smilies/018rofl.gif)
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No shit. You guys are making it too easy, c'mon. I mean Kobe WON rings, they didn't just give them to him as a present. We ain't talking about Devean George! Kobe had IMPRESSIVE games, he stepped up in the post-season, he made CLUTCH shots, he took the team over his shoulders in a pair of NBA Finals games too (when Shaq got fouled out), he defended like nobody on his team, he played an IMPRESSIVE basket, so much that he was considered as the best SG in the league and the 2nd best player in the league. The "next Jordan". He simply destroyed everything that night in Colorado. But he was about to become the "next Jordan" with the NBA dickryding him and the whole world on his feet.
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This whole arguement reminds me of some of my employees and some of my co-workers. I work in Sales so of course everything is about how well and how much you sell. But when someone who isn't a top salesman gets a managerial position, people begin to hate and say "well he/she doesn't know how to sell, how can they manager a store?"
My response to that is this: Just because you can sell, does NOT mean you can lead. And just because you can lead does NOT mean you can sell. Two of the best Managers we have in our district were crappy salesmen coming up. But they lead their stores better than anyone in the district, even some cats who were the best of the best when it came to sales.
So what I'm getting at is this: Yes, Kobe can score. He can defend. He can do all this... But he still has NOT proven that he is able to lead. LeBron might not be on every night. But, dude knows how to lead. While he may not drop 30+ points a night, he's motivating his team to work around him to get the job done. THAT'S leadership.
There's no such award for GIP (Greatest Individual Player), this is a team sport.
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This whole arguement reminds me of some of my employees and some of my co-workers. I work in Sales so of course everything is about how well and how much you sell. But when someone who isn't a top salesman gets a managerial position, people begin to hate and say "well he/she doesn't know how to sell, how can they manager a store?"
My response to that is this: Just because you can sell, does NOT mean you can lead. And just because you can lead does NOT mean you can sell. Two of the best Managers we have in our district were crappy salesmen coming up. But they lead their stores better than anyone in the district, even some cats who were the best of the best when it came to sales.
So what I'm getting at is this: Yes, Kobe can score. He can defend. He can do all this... But he still has NOT proven that he is able to lead. LeBron might not be on every night. But, dude knows how to lead. While he may not drop 30+ points a night, he's motivating his team to work around him to get the job done. THAT'S leadership.
There's no such award for GIP (Greatest Individual Player), this is a team sport.
Sorry, but LeBron is in the leaders role every other game or so...Kobe is a true leader, you don't see him disappearing and looking like a role player constantly like you'd see with LeBron. How often does LeBron look like a great leader? Not very often, if you wanna be honest about it...Mentally, he is not quite there yet. Kobe's problem is something completely different. He simply doesn't have the supporting cast. There are vacant positions on the Laker roster. LeBron wouldn't be able to lead this Laker roster past 20 wins...PeACe
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LeBron wouldn't be able to lead this Laker roster past 20 wins..
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LeBron wouldn't be able to lead this Laker roster past 20 wins..
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PG Smush Pakrer
SG Maurice Evans
SF LeBron James
PF Lamar Odom (injured, not true power forward)
C Kwame Brown (injured)
Defense=non-existant
18 wins....TOPS.
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Parker... Farmar, Williams
LeBron... Evans, Vujacic
Odom... Walton, Radman... rotate with LeBron
Brown... Cook, Turiaf... rotate with Odom
Bynum... rotate with Brown
LMAO@18 wins tops.
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LMAO@Brown starting power forward (haven't watched him play in the triangle, huh?). LMAO@Bynum starting center (still in major developing stages, he could barely even hold up as a starter when Kwame was injured). LMAO@Parker starting point guard (haven't watched his stint with the Lakers, huh?). LMAO@you thinking that team has a chance at winning games.
Honestly, 7even, do you think the roster you just posted would make the playoffs?...I mean, come on now. Look at the bigs! Look at the point guards! LOOK AT THE ROSTER! It's known that Kwame can't play power forward in the triangle, AND he was playing injured all season! So not only could he not catch the ball, he couldn't get off the ground either! Who would run the point? Who would score? Who would play defense? LeBron at shooting guard is terrible, imagine what a shitty defense that would be. :-X
The roster you just posted was even worse than the one I had...PeACe
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Are you smoking crack, or why is this
LMAO@Parker starting point guard (haven't watched his stint with the Lakers, huh?).
5 minutes after this
PG Smush Pakrer
Brown, Odom, LeBron would all be tweeners... get minutes at 2 positions depending on the circumstances. LeBron can play various positions. I see no concern with the defense, he can defend guards, no doubt about it. Of course this is not a great team, no shit. The Lakers with Kobe aren't a great team either lmao.
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Are you smoking crack, or why is this
LMAO@Parker starting point guard (haven't watched his stint with the Lakers, huh?).
5 minutes after this
PG Smush Pakrer
Brown, Odom, LeBron would all be tweeners... get minutes at 2 positions depending on the circumstances. LeBron can play various positions. I see no concern with the defense, he can defend guards, no doubt about it. Of course this is not a great team, no shit. The Lakers with Kobe aren't a great team either lmao.
You didn't answer my question, do you think that team would be a playoff team? LMFAO if you do. Kwame didn't play a single minute of power forward this season. He CANT do it. What don't you understand? And taking Kobe off the team would just make them THAT much worse defensively...and then you REALLY don't have a true scoring option... The fact that I had to use Smush as the only option for point guard only proves my point...It's hilarious if you think that roster would be anywhere close to the playoffs...PeACe
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I can't estimate if they would make the playoffs, probably not. But I can tell you this:
LeBron wouldn't be able to lead this Laker roster past 20 wins..
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I can't estimate if they would make the playoffs, probably not. But I can tell you this:
LeBron wouldn't be able to lead this Laker roster past 20 wins..
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Look at the roster. It would be the worst defensive team in the league, the worst offensive team in the league, AND the team with the least experience in the league...Add a season filled with injuries to that, and NOTHING is funny about what I said...PeACe
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...and Lebron would've shared the rock, Odom would've been a great second option, players would've built confidence, the team would be better...
All Kobe can do is score. He isn't a leader. He isn't a team player. With Kobe, there is on I in team, but there is ME. The dude is a joke as a team player and a leader. He pays attention to the media. They say Kobe is a ballhog, so he passes. They say he passes, so he shoots.
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NIK honestly you're going too far with your hate to LeBron. To say LeBron wouldn't be able to lead this Laker roster past 20 wins is just dumb, homie. Matter of fact..
Lakers record with Kobe Bryant is 39-38 (.506%)
Lakers record without Kobe Bryant is 3-2 (.600%)
I'm not saying Lakers are better without Kobe, don't get me wrong, but c'mon, don't be a hater man. LeBron is an excellent player. Maybe not individually as good as Kobe, but he's no Sasha Vujacic!
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You guys, NIK is a shock poster, its as simple as that. He is just trying to get a rise out of us. Can he really believe the Lakers with Lebron would be a 20 win team, while the Lakers with Kobe could possibly beat S.A. and had a chance to win the title this year? Of course he doesn;t believe that! Awhile ago he dropped this gem: "Kobe Bryant is the best leader in basketball" !!!!!!!!!!!! What has Kobe ever lead his team to? Yes, it was amazing the Lakers made the playoffs, but that doesn;t make him the best leader in the league.
What i continually dont get is this? Before the playoffs started, NIK swore the LaKERS had a chance tp win the title, but once they lose the first round the team becomes a CBA team, the players all suck except Kobe, blah blah blah. The Cavs, on the other hand, were a shit team before the playoffs, but now that they have made it to the final it is because of Lebrons "great supporting cast", as Lebron is merely a "role player."
Stuff like this is why i think i either:
a) feel sorry for NIK, as he does this all for attention, just to piss people off'
b) or, he truly believes Kobe is god, and can't see or understand anything that would be contradictory.
Of course =, if you ask NIk, he will say "I am not a hater, i say what i truly FEEL and BELIEVE", which convinces him that therefore everything he states is valid somehow.
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So I've never really checked out that Lakers thread, until now. I randomly looked through some pages since its like 180+++, and I found a couple odd quotes:
instead of focusing on either a)trying to win a championship or b) rebuilding for the future, the lakers management has seemingly been half-assing both
What are you talking about? The management has done a hell of a job acquiring players since the Shaq trade...
They've done a "hell of a job" according to NIK in Feb. But now... they're ignoring Kobe's wants and needs.
well i think its pretty unfair to suggest he aint a real fan juss for carin about his fantasy team lol.
and not that this directly relates to the topic at hand, but i've always found it kinda frustrating wen there are discussions about improving team defense or possible trades or injury updates or wutever, and yet the only responses to be heard are ones stating how godly kobe is and how we should get rid of odom/the rest of the team just for not being as good as kobe.
so many of the local "laker fans" i kno are more like kobe bandwagoners than actual laker fans. altho kobe is sick as fuck so in some ways its understandable.
That's not what I'm saying. The fact that Kobe is on his fantasy team cleared it up for me...I'm saying that if someone cares about how much Kobe scores more than how the Lakers perform, then he's more of a Kobe fan than a Laker fan to begin with. That's just stating the obvious though...
I agree 100% with your comments on the fake Laker fans...That's why I show so much concern with some of the fans on this board...PeACe
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LOL, it just depends on what day of the week you ask him. One day, the Lakers are full of superstars, the next they are filled w/ D-Leaguers that wouldn't be on any other roster in the NBA.
Then you can find him defending the front office for not acquiring real talent by saying his famous: "The Lakers don't want championships, they want dynasties".
And then SGV shows him defending the FO saying theyve done a hell of a job.
Now he says that the FO is completely fucked up because his mancrush black mamba says so.
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In the beginning of the season, I did think we had a good chance to contend...I had no clue about the managements plan to build for the future, like Kobe, I was under the impression the goal was to win now. We looked like we were heading in a nice direction... I had no idea they didn't consider Kobe and Phil Jackson's requests for roster adjustments, and pretty much denied every suggestion. You gotta admit that we looked elite in the beginning of the season. We had a top record and beat every good team convincingly...The season fell apart quick though, and now there IS a sense of urgency in Lakerville. I dunno what's so absurd about what I'm saying, do you think it's insane that I don't think any other player in the league coulda led this BATTERED roster to the playoffs? LeBron is good as hell, no doubt, but he's no saviour, he can't carry the load on his shoulder like Kobe can...That's all I'm saying, and why people act like they just got raped when I say that, I have no clue...PeACe
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It's just funny how one man's opinion can make you change up so quickly... You went from one extreme to the next because of something Kobe said.
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This whole arguement reminds me of some of my employees and some of my co-workers. I work in Sales so of course everything is about how well and how much you sell. But when someone who isn't a top salesman gets a managerial position, people begin to hate and say "well he/she doesn't know how to sell, how can they manager a store?"
My response to that is this: Just because you can sell, does NOT mean you can lead. And just because you can lead does NOT mean you can sell. Two of the best Managers we have in our district were crappy salesmen coming up. But they lead their stores better than anyone in the district, even some cats who were the best of the best when it came to sales.
So what I'm getting at is this: Yes, Kobe can score. He can defend. He can do all this... But he still has NOT proven that he is able to lead. LeBron might not be on every night. But, dude knows how to lead. While he may not drop 30+ points a night, he's motivating his team to work around him to get the job done. THAT'S leadership.
There's no such award for GIP (Greatest Individual Player), this is a team sport.
Sorry, but LeBron is in the leaders role every other game or so...Kobe is a true leader, you don't see him disappearing and looking like a role player constantly like you'd see with LeBron. How often does LeBron look like a great leader? Not very often, if you wanna be honest about it...Mentally, he is not quite there yet. Kobe's problem is something completely different. He simply doesn't have the supporting cast. There are vacant positions on the Laker roster. LeBron wouldn't be able to lead this Laker roster past 20 wins...PeACe
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KOBE HATERS Has 3 THREE NBA TITLES ALREADY DUH!!! ???
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Let's flip this a bit............how would the Cavs do in the finals against the Spurs with Kobe instead of Lebron?
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In the beginning of the season, I did think we had a good chance to contend...I had no clue about the managements plan to build for the future, like Kobe, I was under the impression the goal was to win now. We looked like we were heading in a nice direction... I had no idea they didn't consider Kobe and Phil Jackson's requests for roster adjustments, and pretty much denied every suggestion. You gotta admit that we looked elite in the beginning of the season. We had a top record and beat every good team convincingly...The season fell apart quick though, and now there IS a sense of urgency in Lakerville. I dunno what's so absurd about what I'm saying, do you think it's insane that I don't think any other player in the league coulda led this BATTERED roster to the playoffs? LeBron is good as hell, no doubt, but he's no saviour, he can't carry the load on his shoulder like Kobe can...That's all I'm saying, and why people act like they just got raped when I say that, I have no clue...PeACe
What are you talking about? I mean which official request Mitch refused to do that was possible to do?
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It's just funny how one man's opinion can make you change up so quickly... You went from one extreme to the next because of something Kobe said.
Actually, I already knew we needed to have a busy summer ahead of us...It was pretty obvious the way the season ended.
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Let's flip this a bit............how would the Cavs do in the finals against the Spurs with Kobe instead of Lebron?
Better, obviously...
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In the beginning of the season, I did think we had a good chance to contend...I had no clue about the managements plan to build for the future, like Kobe, I was under the impression the goal was to win now. We looked like we were heading in a nice direction... I had no idea they didn't consider Kobe and Phil Jackson's requests for roster adjustments, and pretty much denied every suggestion. You gotta admit that we looked elite in the beginning of the season. We had a top record and beat every good team convincingly...The season fell apart quick though, and now there IS a sense of urgency in Lakerville. I dunno what's so absurd about what I'm saying, do you think it's insane that I don't think any other player in the league coulda led this BATTERED roster to the playoffs? LeBron is good as hell, no doubt, but he's no saviour, he can't carry the load on his shoulder like Kobe can...That's all I'm saying, and why people act like they just got raped when I say that, I have no clue...PeACe
What are you talking about? I mean which official request Mitch refused to do that was possible to do?
LMAO! You've got to be kidding, right? Have you been following this whole thing?
1.Keep Caron Butler
2.Retain Kareem Rush
3.Not draft Bynum (I'm against this request, but Phil originally didn't want it)
4.Keep Jumaine Jones
5.Sign Baron Davis
6.Trade for Boozer when we had a deal on the table
7.Trade for Artest when the price was extremely low
8.Trade for Jason Kidd when we had a deal on the table
9.Sign Chris Webber
10.ATTEMPT TO BUILD THE BEST ROSTER POSSIBLE.
Those are just off the top of the head...But if you understood the situation, you'd know that Phil has had no say in the player personnel since he returned to the Lakers. Same with Kobe...And then you wonder why they're mad. :-\
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The Hating On Kobe is Stupid!
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In the beginning of the season, I did think we had a good chance to contend...I had no clue about the managements plan to build for the future, like Kobe, I was under the impression the goal was to win now. We looked like we were heading in a nice direction... I had no idea they didn't consider Kobe and Phil Jackson's requests for roster adjustments, and pretty much denied every suggestion. You gotta admit that we looked elite in the beginning of the season. We had a top record and beat every good team convincingly...The season fell apart quick though, and now there IS a sense of urgency in Lakerville. I dunno what's so absurd about what I'm saying, do you think it's insane that I don't think any other player in the league coulda led this BATTERED roster to the playoffs? LeBron is good as hell, no doubt, but he's no saviour, he can't carry the load on his shoulder like Kobe can...That's all I'm saying, and why people act like they just got raped when I say that, I have no clue...PeACe
What are you talking about? I mean which official request Mitch refused to do that was possible to do?
LMAO! You've got to be kidding, right? Have you been following this whole thing?
1.Keep Caron Butler
2.Retain Kareem Rush
3.Not draft Bynum (I'm against this request, but Phil originally didn't want it)
4.Keep Jumaine Jones
5.Sign Baron Davis
6.Trade for Boozer when we had a deal on the table
7.Trade for Artest when the price was extremely low
8.Trade for Jason Kidd when we had a deal on the table
9.Sign Chris Webber
10.ATTEMPT TO BUILD THE BEST ROSTER POSSIBLE.
Those are just off the top of the head...But if you understood the situation, you'd know that Phil has had no say in the player personnel since he returned to the Lakers. Same with Kobe...And then you wonder why they're mad. :-\
I don't give a fuck about what Kobe thinks, honestly. I have my own brain, and i think by myself. About the possible trades..
3. You wanted Lakers to trade Bynum.
4. I was the one sorry when we traded him. You was happy.
6. You didn't want to trade Odom for Boozer.
7. You didn't want to trade Odom for Artest, if i remember it.
8. The Nets wanted Bynum in return. You was clearly against it.
9. You was against it, if i remember it.
10. Too generic.
So wassup with that? Mitch is a moron, uh?
I'd trade Odom for him in a fucking second.
Woah...If we wont trade Odom for KG, what makes you think we'll do it for Boozer? Boozer on the Lakers wont make us all of a sudden great. We have enough problems at the point guard position, we don't wanna give away our primary distibutor.
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In the beginning of the season, I did think we had a good chance to contend...I had no clue about the managements plan to build for the future, like Kobe, I was under the impression the goal was to win now. We looked like we were heading in a nice direction... I had no idea they didn't consider Kobe and Phil Jackson's requests for roster adjustments, and pretty much denied every suggestion. You gotta admit that we looked elite in the beginning of the season. We had a top record and beat every good team convincingly...The season fell apart quick though, and now there IS a sense of urgency in Lakerville. I dunno what's so absurd about what I'm saying, do you think it's insane that I don't think any other player in the league coulda led this BATTERED roster to the playoffs? LeBron is good as hell, no doubt, but he's no saviour, he can't carry the load on his shoulder like Kobe can...That's all I'm saying, and why people act like they just got raped when I say that, I have no clue...PeACe
What are you talking about? I mean which official request Mitch refused to do that was possible to do?
LMAO! You've got to be kidding, right? Have you been following this whole thing?
1.Keep Caron Butler
2.Retain Kareem Rush
3.Not draft Bynum (I'm against this request, but Phil originally didn't want it)
4.Keep Jumaine Jones
5.Sign Baron Davis
6.Trade for Boozer when we had a deal on the table
7.Trade for Artest when the price was extremely low
8.Trade for Jason Kidd when we had a deal on the table
9.Sign Chris Webber
10.ATTEMPT TO BUILD THE BEST ROSTER POSSIBLE.
Those are just off the top of the head...But if you understood the situation, you'd know that Phil has had no say in the player personnel since he returned to the Lakers. Same with Kobe...And then you wonder why they're mad. :-\
I don't give a fuck about what Kobe thinks, honestly. I have my own brain, and i think by myself. About the possible trades..
3. You wanted Lakers to trade Bynum.
4. I was the one sorry when we traded him. You was happy.
6. You didn't want to trade Odom for Boozer.
7. You didn't want to trade Odom for Artest, if i remember it.
8. The Nets wanted Bynum in return. You was clearly against it.
9. You was against it, if i remember it.
10. Too generic.
So wassup with that? Mitch is a moron, uh?
I'd trade Odom for him in a fucking second.
Woah...If we wont trade Odom for KG, what makes you think we'll do it for Boozer? Boozer on the Lakers wont make us all of a sudden great. We have enough problems at the point guard position, we don't wanna give away our primary distibutor.
AGAIN. Antonio, you speak out of ignorance WAY TOO MUCH.
I didn't want Butler traded, I even voiced displeasure on this board after it happened. But yea, we were desperate for a big, and I rolled with it after a while. Still, Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant insisted Butler should stay. ESPECIALLY Kobe. Butler was Kobe's best friend on the team as well...
The deal for Boozer didn't include Odom!
Artest could have been had without Odom as well (Odom's salary doesn't match Artests). Management never made an attempt when Artest was on the table.
I'll give you the fact that I didn't want Kidd for Bynum.
I was never against signing Webber.
AND AGAIN, THE DEAL FOR BOOZER (WHICH WE BACKED OUT OF) DIDN'T INCLUDE ODOM.
What are you arguing? ::)