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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: Oklin on August 06, 2007, 02:42:04 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/g5dCMz4gKLI
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interesting
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Yeah, you definitely got a clearer sound with the vinyl
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Daft Punk is the shit!!!
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Hahaha, on the real though a lot of audiophiles don't even have a CD collection, they'll claim more than anyone else that vinyl is much smoother and more pleasing to the ear than any overly bright and sterilized CD of the same album.
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Daft Punk is the shit!!!
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Wtf lol, cd's dont work like that haha!!!
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its true though Vinyl is much more clearer than CD.
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Hahaha, on the real though a lot of audiophiles don't even have a CD collection, they'll claim more than anyone else that vinyl is much smoother and more pleasing to the ear than any overly bright and sterilized CD of the same album.
its true though Vinyl is much more clearer than CD.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Hw2bgTj2s-M
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Vinyl is much easier to ruin because it's a softer material than that used to make CDs. The consistant friction from the needle causes gouging and vinyl scratches and breaks a whole lot easier than CDs. PLUS, no matter how perfect the vinyl is that you have purchased, it will sound like shit if you don't have the correct needle to play it with.
With that said, if every aspect is perfect when playing vinyl, then yes it is a much better medium to use when listening to music than with CDs.
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Vinyl is much easier to ruin because it's a softer material than that used to make CDs. The consistant friction from the needle causes gouging and vinyl scratches and breaks a whole lot easier than CDs. PLUS, no matter how perfect the vinyl is that you have purchased, it will sound like shit if you don't have the correct needle to play it with.
With that said, if every aspect is perfect when playing vinyl, then yes it is a much better medium to use when listening to music than with CDs.
As a producer, I can say sometimes viny samplesl has a "warmth" that CD's just can't pick up; with that siad, I don't think anyone can argue with the convienance of CD.
And remember, with no CD, we prolly don't get CD-rom, DVD-R's, and so forth; Imagine how different our world will be...
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Vinyl is much easier to ruin because it's a softer material than that used to make CDs. The consistant friction from the needle causes gouging and vinyl scratches and breaks a whole lot easier than CDs. PLUS, no matter how perfect the vinyl is that you have purchased, it will sound like shit if you don't have the correct needle to play it with.
With that said, if every aspect is perfect when playing vinyl, then yes it is a much better medium to use when listening to music than with CDs.
As a producer, I can say sometimes viny samplesl has a "warmth" that CD's just can't pick up; with that siad, I don't think anyone can argue with the convienance of CD.
And remember, with no CD, we prolly don't get CD-rom, DVD-R's, and so forth; Imagine how different our world will be...
Ya, shit would be fucked up!!!
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Hahaha, on the real though a lot of audiophiles don't even have a CD collection, they'll claim more than anyone else that vinyl is much smoother and more pleasing to the ear than any overly bright and sterilized CD of the same album.
its true though Vinyl is much more clearer than CD.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Hw2bgTj2s-M
I agree that vinyl does sound better, but ask yourself this (and, I'm being theoretical here, not saying the videos are stupid or anything):
How are you gonna prove that vinyl sounds better than a CD using a YouTube video or any other digital media? The unheard vibrations that a vinyl produces are lost in making the video - as they are when making a CD.
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^ True, although after having doing quite a bit of this type of restoration work, those vibrations that may color the sound, depending on how complex the musical passage, are effectively minimized to a negligible extent when using the right equipment that the average consumer probably wouldn't be interested in unless they were a die hard audiophile.
A combination of a high quality table from either VPI, Thorens, or Rega, coupled with the right tonearm, carbon fiber mat, correct stylus azimuth, record clamp, a properly dampened work equipment area, correct RIAA preamp, shielded cabling, full range sound system and monitoring, and acoustically sound room will reduce any pitch variation, WOW flutter and vibration well below the noise floor of the record itself.
All mediums have some degree of noise, many will argue that analog (vinyl, tape [NOT CASSETTE TAPE]) offers sound characteristics like harmonic saturation, warmth, and a mellowed high end that digital (PCM recording, CDs, MP3, etc) hasn't perfected, or won't be able to as those characteristics just aren't part of the digital process. But to credit digital recordings, you have a much greater dynamic range which has been abused to no end with the hyper compressed CDs that are driving the current generation deaf. Record companies don't care, whatever is loudest will attract the most attention they figure.
Unless the record itself is worn out or wasn't handled properly, the amount of noise is significantly reduced when run through a specific cleaning machine that will vacuum the deep end of the record groove. Any remaining noise or ticks can be filtered out by transient detection to reduce clicks and crackle and by the use of broadband noise reduction if there's too much hiss in the record's high end.
Youtube is among the worst compression (both audio and video) on the net with these types of new media sites. Luckily, Youtube is great for the videos of jackass students pulling off stunts where they're bound to break a leg, rather than any discussion of this sort of topic.
Compression issues of Youtube aside, the only way to lose the vibrations is by high quality playback equipment and monitoring, or by deliberately filtering out the frequencies where they’re most perceivable (Such as the low end pass 45 to 20 Hz). What were you referring to when claiming that these vibration where lost when making a CD? Sampling?
Regards
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I don't know for sure and wasn't referring to anything - I've just heard that when digitized, music loses these vibrations. If I remember correctly, DJ Quik talked about it in an interview (Scratch magazine, I think) before Trauma came out.
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I guess it just doesn't have the same thump with a CD...
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I don't know for sure and wasn't referring to anything - I've just heard that when digitized, music loses these vibrations. If I remember correctly, DJ Quik talked about it in an interview (Scratch magazine, I think) before Trauma came out.
Yeah in that article on Scratch he was referring to harmonic saturation of the fundamental frequencies. He explains that these were the qualities of the song that you can actually sense and feel rather than just hearing, which makes his choice of hardware interesting because he wants to retain as much of that analog sound in the digital process. Computers can't capture that faithfully using just 1's and 0's.
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Hahaha, on the real though a lot of audiophiles don't even have a CD collection, they'll claim more than anyone else that vinyl is much smoother and more pleasing to the ear than any overly bright and sterilized CD of the same album.
its true though Vinyl is much more clearer than CD.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Hw2bgTj2s-M
Thats quite a cool beat playing.
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Yeah, you definitely got a clearer sound with the vinyl
ture, but i can't afford vynils and a 50 pack spindle of CD-R's is 15 dollars
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he obviously hasnt heard a vinyl in a cd player ::)
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he obviously hasnt heard a vinyl in a cd player ::)
Haha, it was a pretty silly video, I know some real hard core audio dudes that would of murdered him for putting the stylus tip on that CD.
There's this one table that actually uses a a tray and laser beam to play vinyl records, think it's called the ELP, costs somewhere near $10,000.
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the payoff is about the same
with vynal you do pick up vibrations that the most advanced cd's don't. however vynal picks up a lot of undesired noise. these noises can be cut out with digital assistance refined.
also for turntable that could produce the same sound quality of a regular cd player is more costly. a 200 dollar turntable gets you the same effect a 20 dollar cd player could. economically cd's are more cost effective.
digital audio is advancing every day so this argument is becoming more and more outdated.
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digital audio is advancing every day so this argument is becoming more and more outdated.
A $20.00 CD Player and $200.00 turntable are absolutely no comparison. A $20.00 CD Player can't possibly have good DACs and a Stanton or Numark plastic turntable is frowned upon from everyone except the myspace "producers" who've never had the age or luck to see what real equipment is.
In exactly what ways is digital audio advancing everyday? Admittedly, from the ease of on screen editing, low maintenance, the high capacity of recording space, and the avoidance of splicing blocks, not having to align tape heads or rewinding back and forth from tapes and avoiding the sometimes faulty vinyl pressings. But how has the sound of purely digital plugins and IC outboard gear measured up to the sound of their analog counterparts?
The oversampling argument has been put to rest. As CDs came to popularity, even people who casually listened to their own playback systems had liked CDs for their convenience and not having to cue up any tracks, but preferred their reel to reel decks and records if the argument was purely for how they sounded. (VINYL Records)
Mind you, although digital recording is more or less the standard now in several studios, the majority of all professional studio albums were and still are produced with some of the finest outboard analog gear, including 2 Inch Studer tape decks, SSL Boards, High quality A/D and D/A converters, and mastering quality analog amplifiers, EQs, Compressors and Peak Limiters. The role of any digital equipment at such a stage is to route all this gear together and organize it's work flow into the DAW for the hard disks to record, and to make PMCD's for the replication plants to mass produce.
But to assume that using purely digital equipment can sound anywhere near as good as what analog can bring is ridiculous. Look up some interviews with Dr. Dre and DJ Quik. Although from the West Coast, where the Hollywood industry continues to influence professional production values in all sound / film / video more than any other area (except for the Germans and Japanese) these two producers arguably have some of the best sounding albums out their for any artist. Read what they say regarding the recording process and which equipment they like to draw their signature high quality sounds from.
The argument that digital sound will improve because its technology is always changing is not always the best for audio. It gets better, but the cost of R&D and ultimately the end product to the users are incredibly expensive.
Regards