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Title: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: WC Iz Active on June 12, 2007, 05:52:08 PM
who is the better player?  I think its JO, his defense is wayyyyy better and imagine if he had Nash and Amare had Tinsley.
JO > Amare
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: floatin_above_everything on June 12, 2007, 06:04:16 PM
Amare imo, younger and quicker.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: WC Iz Active on June 12, 2007, 07:00:55 PM
Amare imo, younger and quicker.


dont be brainwashed by the media homie. only thing AMare does better than JO is dunk and thats it.  Jo is a much better overal player
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Don Jacob on June 12, 2007, 08:21:46 PM
Amare>JO

however i wouldn't mind having either on the lakers
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 12, 2007, 08:46:42 PM
Amare and no i dont have anything to say to support my opinion
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Vegasmac25 on June 12, 2007, 11:32:53 PM
Jermaine O Neal just cause i think he is a smarter player overall.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: GangstaBoogy on June 12, 2007, 11:37:58 PM
They're both great players.

J.O.: better defender, shot blocker, better passer
Amare: more athletic, quicker, stronger, stays in the post (what I want from a big man), but has more range

The one common problem is they both have a tendency of taking bad shots.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: jeromechickenbone on June 13, 2007, 01:23:19 AM
Amare>>>JO.  Even w/ microfracture.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: WC Iz Active on June 13, 2007, 01:51:16 AM
Amare>>>JO.  Even w/ microfracture.

LMAO.  JO > AMARE
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Sanford - V. President of the Dangerous Crew Movement on June 13, 2007, 10:48:52 AM
it would be interesting to see how Amare can play without Nash.  i think it would be significant difference in his all around game.

i think it depends what kind of team you have.  if you have an up and down team, that relies on quickens and speed, id take Amare.  if im on team that likes to slow it down, and pound you on the low block, ill take JO.  both great players though.   8)
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 13, 2007, 10:59:02 AM
JO...Don't believe the hype. Amare is good, but not great. He has a lot to work on before he is truly first-team material. EVERY player on the Suns is extremely overrated because of that system.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: floatin_above_everything on June 13, 2007, 09:05:14 PM
Amare imo, younger and quicker.


dont be brainwashed by the media homie. only thing AMare does better than JO is dunk and thats it.  Jo is a much better overal player

No, Amare is a better player, Jermaine also seriously lacks leadership skills and has been inconsitent the last year or 2.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: GangstaBoogy on June 13, 2007, 09:34:45 PM
Jermaine also seriously lacks leadership skills and has been inconsitent the last year or 2.

I wouldn't say all that. I mean, 3 years ago the Pacers were a hard ass team. But look whats happened to them since then: sideshow Artest got traded to Sacramento, Reggie retired, Andrew Bynum...uhh I mean Johnathan Bender retired, Tinsley hasn't really been healthy, Stephen Jackson came and never really worked out due to his behavior, and the list goes on. You can't expect any player to be a leader with that much BS going on.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: WC Iz Active on June 13, 2007, 09:41:54 PM
^^^no shit! Its amazing that Jo was able to do what he did considering what he had to deal with.  remember in 03-04 we won 61 games and JO finished 3rd in  mvp voting,   JO > Amare   EASILY    people are to brainwashed by the media
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Fuck Your Existence on June 13, 2007, 10:26:25 PM
Amare imo, younger and quicker.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: floatin_above_everything on June 14, 2007, 10:02:36 AM
Amare imo, younger and quicker.


When u have 2 players that are basically equally skilled, u always take the younger player. Spice I know ur a Pacers fan, but I think any NBA team would rather have Amare than JO.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 14, 2007, 10:08:40 AM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 10:19:43 AM
Amare imo, younger and quicker.


When u have 2 players that are basically equally skilled, u always take the younger player. Spice I know ur a Pacers fan, but I think any NBA team would rather have Amare than JO.


LOL@JO and Amare being equally skilled. :-X
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 10:26:57 AM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly


Everyone who plays against them gets inflated stats as well...LOL. What don't you understand? THE SYSTEM HELPS PLAYERS BECOME OVERRATED. The system is "7 seconds or less", meaning they will take way more shots than your average team during the duration of a game. Extra shots=more points. Extra shots=more rebounds. Extra shots=more assist. etc. etc.. Think about it...


Boris Diaw=10 million+ contract? LMAO
Steve Nash=MVP? LMAO
Amare Stoudemire=FIRST TEAM CENTER? LMAO
Shawn Marion=One of the best players in the league? LMAO
Leandro Barbosa=6th man of the year (over Ginobli)? LMAO
Tim Thomas=Clutch player with amazing stroke? LMAO
Eddie House=Tremendous offensive player? LMAO


THINK ABOUT IT.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: floatin_above_everything on June 14, 2007, 10:27:09 AM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly


Everyone who plays against them gets inflated stats as well...LOL. What don't you understand? THE SYSTEM HELPS PLAYERS BECOME OVERRATED. Think about it...


Boris Diaw=10 million+ contract? LMAO
Steve Nash=MVP? LMAO
Amare Stoudemire=FIRST TEAM CENTER? LMAO
Shawn Marion=One of the best players in the league? LMAO
Leandro Barbosa=6th man of the year (over Ginobli)? LMAO
Tim Thomas=Clutch player with amazing stroke? LMAO
Eddie House=Tremendous offensive player? LMAO


THINK ABOUT IT.

They bounced the "superior" Lakers out 2 years in a row right? But I forget how bias and butthurt you are sometimes. Now please tell me what skills Jermaine O'Neal has that are THAT much better than Amare's. Stoud is 2wice as powerful, has more range and is YOUNGER.

im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly

Jat speaking truth.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 14, 2007, 10:33:10 AM
^^ +1
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly


Everyone who plays against them gets inflated stats as well...LOL. What don't you understand? THE SYSTEM HELPS PLAYERS BECOME OVERRATED. Think about it...


Boris Diaw=10 million+ contract? LMAO
Steve Nash=MVP? LMAO
Amare Stoudemire=FIRST TEAM CENTER? LMAO
Shawn Marion=One of the best players in the league? LMAO
Leandro Barbosa=6th man of the year (over Ginobli)? LMAO
Tim Thomas=Clutch player with amazing stroke? LMAO
Eddie House=Tremendous offensive player? LMAO


THINK ABOUT IT.

They bounced the "superior" Lakers out 2 years in a row right? But I forget how bias and butthurt you are sometimes. Now please tell me what skills Jermaine O'Neal has that are THAT much better than Amare's. Stoud is 2wice as powerful, has more range and is YOUNGER.

im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly

Jat speaking truth.


^LOLLL. Unfortunately, you dont understand the difference between a skill player and a power player...Amare is an A-T-H-L-E-T-E... VERY LIMITTED on skill. JO is a skill player. Every skill of his is better than Amare's. Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out...Everything that has to do with skill, JO is better at. So please think about what you say before you say it...And why bring the Lakers into this? Then people ride my nuts for it. The Lakers, roster-wise, weren't close to where they wanted to be. The Suns, on the other hand, had the roster exactly like they wanted it...But why bring that up in a JO/Amare discussion? :grumpy:
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: floatin_above_everything on June 14, 2007, 10:37:08 AM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly


Everyone who plays against them gets inflated stats as well...LOL. What don't you understand? THE SYSTEM HELPS PLAYERS BECOME OVERRATED. Think about it...


Boris Diaw=10 million+ contract? LMAO
Steve Nash=MVP? LMAO
Amare Stoudemire=FIRST TEAM CENTER? LMAO
Shawn Marion=One of the best players in the league? LMAO
Leandro Barbosa=6th man of the year (over Ginobli)? LMAO
Tim Thomas=Clutch player with amazing stroke? LMAO
Eddie House=Tremendous offensive player? LMAO


THINK ABOUT IT.

They bounced the "superior" Lakers out 2 years in a row right? But I forget how bias and butthurt you are sometimes. Now please tell me what skills Jermaine O'Neal has that are THAT much better than Amare's. Stoud is 2wice as powerful, has more range and is YOUNGER.

im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly

Jat speaking truth.


^LOLLL. Unfortunately, you dont understand the difference between a skill player and a power player...Amare is an A-T-H-L-E-T-E... VERY LIMITTED on skill. JO is a skill player. Every skill of his is better than Amare's. Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out...Everything that has to do with skill, JO is better at. So please think about what you say before you say it...And why bring the Lakers into this? Then people ride my nuts for it. The Lakers, roster-wise, weren't close to where they wanted to be. The Suns, on the other hand, had the roster exactly like they wanted it...But why bring that up in a JO/Amare discussion? :grumpy:

Why...because you discredit Amare and all Phoenix players just because they bounce out your team 2WICE. ( it's hard not to bring the Lakers up when u make dumb ass statments cuz you admittly cockride ). LMAO at JO's post game being better than Amare's. They are both athletes kid, Amare has PLENTY of skill, trust that only a select few big men would be able to thrive offensivley with Phoenix. I would tell you to think about what you say before you say it, but we all know your incapable of it.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 14, 2007, 10:40:14 AM
my question to u Nik is where the fuck do u work at that allows u to chill on dubcc all day. if i wasn't the owner of the building no way i could do what u do
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 11:04:03 AM
my question to u Nik is where the fuck do u work at that allows u to chill on dubcc all day. if i wasn't the owner of the building no way i could do what u do


Office Manager at a casting company...I do all the computer work (excell, quickbooks, etc.) and it ain't monitered. ;D
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 11:04:30 AM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly


Everyone who plays against them gets inflated stats as well...LOL. What don't you understand? THE SYSTEM HELPS PLAYERS BECOME OVERRATED. Think about it...


Boris Diaw=10 million+ contract? LMAO
Steve Nash=MVP? LMAO
Amare Stoudemire=FIRST TEAM CENTER? LMAO
Shawn Marion=One of the best players in the league? LMAO
Leandro Barbosa=6th man of the year (over Ginobli)? LMAO
Tim Thomas=Clutch player with amazing stroke? LMAO
Eddie House=Tremendous offensive player? LMAO


THINK ABOUT IT.

They bounced the "superior" Lakers out 2 years in a row right? But I forget how bias and butthurt you are sometimes. Now please tell me what skills Jermaine O'Neal has that are THAT much better than Amare's. Stoud is 2wice as powerful, has more range and is YOUNGER.

im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly

Jat speaking truth.


^LOLLL. Unfortunately, you dont understand the difference between a skill player and a power player...Amare is an A-T-H-L-E-T-E... VERY LIMITTED on skill. JO is a skill player. Every skill of his is better than Amare's. Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out...Everything that has to do with skill, JO is better at. So please think about what you say before you say it...And why bring the Lakers into this? Then people ride my nuts for it. The Lakers, roster-wise, weren't close to where they wanted to be. The Suns, on the other hand, had the roster exactly like they wanted it...But why bring that up in a JO/Amare discussion? :grumpy:

Why...because you discredit Amare and all Phoenix players just because they bounce out your team 2WICE. ( it's hard not to bring the Lakers up when u make dumb ass statments cuz you admittly cockride ). LMAO at JO's post game being better than Amare's. They are both athletes kid, Amare has PLENTY of skill, trust that only a select few big men would be able to thrive offensivley with Phoenix. I would tell you to think about what you say before you say it, but we all know your incapable of it.


See, who starts with all the pathetic personal attacks? I'm incapable of thinking? LOL. YOU JUST SAID AMARE IS A BETTER SKILL PLAYER THAN JO, YOU DUMBSHIT. Amare is a power player, a pure athlete. He's the perfect big man for Phoenix's system, because he's fast and agile. That's what he has on JO. If you fuckin' knew the first thing about basketball, you wouldn't be arguing this. AMARE HAS NOOOO BACK-TO-THE-BASKET GAME. He needs to develop post moves, because 99% of his baskets are either spoon-fed or dunks off of rebounds...Do you fucking watch the Suns, shithead? Have you watched a single game with JO? I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 14, 2007, 11:06:57 AM
my question to u Nik is where the fuck do u work at that allows u to chill on dubcc all day. if i wasn't the owner of the building no way i could do what u do


Office Manager at a casting company...I do all the computer work (excell, quickbooks, etc.) and it ain't monitered. ;D

proper
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: GangstaBoogy on June 14, 2007, 11:57:29 AM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly

True. Thats why our team is struggling right now - we don't have the right players to run the triangle.


Amare Stoudemire=FIRST TEAM CENTER? LMAO

Where's the funny part? Everyone (including you) thought he was over last year. Then he comes back, plays all 82 games, leads the team in scoring, and put up career highs in rebounding, field goal percentage, and free-throw percentage.  Shake the hate off - its a new day.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 12:02:10 PM
^POINT IS, HE HAS A LOT TO WORK ON BEFORE HE IS FIRST TEAM MATERIAL.


Check EVERY analysts projection for first team this year...Most people didn't even have Amare on ANY team... :-X
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: GangstaBoogy on June 14, 2007, 12:08:55 PM
Are you yelling at me?
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 12:09:42 PM
Are you yelling at me?


Just thought maybe you'd comprehend better with bigger letters...Was worth a try.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: floatin_above_everything on June 14, 2007, 12:56:54 PM
im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly


Everyone who plays against them gets inflated stats as well...LOL. What don't you understand? THE SYSTEM HELPS PLAYERS BECOME OVERRATED. Think about it...


Boris Diaw=10 million+ contract? LMAO
Steve Nash=MVP? LMAO
Amare Stoudemire=FIRST TEAM CENTER? LMAO
Shawn Marion=One of the best players in the league? LMAO
Leandro Barbosa=6th man of the year (over Ginobli)? LMAO
Tim Thomas=Clutch player with amazing stroke? LMAO
Eddie House=Tremendous offensive player? LMAO


THINK ABOUT IT.

They bounced the "superior" Lakers out 2 years in a row right? But I forget how bias and butthurt you are sometimes. Now please tell me what skills Jermaine O'Neal has that are THAT much better than Amare's. Stoud is 2wice as powerful, has more range and is YOUNGER.

im sick and tired about hearing about the suns system. the system is only as good as the guys that run it and they fuckin run it perfectly

Jat speaking truth.


^LOLLL. Unfortunately, you dont understand the difference between a skill player and a power player...Amare is an A-T-H-L-E-T-E... VERY LIMITTED on skill. JO is a skill player. Every skill of his is better than Amare's. Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out...Everything that has to do with skill, JO is better at. So please think about what you say before you say it...And why bring the Lakers into this? Then people ride my nuts for it. The Lakers, roster-wise, weren't close to where they wanted to be. The Suns, on the other hand, had the roster exactly like they wanted it...But why bring that up in a JO/Amare discussion? :grumpy:

Why...because you discredit Amare and all Phoenix players just because they bounce out your team 2WICE. ( it's hard not to bring the Lakers up when u make dumb ass statments cuz you admittly cockride ). LMAO at JO's post game being better than Amare's. They are both athletes kid, Amare has PLENTY of skill, trust that only a select few big men would be able to thrive offensivley with Phoenix. I would tell you to think about what you say before you say it, but we all know your incapable of it.


See, who starts with all the pathetic personal attacks? I'm incapable of thinking? LOL. YOU JUST SAID AMARE IS A BETTER SKILL PLAYER THAN JO, YOU DUMBSHIT. Amare is a power player, a pure athlete. He's the perfect big man for Phoenix's system, because he's fast and agile. That's what he has on JO. If you fuckin' knew the first thing about basketball, you wouldn't be arguing this. AMARE HAS NOOOO BACK-TO-THE-BASKET GAME. He needs to develop post moves, because 99% of his baskets are either spoon-fed or dunks off of rebounds...Do you fucking watch the Suns, shithead? Have you watched a single game with JO? I highly doubt it.

Amare IS better than JO. They are about equal in skills, and head to head, there numbers were pretty much the same. The difference is, Phoenix won both of those games, and Amare is YOUNGER, therefore has more potential and is BETTER. And you stay making these personal attacks sonny, whats with all the cursing, you must be hurting your keyboard.

LMAO at your bitter ass saying 99% of Amare's baskets are spoon fed dunks or dunks off rebounds, please show me that stat insider. How can you claim to be a real fan when you don't even take what your typing seriously?
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 02:13:44 PM
LMAO@This sorry moron steady claimin Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Even Amare would slap your dumb ass for that one.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: WC Iz Active on June 14, 2007, 02:14:11 PM
everyone listen to Nik,  he knows what hes talkin about.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 14, 2007, 02:42:19 PM
^^ is that ur idea of some kind of a sick joke?
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: GangstaBoogy on June 14, 2007, 03:00:25 PM
^ lmao +1
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: 7even on June 14, 2007, 03:05:56 PM
LMAO@This sorry moron steady claimin Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Even Amare would slap your dumb ass for that one.

People who can't accept opinions are the funniest.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 04:07:15 PM
LMAO@This sorry moron steady claimin Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Even Amare would slap your dumb ass for that one.

People who can't accept opinions are the funniest.



And my opinion is that it's FUCKING MORONIC to claim Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Imagine JO with Amare's speed and power.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: 7even on June 14, 2007, 04:15:18 PM
LMAO@This sorry moron steady claimin Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Even Amare would slap your dumb ass for that one.

People who can't accept opinions are the funniest.



And my opinion is that it's FUCKING MORONIC to claim Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Imagine JO with Amare's speed and power.

You're a hypocrite dawg. When people are dissing you for your opinions, you're acting as if doing that was crazy and inappropriate because "all you give is your opinion", "you only say what you truly believe", "people who can't accept opinions are the funniest"... etc, but then you turn around and diss people for their opinions.

Also, the question was who is the better player and not who is "Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out..."
You're over-analyzing it. JO might really be better at those things. But speed, power and those things do also play a role when it comes to who is the better player.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 14, 2007, 04:21:20 PM
LMAO@This sorry moron steady claimin Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Even Amare would slap your dumb ass for that one.

People who can't accept opinions are the funniest.



And my opinion is that it's FUCKING MORONIC to claim Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Imagine JO with Amare's speed and power.

You're a hypocrite dawg. When people are dissing you for your opinions, you're acting as if doing that was crazy and inappropriate because "all you give is your opinion", "you only say what you truly believe", "people who can't accept opinions are the funniest"... etc, but then you turn around and diss people for their opinions.

Also, the question was who is the better player and not who is "Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out..."
You're over-analyzing it. JO might really be better at those things. But speed, power and those things do also play a role when it comes to who is the better player.


Don't be a douchebag...Look who got personal with it first. Read the thread over front to back before you decide to comment again...
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: floatin_above_everything on June 14, 2007, 04:26:39 PM
LMAO@This sorry moron steady claimin Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Even Amare would slap your dumb ass for that one.

People who can't accept opinions are the funniest.



And my opinion is that it's FUCKING MORONIC to claim Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Imagine JO with Amare's speed and power.

You're a hypocrite dawg. When people are dissing you for your opinions, you're acting as if doing that was crazy and inappropriate because "all you give is your opinion", "you only say what you truly believe", "people who can't accept opinions are the funniest"... etc, but then you turn around and diss people for their opinions.

Also, the question was who is the better player and not who is "Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out..."
You're over-analyzing it. JO might really be better at those things. But speed, power and those things do also play a role when it comes to who is the better player.


Don't be a douchebag...Look who got personal with it first. Read the thread over front to back before you decide to comment again...

NIK it doesn't matter regardless, when you respond to me you ALWAYS disrespect. Stoudamire=O'neal=equally skilled players. Stoudamire, more playoff success, stronger, younger...right now amare stoudamire>jermiane o'neal.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Fuck Your Existence on June 14, 2007, 04:39:45 PM
first of all,its not like the NBA of today is chalk full of first rate centers. It really aint that hard to start at center. secondly,even if you dont think they are comparable skillwise(which i do) the fact is that Amare is much younger.He has the chance to grow still and is twice as athletic even after fuckin up his knee... so either way Amare has a way bigger upside.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 14, 2007, 10:25:40 PM
Agreed amare isnt as good as JO in the post and from the perimeter, but JO can't finish and dominate in the middle like amare can. He sure as hell can't board and block shots like amare either. Oh and 1 more thing JO plays in the east and according to NIK thats a absolutely huge advantage for JO
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: WC Iz Active on June 14, 2007, 11:09:49 PM
^^^LMAO!!!!!   JO cant block shots like Amare!?!?!?!?!?! That has to be a joke man!  JO is pound for pound the best shot blocker in the league, Amare for a big man is a average shotblocker at best. LMAo at that statenment homie,  JO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Amare
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 15, 2007, 12:29:26 AM
Agreed amare isnt as good as JO in the post and from the perimeter, but JO can't finish and dominate in the middle like amare can. He sure as hell can't board and block shots like amare either. Oh and 1 more thing JO plays in the east and according to NIK thats a absolutely huge advantage for JO


LOL. JO is a better rebounder and a WAYYY better defender than Amare. LMFAO@JO can't block shots. Come on now, man. And playing in the east is an advantage, but not nearly as much as playing in Phoenix's system...Especially if we're speaking stats. Would you say Steve Nash is a better passer than Jason Kidd? With Phoenix's system helping boost Nash's assists totals, it sure makes it seem like Nash would be clearly a much superior passer...But we all know that's not true. Remember how Boris Diaw looked in Amare's shoes last year? Just THINK about it.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 15, 2007, 12:31:50 AM
LMAO@This sorry moron steady claimin Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Even Amare would slap your dumb ass for that one.

People who can't accept opinions are the funniest.



And my opinion is that it's FUCKING MORONIC to claim Amare and JO are equal skillwise. Imagine JO with Amare's speed and power.

You're a hypocrite dawg. When people are dissing you for your opinions, you're acting as if doing that was crazy and inappropriate because "all you give is your opinion", "you only say what you truly believe", "people who can't accept opinions are the funniest"... etc, but then you turn around and diss people for their opinions.

Also, the question was who is the better player and not who is "Better back-to-the-basket game. Better jumper. Better defensive skills. Better footwork. Better box-out..."
You're over-analyzing it. JO might really be better at those things. But speed, power and those things do also play a role when it comes to who is the better player.


Don't be a douchebag...Look who got personal with it first. Read the thread over front to back before you decide to comment again...

NIK it doesn't matter regardless, when you respond to me you ALWAYS disrespect. Stoudamire=O'neal=equally skilled players. Stoudamire, more playoff success, stronger, younger...right now amare stoudamire>jermiane o'neal.


Like I said, look who got disrespectful to begin with..
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 15, 2007, 09:24:49 AM
PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG PTS EFF RPG APG STPG BLKPG EFF48M EFF
1 Kevin Garnett , MIN   76 39.2  22.4  29.2  12.8  4.1  1.2  1.66  35.53  29.17 
2 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL   78 36.8  24.6  26.9  8.9  3.4  0.7  0.8  35.71  26.9 
3 Carlos Boozer , UTA   74 34.6  20.9  25.8  11.7  3.0  0.9  0.28  35.86  25.81 
4 LeBron James , CLE   78 40.9  27.3  25.6  6.7  6.0  1.6  0.7  30.05  25.6 
5 Pau Gasol , MEM   59 35.4  20.8  25.5  9.8  3.4  0.5  2.14  33.85  25.49 
6 Chris Bosh , TOR   69 38.5  22.6  25.3  10.7  2.5  0.6  1.3  31.59  25.35 
7 Elton Brand , LAC   80 38.4  20.5  25.0  9.3  2.9  1.0  2.24  31.18  24.99 
8 Shawn Marion , PHX   80 37.4  17.5  24.1  9.8  1.7  2.0  1.52  30.76  24.11 
9 Amare Stoudemire , PHX   82 32.7  20.4  23.4  9.6  1.0  1.0  1.34  34.29  23.43 
10 Carmelo Anthony , DEN   65 37.3  28.9  23.3  6.0  3.8  1.2  0.34  29.28  23.32 
11 Dwight Howard , ORL   82 36.2  17.6  23.1  12.3  1.9  0.9  1.9  30.08  23.11 
12 Zach Randolph , POR   68 35.7  23.6  22.4  10.1  2.2  0.8  0.22  30.15  22.4 
13 Emeka Okafor , CHA   67 34.7  14.4  21.7  11.3  1.2  0.9  2.57  29.93  21.67 
14 Rashard Lewis , SEA   60 38.7  22.4  21.3  6.6  2.4  1.1  0.65  26.17  21.33 
15 Tracy McGrady , HOU   71 35.5  24.6  21.3  5.3  6.5  1.3  0.51  28.6  21.31 
16 Paul Pierce , BOS   47 36.4  25.0  21.1  5.9  4.1  1.0  0.28  27.42  21.15 
17 Lamar Odom , LAL   56 39.1  15.9  21.1  9.8  4.8  0.9  0.57  25.76  21.11 
18 Jermaine O'Neal , IND   69 35.1  19.4  21.0  9.6  2.4  0.7  2.64  28.29  21.0
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 15, 2007, 09:25:26 AM
^^^efficency ratings
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Hatesrats™ on June 15, 2007, 09:43:14 AM
IMO, they are both = When it comes to being very, very injury prone.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: teecee on June 15, 2007, 12:25:09 PM
IMO, they are both = When it comes to being very, very injury prone.

Stoudemire played all 82 games this year homie, and only got better as the  year went on.  All of this after major surgery when most players have relapses and side effects. 

Stoudemire is WAY more athletic, but still raw.  There is no doubt he will be way better than Oneal eventually, but right now its pretty close
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 15, 2007, 12:48:25 PM
^^^efficency ratings


I guess KG is the best in the league then...And Boozer, Brand, Gasol, and Bosh all shoulda made the 1st team over Amare according to those "efficency ratings". :-X
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 15, 2007, 12:49:02 PM
There is no doubt he will be way better than Oneal eventually,



Yes there is.
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Bay Area Jat on June 15, 2007, 04:28:58 PM
^^^efficency ratings


I guess KG is the best in the league then...And Boozer, Brand, Gasol, and Bosh all shoulda made the 1st team over Amare according to those "efficency ratings". :-X

i think kobe is #1 amongst SG's in "efficiency ratings" so i guess ur right it doesn't mean much 8) Grandy Daddy Purple
Title: Re: Jermaine Oneal or Amare Stoudemire
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on June 15, 2007, 05:40:30 PM
^^^efficency ratings


I guess KG is the best in the league then...And Boozer, Brand, Gasol, and Bosh all shoulda made the 1st team over Amare according to those "efficency ratings". :-X

i think kobe is #1 amongst SG's in "efficiency ratings" so i guess ur right it doesn't mean much 8) Grandy Daddy Purple


Really? Who's a better shooting guard than Kobe? LOL. 8) OG Kush.