West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: RivieraIII on August 15, 2001, 04:25:14 PM
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Yep. Slim Shady hooked with the most hated rapper on this site: JAY-Z. They teamed for The Blueprint droppin' Sept 18th on a track called "The Renegades" produced by Em himself. If y'all don't believe me, check www.360hiphop.com. So to all y'all who were already claiming weeks ago that Tha Blueprint will have no guest appearance, guess what, that was bullshit (Michael Jackson is even slatted to appear on Jigga's album). But yeah, what do u think the Jigga-Eminem collabo will be like????????
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jay z is in no way the most hated rapper on this site, he is one of the best doing it today, and i am getting this album cause its gonna be lik ea comeback to his reasonable doubt days, with lots of disses and shitt....this album is gonna be nice, and i am glad eminem is on it
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how is Jigga hated...everyone respects his mic skills...his situation is the same as Eminem...a lot of people don't like him but respect the man's skills...
i don't really care that Eminem is on The Blueprint...nothing important to me...but i'm definitely syked about the Jigga/M.J. collabo though...
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I'm a serious JIGGA fan but peeps be hatin' him on this site saying he's overatted and such... which is bullshit; he's simply DOPE... His collabo with EM should be the bomb...
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I thought Kurupt & Daz were gonna be on it too, wasnt Daz gonna produced some songs, and Kurupt was gonna be on a cut or two?
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Jay aint tha most hated, he's after mack 10, cash money, silk tha shocker etc..........
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i know i think nelly holds that crown as most hated on this site, followed by ja rule....
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im a big jay z fan...he just frustrates me sometimes.
this isnt really a suprise to me...its odvious why jay wants eminem on there ($$$$$$$$$) and eminem has always said hes a jay z fan.....i remember him once saying that the only people in hip hop besides himself and dre who he would work with that he hadnt already were wu tang, redman, and jay z.
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jay-z isnt the most hated, ja rule, nelly, no limit , cash money are the most hated
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I DON GIVE A FLYIN MOTHAFUCK BOUT WHAT PIPZ ON DIS SITE THINK OF JIGGA......I AM LOVIN EVERY FUCKIN BEAT PIECE DAT JIGGA DROPEZ....
OH.....I THINK EM AND JIGGA COLLABO IZ GON BE DOPE....COMMON....2 DOPE MCZ....TOGEHTER CANT DO SHIT WRONG....
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he's also gonna have biz markie, q tip and slick rick on dat album too.
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he's also gonna have biz markie, q tip and slick rick on dat album too.
than y da fuk hav i been hearing ppl saying dat there are no guest appearence in his new album ???
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than y da fuk hav i been hearing ppl saying dat there are no guest appearence in his new album ???
He did state that a while back, prehaps he was feelin' spontaneous ???
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I thought Puffy was the most hated rapper (if that is what he is) on this board.
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Jigga hated or not, the collabo with Em should be bangin'...
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i put 5 dollars on the table that eminem outshine's jigga
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^^^ no way...Jigga is a much nicer MC when he tries...otherwise they on some equal shit...
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i dunno though cuz on dead wrong eminem is rapping with what many eastcoast heads consider to be the greatest rapper ever in biggy who spits 3 DOPE verses and eminem steals the show
but i disagree though eminem at his best is nicer than jay-z in his reasonable doubt prime, they're the difference between nas (eminem) and jadakiss (jay-z)
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true about that B.I.G. song but that was some recycled shit so he didnt get to actually write his shit to match Em's
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EM SHINED ON DEAD WRONG...BUT HE DIN"T OUTSHINE BIGGIE...
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i still think eminem's verse on dead wrong is one of his weaker ones.....but everyone seems to disagree with me....maybe im crazy?!
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fuck i'm hella hyped up about this album...Jigga better bring heat or else i'm gonna give up on him for good...hopefully this will be the stand out album of the year that i'm looking for...
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yo....the big jigga nigga wit the great white american hope will most likely rip shit up....
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Eminem DID outshine BIGGIE on Dead Wrong and that was a young-hungry-as-fuck Biggie on there... Doesn't mean that Em will be sicker than Jigga on the new joint, but at least Em ALWAYS gives 100% of himself on record. With Jigga, it depends of the beat and shit, but in my opinion he accomplished more than Em in Hip Hop so far (and is crazy versatile). So who's the tightest???? I don't fuckin' know... That's a hard choice (Em is ridiculous though)...
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but in my opinion he accomplished more than Em in Hip Hop so far (and is crazy versatile).
Jigga has got many mainstream yrs on Em though so u can't really say that shit.
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Jigga has got many mainstream yrs on Em though so u can't really say that shit.
U're right but read the rest of my post...
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how does jay-z have more success
jay-z has one 1 grammy
eminem has won like 5
jay-z has sold 9 million album
eminem has sold more than that with one record
jay-z has mostly eastcoast respect
eminem has respect in the east west south rock raver and pop world's
how is jay-z more versitile? his voice is the same monotone one and every artist jay-z has worked with eminem has or has worked with better
so don't even say that
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U're right but read the rest of my post...
Thats what stood out in your post.....now u read Jake's post. Jay-Z mite of been around longer but after readin' that you'll see that when Em comes upto tha amount of yrs he has on him his success is gonna overload if he continues bringing the heat.
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Jay-Z is more versatile cause he got more topics and diversity...he got the same lyrical skill...he has made a HUGE impact in hip hop! he has more influence in hip hop than Eminem...Jigga got all these clones copying his style and flow...he has an agruable CLASSIC...so he has accomplished a shit load more than Em...Jigga is qualified to be put into the G.O.A.T. category as well for all the accomplishments and influences he has...
Em's record sales dont mean shit cause record sales dont mean shit...the extra record sales come from the white rockers, ravers, and pop fans that you are talkin about..."the great white hope" oh how true that phrase is...
Grammy's arent even voted by the Hip Hop community just old white people so we now know why Eminem won all those times...no credibility there...his MMLP fuckin beat 2001...thats fucking luda luda ludacris!
when i see a gang of MC's copying Eminems whole steelo and claiming him as a G.O.A.T. then he'll be on Jigga's level...when he drops a record that people other than his fans call CLASSIC then he'll be on Jigga's level...
Jigga has respect all over like Eminem...how can u say that Jigga only has respect from the east...so Pac only had respect from the WEST and B.I.G. only had respect from the east too?
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Jay-Z is more versatile cause he got more topics and diversity...he got the same lyrical skill...he has made a HUGE impact in hip hop! he has more influence in hip hop than Eminem...Jigga got all these clones copying his style and flow...he has an agruable CLASSIC...so he has accomplished a shit load more than Em...Jigga is qualified to be put into the G.O.A.T. category as well for all the accomplishments and influences he has...
Em's record sales dont mean shit cause record sales dont mean shit...
Grammy's arent even voted by the Hip Hop community just old white people so we now know why Eminem won...no credibility there...
when i see a gang of MC's copying Eminems whole steelo and claiming him as a G.O.A.T. then he'll be on Jigga's level...when he drops a record that people other than his fans call CLASSIC then he'll be on Jigga's level...
i disagree eminem has more topics in his music , they're more personal and stuff that's not really touched on by alot of rap artists....jay-z's topics are already topics that have saturated hip hop for years "poppin' ice " "poppin' collars" and "cockin' glocks".....em's lyrics have a braoder range so no don't say that jay-z's topic range is broader than em's ..not to diss you but that's bull shit
as far influence....i only see one cat coming up trying to be like jay-z, and that's dj clue's new cat fabulous...and all this terrible "flawsing" trend that's the only influence jay-z has besides just being a big name
eminem made it ok for white people to rap again...sure the beastie boys have been on it for a while but they're more geared to rock and alternative audiences than anything...but eminem is the first white MC to put it down...if you havn't noticed timbaland's got a white boy now called bubba sparx who's pretty damn good , puffy's got a white boy named kain whose reasonably good, and if you havn't noticed that whole rap/rock movement didn't start to get big until eminem came in the game....eminem's influence is being felt as we speak , and it's a possitive influence, you wanna talk about how jigga's flow is being copied? naw jigga's flow is an already copied flow it's derived from slick rick and a couple of other old school cats and the only real jay-z clone like i said is fabulous
and about people copying eminem's flow....you obviously need to check other genres and the underground to see his whole image being copied...also you can flip mtv on and see that one "shaniqua" video by little t and see a STARTLING resemblance to eminem's flow and subject mannor, and you need to check sohh.com's board cuz theres a gang of fools saying that eminem is already a GOAT or will be one of the GOAT's
and classic's??? reasonable doubt is considered jigga's only classic...but eminem's infinate is considered an underground classic, slim shady lp is considered a classic and some cats think marshall mathers Lp is a near classic...i don't thin MMLP is classic but it is a 4/5 mic album
and yes eminem's sales figures do mean somthing becuase jay-'z album sell normally 2 mill and half of those sales are based in the eastcoast alone, it was said he goes platnum in new york alone...so jigga's numbers mostly come from his region....as aposed to em's.....they come equally from all over
i'm cool with you westcoastvet but seriously you made yourself look not that smart
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*sigh* now i have to write a long as post again damn...and i'm cool with you too but how do i not look smart...i have stated many validated opinions that i have gathered from many hip hop sites on this Jigga/Em topic...
1. Versatility - Jigga Does Not Only Rap About "Materialistic" Topics...If That Is The Case Eminem Only Raps About "Bitching About The Media" And "Sick Demented" Shit...Jigga Has Personal Songs As Well...Jigga Can Switch Flows From His Modern Flow To His Past "Speed Rap" Style From The Hawaiian Sophie Days...
2. Influence - Yes I Agree With You. The "Flossing" Trend Is The Only Influence That Jigga Has Had. But Look How HUGE It Is. Almost Everyone Has Used It. Not Only Hip Hop But Other Genres Like R&B As Well. My Argument Wasn't About Whether The Impact Was Positive Or Negative But On How Big The Impact Was. And Jigga Is Definitely More Influential. I Agree That Eminem Made It Cool For White MC's To Come Out Again But Thats Only A Handful Of Artists. Limp Bizkit Made The Whole Rap/Rock Thing Popular With Their Album Three Dollar Bills Yall. That Album Came Out In 1998 And Eminem Came Out In 1999.
3. Flow - Jigga Copied Slick Rick? I Don't See Any Resemblance. You Mean Snoop Dogg Copied Slick Rick's Laid Back Flow. You Must Mistaken Slick Rick With Big Daddy Kane. Jigga Was Influenced By Kane But They Have Totally Different Flows.
4. Albums - Reasonable Doubt Is Considered A CLASSIC By The Majority Of HIP HOP. The Infinite EP Is CLASSIC To A Handful Of People Mostly Backpackers And Underground Heads. Like I Said The SSLP And MMLP Are Considered CLASSICS By Eminem's Fans. I Thought The SSLP Was A Near CLASSIC Though.
5. Sales - If The Majority Of Ppl Buying Jigga's Albums Are From The EAST Then Eminem Sold So Much Cause Mostly Teenyboppers Bought His Shit. I Have No Proof On Either Of These Statements But I'm Just Making Assumptions Like You.
*Ah* I Don't Wanna Argue And Write Anymore. You Haven't Changed My Opinion And I'm Sure I Haven't Changed Yours On The Topic. But The Reason Why I'm Defending Jigga Is Cause I Read An Excellent LONG Thread On Jigga's Influence On Y2HipHop.Com That Was Actually Directed To The Homie Hellrazor. Well The Thread Completely Opened Up My Eyes To The Influence Of Jigga Man Cause The Guy Who Wrote It Went Into Every Detail...The Other Guy Obviously Wrote It Better Than Me...I'm Just Trying To Remember What He Said...Thats Why My Agruments Sound So Chopped Up...Oh Well :P
Peace G...By The Way! I AM SMART! ;D
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Eminem is better and more influential, and that's the bottem line...
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Em and Jigga are almost on the same level...The only thing Jigga has on Em is that he's been out longer so he has more records under his belt...Reasonable doubt was classic, VOL 1 was very dope but since then Jigga has been very inconsistent with his releases...As for Em his 2 releases on Aftermath aren't as good as The Slim Shady EP IMO...Slim Shady LP was dope but he went down a little with his bullshit subject matter on Marshall Mathers...Regardless both are two of the dopest lyricists in the game when they want to be...
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Thanks for feelin' my thread y'all... At the end of the day I love both of'em...