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NBA Market Watch: KG to Boston (http://draftexpress.com/blogs.php?blogid=8)
by: Eric Weiss
July 30, 2007
Multiple sources close to the situation told DraftExpress Sunday that the Boston Celtics and Minnesota Timberwolves have come to terms on a trade exchanging Kevin Garnett for a package including Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, and Theo Ratliff. The exact details of the trade aren’t known at this point, but it is believed that the deal will be completed shortly with similar parameters.
This deal has been rumored for most of the summer, but according to sources with direct knowledge of the situation, the main hold up had been the negotiation of a contract extension for Garnett. According to this source, Garnett’s camp is asking for a 5 year extension worth 125 million dollars. Whether or not the two parties have altered the initial proposal or agreed to it is not known, but apparently some accord has been reached. Garnett has an opt-clause in his contract for next season that he has essentially been using as leverage to get traded and secure his financial future with the team that acquires his services.
It had been widely assumed that the initial deal between the clubs had fallen through when Garnett’s agent publicized that his client was not interested in going to Boston. But circumstances seem to have progressed since that stage, to the point where one prominent player on the Celtics responded to inquiry by stating the team was “winning the Eastern Conference” next season, after having learned of Garnett’s imminent arrival.
This move signifies a major power shift in the Eastern Conference. Garnett joins veterans Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to form arguably the best trio in the NBA. The team now has three potential Hall of Fame players in their prime to contend in a conference that is wide open. Each player is over 30 years of age, but should remain effective for the life of their deals.
Executive Director of Basketball Operations chief Danny Ainge has mortgaged a sizable portion of the team’s long-term future to secure a title contending team however. Jefferson was recently selected by USA Basketball as one of the rising stars in the league and is only 22 years of age. The team will have to rely on their faith in the All Star veterans’ abilities to maintain a high level of performance deep into their 30’s. If KG, Pierce, and Allen can duplicate the career longevity of Karl Malone, Scottie Pippen, and Reggie Miller for example, the Celtics will have a larger window to work with.
Ainge has been highly scrutinized for his apparent lack of organizational direction these past few years, but his patience looks to have paid off. His commitment to acquiring young assets and parlaying them into more established stars has come to fruition. The team is scheduled to hold training camp overseas this season, so the timing was flawless for a move that is sure to re-invigorate the sizable international fan base. The team is sure to enjoy a sizable increase in national media attention as well. The team didn’t have a single network game scheduled last season. That should change this year.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S OFFICIAL!
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Loving that trade, hope it happens.
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come to oakland. >:(
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DAMN...I think the Celtics giving up their core might have been a little too much, but this makes them instant contenders in the east. And the Wolves got a nice deal, but I still think the Odom+Bynum+Crittenton package woulda been better off for them...This is how both teams will look:
Minnesota Timberwolves:
PG Randy Foye...Troy Hudson/Sebastian Telfair
SG Gerald Green...Rashad McCants/Marko Jaric
SF Ricky Davis...Corey Brewer/Trenton Hassell
PF Al Jefferson...Juwan Howard/Craig Smith
C Mark Blount...Theo Ratliff/Mark Madsen
Not bad...definitely a team for the future.
Boston Cetlics:
PG Rajon Rondo...Gabe Pruitt
SG Ray Allen...Tony Allen
SF Paul Pierce...Ryan Gomes/Brandon Wallace
PF Kevin Garnett...Leon Powe/Glen Davis
C Kendrick Perkins...Brian Scalabrine/Michael Olowokandi
Instant contenders in the east...Still can use some minor help in the point guard and center depatments though...PeACe
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aww this is bullshit.
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Well , McHale helps his old team and has some nice prospects in return .. both team won from this trade .. the Celtics easily become contenders for the upcoming 2; 3 years in the East .. I like this trade from Boston perspective.. fuck "potential"
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^^^It's not about potential, Al Jefferson is already a beast, and Gerald Green is a very nice young shooting guard prospect...Other than Pierce, Allen, and KG, look how empty Bostons roster looks now in comparison to Minnesotas...
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According to this source, Garnett’s camp is asking for a 5 year extension worth 125 million dollars.
:laugh:
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^^Not bad...In that case, at least Boston will know Garnett wont opt out after 1 year...
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I think the Celts should have held on to Jefferson. He's legit. But yeah this makes them instant contenders in the East.
And Gerald Green is a freak, but he should have went to college. But he has superstar potential.
But I'm glad KG got out of Minny and somewhere in the East. If Ray Allen stays healthy they will be tough.
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Boston's bench sucks bigtime, and they ARE really weak @ the PG spot. Looks like PP, Ray Allen and KG will be scoring 99% of the points on this team, wich is expected I guess. Outside of those 3 guys, Boston looks REAL weak tho. I wonder if they woulda been better off sticking with Al Jefferson and still being able to play Gerald Green and Theo Ratliff. I think the lineup looks abit better with Green and Ratliff coming off the bench.
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^^Not bad...In that case, at least Boston will know Garnett wont opt out after 1 year...
25 million a year?! Come on. Kobe didn't even get that much a year when he resigned with the Lakes. And he was in his 20's and still getting better. KG is 31 and past his prime (though he still has some good years ahead of him).
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^^Not bad...In that case, at least Boston will know Garnett wont opt out after 1 year...
25 million a year?! Come on. Kobe didn't even get that much a year when he resigned with the Lakes. And he was in his 20's and still getting better. KG is 31 and past his prime (though he still has some good years ahead of him).
Garnett has 5 all-star years in him left...Shaq, when he was older than KG and WAY MORE out of shape, held the Lakers hostage for a $30 mill/per year contract... and you know what came after that. Also, considering what Rashard Lewis is getting, do you really think it's that bad for KG?
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eh
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"Ainge... to McHale"
It's a done deal.
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Different sources saying different shit. ???
One involved source said the final package will have the Celts sending Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a No. 1 pick to Minnesota to acquire Garnett (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/celtics/?p=117)
but two of the sources cautioned that any trade may not be as imminent as some early reports indicated.
As the trade currently stands, the Celtics would send Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff, and two first-round picks to the Timberwolves for Garnett.
Al Jefferson is not included in the deal at the moment. (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2007/07/new_twists_in_g.html)
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Holy shit if they keep Al Jefferson. :o
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It's a good deal for Minnesota...they got a lot of depth now
that's the problem with boston..the lack of depth ain't a good look, but ofcourse the big 3 should make up for that
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If they keep Al Jefferson they're the team to beat in the NBA.
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nah man, they should trade jefferson, anything else would make me mad again
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Wow I really didn't think this would happen anymore and it did. Even without Jefferson we could still be the team to beat in the atlantic division if we get a couple of more decent backup guards and we really need a reliable center besides Kendrick Perkins.
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damn Boston with KG,ALlen and Pierce thats just fucking insane.
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Hate to see KG go. It's a pretty nice deal if they include Jefferson. Both teams have potential.
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wow Boston vs Dever 2008/2009 NBA Finals
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I still think the Raps have what it takes to keep the division title. The chemistry is already there plus they have a wayyy better bench and are much better at the PG position.
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I still think the Raps have what it takes to keep the division title. The chemistry is already there plus they have a wayyy better bench and are much better at the PG position.
yea i think we still got what it takes 2 keep that title as well ;D
Should be an interesting year, I think every team in the atlantic has improved
raps: y'all know the story here
knicks: who gonna stop randolph & curry? plus jamal crawford is a killer
celtics: im not buying in2 the hype personally yet, but kg, pierce, allen should keep them contending at least
76ers: iggy is the shit, there a young team, and had a lot of last year 2 mature
nets: agian, y'all know what it is...kristic back healthy as well
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I will always be a Pacers fan first, and for that reason I hate to see Boston become a contender. But as a sports fan in general, and a HUGE KG fan, I'm glad to see the Celts with a chance to return to a good franchise. Its about time they get out of the toilet. Forget thier fluke run in the early 2k, they have just been dismal.
Oh, and Plant, please never take that Brook Burke pic off your sig. Jesus Christ.
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damn Boston with KG,ALlen and Pierce thats just fucking insane.
And Ray Allen, man.
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No way Jefferson is not included in the trade ... I know McHale is happy to help his old team but to that extent ? don't think so
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Worst trade ever if AJ is not included.
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damn Boston with KG,ALlen and Pierce thats just fucking insane.
And Ray Allen, man.
He said that...LOL.
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damn Boston with KG,ALlen and Pierce thats just fucking insane.
And Ray Allen, man.
He said that...LOL.
Yeah, my bad. Somehow i read Al Jefferson instead of Allen. :-[
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Ryan Gomes and two first round picks were included in the deal!...Celtics gave up too much. :-X
Garnett deal finalized (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/celtics/?p=119)
Posted by Mark Murphy at 1:01 pm
A league source just confirmed that the Celtics and Timberwolves have finalized a deal that will bring Kevin Garnett to Boston in exchange for Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and two first round draft picks.
Garnett is expected to arrive in Boston this afternoon for a physical.
Garnett has agreed to a three-year extension with the Celtics beyond the two remaining on his contract, guaranteeing that he will be a Celtic for the next five years.
One reason for prolonged negotiations was the Celtics’ attempt to lessen the luxury tax hit this team will take next year, with Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen scheduled to earn a combined $54.4 million - the highest of any three-player combo in the NBA.
This will involve finding a way to lessen the impact of a 15 percent trade kicker in Garnett’s contract.
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That's honestly a good offer i'd have accepted too, if i was McHale. Al Jefferson is a beast, Green is a skilled young talent, Gomes is a good player, Telfair is a pretty good PG (i don't really like him, but he's decent) and Ratliff is a great shot blocker) who can intimidate inside. I like this trade.
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Boston Cetlics:
PG Rajon Rondo...Gabe Pruitt
SG Ray Allen...Tony Allen
SF Paul Pierce...Leon Powe/Brandon Wallace
PF Kevin Garnett...Glen Davis
C Kendrick Perkins...Brian Scalabrine/Michael Olowokandi
No depth at all!
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^^^^ yeah Huge Risk imo coz the BIG 3 will have to play a lot of minutes so there are important injuries risks but if they stay healthy , it's gonna be enough in that weak Conf... at least Boston fans have sth to cheer about and anticipate the upcoming season ... unlike us
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I'd still take our roster over Boston's...
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boston still has time to fill in those gaps though.
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McHale can't complain, he got picks and a shitload of young talent. Boston is going to be an interesting team, they must sign a decent PG fast though. Maybe Boykins or Bell or something. Can't wait for Bill Simmons' 2 cents.
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McHale can't complain, he got picks and a shitload of young talent. Boston is going to be an interesting team, they must sign a decent PG fast though. Maybe Boykins or Bell or something. Can't wait for Bill Simmons' 2 cents.
if you get to it before me, post it up.
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I'd still take our roster over Boston's...
Of course you would.
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I wonder how long it'll take for the 3 of them to mesh right?
NIK, you're right the depth is kinda shoddy.
If KG or Allen go down, chemistry could take a dive.
One good thing about this, is now the Bulls vs Celtics matchup shuold be interesting this season
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I'd still take our roster over Boston's...
LMAO, Your to much man, jesus christ!
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I'd still take our roster over Boston's...
LMAO, Your to much man, jesus christ!
LOL...says the guy who calls Barry Bonds "God" and "Jesus Christ"...
Cetlics:
PG Rajon Rondo...Gabe Pruitt
SG Ray Allen...Tony Allen
SF Paul Pierce...Leon Powe/Brandon Wallace
PF Kevin Garnett...Glen Davis
C Kendrick Perkins...Brian Scalabrine
Lakers:
PG Derek Fisher..Jordan Farmar/Javaris Crittenton
SG Kobe Bryant...Maurice Evans/Sasha Vujacic
SF Luke Walton...Vladimir Radmanovic/Coby Karl
PF Lamar Odom...Ronny Turiaf/Brian Cook
C Andrew Bynum...Kwame Brown/Chris Mihm
Compare depth...Boston's CURRENT roster is hella sketchy outside the big three..
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Am I the only one to think this trade is questionable? Boston gave up a whole fuckin lot to land KG...As a fan of KG i wanted KG to go to a legitimate contender and Boston is not. Yes i know they have the "big" three now but ill wait to jump on the bandwagon. I agree with NIK outside of KG,Allen,Peirce the roster is suspect. I guess we have to wait and see....
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McHale can't complain, he got picks and a shitload of young talent. Boston is going to be an interesting team, they must sign a decent PG fast though. Maybe Boykins or Bell or something. Can't wait for Bill Simmons' 2 cents.
if you get to it before me, post it up.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070730
In short, he loves that trade. He hated the trade for Allen when it happened but now that deal made a lot of sense, too.
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If Pierce and Allen stay healthy (Garnett is a monster...almost never gets hurt)...this will be the team to beat.
Two players go from Number1 guys on their team to do ALL the work....each now have TWO guys to rely on.
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Am I the only one to think this trade is questionable? Boston gave up a whole fuckin lot to land KG...As a fan of KG i wanted KG to go to a legitimate contender and Boston is not. Yes i know they have the "big" three now but ill wait to jump on the bandwagon. I agree with NIK outside of KG,Allen,Peirce the roster is suspect. I guess we have to wait and see....
Exactly...This could ruin Boston in the long run, in a few years, when it's time for all of them to retire (which is going to happen when Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, and Ryan Gomes enter their prime).
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PG Randy Foye...Marko Jaric/Sebastian Telfair
SG Gerald Green...Rashad McCants/Trenton Hassell
SF Ricky Davis...Corey Brewer/Ryan Gomes
PF Al Jefferson...Juwan Howard/Craig Smith
C Mark Blount...Theo Ratliff/Mark Madsen
This team has more of a future than the Celtics IMO.
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^fuck a "future"... this will never come even close to what the celtics are right now
why gamble for a potential future when you can have a contender right now? that's pro-bynum-mentality.
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Boston seems more concerned with now, they would much rather win a title now or in the next two years or so. I'm sure they know KG and Allen don't have that many years in them, which is why they are focused on now. And for now, they seem real strong. They'll sign a couple more players to round out the roster. I'm sure the free agents out there know that the Celtics are a force to be reckoned with and want to be on the team.
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If Boston doesn't win now, they've fucked themselves with a 30 inch dildo...I'd take Al Jefferson, Corey Brewer, Randy Foye, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Rashad McCants, Sebastian Telfair, and Craig Smith over KG, Pierce, and Allen.
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If Boston doesn't win now, they've fucked themselves with a 30 inch dildo...I'd take Al Jefferson, Corey Brewer, Randy Foye, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Rashad McCants, Sebastian Telfair, and Craig Smith over KG, Pierce, and Allen.
If we're talking long run, you're right. But Al Jefferson, Brewer, Foye, Green, Gomes, McCants, Telfair and Smith are not winning you a championship. KG, Allen and PP have a MUCH better chance at winning now...
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They did the same exactly move Pat Riley did when he acquired Shaq.
He won a title tho, so he wasn't wrong.
Dunno about the Celtics. We will see.
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lol@thinking they had ever won a title if they held on to them young fucks
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Look at how pathetic the Heat look now...They've gone as low as digging in our trashcans. The Heat were lucky to win that one faulty title, and the fact that Shaq wasn't the main factor also doesn't help the comparisons to this trade. Lets say Boston has about 3-5 years to contend in the east. If they don't win a title in that span, and I don't see them doing it, Danny Ainge will be looked at in a completely different light...
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lol@thinking they had ever won a title if they held on to them young fucks
They could build and become contenders... Al Jefferson is a beast, he has what it takes. Honestly, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and a budding Al Jefferson coulda' been better off. Way less gaps to fill in, and a lot more depth...
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Look at how pathetic the Heat look now...They've gone as low as digging in our trashcans. The Heat were lucky to win that one faulty title, and the fact that Shaq wasn't the main factor also doesn't help the comparisons to this trade. Lets say Boston has about 3-5 years to contend in the east. If they don't win a title in that span, and I don't see them doing it, Danny Ainge will be looked at in a completely different light...
Without Shaq though, the Heat wouldn't have won... You can dispute it all you want, but its the truth. The chips all will fall into place for the Celts... People will want to be apart of this for sure. They will get at least another two or three key signings from free agency just based on this deal alone.
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Look at how pathetic the Heat look now...They've gone as low as digging in our trashcans. The Heat were lucky to win that one faulty title, and the fact that Shaq wasn't the main factor also doesn't help the comparisons to this trade. Lets say Boston has about 3-5 years to contend in the east. If they don't win a title in that span, and I don't see them doing it, Danny Ainge will be looked at in a completely different light...
Without Shaq though, the Heat wouldn't have won... You can dispute it all you want, but its the truth. The chips all will fall into place for the Celts... People will want to be apart of this for sure. They will get at least another two or three key signings from free agency just based on this deal alone.
Key signings? They're looking to sign guys like Eddie House and Dikembe Mutombo... Heat would be in much better shape right now, they'd be elite contenders for years to come and an undipsuted top force in the league if they hadn't made that trade. There'd be a chance for 10+ years of title contention around Wade and it'd pretty much be a dynasty, Miami woulda been the clear-cut top team in the east of the last few years plus years to come... Now, I dunno if Boston screwed themselves in the same way, but there's a chance...PeACe
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Key signings? They're looking to sign guys like Eddie House and Dikembe Mutombo... Heat would be in much better shape right now, they'd be elite contenders for years to come and an undipsuted top force in the league if they hadn't made that trade. There'd be a chance for 10+ years of title contention around Wade and it'd pretty much be a dynasty, Miami woulda been the clear-cut top team in the east of the last few years plus years to come... Now, I dunno if Boston screwed themselves in the same way, but there's a chance...PeACe
Theres still a few months before the season starts, they will make the right moves to have good depth... Much like Kobe and the Lakers, the Celtics just want to win right now and worry about the future later. If that means getting rid of some bright young stars who have yet to develop, then so be it. It worked for the Heat. They won a title, like they wanted. Thats all the Celtics are looking for. You keep talking about the future as if the Celtics thing this is a move that will benefit them 10 years down the line. They are looking as far as 09 probably. Maybe even 2010... but thats it. Yes, they lost a lot of talent that would pan out later on down the line, but they gained some talent that will benefit them almost immediately.
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^^All I'm saying is that it can hurt them in the long run...in a big way too.
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Yes long run... I'm sure Ainge, KG, Allen, Pierce etc. are not thinking about 2012, they're thinking about 08 and 09.
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Yes long run... I'm sure Ainge, KG, Allen, Pierce etc. are not thinking about 2012, they're thinking about 08 and 09.
Yup...And if they don't win it by '09, which isn't too far away, they're in big trouble.
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That is true. They have 2 years to make it happen... If they can't then this was a waste. But WE have to wait at least 2 years to say it was bad or not.
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If the Celts don't win a title, Ainge will be more hated by the fans than McHale. But if anyone deserves to win a title in the NBA right now, it's Garnett, and with the Celts current starters, they have almost a better chance than the 03-04 Wolves.
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tight trade... bout time KG got out of minnesota's losing team
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That is true. They have 2 years to make it happen... If they can't then this was a waste. But WE have to wait at least 2 years to say it was bad or not.
I do agree.
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Imo it's not a true suckage if they don't win a title... it's about being relevant again. Boston wasn't relevant in quite some time, and not in the position to change that anytime soon without that blockbuster trade. I don't believe the hype about their traded youth. Minny won't be relevant, ever.
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Yeah man, they were stuck in mediocrity for so damn long it wasn't even funny no more. The NBA needs them back in the Finals. And the Lakers too. Lakers & Celtics are the history of this sport.
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Imo it's not a true suckage if they don't win a title... it's about being relevant again. Boston wasn't relevant in quite some time, and not in the position to change that anytime soon without that blockbuster trade. I don't believe the hype about their traded youth. Minny won't be relevant, ever.
Minny's future > Boston's future IMO
Boston was relevant just a couple years back, when they were in the Eastern Conference Finals...If they don't win a ring, they failed. FACE IT.