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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Bishop on August 21, 2001, 03:39:38 PM
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that topic got locked for some reason... but someone wrote the following...
"i agree Bone is really influential especially in the Mid West division of hip hop...when they came out look at all the groups that followed...Crucial Conflict, Do Or Die, Three 6 Mafia [Yeh I Know They SOUTH But They Used To Sound Like Bone], Twista [Got A New Deal After Bone Dropped], Speed Knot Mobstaz, etc...now you got peeps like Nelly that is obviously influenced by Bone with his sing song flow..."
when did Bone come out, like '94. Chi-town and Memphis have been laying it down for longer than that. Bone came out and it was similiar, but at the same time it was different. Fact is that Bone cannot touch Twista, they didn't really have much to do with influencing the Chi-town style and I'd love for someone to tell Juicy J or DJ Paul that Bone had influenced them, yeah right. Three six was layin it down for like 5+ years even before Live By Yo Rep came out. Draw a line from Chicago through Louiville and down to Memphis and along that road you got cats that you aint never heard of that Bone can't touch.
That being said, I got much love for Bone and I consider them to be in the top five. I just got more love for the underground scene in the three cities I mentioned.
My pick for best group even though they ain't never sold one commercial album yet... Psycho Drama. Buy this months Murder Dog, the one with Snoop on it and finally the rest of America can see Yung Buk and Psydes picture. They the hottest group out there and according to the article, the flood gates are about to be opened and the songs are coming out.
Also, Crucial Conflict has gone gold twice without much publicity sittin on Pallas Records, they hot too, and they bout to be coming out with a bunch of new stuff. And anyday now someone from Louisville is gonna come out and get everyones attention.
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THANK YOU!
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I dunno who wrote dat, but bone DO NOT sound anythin like 3-6 mafia.
Also they came out in '90 with the independent "faces of death".
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I got much love for Bone and I consider them to be in the top five.
THANK YOU
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Now go and Lock this one too.
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Bone was doing they thing from Cleveland and it's all good... but you know how some people are like Dre and Snoop and before them Ice T "made" the west... well Bone didn't "make" shit, except for a name for themselves. They didn't really influence anybody. They were flipping a style that was already formed... they took it to there own level and molded a style of there own but they didnt come up with nutin new. Trust me Chicago don't need no help from Bone.
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the reason i put bone in the top five is because they have a history, they have released some real classic shit and they've stacked they money... so you have to show your respect and place em... BUT, if Chicago or Memphis or Louisville or Cincy or any of these other midwest towns got some financial backin like Eazy E gave Bone... then Bone might not last in the top five.
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U can not say Bone stole their style from 3-6 cause they dont sound nothin like em, and u cant say they stole their style from Twista cause dats like sayin DPG stole NWA's style but made it alittle different.
Bone have a SINGNATUE style and dats dat.
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aight... THERE IS NO ONE ELSE OUT THERE LIKE BONE... but there are a whole roster of groups in the midwest, that Bone wouldn't be able to touch if they ever got out...
sure the Speedknot Mobstaz ain't got nutin on Bone... but Bone ain't got nutin on Twista...
and they not in the same ballpark as Psycho Drama... that's like some Jordan vs. Ehlo shit.. lol
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that topic got locked for some reason... but someone wrote the following...
"i agree Bone is really influential especially in the Mid West division of hip hop...when they came out look at all the groups that followed...Crucial Conflict, Do Or Die, Three 6 Mafia [Yeh I Know They SOUTH But They Used To Sound Like Bone], Twista [Got A New Deal After Bone Dropped], Speed Knot Mobstaz, etc...now you got peeps like Nelly that is obviously influenced by Bone with his sing song flow..."
when did Bone come out, like '94. Chi-town and Memphis have been laying it down for longer than that. Bone came out and it was similiar, but at the same time it was different. Fact is that Bone cannot touch Twista, they didn't really have much to do with influencing the Chi-town style and I'd love for someone to tell Juicy J or DJ Paul that Bone had influenced them, yeah right. Three six was layin it down for like 5+ years even before Live By Yo Rep came out. Draw a line from Chicago through Louiville and down to Memphis and along that road you got cats that you aint never heard of that Bone can't touch.
what i meant as "influential" is Bone brought Mid West hip hop into the limelight and i wasn't referring to the style...i should have made that more clear...anyways they opened doors for Mid West just like how Eminem re-opened doors for white mc's...
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Bloody HELL this has turned out to be one HELL of an argument.
Now i can't really be bothered to get involved in this disscusion coz i don't want to write a lot but i'll say this. BONE have just as much right to be considered as being one of the BEST hip hop groups as anyone else. To say other wise simply to ME means they are closed minded individuals. (and possibly bone haters).
Bone have been around longer than many of the groups metioned on ppls lists, they have accomplished more than 80% of the groups mentioned, have dropped many great albums and have definetly been historical.
Basically you can hate Bone all you ppl want but to denie them to be in the best group category is plain STUPID.
Im out.
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Bone was doing they thing from Cleveland and it's all good... but you know how some people are like Dre and Snoop and before them Ice T "made" the west... well Bone didn't "make" shit, except for a name for themselves. They didn't really influence anybody. They were flipping a style that was already formed... they took it to there own level and molded a style of there own but they didnt come up with nutin new. Trust me Chicago don't need no help from Bone.
Thats the most absurd thing ive heard. How the fuck you gonna say Bone didnt have any impact?? E.1999 Eternal is the BLUEPRINT for midwest hip hop. Oh, and for the record, Bone is 348872368920860298 x better than Physco Drama and Twista. What the fuck has Physco Drama done on the level that Bone has. Nobody outside of Chicago even knows who the fuck they are. Neither Physco Drama or Twista has even come close to dropping an album on the same level as E.1999 Eternal.
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you're right... Psycho Drama hasn't dropped any albums on the level of E.1999... they haven't released anything yet. there's a Greatest Hits CD that's for all intents and purposes not in print and then they are on a bunch of underground chi town mixes... that's why I say Bone is in the top 5 right now...
BUT, if Psycho Drama ever got some backing and was able to start releasing their material, it'd be clear who has more talent.
I love Krayzie Bone to death... but come on, ain't no one as tight as Yung Buk
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and also... I know you've heard Crook County by Twista (there's two versions... the album version and then one that includes Buk and Psyde)... Twista rips Bone on the last verse
now I know that everythings all good now after Midwest Invasion and all, and I'm not stirring up old beef, I'm stating who's got more talent
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I always liked Three 6 Mafia since they droped their underground shit, and they never sounded Midwest...
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and also... I know you've heard Crook County by Twista (there's two versions... the album version and then one that includes Buk and Psyde)... Twista rips Bone on the last verse
now I know that everythings all good now after Midwest Invasion and all, and I'm not stirring up old beef, I'm stating who's got more talent
Well, I disagree, but each to their own.
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I always liked Three 6 Mafia since they droped their underground shit, and they never sounded Midwest...
the whole "dark side" theme is VERY similar to three 6 mafia's "death side" the best example that i can show you is three six mafia's first comercial released album, but if i could rip you some undground shit from the early 90's and the resemblance is crazy
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Basically you can hate Bone all you ppl want but to denie them to be in the best group category is plain STUPID.
My point exactly, Fuck tha haterism, look at tha Facts.
And plus I dont think Bone even knew anythin about 3-6 mafia's underground "death side" shit back in '90 when they started, Bizzy bone waz 13 years old man, u mean 2 tell me they waz listenin 2 3-6's underground shit and copied their style. I dont fuckin think so.
The only person soundin anythin like bone is twista and i dont think he waz anythin back in 1990 when bone started.
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My point exactly, Fuck tha haterism, look at tha Facts.
And plus I dont think Bone even knew anythin about 3-6 mafia's underground "death side" shit back in '90 when they started, Bizzy bone waz 13 years old man, u mean 2 tell me they waz listenin 2 3-6's underground shit and copied their style. I dont fuckin think so.
The only person soundin anythin like bone is twista and i dont think he waz anythin back in 1990 when bone started.
whatever we can't help it your biast and ignorant
actually how do you know that bizzy didn't lsiten to them? or how do you know that the other members weren't listening to them ....you don't, i'm not saying bone copied and pasted their style but if you'd take the time and download or buy some of three six mafia's older stuff and hell some of their middle stuff the resemblence is almost IDENTICLE, or hey maybe it's all a cooincidence....but either way bone weren't the first to do what they did
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OK, let's let some bone expert like hellrazor answer deeez questions cause im sick of sayin tha same shit over and over again.
Tha point is dat it waz a coincisence dat they had tha same kinda style back when dey came out at tha same time, but as u can see 3-6 has changed their style 2 fit in wit tha dirty south cause they won't gettin anywhere wit their old wayz.
Also their dark theme waz in support of Evil and Bone does tha exact opposate.
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OK, let's let some bone expert like hellrazor answer deeez questions cause im sick of sayin tha same shit over and over again.
Tha point is dat it waz a coincisence dat they had tha same kinda style back when dey came out at tha same time, but as u can see 3-6 has changed their style 2 fit in wit tha dirty south cause they won't gettin anywhere wit their old wayz.
Also their dark theme waz in support of Evil and Bone does tha exact opposate.
you OBVIOUSLY have never listened to a three 6 mafia record or know anything about them...three 6 mafia's didn't change their style to fit in, the style they used was the mold for future southern produced tracks....i can't believe all the shit your talking on and have never listened to
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Bone and 36 Mafia dont sound alike at all, at least I dont see it. Besides, it doesnt matter who copies who, cuz Bone KILLS them repetitious fools anyway. You buy one 3-6 Mafia album, and you've bought em' all. All their albums are about the same thing. Bone reinvents themselves and come up with new concepts each time around. Whether its for better or worse is another story, but the fact of the matter is, they flip the script on all their albums, while 3-6 dwells in there redundancy. And Bone may not have been the first to rap fast, but they WERE the first to combine gangsta rap with harmony.
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i don't find three 6 mafia that redundent their new stuff is pase` but they have a GRIP of underground stuff you should check and the bone/3 6 thing is startling i think they have a compilation out of their underground hits i dunno but look it up and you'll see what alot of people are talking about
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Hey, have any of yall heard of a dude named Sandman?? If yall like Bone and midwest hip hop in general, you'll like Sandman. He is a midwest rapper, from Minneopolis, and he's hella underground, but he's dope. He's made two albums [King Of Hallucinations and No Secrets/No Lies]. The first album isnt available, but his second album, No Secrets/No Lies is available on Amazon.com, shit is hella dope. The kid is only like 20, but he's loaded with talent. He sounds like a combination of Krayzie and Flesh. If you listen to No Secrets/No Lies, it sounds like a combination of E.1999 Eternal and Family Scriptures. Its a very dark album, and he is clearly influenced by Bone. Its albums like this that testify E.1999 Eternals' impact, as NS/NL is clearly blueprinted from that album. However, Sandmand has his own way of doing things. Yall should check out the album, its hot.
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yah I got couple of songs from sand man, but I cant find his shit anywhere.
And jake u said 3-6 use 2 sound like bone in their underground shit. Well I said they mustve changed their style since they dont sound like bone anymore, I got their "the end" cd and tha "when tha smoke clears" and their pretty good, but there aint no way they influenced bone.
And there's hella people influenced partly by bone like sandman, teck9, 11-5(bay area) and artists in black and brown entertainment etc.
Ah tha greatest bone influenced artist in Mr. Shadow, Ive said this b4 and ill say it again, people go download "apocolypse", It's tha best unheard song ever IMP.
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And jake u said 3-6 use 2 sound like bone in their underground shit. Well I said they mustve changed their style since they dont sound like bone anymore, I got their "the end" cd and tha "when tha smoke clears" and their pretty good, but there aint no way they influenced bone.
i'm not talking about their comercial albums i'm talking about their underground ones
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you can find Sandmans album on Amazon.com
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i'm not talking about their comercial albums i'm talking about their underground ones
ummm, yes and I said they changed their style and wat they waz talkin about in most songs 2 go commercial.
Uh, and another thing, just when I thought no one can get more ignorant than Jake.......Big Bpg shows up and locks that Jake thread 4 no reason, and tha debate goes unfinished once again. This fool's been gone for 4 dayz and doesnt know wat tha fuck's goin on.
I think most of us agree dat I had a strong point makin dat Jake thread.
Once again these moderators abuse their power and stick together like bitches..............except Sikotic and crem. I appreciate them 4 not sayin nuttin dat doesnt relate 2 them.
Man, I wish Trauma waz here, can nobody replace him.
Ok, now go ahead and wipe your eyes and lock this one up too, I said wat I had 2 say.
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ummm, yes and I said they changed their style and wat they waz talkin about in most songs 2 go commercial.
Uh, and another thing, just when I thought no one can get more ignorant than Jake.......Big Bpg shows up and locks that Jake thread 4 no reason, and tha debate goes unfinished once again. This fool's been gone for 4 dayz and doesnt know wat tha fuck's goin on.
I think most of us agree dat I had a strong point makin dat Jake thread.
Once again these moderators abuse their power and stick together like bitches..............except Sikotic and crem. I appreciate them 4 not sayin nuttin dat doesnt relate 2 them.
Man, I wish Trauma waz here, can nobody replace him.
Ok, now go ahead and wipe your eyes and lock this one up too, I said wat I had 2 say.
whatever
the only thing you've prooved to me is that you have no life and circle your whole life around trying to diss me....after all i'm not the one getting all emotional becuase someone didn't put my favorite group in the all time top 10, if this whole board was anti-outkast i wouldn't put up a big fuss like you are doing...whatever if you wanna keep attempting to diss me go ahead, cuz your only prooving me right when i say you have no life and half of your posts are aimed at me
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ummmmmmmmmmm, NO ::)
Actually you're tha one who's been stressin about bone not being in tha top 20 groups of all time, and youve spent most of your posts in tha last 3 dayz dissin me and tryin 2 prove me wrong.
I mean I disagree wit u puttin ultramagnetic mcs and CL smooth & pete rock in tha top 20, but if you wouldve presented me wit all tha facts dat I presented 2 u about bone, then I wouldve steped aside and said....hey.....dat cool, u got a point here.
But I guess no one can disagree wit u even if it makes sense huh?
Well I guess now u have another label......A Hypocrite. :(
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ummmmmmmmmmm, NO ::)
Actually you're tha one who's been stressin about bone not being in tha top 20 groups of all time, and youve spent most of your posts in tha last 3 dayz dissin me and tryin 2 prove me wrong.
and you havn't....i think you deserve that name more than i do....and stop making fake names on AIM trying to harrass me too
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All I have to say about this is: go check out Sandman's album [No Secrets/No Lies].
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hmmm... we're getting too personal now... let's just all agree that the best group regardless of their commercial vs. underground status is Psycho Drama and move on!
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and you havn't....i think you deserve that name more than i do....and stop making fake names on AIM trying to harrass me too
Wat, what do u mean by makin names on AIM?