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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on July 22, 2007, 06:31:50 PM
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That was damn good for a scrimmage. The White team was winning the whole game until late in the 4th when you know who came out and won it for the Blue Team ;D Actually the White team had one more chance but they decided to let a well known choke artist take the shot for some reason.
Anywhom, if you missed it, NBA-TV is replaying it at 7pm (10pm Eeastern)
Here's the boxscore...
http://www.nba.com/usabasketball/boxscore.jsp
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Shit I forgot that was on.
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Yeah how convenient :P
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My Nigga! 8) 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/v/19eJdbOat8c
Actually the White team had one more chance but they decided to let a well known choke artist take the shot for some reason.
lol @ LeBUM James
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I seen it. That was some exciting stuff.
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He's the only reason Team USA won't chock in 08 as they did in 02, 04, 06
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he is the reason why we will get gold!!!!!!!!
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You always had the best players, that was never the reason why you lost. But at least you got Redd now, like I said years ago, you really need him. Kobe is a great shooter as well, so he's also a very important addition.
But you shouldn't think Kobe is a one-way-ticket to the gold medal. Cause that arrogance always got you bronze lately.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/19eJdbOat8c
Can you find that sick left handed reverse lay-up Chris Bosh did on Stoudemire?
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:grumpy:@anyone who dares compare LeBron to Kobe.
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Man I can't wait to see these games in Vegas.
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Man I can't wait to see these games in Vegas.
You got tix?
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Man I can't wait to see these games in Vegas.
You got tix?
I saw them online a couple of days ago but now they are not up. I know some people so hopefully I can score some tickets.
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Man I can't wait to see these games in Vegas.
You got tix?
I saw them online a couple of days ago but now they are not up. I know some people so hopefully I can score some tickets.
how much were they going?
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Man I can't wait to see these games in Vegas.
You got tix?
I saw them online a couple of days ago but now they are not up. I know some people so hopefully I can score some tickets.
how much were they going?
For a pass for the entire tournament it was around 350 bucks.
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I have never been to a NBA game. It's sad. LOL. LA is close and Phoenix but the tickets are always sold out or too high. So having Team USA out here is a once in a lifetime opportunity until we get a pro team.
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Why didn't you show Kobe going for the dunk and getting swatted like a bitch by Lebron?
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Why didn't you show Kobe going for the dunk and getting swatted like a bitch by Lebron?
Because LeBron sucks and he lost the game.
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I have never been to a NBA game. It's sad. LOL. LA is close and Phoenix but the tickets are always sold out or too high. So having Team USA out here is a once in a lifetime opportunity until we get a pro team.
You should definitely go, man.
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I have never been to a NBA game. It's sad. LOL. LA is close and Phoenix but the tickets are always sold out or too high. So having Team USA out here is a once in a lifetime opportunity until we get a pro team.
You should definitely go, man.
Yeah I am going to try. This team looks like it is going to do some damage.
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Why didn't you show Kobe going for the dunk and getting swatted like a bitch by Lebron?
Because LeBron sucks and he lost the game.
:-X
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Why didn't you show Kobe going for the dunk and getting swatted like a bitch by Lebron?
dont' worry i got you
http://www.youtube.com/v/Naz8R30cWnc
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Damn Kobe hit the ground hard, too. LMAO!!!!!
CLEVELAND!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why didn't you show Kobe going for the dunk and getting swatted like a bitch by Lebron?
dont' worry i got you
http://www.youtube.com/v/Naz8R30cWnc
LMAO@Jake
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Damn Kobe hit the ground hard, too. LMAO!!!!!
CLEVELAND!!!!!!!!!!!
He learned that from Kobe...One thing he hasn't learned form Kobe yet- how to hit the game winner.
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He learned that from Kobe...One thing he hasn't learned form Kobe yet- how to hit the game winner.
Kobe can't even get out of the first round.
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He learned that from Kobe...One thing he hasn't learned form Kobe yet- how to hit the game winner.
Kobe can't even get out of the first round.
Really? I coulda' sworn he had THREE rings.
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He learned that from Kobe...One thing he hasn't learned form Kobe yet- how to hit the game winner.
Kobe can't even get out of the first round.
Really? I coulda' sworn he had THREE rings.
under shaq...
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Howard... Chandler
Stoudemire... Bosh, Durant
James... Anthony, Prince
Bryant... Redd, Miller
Kidd... Billups, Williams
Tight ass team, definitely the best you had in a while
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He learned that from Kobe...One thing he hasn't learned form Kobe yet- how to hit the game winner.
Kobe can't even get out of the first round.
Really? I coulda' sworn he had THREE rings.
under shaq...
Not really, not blatantly, at least. Under is like the difference between Wade and Shaq in the Heats championship season. Kobe and Shaq split duties about 50/50 in the threepeat era...PeACe
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if that was the case i don't think shaq would have unanimously won 3 finals mvps and a regular season mvp.
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I ain't gone hate, that was a sick block. LJ knew what Kobe was gonna do and beat him to it.
Howard... Chandler
Stoudemire... Bosh, Durant
James... Anthony, Prince
Bryant... Redd, Miller
Kidd... Billups, Williams
Tight ass team, definitely the best you had in a while
I can't wait to see the final team, that shiet is gonna be fuckin loaded! You know your team is good when you can bring Wade, Melo, and Durant off the bench.
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i just hope we can gel as a team, the talent is obviously there. we just need to function as a unit.
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if that was the case i don't think shaq would have unanimously won 3 finals mvps and a regular season mvp.
Of course Kobe deferred so that a spotlight hungry Shaq could be the main option...But Kobe put in just as much work, if not more.
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i just hope we can gel as a team, the talent is obviously there. we just need to function as a unit.
Now that were playing under a true leader, we will. LOL@anyone questiong Kobe's leadership ability when he's leading the best players in the world. And mark my words, he's gunna lead them straight to gold.
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i wanted tickets so bad but i was told they were sold out.I always see the preseason games out here in Vegas when the Lakers come and im glad i got to see the championship teams in person.I would have loved to go see team USA but it may be kind of hard now.
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Howard... Chandler
Stoudemire... Bosh, Durant
James... Anthony, Prince
Bryant... Redd, Miller
Kidd... Billups, Williams
Tight ass team, definitely the best you had in a while
the roster has to be cut to 12 players for the upcoming tournament.... Miller and another player will be cut ... no way Durant play the PF position
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Tayshaun Prince and Deron Williams will be cut IMO.
C Amare Stoudemire...Tyson Chandler
PF Chris Bosh...Dwight Howard
SF Carmelo Anthony...LeBron James/Kevin Durant
SG Kobe Bryant...Michael Redd/Mike Miller
PG Jason Kidd...Chauncey Billups
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^^^^ Miller can shoot whereas Prince brings some D ... anyways this tournament won't be a pb ... the real deal will be in 08 .. this team will be better offensive wise , now they have to focus on team D .. great on the guard positions but regarding the other 3 it's still so-so
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Prince might make it over Durant...It's probably hard as fuck to make these cuts.
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Tayshaun Prince and Deron Williams will be cut IMO.
C Amare Stoudemire...Tyson Chandler
PF Chris Bosh...Dwight Howard
SF Carmelo Anthony...LeBron James/Kevin Durant
SG Kobe Bryant...Michael Redd/Mike Miller
PG Jason Kidd...Chauncey Billups
God damn that is a sqaud right there.
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Prince might make it over Durant...It's probably hard as fuck to make these cuts.
thing is Durant, as talented as he is, won't be ready to play in the Olympics so pickin Prince is more obvious to start to build a team chemistry ...
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i think as long as kidd is running the point and we have balanced scoring and lots of pressure defense.
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Howard... Chandler
Stoudemire... Bosh, Durant
James... Anthony, Prince
Bryant... Redd, Miller
Kidd... Billups, Williams
Tight ass team, definitely the best you had in a while
the roster has to be cut to 12 players for the upcoming tournament.... Miller and another player will be cut ... no way Durant play the PF position
I wouldn't cut Miller, garcon. You need good jumpshooters in FIBA games. Miller is one of the best 3pt-shooters on the squad. I simply don't know who else to cut out of those 14 players, they are all worth a spot in their own way.
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Tayshaun Prince and Deron Williams will be cut IMO.
C Amare Stoudemire...Tyson Chandler
PF Chris Bosh...Dwight Howard
SF Carmelo Anthony...LeBron James/Kevin Durant
SG Kobe Bryant...Michael Redd/Mike Miller
PG Jason Kidd...Chauncey Billups
God damn that is a sqaud right there.
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Let em load...
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Howard... Chandler
Stoudemire... Bosh, Durant
James... Anthony, Prince
Bryant... Redd, Miller
Kidd... Billups, Williams
Tight ass team, definitely the best you had in a while
the roster has to be cut to 12 players for the upcoming tournament.... Miller and another player will be cut ... no way Durant play the PF position
I wouldn't cut Miller, garcon. You need good jumpshooters in FIBA games. Miller is one of the best 3pt-shooters on the squad. I simply don't know who else to cut out of those 14 players, they are all worth a spot in their own way.
to a certain extent I agree, they already have Redd and yep keeping Miller would be good too but you have to cut someone...
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now i dont really watch/follow basketball and there is no denying Bryant's skill at the game, but NIK you take idolising to a whole new level...
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USA Basketball Scrimmage Analysis: Kidd Runs The Show; Kobe v LeBron; Can Durant Make It?
After the absolute bodyblow to NBA fans that was the Donaghy bombshell on Friday, it sure was a welcome treat to get back to the game itself on Sunday with essentially a midsummer mini-All-Star Game (played with greater defensive intensity than the midseason game) in the USA Basketball intrasquad scrimmage.
As an overview, there were 17 players who participated in the team's minicamp over the past few days, competing for 12 roster spots on the Team USA squad which will compete in the Olympic qualifying tournament for the Americas from Aug. 22-Sept. 2.
These 17 players were split into two teams -- Blue and White -- who competed on Sunday, with Blue fighting back from a 99-89 deficit late to win 105-104 on a jumper by Kobe Bryant.
• Box score
All in all, it was a really fun game - here are our observations:
- Jason Kidd's numbers (2 pts., 6 reb., 7 asts., 1 TO) hardly stand out in the box score, but he was clearly one of the standout players of the night, as the catalyst for the White team. He ran the show and pushed the pace beautifully.
Kidd worked especially well with LeBron in the open floor - the two combined for some spectacular fast breaks (once again prompting me to ask myself what the Cavs can be possibly be thinking in building a team that plays at such a slow pace when they have the best fast-break finisher in the league).
- Kobe vs. LeBron battles were an interesting subplot of the night. LeBron blocked a Kobe reverse dunk attempt in the third quarter, but then Kobe took the game by the throat down the stretch:
• Kobe hit a step-back three over LeBron to tie it at 101
• LeBron made a poor TO in the halfcourt
• Kobe hit a fadeaway J over LeBron's contest to make it 103-102
• A LeBron-Bosh PnR went nowhere - it was well-defended, but it seemed odd that Kidd wasn't the decision-maker on the play
• After a Durant floater missed, Kidd took it all the way (his only shot of the night) to put White back on top 104-103
• Then Kobe knocked down a jumper over Prince after a pump fake (it was a 1-4 iso play on top) that proved to be the game-winner with 6.6 left
• White ran a similar 1-4 iso with LeBron on top, defended by Kobe. Bron got into the lane, but Kobe defended him well (there was a little contact) and LeBron's shot wasn't close.
- There were a couple of times I began to wonder if Kobe's brand of one-on-one play was the wrong fit for such a star-studded national team, but each time I had the thought, Kobe convinced me. In the first half, he knocked down a couple of long threes and other baskets to keep Blue afloat after White had built up a good lead.
And then he absolutely took the game over down the stretch as described above. I am convinced; he will fit. Kobe ended up with 26 pts and 6 stl on an efficient shooting night of 10-22 FG and 4-9 3PT. He looked very slim, too, as he's apparently dropped 15-20 pounds since the end of the season.
- Kevin Durant looked GREAT. Forget about those summer league numbers, tonight Durant went up against some of the best players in the world, and more than anything, he looked like he belonged. His numbers were 22 pts., 5 reb. 4 stl. on 9-14 FG and 2-5 3PT in 24 mins., but that doesn't even tell the whole story as he was getting his points every which way - threes, follows, a gorgeous spinning move over Battier - just like he did at Texas. Also had a nice strip of Michael Redd in the open floor. I had assumed that Durant would clearly be one of the cuts, but now I'm not so sure - he really looked like he deserved a spot based on tonight's performance (more on that below).
- One problem from last year's team that reared its head again was that these guys were taking WAY too many 3's (White went 11-40, Blue went 8-27). What's worse was that so many of the 3's were just pull-ups or 1-on-1 shots, rather than drive-and-dish kick-outs which are much higher-percentage shots. Team USA is just playing into the opposition's hands when they jack up those quick threes. International teams cannot keep these guys out of the lane - they should be penetrating at will, and kicking out to open shooters if they can't get to the rim. Tonight's percentages were so low not b/c they don't have shooters who can make these chip-shot 20-ft threes, but b/c they were taking such poor-percentage shots from downtown.
- It was great to see both White and Blue get out and run. Team USA has two huge advantages in international competition - athleticism and depth of talent - so they should be running and pressing and trapping all night. The 2006 team started off playing this way in its exhibitions, but didn't sustain it during the World Championships. Hopefully this team will - I'd love to see them throw some traps and presses on other teams as well. They clearly have the personnel for that style.
- One other thing... Steve Jones made the call tonight on NBA TV, along with Joel Meyers - with so many of ESPN's TV analysts offering little more than inane jibber-jabber, how is it that Snapper doesn't have a national job? He's still the consummate pro - concise and articulate in making sound points, and great at understanding how to work with his play-by-play man - just a solid hoop analyst in every way. The only problem I had was when Snapper called Kobe "the best player on the planet" at the end of the game. I'm sorry, but that would be Tim Duncan.
- OK, let's talk about cuts a little bit:
POINT GUARDS
Kidd
D. Williams
Billups
Hinrich
- Kidd is the no-brainer starter, esp. with the way he looked tonight. D-Williams looked very good, too, with 6 pts/13 ast (though 5 TOs).
- Billups also had 9 ast in 18 mins. You'd have to think that Hinrich is the odd man out here. I might rather have him as an alternative to Billups as a 3rd PG b/c Hinrich is more of a stopper, but I think Chauncey is the man in the end.
BIG MEN
D. Howard
Bosh
Amare
T. Chandler
- Quite a night for D-12, as he went for 21 and 9 on 9-9 FG and 3-3 FT. Bosh looked great with several gorgeous moves en route to a 13-12 night, while Amare complemented that with a 12-13 game.
- All three of those guys should be locks - I'd think the main question here is whether Tyson Chandler will make the team. Even though Chandler looked brutal on offense at times, put me in the camp of those who think Tyson deserves a spot because of his presence on D and the boards - and b/c I think that carrying three big men would leave Team USA perilously thin. I thought that Chandler (5 pts., 13 reb.) really played nice team D tonight - he was consistently showing well on PnR D.
- Nick Collison and Greg Oden will be joining the team for its training camp on Aug. 14, but I don't think either of those players will deserve a spot over Chandler.
SWINGMEN
Kobe
LeBron
Carmelo
Durant
Redd
M. Miller
Battier
Prince
Redick
- So, if we think Hinrich is the only guy from the 8 players in the first two pools who deserves to be cut, then that means 4 of these guys need to go. Redick is a no-brainer cut, so that gets it down to 3 cuts needed. Kobe/LeBron/Carmelo (who had an efficient 28 pts on 24 shots) are locks, so that leaves us with the other 5 guys for two spots.
- STOPPER: Prince or Battier? Tay played 26 mins to Battier's 17 tonight, and Chris Sheridan also suggested on ESPN.com that Battier might be an odd man out. But I still wouldn't be surprised if Shane makes the club, not just b/c he's pretty much Coach K's all-time favorite player, but also b/c he really did play exceptionally well in last year's Worlds as a glue guy taking charges and getting loose balls all over the place. I would take Battier over Prince.
- SHOOTER: Redd, Miller, or Durant? Miller had a somewhat ridiculous 22 pts tonight, as he attempted 15(!) threes (making 5), with many of those attempts being the product of horrendous shot selection. Redd was not much better, as he scored 17 pts on 4-11 3PTers, including two bad airball misses.
I dunno, I think that "lack of shooters" has been overrated as a reason for why Team USA hasn't won a major international competition since 2000. It hasn't been borne out by my observations of the many international games I've watched, or by the statistics overall. I think Team USA has plenty of guys who can hit the 20 ft. three if they get good shots, and I don't think they need a designated shooter on the roster.
Frankly, I'd take Durant over Redd and Miller b/c I think he is a better player right now, I think he brings a wider variety of skills to the table, and oh by the way, he can hit the 20-ft three as well. That said, I think they'll go with the veteran Redd.
Stick with The Painted Area as we'll be covering Olympic qualifying throughout the summer.
posted by M. Haubs @ 12:44 AM 10 comments
10 Comments:
At 8:12 AM, Darb said...
thanks for that - nice to see Bosh making a step forward on this team. I would love to see Durant make the squad. Are you going to break down Canada's team for us up north? I am kidding.
At 2:34 PM, Anonymous said...
Very thorough analysis. Thanks!
At 5:27 PM, Humility Is Good For Ya said...
Never mind the recent shock that USA brand of basketball is not quite the most dominant, the BEST talents are the boys on that team. Always had been...
It may be more effective to put together a team of tolerant and cooperative players (in the end, that has been beating USA nats), refocus on skilled and hungry defender who are accompanied by a savvy O.
I've always contended that since the advent of Dream Team, none that came later ever meshed. Not because DT had no huge egos, but due to every legend's parallel ability to respect one another's enormous piece...
Furthermore, Kobe ain't never gonna be a man (at least he has always been a punk), if not, then proof me wrong. And Billups ain't that clutch...
I'd take 3 pgs (Kidd, D. Williams and Hinrich), all 4 of the bigs, and cut the less athletic, defense-challenged perimeter players along with Mr. I-can-and-will-take-80%-of-my-team's-FGs. (Honestly, how much better of a player on the floor is Kobe than Lebron, Melo and whomever else you want to name?) That, ah, oddly enough leave a group of hard-nose defenders who also happen to have savvy bball IQ... and a hybrid soon-to-be monster. Curious, if not completely dominant in all aspect of the international game.
Since the US DOES have the best scorers, their poor shooting (despite decent %) of the last decade just outright embarrass Charles Barkley's swollen face. Call it mildly retarded shot selection, or whatever. Bottomline, the US just needs fewer perimeter ballhogs and take naturally-higher percentage shots. In so doing, forcing the US into difficult shots or long bombs would be tougher.
If the trio of Battier, Prince and Durant can equal 2 Pippens, then THAT team along with the most athletic big men on earth, 2 ambiguously brown PGs and 2 continents of top-flight bball shoes will simply... Well you get the idea.
Seriously, pound the ball into the cluster of towers and run fastbreaks with 4-or-5 tool wingmen who can defend would get the faith and excitement back in the Dream Team... Oh, I forget, somewhere sometime, that name had been conveniently tucked away like a gimp.
At 9:14 PM, Anonymous said...
Kobe is a better shooter than Melo and Lebron, he is also a better defender. And 22 shots attempted is nowhere near 80% of his teams FG attempts... You obviously just have something against him and have clouded judgement because he may be a selfish player, but there is nothing in basketball offensively that he can't do.
At 11:46 PM, Anonymous said...
breakdown team canaada. is devoe joseph on the team? what about denham brown
At 11:52 PM, Humility Is Good For Ya said...
Yes, Kobe Bryant IS a punk, and deserves the perpetual disappointment of knowing that he can't ever do it as the man of his team.
He would have been much more respected had he some humanity outside of his own universe, and we all know he's a ballhog beyond reason, whatever the numbers say...
You really want that crybaby representing your country? I suppose the rest of the world is fine with it.
At 12:27 AM, Anonymous said...
I drove out from San Diego to see the game and agree with almost everything in this excellent analysis. My main extra observation, though, is that The Painted Area didn't give nearly enough props to Kobe for his defensive intensity. I thought Kobe overhandled the ball and still seemed to think he had Smush to pass to instead of fellow all-stars, but on defense he was way better than any other perimeter player. He had fourth-quarter posessions in which he hounded Jason Kidd and threw him off, then switched and hounded LBJ and threw him off. I'm a Shaq guy, not a Kobe guy, but Sunday he showed that -- like MJ -- he is a complete player. That doesn't hold at all for LeBron, Carmelo, Iverson, Yao, McGrady, Arenas, Redd and a lot of other supposed "superstars."
At 6:48 AM, Chris said...
let's not discuss cutting kobe any longer - he's excellent. i think the team shored up some of it's biggest deficiencies with the additions of kidd/billups/williams at the pg. the only thing this team lacks is greg oden 4 years from now. shame on you TD and KG
At 6:58 AM, Anonymous said...
humility-
you know who else was "selfish" and a "ballhog" during the beginning of his prime?
jordan.
you are a terrible writer
At 7:26 AM, Anonymous said...
I would keep both Miller and Redd as they are excellent shooters. Some people will say that all of the SGs are good shooters. My answer is no. With the way that international team will play the US by packing in the paint, you will need shooters. Shooters means shooting the long ball (although the 3pt line is different) at approx 40%. The others will be happy to shoot 33% on 3s. Kobe, a good shooter is 34% career. Lebron is worse. I don't think that you need 3 PGs with so many capable SGs. Billips and Hinrich can go. I think that you lose Prince, Reddick and Durant. I personally do not like Carmelo either for the international game and he is not a good defender to boot but like the blog said, he is a lock.
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now i dont really watch/follow basketball and there is no denying Bryant's skill at the game, but NIK you take idolising to a whole new level...
You opened your sentence with a perfect explanation...Now if only everyone else can be as admitting as you.
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If it's Kobe vs LeBron then what does that say about LeBron's game? That's right. Nigga got game.
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If it's Kobe vs LeBron then what does that say about LeBron's game? That's right. Nigga got game.
Point is, there shouldn't even be comparisons...It's always Kobe vs. someone. Kobe vs. Vince. Kobe vs. T-Mac. Kobe vs. Wade. Kobe vs. Lebron...Fact of the matter is, NONE of them are even close.
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If it's Kobe vs LeBron then what does that say about LeBron's game? That's right. Nigga got game.
Point is, there shouldn't even be comparisons...It's always Kobe vs. someone. Kobe vs. Vince. Kobe vs. T-Mac. Kobe vs. Wade. Kobe vs. Lebron...Fact of the matter is, NONE of them are even close.
And Kobe has already written Vince & T-Mac of that list. Wade & Lebron are next. He's comin for you Jordan!
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^yup, niggas great, writing two injury-addicted cousins off tha list
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^^T-Mac had a better season than Wade in '07... :-X
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now i dont really watch/follow basketball and there is no denying Bryant's skill at the game, but NIK you take idolising to a whole new level...
You opened your sentence with a perfect explanation...Now if only everyone else can be as admitting as you.
i dont think you got what i meant...
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now i dont really watch/follow basketball and there is no denying Bryant's skill at the game, but NIK you take idolising to a whole new level...
You opened your sentence with a perfect explanation...Now if only everyone else can be as admitting as you.
i dont think you got what i meant...
Yea, I got it...The only thing is that I wasn't "idolizing" anyone.
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now i dont really watch/follow basketball and there is no denying Bryant's skill at the game, but NIK you take idolising to a whole new level...
You opened your sentence with a perfect explanation...Now if only everyone else can be as admitting as you.
i dont think you got what i meant...
Yea, I got it...The only thing is that I wasn't "idolizing" anyone.
whuh?
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LMAO