West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: ai002h on July 11, 2007, 12:31:48 PM
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OK...we all know Common got Cube good....Bitch in Yoo is probably a top 5 diss track. But Cube never got a chance to respond, Farakhan, along with Common, initiated the whole peace thing in Chicago and it was squashed real quick. Supposedly WSC had a lethal response in the works but it got scrapped. Now, if the beef was not squashed right away, would Cube or WSG have been able to give a worthy reply to "B!tch in Yoo"? I'm not asking if Cube would be able to top it, because thats unfair to ask like it'd be unfair to ask NWA, or anyone, to top No Vaseline.
To answer this question, for me, a good point of reference is "No Rest for the Wicked". Now while it isn't on the level of Bitch in Yoo but, imo, is a top 20 diss track. When that dropped I couldn't fathom Cube being able to respond, BReal went hard as hell at Cube. But then I heard King of the Hill and while Mack 10 was good, Cube was on some next level shit:
Everybody in the Ghetto know what ya doin
1 White boy and 2 Fukkin Cubans
Claimin that your loco but u aint Mexican
Listen to a note of No Vaseline before you Flex again
Ya say that I took ya hook
It must be the white boyy thinkin all *****s crooks
So I ask..could he or WSG give a worthy response to Bitch in Yoo or would he have only done more damage by trying to reply since no response would be comparable. IMO, I have faith that Cube, in 1996, would've come up with something, we cant see it now...but i would've been something good....but thats just me.
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yea Common went off on his cube's ass, but i think cube would of been able to come back with a worthy diss of his own...WC probably would of gone off as well assuming he'd be willing to participate)...Cube in 96 was probably the an artist at his best ever..shit any artist in there time, better than cube around '96??
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Yeah he could have come up with SOMETHING. I am not saying it would or would not have matched The Bitch In You but something should have been said. Common even came out to LA and performed that song in Cube's backyard and he did not get served for that. But Cube said shortly after that they had the peace conference with Farakhaan so that was why he did not respond.
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B-Real is a easier target also for Cube then Common after that diss he had towards Cube. That beef with Cypress was more personal but Cube should have repsonded to Common. I would delay a peace conference just to get a diss record in. ;D
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wtv fuck common his song sucked.
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Well Common was wrong when he said Cube hadn't made hot shit since AMW cause DC is better than Commons whole catalogue. But yer I have faith that Cube coulda come back hard. It would have been interesting because very rarely conscious rappers beef with gangster rappers.
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Listen to Westside Connection - Westside Slaughterhouse, they go hard at someone (I always thought it was Common?)
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Listen to Westside Connection - Westside Slaughterhouse, they go hard at someone (I always thought it was Common?)
it is for the most part i think..if not the whole song, some lines it it are..but it came before the bitch in yoo
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Listen to Westside Connection - Westside Slaughterhouse, they go hard at someone (I always thought it was Common?)
The Bitch In Yoo>Westside Slaughterhouse as far as diss records go.
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Listen to Westside Connection - Westside Slaughterhouse, they go hard at someone (I always thought it was Common?)
The Bitch In Yoo>Westside Slaughterhouse as far as diss recrds go.
agreed
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Listen to Westside Connection - Westside Slaughterhouse, they go hard at someone (I always thought it was Common?)
Cube never did more than a couple of lines here and there about Common. Mack's and WC's verses were dissing no one in particular. Common did not respond for the longest time so to come with The Bitch In Yoo, NOOOO ONE saw that coming.
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Listen to Westside Connection - Westside Slaughterhouse, they go hard at someone (I always thought it was Common?)
Cube never did more than a couple of lines here and there about Common. Mack's and WC's verses were dissing no one in particular. Common did not respond for the longest time so to come with The Bitch In Yoo, NOOOO ONE saw that coming.
Yeah...Bitch in You was almost 2 years after Westside Slaughterhouse, which was early '05. Cube's verses on Slaughterhouse are straight up classic but they aren't directed towards Common save a few lines. Same thing with Hoo Bangin on Bow Down.
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Bitch in Yoo owns Westside Slaughterhouse.
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Westside Slaughterhouse isn't a diss record so they really shouldn't be compared.
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Westside Slaughterhouse isn't a diss record so they really shouldn't be compared.
Agreed.
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You ain't made shit dope since AmeriKKKa's Most... Common
Death Certificate etc???....
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Ice Cube:
All you suckas want to dis the pacific
But you buster niggas never get specific
Used to love her mad cause we fucked
Her pussy whipped bitch with no common sense
Hip hop started in the west
Ice cube bailin' through the east without a vest
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Ice Cube:
All you suckas want to dis the pacific
But you buster niggas never get specific
Used to love her mad cause we fucked
Her pussy whipped bitch with no common sense
Hip hop started in the west
Ice cube bailin' through the east without a vest
always loved that line 8)
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Ice Cube:
All you suckas want to dis the pacific
But you buster niggas never get specific
Used to love her mad cause we fucked
Her pussy whipped bitch with no common sense
Hip hop started in the west
Ice cube bailin' through the east without a vest
always loved that line 8)
Hell yeah...Cube rips that track
When I say itchy citchy...Niggas get bitchy bitchy
cause they heard of tha..Natural born murdera
I'm like Frankenstein...its spankin time
Layin in the Sunshine..with only 1 nine
So who wants to bust with the never rust
goin platinum plus..everytime i cuss
So fuck the whole world black!!
Niggas better hope I dont grow my Jeri Curl back
Cube in '95 = 8)
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Ice Cube:
All you suckas want to dis the pacific
But you buster niggas never get specific
Used to love her mad cause we fucked
Her pussy whipped bitch with no common sense
Hip hop started in the west
Ice cube bailin' through the east without a vest
always loved that line 8)
Hell yeah...Cube rips that track
When I say itchy citchy...Niggas get bitchy bitchy
cause they heard of tha..Natural born murdera
I'm like Frankenstein...its spankin time
Layin in the Sunshine..with only 1 nine
So who wants to bust with the never rust
goin platinum plus..everytime i cuss
So fuck the whole world black!!
Niggas better hope I dont grow my Jeri Curl back
Cube in '95 = 8)
yea man
Cube PERIOD = 8)
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Ice Cube:
All you suckas want to dis the pacific
But you buster niggas never get specific
Used to love her mad cause we fucked
Her pussy whipped bitch with no common sense
Hip hop started in the west
Ice cube bailin' through the east without a vest
always loved that line 8)
Hell yeah...Cube rips that track
When I say itchy citchy...Niggas get bitchy bitchy
cause they heard of tha..Natural born murdera
I'm like Frankenstein...its spankin time
Layin in the Sunshine..with only 1 nine
So who wants to bust with the never rust
goin platinum plus..everytime i cuss
So fuck the whole world black!!
Niggas better hope I dont grow my Jeri Curl back
Cube in '95 = 8)
yea man
Cube PERIOD = 8)
Definetely
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on the real common's shit makes me sleepy
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Ice Cube]
It’s the don go let’em know
Unwettable, ahh.. big fish incredible
Hoo-Bangin’ on the white collars got a pile of dollars
Still rollin’ Impalas
I’m bombin’ on Common Sense
Chicago is mine nigga hit the fence
Intense kingpin nigga worldwide
And I bring sin when I wanna hoo-ride
Who died and who applied the pressure
Show me 3 niggas that’s fresher
Westside Connect Gang oh yeah we talkin’ shit
Nigga do you know who you fuckin’ wit?
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Ice Cube]
It’s the don go let’em know
Unwettable, ahh.. big fish incredible
Hoo-Bangin’ on the white collars got a pile of dollars
Still rollin’ Impalas
I’m bombin’ on Common Sense
Chicago is mine nigga hit the fence
Intense kingpin nigga worldwide
And I bring sin when I wanna hoo-ride
Who died and who applied the pressure
Show me 3 niggas that’s fresher
Westside Connect Gang oh yeah we talkin’ shit
Nigga do you know who you fuckin’ wit?
this don't sound familiar, what was this from?? :-\
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Ice Cube]
It’s the don go let’em know
Unwettable, ahh.. big fish incredible
Hoo-Bangin’ on the white collars got a pile of dollars
Still rollin’ Impalas
I’m bombin’ on Common Sense
Chicago is mine nigga hit the fence
Intense kingpin nigga worldwide
And I bring sin when I wanna hoo-ride
Who died and who applied the pressure
Show me 3 niggas that’s fresher
Westside Connect Gang oh yeah we talkin’ shit
Nigga do you know who you fuckin’ wit?
this don't sound familiar, what was this from?? :-\
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Hoo-bangin’ (WSCG style) from BOWN DOWN
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Ice Cube]
It’s the don go let’em know
Unwettable, ahh.. big fish incredible
Hoo-Bangin’ on the white collars got a pile of dollars
Still rollin’ Impalas
I’m bombin’ on Common Sense
Chicago is mine nigga hit the fence
Intense kingpin nigga worldwide
And I bring sin when I wanna hoo-ride
Who died and who applied the pressure
Show me 3 niggas that’s fresher
Westside Connect Gang oh yeah we talkin’ shit
Nigga do you know who you fuckin’ wit?
this jam is bumpin
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Damn...I was just listening to that track the other day...Let's face it..Common lit into Cube on this one and though I'm sure Cube could have come back with something, it would have been kind of difficult because Common was not as well known at the time...Kind of like how LL Cool J tried to come back on Canibus after 2nd Round Knockout...LL was still kind of dope at the time but he just did not know enough about Canibus to really come back hard..I cannot remember LL's response song but it fell short of Knockout...Common really came at Mack 10 on that song also....Damn, who knew he had it in him...I still can't believe he performed it in LA.
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Bottom line, Cube did not want to make the nobody famous...
some of you youngin's might not realise the star power that Cube had in the 90's.
he's a hip-hop legend now!!!, but back in the early 90's Cube was the WEST!! 1990-beforePac
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Personally I thought Common's diss directed towards Cube was wack. Those few Cube lines going at Common were much better & I don't even listen to either Cube or Common that much.
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I was at the show when Common spit his diss verse at Ice Cube in Santa Ana. That was around early '96 at the De La Soul concert. I went to see De La Soul and Common and Mos Def were there.
Most of the crowd were backpackers, you know, the homeless lumberjack looking kids, and these guys hated west coast rap, so they cheered. Myself and a couple of other cats weren't havin' it though.
Back then, I used to rap and I always got into it with the backpackers because they were on some bullshit.
I admit, it took some massive balls for Common to come out here and do what he did. You have to respect that.
As far as the diss is concerned, I don't know if Cube could have salvaged that one. The Bitch in Yoo, honestly, is a top 5 diss track in history. The only songs I'd put ahead of it are Dollars and Sense, The Bridge is Over and No Vaseline, in that order. Cube's peak was from 89-91. By '96, Cube was still good, but he was already on the decline. Common on the other hand, was at his peak lyrically. Cube got Cypress good, but B-Real is nowhere near Common lyrically.
I would have liked to hear Cube respond, but personally, I'm very doubtful that he could have topped that.
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Cube hasn't answered common because common not of his level
common wanted to become famous for the bill cube
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Damn...I was just listening to that track the other day...Let's face it..Common lit into Cube on this one and though I'm sure Cube could have come back with something, it would have been kind of difficult because Common was not as well known at the time...Kind of like how LL Cool J tried to come back on Canibus after 2nd Round Knockout...LL was still kind of dope at the time but he just did not know enough about Canibus to really come back hard..I cannot remember LL's response song but it fell short of Knockout...Common really came at Mack 10 on that song also....Damn, who knew he had it in him...I still can't believe he performed it in LA.
I don't know if I'd compare the 2 situations.
When Common and Cube had their beef, Common had already had 2 albums out and Resurrection is considered a classic by many. He already had plenty of respect and a solid fanbase. Canibus on the other hand, wasn't known outside of internet message boards while LL was already a legend, 10 albums deep. From a talent perspective, Common and Cube were even. Cube had way more notoriety, but they were evenly matched. Canibus was pretty much a nobody going after a legend. There was no way he was going to win that.
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I remember when WSCG were on "RAP CITY" a few months before BOW DOWN came out...it must have been summer 1996. When Joe Clair asked WSC about Common, Cube said something to the effect of "I'm-a get him, I got somethin' for him," so yeah, he (with or without the participation of Mack 10 and WC) must have been planning some response before the Peace Summit squashed the whole thing.
As for whether Cube could have come with a response: yeah, I think he could if he'd wanted to...but he would have had to make something more lyrical and flowing than "King Of The Hill" (directed at Cypress Hill) was. Don't get me wrong, I love "King Of The Hill," and the the "brutal" nature of the track/delivery were appropriate for who it was delivered at (B-Real), but as others have pointed out, Common had/has better skills than B-Real. So, any response Cube would have recorded would have needed to have been more "pointed" and "detailed" than "King Of The Hill" (not that those lyrics weren't pointed in their own way...it was worth just to hear Cube make fun of B-Real's high-pitched voice: "B-Real soundin' like he got baby nuts!" I still LMFAO when I hear that)!
Which I think Cube could have done...after all, Common made a major boo-boo in his "you ain't made shit dope since AmeriKKKa's Most..." (ever heard Death Certificate? The Predator? Even Lethal Injection was dope, if not entirely classic)! Not to mention the "get some beats besides George Clinton to rock over." He must not have listened to Cube's catalogue that thoroughly, as Cube used lots of artists to "rock over:" James Brown, Sly & The Family Stone, Das Efx, Steely Dan, Marvin Gaye, name your favorite. And then Common tried to make Cube out as a hypocrite because of the St. Ides'/NOI thing. Cube has admitted that he never technically joined the NOI, he just supported many of their ideas. So, Cube would have had lots of things to respond to, IMHO. Cube admitted in an interview right before the WAR disc came out that he won't respond to just any diss directed at him. He said that a lot of times, the artists who do that shit are only doing so to get attention for themselves.
But yeah, as we know, the beef was squashed at the NOI summit, so what might have transpired may never be known. PEACE!
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I was at the show when Common spit his diss verse at Ice Cube in Santa Ana. That was around early '96 at the De La Soul concert. I went to see De La Soul and Common and Mos Def were there.
Most of the crowd were backpackers, you know, the homeless lumberjack looking kids, and these guys hated west coast rap, so they cheered. Myself and a couple of other cats weren't havin' it though.
Back then, I used to rap and I always got into it with the backpackers because they were on some bullshit.
I admit, it took some massive balls for Common to come out here and do what he did. You have to respect that.
As far as the diss is concerned, I don't know if Cube could have salvaged that one. The Bitch in Yoo, honestly, is a top 5 diss track in history. The only songs I'd put ahead of it are Dollars and Sense, The Bridge is Over and No Vaseline, in that order. Cube's peak was from 89-91. By '96, Cube was still good, but he was already on the decline. Common on the other hand, was at his peak lyrically. Cube got Cypress good, but B-Real is nowhere near Common lyrically.
I would have liked to hear Cube respond, but personally, I'm very doubtful that he could have topped that.
Great insight into the concert man...I always wondered how he got away with that shit, it makes sense now.
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I remember when WSCG were on "RAP CITY" a few months before BOW DOWN came out...it must have been summer 1996. When Joe Clair asked WSC about Common, Cube said something to the effect of "I'm-a get him, I got somethin' for him," so yeah, he (with or without the participation of Mack 10 and WC) must have been planning some response before the Peace Summit squashed the whole thing.
As for whether Cube could have come with a response: yeah, I think he could if he'd wanted to...but he would have had to make something more lyrical and flowing than "King Of The Hill" (directed at Cypress Hill) was. Don't get me wrong, I love "King Of The Hill," and the the "brutal" nature of the track/delivery were appropriate for who it was delivered at (B-Real), but as others have pointed out, Common had/has better skills than B-Real. So, any response Cube would have recorded would have needed to have been more "pointed" and "detailed" than "King Of The Hill" (not that those lyrics weren't pointed in their own way...it was worth just to hear Cube make fun of B-Real's high-pitched voice: "B-Real soundin' like he got baby nuts!" I still LMFAO when I hear that)!
Which I think Cube could have done...after all, Common made a major boo-boo in his "you ain't made shit dope since AmeriKKKa's Most..." (ever heard Death Certificate? The Predator? Even Lethal Injection was dope, if not entirely classic)! Not to mention the "get some beats besides George Clinton to rock over." He must not have listened to Cube's catalogue that thoroughly, as Cube used lots of artists to "rock over:" James Brown, Sly & The Family Stone, Das Efx, Steely Dan, Marvin Gaye, name your favorite. And then Common tried to make Cube out as a hypocrite because of the St. Ides'/NOI thing. Cube has admitted that he never technically joined the NOI, he just supported many of their ideas. So, Cube would have had lots of things to respond to, IMHO. Cube admitted in an interview right before the WAR disc came out that he won't respond to just any diss directed at him. He said that a lot of times, the artists who do that shit are only doing so to get attention for themselves.
But yeah, as we know, the beef was squashed at the NOI summit, so what might have transpired may never be known. PEACE!
I agree...King of the Hill was a great diss track and extremely lyrical, but the lyrics were of the vulgar/insulting variety instead of the smart-witted lyrics of No Vaseline. He'd have to come up with a No Vaseline type diss but that would require research and time because he knew a bunch of detailed info on all the NWA members, things to call them out on...so it made it easier to come up with a diss exposing them. Common, on the other hand, he basically knew nothin about.