West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Tanjential on July 22, 2007, 12:23:55 PM
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In light of the last Going Off On Tanjints volume, I was thinking...who on the west coast can push that lyrical envelope, try new things, and be commercially succesful?
Circa October 2006 I made a post talking about how Lupe Fiasco(though not at all a favorite of mine) is a cool idea cause he's positive, talented, original and very succesful and how the West coast needs a Lupe Fiasco. People pointed out Murs to me; I checked his 9th Edition album and agreed.
I heard his new "Dreadlocks" song and while good, I thought it could be better. I just hope that Rick Rock can be to Murs what the Neptunes were to Lupe if that makes sense. I don't mind if his topics become typical or his beats become poppy, I just want him to RIP it the FUCK up, He handled on the 'dreads' song but I've heard him tear mics to pieces and I think he needs to do that just to show motherfuckers the West can.
Anyway, Dirty Left(Snoop's older brother) was telling me the other day that all Bishop does now is work out because Dr.Dre has emphasized to him how important it is to be marketable. This makes sense but it's somewhat disturbing as well. I am less worried about Bishop losing his edge than Murs I suppose because
a)we haven't heard Bishop's new album material yet
b)Dre and Bishop's agenda seems to be highly aimed at raising the bar for lyrical content on the West coast and I don't see how invisiline and a shitload of push-ups will change that.
anyway, what do you guys think these cats should do to effectively be the west coast Lupe Fiascos in the sense that they need to be
-succesful
-lyrically tight
etc?
For example, is this Dreadlocks song the right direction to go in? It's party-rap...but it's also positive. It's poppy, but the MC is clearly skilled. It's simple....but sometimes that's all the catchier. It's hyphy sounding (sounds just like 'tell me when to go' also prod. RR)...but hyphy is West coast so why not? Should be he doing something trippier that one Lupe song with the robot, something more politically conscious...should his opening single be dumber yet? etc. I'd like your guys' thoughts on this...cause to me...if Murs and Bishop don't make it big soon...the window of oppurtunity for someone dope to blow on the west might not come back around again for a cool ass minute.
Anyone else on the come up like that? Ya Boy dropped an album right? Where's his outside-of-Cali buzz? Clyde Carson? Jeezy's dude Roccet, he have a chance?
I just wanna say, my biggest hope is that Bishop AND Murs blow up (not to mention collaborate on a Dre beat. How sick would that be?) without losing their artistic integrity to these big companies.
but Where from here?
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Murs is hot to death, I'm surprised he didn't blow a long time ago.
I know he's got a deal with Warner Brothers (I believe) for his major label debut.
Murs is my current fav, underground, west coast artist, one of the few artist cd's I actually purchase (fat Beats on Melrose, to be exact)
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I agree man. I hope he blows and stays real.
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don't forget Crooked I Tanj...he already dropped a street single, has moved up to VP of treacherous records, and HAS confirmed that many big distribution deals are on the table for himself & his treacherous crew
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murs has been a favorite of mine since i first heard 'murs rules the world' about 6 years ago......and im sorry but while i agree that dreadloks is a party/club/goodtime song and its cool to make those songs, i dont feel it at all and its not what i want to hear from an artist as skilled as murs.....he is capable of so much more....the only plus is that heads who arent up on him because they are only into catchy type of songs like that, might now look into his back catolouge based of this one song and in the process expose themselves to some really incredible music...........but still, to go from 'walk like a man' to 'dreadloks'?.......thats a big drop imo.......and again,i understand what he's trying to do, i just dont feel it......i do wish him the best and hope he goes gold, he desrves it...........oh, and bishop is dope too....i think his odds of blowing up are quite good actually......but in this day and age who knows? what heads like nowadays amazes me......im too old
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don't forget Crooked I Tanj...he already dropped a street single, has moved up to VP of treacherous records, and HAS confirmed that many big distribution deals are on the table for himself & his treacherous crew
I love crooked and am planning on putting a grip of his HHW volumes on a disc and that will be my crooked album since noone will hook me up with YB vol.2. until i see a crooked fucking I album on the shelves, those will be my crooked albums. I just don't believe him anymore.
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murs has been a favorite of mine since i first heard 'murs rules the world' about 6 years ago......and im sorry but while i agree that dreadloks is a party/club/goodtime song and its cool to make those songs, i dont feel it at all and its not what i want to hear from an artist as skilled as murs.....he is capable of so much more....the only plus is that heads who arent up on him because they are only into catchy type of songs like that, might now look into his back catolouge based of this one song and in the process expose themselves to some really incredible music...........but still, to go from 'walk like a man' to 'dreadloks'?.......thats a big drop imo.......and again,i understand what he's trying to do, i just dont feel it......i do wish him the best and hope he goes gold, he desrves it...........oh, and bishop is dope too....i think his odds of blowing up are quite good actually......but in this day and age who knows? what heads like nowadays amazes me......im too old
it's not like a classic/favorite imo or anything but it's aight. i hope he goes plat, if he goes gold then it's already over for him in the mainstream.
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yea i have liked murs for awhile and saw he had a new song but was pretty disappointed. it does sound just like tell me when to go also :(
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don't forget Crooked I Tanj...he already dropped a street single, has moved up to VP of treacherous records, and HAS confirmed that many big distribution deals are on the table for himself & his treacherous crew
I love crooked and am planning on putting a grip of his HHW volumes on a disc and that will be my crooked album since noone will hook me up with YB vol.2. until i see a crooked fucking I album on the shelves, those will be my crooked albums. I just don't believe him anymore.
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YB2:
http://rapidshare.com/files/6996573/CI-YB.rar
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Snoop has an older Brother called "Dirty Left"
Like Family..not Brother as in Close friend??
Back to topic!!
Murs Track "Dreadlock"..I'll be honest i didn't give that track a chance!!
As soon as i heard the beat, i automatically turned it off.
it was a southern kinda beat, which I'm not into It!
Rick Ross did a good job as far as i can recall of the beat, and i felt that it wouldn't suit Murs
Speaking On Murs, I've only heard two tracks from him, he sounds real chill and cool!
He is bringing in another wave of Westcoast flavor perhaps from a more lyrical point of view!
So on that Note, i might actually decided to give that aforementioned track another spin!!
As for Bishop??
I don't know...We could speculate all day, till pigs start to Fly!
We don't actually know what path he will take!
This 'marktable path" dirty Left (lol) was referring to might not be the commecialize-selling out route we all fear and dread any upcoming and promising talent should take.
It may be something totally different, I would hope that he can still keep the raw energy and lyrical swagger that got him Dre's attention but redefine or sharpen it in some way..Perhaps I'm going off on another r tangent..I don't Know..
Kinda hurts like a kick in the teeth, that Bishop is still without an Album..so there's nothing we could really judge him by.
Mixtapes are good, but not a real mirror or reflection of the artist!
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Good thread. I want to elaborate on this.
I very much believe that if Murs doesnt go big with his new record, our window of opportunity is gradually going to close. As you all know Murs is now signed to Warner Bros Records. One of the few west coast artist that actually has a major (Mistah Fab & Atlantic, Glasses & CashMoneyHooBangin, O.Cruz & Geffen/BYI, Bishop/Aftermath, and a few others im missing off the top of my head).. However, the main difference between Murs and these other artists, is that his fanbase is extensive, and not to mention LOYAL. Murs headlined a sold out 5,000 person show for Paid Dues 2007 (sold out the shrine auditorium in 2006 which was like 6,000 people), performed at Coachella 2006, he did a free show at El Rey Theater last year, which reached capacity, and had about 2000 people waiting outside to get in, hes doing Rock The Bells/Paid Dues tour this summer hitting up like 20 different cities (sharin the bill with aritsts like RATM, PE, Roots, mos def, UGK, Rakim, etc), and hes been doing this tourin shit for years on end. Like if Glasses or Bishop or Crooked I or O Cruz ever wanted to throw a show in LA, you best believe its going to be pretty empty. I'm not knocking their skills or whatever, but its the truth. Thats why you almost never hear of them performing gigs anywhere, they just aren't really in demand. and if they do get gigs its usually at some small ass club out in like riverside or city of industry or something.
I think this is what is really going to differentiate Murs from the rest, the fact that he actually has a super solid fanbase before signing to a major. A lot of these artists are scoped out and discovered by A&R's and industry heads, or are basically put on by their big homie rapper. (like O Cruz utilizing mister cartoon and co to solidify his deal, and like Mike Lynn with Glasses' sony situation, The Game and Jay Rock). a lot of these guys basically got their deals off of their network and industry ties. Murs didnt need anyone to cosign him to get a major label deal, his FANS cosigned him. and THAT is what it boils down to.
Murs has consistently put out product, with his 10 or so album discography, and each of these albums have sold very well independently. He knows how to perform , as hes a member of the Living Legends, and if you ever seen a LL crew show, you know they can rock. He isnt just standin in one place, rappin. He's jumpin, runnin around and doin the whole nine. I dont know how many of yall are Murs fans on this board, but if you ever tried to get an autograph from him, he most likely stayed till the very end to sign everyones shit. I remember last year when he performed at Coachella (another thing none of these new west rappers are going to do), Murs stayed back to sign every single fan's autograph. He stayed back probably like an hour just signing cds, taking pictures with anyone that requested one. That is some REAL shit.
And I think Dreadlocks is going in the right direction. The trend ive noticed is that the people who have never heard Murs before, like the record.. but the long time fans, generally dont like it. You guys have to realize that Murs is basically releasing this song as a way to gget new fans and expand to a larger crowd. He couldn't really be releasing a real hip hop record as his first single on a major label. Getting signed to a major label means you gotta have a big single for the masses. However, in a month or two, Murs is going to drop some shit thats going to let his hardcore fans know that hes still the same MC Making Underground Raw Shit. 9th Wonder was also just in LA with Murs this past week cookin up some more classics, so you know its on.. especially with LB out the picture, Murs is getting THE best beats from 9th.
MURS FOR PRESIDENT!
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props for giving MURS his due, he is really a talented rapper and one of the futures of the west coast rap scene
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One of my fav. Murs tracks, by 9th Wonder;
The Pain
http://www.zshare.net/audio/280933918aefd7/
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I've been down with Murs for a long time now, not a big fan of his new song, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Yo Justin, do you know when "Murs For President" is dropping?
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As far as Murs goes, this was one thing I was a bit scared off....because I know that he has a very strong, loyal fanbase...but that many fanbases for artists such as him will get mad as hell when the artist does something that's completely different from what they usually do, and they get accused (or correctly labeled) of being sellouts.
So far....I have heard a very wide range of reactions from it, which I expected for this type of track. I played it twice at a party I DJ'd at last night, and some Bay cats were on it HAAAARD. One of them was like "ey, play that Federation song again" and I was like oh, that was Murs, and he was like "who? He from L.A. for real? That shit slap!" At the same time, my homeboy who's a fan of Murs said he doesn't like any single thing about the song, and that Murs is too good to be doing a song like this...and he doesn't even think it's good for a club or hyphy single.
Personally, all bias aside, I think it's a solid track, and I don't think there's a problem with it at all. When his brother was playing me some tracks that might possibly be on the album, many of them did have a commercially acceptable vibe, but this track here is the only one that could really be seen as a "trendy" track, or one that might turn some fans off. However...just as with this track, the other tracks had beats and hooks from established artists and "super" producers...but he was still spittin some knowledge on there. On Dreadlocks, he's not just talkin about scrapin, poppin pills, shakin his dreads to get some females, ghostridin the whip, or anything else. He is still being lyrical on there.
Funny thing is....Murs has actually done a GRIP of songs that could be seen in the same way as "Dreadlocks" if they were on different beats. With this one, I guarantee that if he rapped about Dreadlocks over a 9th or Ant beat, NOBODY would have a problem with it. He had a whole song dedicated to gettin head on "Murs rules the world" that his fans loved....but you take those lyrics and put it on a Lil Jon or Neptunes track, and those same fans call him a sellout.
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^ For me the beat is the problem, now I'm not calling him a sell out, but like I said before, the last thing I wanna hear when I put on a Murs cd is a hyphy beat.
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can someone hook me up with a zshare link to dreadlocks? i only heard it once and haven't been able to find it.
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please do not post link in this thread. sorry, i know i had it posted on dubcnn for a little bit, but i had to withdraw it. please do not post link in this thread or forum please. PM if you need to.
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please do not post link in this thread. sorry, i know i had it posted on dubcnn for a little bit, but i had to withdraw it. please do not post link in this thread or forum please. PM if you need to.
I was wondering what happened to the song, looked on the front page and I couldn't find it.
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I've been down with Murs for a long time now, not a big fan of his new song, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Yo Justin, do you know when "Murs For President" is dropping?
4th quarter sometime, i dont think theres a solid release date yet. the albums pretty much done for the most part, maybe tidying up a few songs and adding/removing a couple tracks.
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As far as Murs goes, this was one thing I was a bit scared off....because I know that he has a very strong, loyal fanbase...but that many fanbases for artists such as him will get mad as hell when the artist does something that's completely different from what they usually do, and they get accused (or correctly labeled) of being sellouts.
So far....I have heard a very wide range of reactions from it, which I expected for this type of track. I played it twice at a party I DJ'd at last night, and some Bay cats were on it HAAAARD. One of them was like "ey, play that Federation song again" and I was like oh, that was Murs, and he was like "who? He from L.A. for real? That shit slap!" At the same time, my homeboy who's a fan of Murs said he doesn't like any single thing about the song, and that Murs is too good to be doing a song like this...and he doesn't even think it's good for a club or hyphy single.
Personally, all bias aside, I think it's a solid track, and I don't think there's a problem with it at all. When his brother was playing me some tracks that might possibly be on the album, many of them did have a commercially acceptable vibe, but this track here is the only one that could really be seen as a "trendy" track, or one that might turn some fans off. However...just as with this track, the other tracks had beats and hooks from established artists and "super" producers...but he was still spittin some knowledge on there. On Dreadlocks, he's not just talkin about scrapin, poppin pills, shakin his dreads to get some females, ghostridin the whip, or anything else. He is still being lyrical on there.
Funny thing is....Murs has actually done a GRIP of songs that could be seen in the same way as "Dreadlocks" if they were on different beats. With this one, I guarantee that if he rapped about Dreadlocks over a 9th or Ant beat, NOBODY would have a problem with it. He had a whole song dedicated to gettin head on "Murs rules the world" that his fans loved....but you take those lyrics and put it on a Lil Jon or Neptunes track, and those same fans call him a sellout.
yo do u know where i can hear or get a mp3 of that song about head I heard it once years ago and loved it, tho murs rules the world outta print, so if u cld let me know id appreciate that
oh and i love this dreadlocks track beat is dope as fuck aswell as the topic
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Murs was just on the sway and tech wake up show last week. im going to update with some audio tomorrow. Murs can still freestyle his ass off.
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Yeah Murs is heavily underrated, his "LA" song is my favorite. 8)
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Snoop has an older Brother called "Dirty Left"
Like Family..not Brother as in Close friend??
Recall Warren G's "Regulate...G-Funk Era" 's single "This DJ", the line "I played ball through the halls of C-I-S/with Snoop Dogg's big brother call him "Dirty Left" also on Dogg Pound 2002, an old snoop verse says "We got a fat sack of blueberry/it's scary/my brother Jerry/He told me one day/ he said Snoop when ya reach the top won't you please blaze a J/ for me"
same guy. Snoop's actually biological older brother Jerry/Dirty Left. cool cat.
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Great thread Tanj. We have alot of great talent out here on the west but like others have said it is difficult to figure out what labels want and will push from a artist. You don't want to see a artist compromise the craft just to have a deal or get radio and video plays. I have not heard Dreadlocks but it seems to be the consensus of the forum it is something left field from Murs. As for Bishop it depends on the push from Interscope/Aftermath.
The material is there, just depends on how much of Bishop as a artist is changed or wanting to be changed by the record labels to feel like it will "fit they mold". Glasses is cool and he is in the same boat. Hopefully Cash Money will not do his album like Bang Or Ball and he will still have that West Coast sound with a sprinkle of CMR influence or other outside producers that still allow Glasses to be himself.
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I wouldn't even count Glasses as being on a major.
if mack 10 can't do shit for numbers OWNIN' the motherfucker, what chance in hell does glasses have? I'll tell you what chance he has, he better hope dre produces a big single for him and Bishop together for Bishop's shit so Glasses can ride the wave.
furthermore, threads like this make me sad that classic albums like murs:3:16:the 9th edition didn't blow up in the first place. that was such a great fucking record.
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I wouldn't even count Glasses as being on a major.
if mack 10 can't do shit for numbers OWNIN' the motherfucker, what chance in hell does glasses have? I'll tell you what chance he has, he better hope dre produces a big single for him and Bishop together for Bishop's shit so Glasses can ride the wave.
furthermore, threads like this make me sad that classic albums like murs:3:16:the 9th edition didn't blow up in the first place. that was such a great fucking record.
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That was why I said the formula of for example Snoop over No Limit beats or Mack 10 over Mannie Fresh beats for a whole album does not work. Labels have to learn to cater to a artist's strengths and if CMR will not do that for Mack 10 and Glasses they doing a disservice to both. You gotta have it in moderation and allow west to be west not south or whatever else. I think Mykestro spoke on something in the interview with Nima that made alot of sense. How is a artist on the west do well if they do not even have the backing of they home town or state. Glasses gets mad hood love, but that does not translate to radio spins or label backing. The shit is on some politics right now.
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...Hopefully Cash Money will not do his album like Bang Or Ball and he will still have that West Coast sound with a sprinkle of CMR influence or other outside producers that still allow Glasses to be himself.
Man, you hit the nail on the fucking head with that one.
Like you said earlier, one or 2 CMR heavy tracks would be cool, proilly to feat. Wayne on em.
But if they dare do a whole CMR south record with these 2,west dudes, it's just not gonna work at all.
Never has, and never will, and I hope Cash Money learns from Bang Or Balls mistakes
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well, fuck hood backing. you need the organization you are doing your thing with behind you. Only dude that has that on the new frontier is Bishop. He has all the same backing, if not more, that Game did. s'why I'm saying Glasses perhaps can ride the wave if he retains close affiliation with Bishop as he apparently has. I know it's not how things are supposed to happen, but it's how they do happen.
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well, fuck hood backing. you need the organization you are doing your thing with behind you. Only dude that has that on the new frontier is Bishop. He has all the same backing, if not more, that Game did. s'why I'm saying Glasses perhaps can ride the wave if he retains close affiliation with Bishop as he apparently has. I know it's not how things are supposed to happen, but it's how they do happen.
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I agree with the hood backing. Yeah AZ did it with Nas and Ghostface although crew, did the same with Raekwon. Bishop and Glasses track produced by Dre. Follow that up after the success with a Glasses Malone album and that would help out alot. I agree with that.
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new Murs audio from the wake up show, now on the dubcnn.com front page.
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new Murs audio from the wake up show, not on the dubcnn.com front page.
where?
anyway, I think Ghostface woulda blown up anyway. wu tang just decided amongst each other who would blow and when. poor fucks that went last like Inspektah deck, got alot of mediocre production.
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well, fuck hood backing. you need the organization you are doing your thing with behind you. Only dude that has that on the new frontier is Bishop. He has all the same backing, if not more, that Game did. s'why I'm saying Glasses perhaps can ride the wave if he retains close affiliation with Bishop as he apparently has. I know it's not how things are supposed to happen, but it's how they do happen.
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And Cash Money was pretty much home grown talent, meaning they released just the homies around the N.O. They did sign Mack 10 and Teena Marie but it seemed like they came and went. Mack 10 like I said earlier had too much Mannie Fresh on there for me. Teena Marie's albums were dope as fuck because they did not change her style. Now I am not trying to hear Lil Wayne or Baby all over Glasses album. 1 or 2 tracks max. CMR got they work cut out for them to give Glasses a good promotional base.
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poor long beach cali kid. i wonder if he feels out of place out there.
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new Murs audio from the wake up show, not on the dubcnn.com front page.
where?
anyway, I think Ghostface woulda blown up anyway. wu tang just decided amongst each other who would blow and when. poor fucks that went last like Inspektah deck, got alot of mediocre production.
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sorry it is NOW on the front page. not NOT.
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new Murs audio from the wake up show, not on the dubcnn.com front page.
where?
anyway, I think Ghostface woulda blown up anyway. wu tang just decided amongst each other who would blow and when. poor fucks that went last like Inspektah deck, got alot of mediocre production.
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Yeah but it made it that much easier when it was Ghostface turn to have a solo album, people recognized him from Rae's album already. So Raekwon fans know what they getting from him and other people that caught on to Raekwon's album at the time. Same with Glasses. Like you said, do a hot single with Bishop Lamont, Dr. Dre or someone else does the beat, and see where the single takes you. If it blows up, drop a Glasses album ASAP right after that.
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poor long beach cali kid. i wonder if he feels out of place out there.
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long beach? dude is from watts you broke ass bum quit hatin already 8)
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poor long beach cali kid. i wonder if he feels out of place out there.
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long beach? dude is from watts you broke ass bum quit hatin already 8)
oh shit, i forgot some obscure rappers hometown i may be a dumb ass. I thought you hated the west coast? How am I hating saying he may feel out of place in the south?
anyway, I was confused because of his crip affiliation. I always associate that with LBC in my mind.
anyway, what do you do all day? Look through my posts waiting for me to slip? I'm at work, what's your excuse? Hater, purebred, plain and simple. I could see you nuttin' in your pants "Oh shit this fool tanjint fucked up, I'm a correct him and look totally cool." You're right dogg, you're coolest dude on the internet. Congratulations.
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so you're at work right now uh i didn't know janitors use computers at work ahahhaha
you fucking bum go smoke some more crack and quit acting like a fucking intellectual on the net 8)
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yeah a west coast gangster rap forum, the premier place to prove one's intellectuality...Please get off my nuts. You've done nothing but look for and diss my posts since your first post here. It's sad that your whole existence on this forum is defined by all the ways I bug you.
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yet my karma is higher than yours ahahah that might tell you something
keep trying to impress all the teenagers round here with your ducktales bum keep doing your thang 8)
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yet my karma is higher than yours ahahah that might tell you something
keep trying to impress all the teenagers round here with your ducktales bum keep doing your thang 8)
I also have exponentially more posts than you. ratios idiot
it's hilarious to me that you take such issue with me posting little essays about my thoughts on west coast music, why do you care? just don't enter the post, moron. What would you rather I do? Post little one sentence comments "ahaha wigga bum! 8)" all the time? You come across like a fucking 6th grader with all your little AIM instant messenger mannerisms. You can miss me with that shit, you ball-latchin' e-thug.
yeah, and your karma would be higher than mine if you sat here all day dissing me while I go about my life. pathetic ass. please leave and join allhiphop or sohh or some other forum where people don't know shit about west coast music.
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yet my karma is higher than yours ahahah that might tell you something
keep trying to impress all the teenagers round here with your ducktales bum keep doing your thang 8)
I also have exponentially more posts than you. ratios idiot
it's hilarious to me that you take such issue with me posting little essays about my thoughts on west coast music, why do you care? just don't enter the post, moron. What would you rather I do? Post little one sentence comments "ahaha wigga bum! 8)" all the time? You come across like a fucking 6th grader with all your little AIM instant messenger mannerisms. You can miss me with that shit, you ball-latchin' e-thug.
yeah, and your karma would be higher than mine if you sat here all day dissing me while I go about my life. pathetic ass. please leave and join allhiphop or sohh or some other forum where people don't know shit about west coast music.
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I'm Probably Gon get Dissed on this, but heck it..Looks Like Tanjit OWNED Iliveinthefuture on that one!
8) 8)
Blu!
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yet my karma is higher than yours ahahah that might tell you something
keep trying to impress all the teenagers round here with your ducktales bum keep doing your thang 8)
I also have exponentially more posts than you. ratios idiot
it's hilarious to me that you take such issue with me posting little essays about my thoughts on west coast music, why do you care? just don't enter the post, moron. What would you rather I do? Post little one sentence comments "ahaha wigga bum! 8)" all the time? You come across like a fucking 6th grader with all your little AIM instant messenger mannerisms. You can miss me with that shit, you ball-latchin' e-thug.
yeah, and your karma would be higher than mine if you sat here all day dissing me while I go about my life. pathetic ass. please leave and join allhiphop or sohh or some other forum where people don't know shit about west coast music.
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I'm Probably Gon get Dissed on this, but heck it..Looks Like Tanjit OWNED Iliveinthefuture on that one!
8) 8)
Blu!
+1 man you speak the truth, Iliveinthefuture has gotten on me in the past about me being a DPG fan and he really ain't bringing nothing to the table as far as good discussion is concerned
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kill this shit, and keep the discussion going.
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+1 higheyecue, +1 we fly high, +1 blu
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Well back to more important shit. Tanj is on to something with that Glasses/Bishop scenario. The last 2 mcs I remember both dropping tracks together like that was Xzibit and Snoop Dogg.
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My thought is kinda this, we haven't seen a fat raspy rapper blow up off themselves since before MTV got up int he asscrack of every celebrity you know?
In other words, when Big Pun and B.I.G. were blowing up....it was more about how dope your single and your flow was...now it's how high the ratings were on your appearance on 'cribs' and who you're dating etc.....much more reliant on sex selling than ever, more image driven than ever...I hate to say it, but a fat cat has not blown up in music since the advent of video OVER radio outside of ruben studdard.
and there's alot of talented big people, i wish i could see another way for a cat like Glasses to blow you know?
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My thought is kinda this, we haven't seen a fat raspy rapper blow up off themselves since before MTV got up int he asscrack of every celebrity you know?
In other words, when Big Pun and B.I.G. were blowing up....it was more about how dope your single and your flow was...now it's how high the ratings were on your appearance on 'cribs' and who you're dating etc.....much more reliant on sex selling than ever, more image driven than ever...I hate to say it, but a fat cat has not blown up in music since the advent of video OVER radio outside of ruben studdard.
and there's alot of talented big people, i wish i could see another way for a cat like Glasses to blow you know?
-T
Real Spit T. I don't even know anymore what listeners or record labels want anymore. All I know is he needs a single with HEAVY radio and video play and the album itself will have to have some shelf life on the charts to do numbers. As for the quality of the record we will have to wait and see.
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+1 d nice
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Unless your name is Snoop, Cube, Game, WillIAm, or E-40, you are going to have a tough name making a name for yourself. And as unfair that is for new artists coming up, I don't know how you go about changing that.
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well, I've thought about it alot.what was about it game that made him so marketable above other rappers dre could sign?
He doesn't just spit about gangster shit, he raps about the rap game. that's his thing. it's not a bad shtick. hate to say it, but you gotta find a shtick.
snoop's shtick is that crazy smooth voice, he had ultimate mic charisma.
listen to eminem, his style is mad recognizable. voice, charisma, shtick. You have to stand out, period. and so many of these west coast cats got it twisted occupying their time trying to prove to the rest of the west coast that they're so hood and gangsta that it's not at all relatable to the rest of the country.
Bishop had the right idea, but you can tell that he's more lyrical than say voice-wise charismatic and him and dre are working on that.
you gotta stand out, and alot of these west coast cats are on that SAME gangster shit.
-T
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well, I've thought about it alot.what was about it game that made him so marketable above other rappers Dre could sign?
He doesn't just spit about gangster shit, he raps about the rap game. that's his thing. it's not a bad shtick. hate to say it, but you gotta find a shtick.
Snoopy's shtick is that crazy smooth voice, he had ultimate Mic charisma.
listen to eminem, his style is mad recognizable. voice, charisma, shtick. You have to stand out, period. and so many of these west coast cats got it twisted occupying their time trying to prove to the rest of the west coast that they're so hood and gangsta that it's not at all relatable to the rest of the country.
Bishop had the right idea, but you can tell that he's more lyrical than say voice-wise charismatic and him and Dre are working on that.
you gotta stand out, and alot of these west coast cats are on that SAME gangster shit.
-T
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On Point-To Say More, would be flooding this Board with alot Information!!
Well Put T!!
Though i will add, Snoop has a lot of charisma and Charm!
Plus he has lyrics to back him up,regardless of what critics and Naysayers will say!!
Hopefully soon enuff all these Other New WC Cats will develop a style that's truly theirs!
I'm hoping that day will be sooner rather than later, we got a lot of talent!!!
Blu!
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i agree snoop has lyrics when he tries/when he wants to.
and that's a given that snoop has his own charisma, but he's not a new artist feel? we need new cats to have that kind of captivating personality.
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For Sure!!
Ma bad i was not referring to Snoop as a new Artist, but was using him as a reference.
You Know, A Rapper that Has Lyrics and a lot of Charisma, it's crazy!!
So these new Cats just have to find somethin about themselves that they can expand upon!!
By the way Why Is G,Malone called "Glasses Malone'
Does he wear glassess??..Just felt like askin...
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well, I've thought about it alot.what was about it game that made him so marketable above other rappers dre could sign?
He doesn't just spit about gangster shit, he raps about the rap game. that's his thing. it's not a bad shtick. hate to say it, but you gotta find a shtick.
snoop's shtick is that crazy smooth voice, he had ultimate mic charisma.
listen to eminem, his style is mad recognizable. voice, charisma, shtick. You have to stand out, period. and so many of these west coast cats got it twisted occupying their time trying to prove to the rest of the west coast that they're so hood and gangsta that it's not at all relatable to the rest of the country.
Bishop had the right idea, but you can tell that he's more lyrical than say voice-wise charismatic and him and dre are working on that.
you gotta stand out, and alot of these west coast cats are on that SAME gangster shit.
-T
True.
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also thought this was a cool discussion
now that it's some months later.
where is it looking like bishop is going?
where is it looking like murs is going?
is M4P still droppin' 4th quarter?
anyone else that's positive and original with a chance at blowing up?
after getting all into felt, I'm more determined than ever to buy Murs record and get other people to as well when it comes out.
-T
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Bishop is about to drop Caltroit with Black Milk tommorow.
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Murs has been pushed back to early '08.
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Bishop is about to drop Caltroit with Black Milk tommorow.
on the internet with dj shouts?
-T
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Bishop released like 4 bangin tracks in the last 2 months (2 from The Reformation) plus his project with Black Milk, 'Caltroit' should be dropping tommorow so hes looking pretty good.
And I Think 'Murs 4 President' is set for 2008 and he has a compilation album in the works also if i remember right.
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Bishop is about to drop Caltroit with Black Milk tommorow.
on the internet with dj shouts?
-T
Yeah but it's gonna be avaliable without DJ's in special retail outlets.
It's basically an album with original production.
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it's being physically released too? i can cop it at stores?
-T