West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Ro J. Simpson on August 02, 2001, 02:47:03 PM
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...drop your thought on him
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hes ok
but sumtimes i hate him :-/
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The early Jay-Z and middle Jay-Z were good but nowadays he just seems to throw out anything and make more sales on the latest album then he did on the previous one. I think nowadays Jay-Z's flows are just wack and that he uses rhyming words like "bay/say"...."hello/fellow" and shit like that and also claiming he is the best also makes me dislike his stuff because of that.....I mean people know he ain't the best so why say it? I mean that's why he get's dissed...not cause people think he's great and if they diss him they gonna qudruple album sales it's cause he thinks he is the best and a lot of people disagree.......sumary = Bring back the old Jay-Z
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Y'all can hate as much as you want, Jigga is one of the dopest MCs ever. As far as I'm concerned his lyrical showing on "Dynasty" were the closest to "Reasonable Doubt", in other words SERIOUSLY HOT. Even KRS-One said on BET that Jay-Z is dope (and KRS-One doesn't give props like THAT if you know him...) A lot of y'all West Coast cats hate coz he consistently outsells most of your favorite MCs from L.A. But, hey. like my nigga Snoop said, "game recognizes game". Jay-Z is exactly #10 on my all-time greatest MCs list (each at their VERY BEST) behind Pac, Rakim, Nas, LL, Cube, Scarface, KRS, Snoop and Biggie. He's followed by Rage, Treach, Guru, Eminem, Pun, DMX, Redman, Xzibit, Kurupt and Lauryn. So he's CLASSIC. And by the way, JAY-Z is about to drop his 6th album: that should tell u A WHOLE LOT knowing today's Rap game: u can't be wack and keep on going double plat (especially for a NY rapper) even if you own ur label. Doubt it? Ask Puffy, Master P, Cash Money and others...
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he use to be good now he's an average rapper living off his name
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Lost soulja is dat u on dat pic?
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u can't be wack and keep on going double plat (especially for a NY rapper) even if you own ur label. Doubt it? Ask Puffy, Master P, Cash Money and others...
As BigJake says he just uses his name now to sell also all them NY people keep buying his shit so obviously it gonna sell.
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Never liked him(Reasonable Doubt is an exception), never will
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yo i did this post on jay z for a reason...if i remember correctly and i know im rite...i did an exact same post round about wen change the game remix dropped...some1 posted a thread on it...every1 was like Jay Z is wack now and he cant rhyme...then on the other thread the same people and some additions were like ye tha song is tight as fuck Jay Z comes very nice on thatr song...y'all up on his dick becos Daz and Kurupt appeared on the song...and in the other thread peeps were like naw he's gone...so its just a reminder dont hate on east coast just cos its a west based forum...and whoeva sed that u only listen to eastcoast music to get yo mind off the smell of piss in subways is a fool...joints like 36 chambers..Illmatic all DOPE AS FUCK...and y'all still hate on the east...i just had to point that out..
peace
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Why do people always assume it's cause of an East Coast, West Coast thing...the times of you are either East or West are gone and I just don't like Hay-Z's music that he brings out now but I do listne to Eastcoast music and West coast and I although I like West Coast better this does not reflect my opinions on Jay-Z.
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yo i did this post on jay z for a reason...if i remember correctly and i know im rite...i did an exact same post round about wen change the game remix dropped...some1 posted a thread on it...every1 was like Jay Z is wack now and he cant rhyme...then on the other thread the same people and some additions were like ye tha song is tight as fuck Jay Z comes very nice on thatr song...y'all up
on his dick becos Daz and Kurupt appeared on the song...and in the other thread peeps were like naw he's gone...so its just a reminder dont hate on east coast just cos its a west based forum...and whoeva sed that u only listen to eastcoast music to get yo mind off the smell of piss in subways is a fool...joints like 36 chambers..Illmatic all DOPE AS FUCK...and y'all still hate on the east...i just had to point that out..
peace
I FEEL YOU...
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I dont like him AT ALL. Sorry, but thats just how a mothafucka feel. I think he's the most shallow, materialistic, egotistical thing to ever grace hip hop. God I cant stand him. You can talk all you want about how great you think Reasonable Doubt is, I aint buying it [literally and the otherway]. He is exactly the thing hip hop doesnt need. And me hating him has nothing to do with his sales, cuz my fav MC ever, Pac [rip], RIPS him a new asshole when it comes to sales. I just dont like his style, nor do I like his subject matter.
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Like Rieviera said:Jay Z is one of the dopest Mc`s ever.Beanie is dope too.I love that joint,Mack Bitch ;D
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Never felt Jigga at all, and ima bigger East Coast fan then i am a West Coast fan...
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Though I'm a east coast nigga (B'more), I've always preferred west coast hip hop (Dre, Snoop,DPG in particular). I've never really felt Jay-Z though I must admit that some of his rhymes are clever.
The worst part for me is that I agree with Suge Knight on this subject. I once read in The Source or XXL that Suge says Jay-Z prospered from the death of Biggie. If you think about it, this is very true. He was known before that, but after Biggie's death, he became huge.
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Boss reckon hes cool!
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jay-z has been fuckin wack for years, reasonable doubt being the only exception (classic.)
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jay-z has been fuckin wack for years, reasonable doubt being the only exception (classic.)
And I didnt even like THAT album. Alot of people label that album classic, but I dont see whats so great about it.
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i used to hate him...now i can tolerate and respect him...he is a very talented MC but i just don't dig most of his shit...Reasonable Doubt was nice and i like tracks here on there from the rest of his albums...The Blueprint sounds dope and it might be the second Jigga album i buy...there are NO GUEST APPEARANCES! amazing! it hasn't been done for a long ass time!
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A long time? Well since march, cause Bizzy Bone didn't have any guest appearences either on his latest album. Dats wat made it so tight.
The blueprint could be allright.
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i thought Bizzy did have guest appearances?
i never heard the album but i DLed a song that i thought was from The Gift with other MC's on it...i guess it wasn't from that album...
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The Gift had NO guest appearances. That is one of the most slept on albums this year, Bizzy is the only Bone member to drop to nice solo albums so far. We'll see if Krayzie follows suite....
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The Blueprint sounds dope and it might be the second Jigga album i buy...there are NO GUEST APPEARANCES! amazing! it hasn't been done for a long ass time!
WHERE did u see that?
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its not a EAST WEST thing for me. i just dont feel him that much. i might like a few of his songs here and there but, im not a big fan
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he talk shit a little bit to much fo me, >:( n he's in L.A for the video of "hi to tha hizzo" look like snoop will be part of tha video ::):
(http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/j/Jay_Z/sq-everything-point-def.jpg)
LOS ANGELES — Call him Mayor Jigga.
Surrounded by scantily clad "secret service" babes and avid supporters, Jay-Z campaigned in the streets of downtown Los Angeles Tuesday during the video shoot for "Izzo (H.O.V.A.)," the first single from his forthcoming album, The Blueprint.
"I'm already mayor of the streets, and I'm up for re-election," Jay-Z said during a break, adding that the "election" is on September 18, the day of the album's release. "It's cosmic," he marveled.
Though Jay-Z's role in the video didn't require much of a wardrobe change — he wore a blue jersey outfit emblazoned with "Sprewell" and the number 8 — it did mean retiring some of the gluttonous behavior captured in his previous videos.
"How many times can we be on an island with pretty girls spraying champagne?" said Damon Dash, co-founder of Jay-Z's Roc-A-Fella Records label. "You gotta grow up sometime."
Standing on a giant float bearing Roc-A-Fella's logo, with his "campaign adviser" Dash and "secret service" girls at his side, Jay-Z hyped up his supporters, who carried placards and wore T-shirts with the message "Jay-Z The Blueprint 09-18-01."
His "guards" took their task seriously. "We have to make sure he doesn't get assassinated," said Kim Chillous, who complemented her microscopic black uniform with retro pink glasses. "It's a big job protectin' Mayor Jay-Z."
While it might seem more fitting for the Brooklyn-raised MC to shoot the clip on a New York street, Jay-Z said it's all about getting the job done with the least hassle.
"In New York I go outside and it's like, so many people, so much love there," he said. "Not to say there ain't no love over here — there's definitely love. But if I go out to that block in New York, there's gonna be 500,000 people out there, so it's tough for me to shoot out there."
Fortunately, said Cypress Hill leader B-Real, who dropped by the set for a visit, "he found one of our streets that looks like a New York street."
"Izzo" features a party beat and hook, but its lyrics are relatively serious — the "mayor" vents about the pitfalls of being a leader and proclaims his innocence in his real-life assault case (see "Jay-Z Trial Date Moved Again"). Jay-Z tells listeners to take his tales of ghetto life not as a guide for living, but as a lesson on what to avoid. "You're acting like I told you to sell drugs," he raps. "No, I told you that so hopefully you won't have to go through that."
"I'm not gonna sugar-coat it," Jay-Z said of "Izzo," which samples the Jackson 5's "I Want You Back." "I'm gonna give it to you the way it came out the ghetto, the way I'm supposed to. And it's up to you to decipher it. If I'm talking about a situation and ... give you the results of what happened, I'm not glorifying it. I'm just telling you what happened. I'm reportin' it. It's like holding a newscaster responsible for reportin' the news."
Jay-Z said The Blueprint is "more soulful" than his previous work, because of its personal lyrics and the fact that it's more of a one-man show than before. Unlike last year's The Dynasty — Roc la Familia 2000, which gave generous time to developing Roc-A-Fella artists, the new album features no guest appearances. This was less a conscious decision, Jay-Z said, than the result of a sudden burst of creativity during which he recorded nine songs in two weeks.
"The Blueprint is a makeup of what I seen and what my life is and what made me the way I am," he said. "It's about me — it's more so about my thoughts and my opinions, and I wanted to just go at this on my own. Once I did those first nine songs, there was no chance to bring anyone else in. I [thought], 'I might as well just finish it myself.' "
Jay-Z said he'll mount a theater tour after the album is released to "get the kinks out" before undertaking a larger-scale outing.
"People gotta definitely look out for that — them tickets are gonna be sold out quick," he said.
—Teri vanHorn ::)
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YEA YEA.......IM WIT YA RIVIERAIII.....
THA SHIT YOU SAID BOUT JIGGAZ RHYMEZ ON "THA DYNASTY" BEIN" THA CLOSEST TO RESONABLE DOUBT....IZ EXACTLY HOW I FEEL IT.....EVEN THA BEATZ SOMEHOW REMIND ME OF JIGGAZ DEBUT.....
ANYWAYZ...JIGGA IZ MOST DEF. ONE OF THA BEST
AND HE IZ IN MY TOP 5...OF THA DOPEST MCZ EVER....
AND BOUT THA EAST\WEST SHIT DAT ALL OF YALL WAZ SPITTTIN ......I THINK DAT BOTH COASTZ GOT TIGHT MCZ....THA REASON WHY I LIKE THA WEST BETTER IZ ONLY CAUZE OF THA WESTCOAST BEATZ......AND DIS DOESNT MAKE ME LIKE JIGGAZ SHIT ANY LESS....
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I dont like him AT ALL. Sorry, but thats just how a mothafucka feel. I think he's the most shallow, materialistic, egotistical thing to ever grace hip hop. God I cant stand him. You can talk all you want about how great you think Reasonable Doubt is, I aint buying it [literally and the otherway]. He is exactly the thing hip hop doesnt need. And me hating him has nothing to do with his sales, cuz my fav MC ever, Pac [rip], RIPS him a new asshole when it comes to sales. I just dont like his style, nor do I like his subject matter.
wow me and hellrazor actually agree on somthing...lol
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and y'all still hate on the east...i just had to point that out..
peace
if i hate on the east than what do you call what they do to the west....
and if i hate on the east pleeeeez explain to me why i just bought 3 eastcoast cd's today??
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YO BIGJAKE...YOU ACTUALY ONCE CLAIMED TO RESPECT PUFFY.....AND NOW YOU"Z SAYIN JIGGA IZ SHALOW....???.....DON GET YA DAWG.....
....AND BESIDEZ.....BIGEZ SHIT ON "LIIFE AFTER"....WAZ ALSO MOSTLY BRAGIN AND SHIT AND MANY OF YALL THINK IT WAZ A CLASIC TOO.......
AND TO REMIND YOU AGAIN.....WHO CAREZ BOUT THA TOPICZ OF THA TRACKZ......I ONLY CARE BOUT HOW THA RAPPA DELIVERZ IT..(LYRICAL STRUCTURE...FO THA 10000000 TIME)....AND JIGGA DOES AN EXSELENT JOB DELLIVERIN...
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yeah i respect puffy cuz he's an EXCELLENT business man and has ran his lable buetifully i might not like alot of what comes out of it but i respect the stuff he does...
the last time i checked biggy was 10 x the MC jay-z ever will be, jay-z is a lazy ass mother fucker just rides on whatever is popular get timbo to hit him up with a hot beats and mummbles through it with his whack ass partner in crime memphis bleek....seriously vol 1 was an ok effort, vol 2 was horrible, vol 3 was even worse and that roc la familia was just a producer album....he just got producers to make his album while he showed up and freestyled a bunch of songs...and added bleak and beans to fill it out...jay-z hasn't really spit a hot verse since 97', his metaphors are predictable, his disses are weak, his rhyme structure is way too clicheish, and just throws out shit that'll sell...he's capable of much more than this...i ain't supporting his lazy efforts simple as that
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BIGGIE IZ MAY BE 2 TIMEZ BETTER THAN JIGGA...ANYWAYZ...THEY BOTH IZ IN MY TOP 5 MCZ EVER.....
SECON...JIGGA IZ THA ONLY MC DAT NEVER HAZ CHILDISH RHYMEZ (NOT TOPILY...BACAUSE IT DON MATTER TOPICLY...BUT FROM A LYRICAL- STRUCTURE VEIW)...UNLIKE KURUPT...DAT
JAU HAZ TO END EVERY POSIBLE LINE WIT "BITCH"...AND GUESS WHAT...EVER NEXT LINE RYMEZ (LOL)......
ANYWAY....JIGGA IZ PROBLY ONE OF THA BEST IF NOT THA BEST MCZ NOWADAYZ IN DA GAME....
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BIGGIE IZ MAY BE 2 TIMEZ BETTER THAN JIGGA...ANYWAYZ...THEY BOTH IZ IN MY TOP 5 MCZ EVER.....
SECON...JIGGA IZ THA ONLY MC DAT NEVER HAZ CHILDISH RHYMEZ (NOT TOPILY...BACAUSE IT DON MATTER TOPICLY...BUT FROM A LYRICAL- STRUCTURE VEIW)...UNLIKE KURUPT...DAT
JAU HAZ TO END EVERY POSIBLE LINE WIT "BITCH"...AND GUESS WHAT...EVER NEXT LINE RYMEZ (LOL)......
ANYWAY....JIGGA IZ PROBLY ONE OF THA BEST IF NOT THA BEST MCZ NOWADAYZ IN DA GAME....
u obviously have only heard 13 cd's in your life
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DATZ WHAT I THOUGHT FIRST ABOUT YOU WHEN YOU STARTED SAYIN ALL OF THIS SHIT BOUT JIGGA.....
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ANYWAYZ......I LISTENED TO HUNDREDZ OF CDZ....
AND HE IZ STILL IN MY TOP FIVE.....
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DATZ WHAT I THOUGHT FIRST ABOUT YOU WHEN YOU STARTED SAYIN ALL OF THIS SHIT BOUT JIGGA.....
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ANYWAYZ......I LISTENED TO HUNDREDZ OF CDZ....
AND HE IZ STILL IN MY TOP FIVE.....
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when you say shit like jay-z was the first to use mature rhymes...that is the biggest bull shit i ever heard...there was fools in 85 spittin conscience afrocentric shit way before jigga, jay-z barely came up in 96'....ever heard of anyone name chuck d?... way more of a mature rapper than jay-z
and about you thinking i've only heard 13 cd's....lol,i seriously laugh at that...i'd love to see the expression on your face if you saw the "book shelf" i bought the other day taht holds all my cd's...really slap yourself
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hmmmm you got a point there....but damn it! i'm the son of bigg jeffree...I DO BIGG THANGZ!
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SAME GOEZ OUT TO YOU JAKE.....YOU SHOULD OF SEEN MY SHELV......
AND BESIDEZ ...I DIDNT SAY JIGGA WAZ DA FIRST TO START USIN MATURE RHYMEZ.....(I JUS SAID HE IZ THA ONE WHO YOU CANT BLAME FO LACKIN THEM)
OH.....THANX FO EXPLAININ ME WHO CHUCK D IZ....I REALY NEEDED THAT EXPLANATION....(LOL LOL LOL)....
AND BIGJAKE...THA NEXT TIME YOU TRY TO MAKE A POINT...PLZ...READ MY POST CERFULLY....AND DON ADD SHIT TO IT....
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AND BESIDEZ....WHO SAID IM LOOKIN FO SOME BEEF.....
WE JUS 2 PIPZ XCHANGIN OPINIONZ....
AT LIST DATZ HOW I C IT....
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JIGGA IZ THA ONLY MC DAT NEVER HAZ CHILDISH RHYMEZ
drugs kill braincells around the memory glands...maybe you should remember what you type or put that crack pipe down
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WHATZ WIT YO SIMBOLIC INTEACTION MAN.....???(LOL).....
DIS SENTENCE DOESNT MEAN HE STARTED IT....
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I MEANT INTERACTION....
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yeah but you clearly stated he was the only mc that never spit some childish shit....which isn't true jay-z is always talking bout some cliche stuff that can be considered childish
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SHIIIIIT...IT STILL DOESNT MEAN HE STARTED IT.....
THA UNSHILDISH RHYMEZ....
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lol
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IT AINT CONNTERDICTIN MYSELF...IM JUS SAYIN WHAT IT REALY WAZ.....I THINK BOTH OF YALL FORGOT WHAT WAZ THA WHOLE ARGUEMENT BOUT....
JAKE SAID THAT I SAID THAT "JIGGA STARTED IT"....
BUT THA SENTENCE DIDNT MEAN IT JIGGA STARTED IT....DATZ IT...SO I AINT THA ONE THAT IZ CONTREDICTIN...
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i never said jigga started any ....cept maybe roc-a-fella records, which he didn't wholey start damon dash is part responsible...anyways just stop posting on this topic IG your just making your self look ridiculous like a confused crystal meth addict
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OH...I DO....(I DONREALY GIVE A FLIN MOTHAFUCK BOUT HOW I LOOK...LOL)...AND YOU AINT LOOK REDICULOUS........OH...MAY BE CAUZE YOU"ZA MODERATOR...LOL,....LOL....
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WELL.ANYWAYZ...I KINDA GOT TIRED OF THIS SHIT...SO IMA...JUS....SAY.....
YES YOU DID JAKE...YES YOU DID...YOU SAID....THAT I SAID THAT JIGGA STARTED IT....
LOL
.....AAIGHT...IM OUT...
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drugs also kill the braincells that control literacy and verbalisation
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LOL...LOL
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it's true...it's true...
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I agree with Mouse. I think Jay-Z is a respectable mc even though . He is a talented artist alot of people just don't recognize it. However, I'm just feeling his commercial records.
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YEA YEA.......IM WIT YA RIVIERAIII.....
THA SHIT YOU SAID BOUT JIGGAZ RHYMEZ ON "THA DYNASTY" BEIN" THA CLOSEST TO RESONABLE DOUBT....IZ EXACTLY HOW I FEEL IT.....EVEN THA BEATZ SOMEHOW REMIND ME OF JIGGAZ DEBUT.....
ANYWAYZ...JIGGA IZ MOST DEF. ONE OF THA BEST
AND HE IZ IN MY TOP 5...OF THA DOPEST MCZ EVER....
AND BOUT THA EAST\WEST SHIT DAT ALL OF YALL WAZ SPITTTIN ......I THINK DAT BOTH COASTZ GOT TIGHT MCZ....THA REASON WHY I LIKE THA WEST BETTER IZ ONLY CAUZE OF THA WESTCOAST BEATZ......AND DIS DOESNT MAKE ME LIKE JIGGAZ SHIT ANY LESS....
Thank U...
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like any other rapper..i like alot of his stuff...but alot of the songs..are irritating...but hey.......not too many artist today can make a complete..dope album..so i dont expect it anymore..