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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Lazar on August 18, 2007, 03:13:44 AM
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God damn, that song is too good. I never get tired of this crazy instrumental. One of the best beats Dre ever did. Too bad The Firm flops :-\
The vid is also a straight classic 8)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HM9zpTTZirk
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Hell yeah! Dope track and a dope video!
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That was the shit back in the day.......that track never gets old........classic shit........
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Too bad The Firm flops :-\
Reached #1 in the Billboard album charts. Went platinum without having a huge single.
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I think people werent ready for this album, it was ahead of its time.
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yeah its sadd to say but the firm did indeed flop
if Dre can be man enoguh to say "all you niggas say i turned pop when the firm flopped" on his own single then i'd say it wasn't nearly what it was expected to be lol
but anything Nas and Dre have to do with is gold to me usually, phone tap's beat is indeed a fuckin classick
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yeah its sadd to say but the firm did indeed flop
if Dre can be man enoguh to say "all you niggas say i turned pop when the firm flopped" on his own single then i'd say it wasn't nearly what it was expected to be lol
Are there two different versions of Forgot About Dre out or something? I just popped 2001 it in my stereo, I checked several times, but I swear Dre says
"All you niggaz that said that I turned pop, or The Firm flopped, y'all are the reason that Dre' been getting no sleep, so fuck y'all."
That's like the opposite!
And please get real. How did The Firm flop? It's been the best charting success in the careers of Foxy as well as AZ and Nature! It had the potential to become something totally unique and at that it failed, but it was still in no way a flop. What premise makes you say it is?
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I just remember this group had crazy hype around it. It came out around the time the Fugees dropped. Foxy was coming off a big album, AZ had Do Or Die and Nas did big numbers with It Was Written. Affirmative Action got a great response and so did the Dre produced track on IWW. The combo of Dre/The Firm on paper looked like it was going to do 2-5mil in its sleep. But looking back at that album now, it had WAAAAY too many people involved with it. All the artists were on different labels, you add aftermath involved, just too many opinions I am sure involved in the direction of the album. The Dre cuts were dope, but some of the cuts were bland to me. 2nd- no Cormega. Nothing against Nature but I was looking forward to having Mega on there. 3rd- the guest appearances. Canibus and Nore showed up the Firm on they appearances on there. IMO I thought it could have been better but a good album nonetheless.
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I think people werent ready for this album, it was ahead of its time.
Yep, your absolutely right
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That beat was slammin, i used to have it repeat on my headphones while i stomped about.
Would of been doper if Dre had rapped on it solo.
The instrumental is :o
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The instrumental is Shocked
As I say. For me Dre did his best beats in that time (about 96-99)
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Damn, I never even knew there was a video for this
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They also make a video for "Firm Biz"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6aWqxccthsM
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I think people werent ready for this album, it was ahead of its time.
I don't get what that means. It was 10 years ago and today people aren't making Goodfellas rip offs in the form of albums. Are you suggesting that one day a cheezy, kind of a story album, will be common in Hip Hop?
I don't have a problem with an album playing out like a movie and rappers playing parts in that movie. I just don't htink the Firm did a good job of that. It was more Chris Gaines than it was Sgt. Peppers or The Wall.
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yeah its sadd to say but the firm did indeed flop
if Dre can be man enoguh to say "all you niggas say i turned pop when the firm flopped" on his own single then i'd say it wasn't nearly what it was expected to be lol
Are there two different versions of Forgot About Dre out or something? I just popped 2001 it in my stereo, I checked several times, but I swear Dre says
"All you niggaz that said that I turned pop, or The Firm flopped, y'all are the reason that Dre' been getting no sleep, so fuck y'all."
That's like the opposite!
And please get real. How did The Firm flop? It's been the best charting success in the careers of Foxy as well as AZ and Nature! It had the potential to become something totally unique and at that it failed, but it was still in no way a flop. What premise makes you say it is?
I mean, take these names in 97 - Dre, Nas, Foxy Brown, AZ, Mega/Nature. Those are some of the biggest names in the game at that time. Even if it went platinum, most of those cats could have done those numbers in their sleep at that time - shit multi plat (Dre, Nas, Foxy). So in that sense, it was a flop. But it came at a time when Dre was kinda in a rut and trying to find his sound again. I hated the shit Dre did w/ Nas on IWW, it's one of my least favorite joints on the album.
And it wasn't just Dre, it was the Trackmasters as well. And keep in mind that NY was really on some popped out, jack 80's joints, mafioso shit, and it was pretty watered down at that time. Remember "Affirmative Action"? That shit was RETARDED. The Firm album should have sounded like that from top to bottom, but these mutherfuckers dropped the ball.
But "Firm Biz" was a pretty damn large song at the time. Peeps were bangin that shit when it dropped. But this album came nowhere near it's potential.
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yeah its sadd to say but the firm did indeed flop
if Dre can be man enoguh to say "all you niggas say i turned pop when the firm flopped" on his own single then i'd say it wasn't nearly what it was expected to be lol
Are there two different versions of Forgot About Dre out or something? I just popped 2001 it in my stereo, I checked several times, but I swear Dre says
"All you niggaz that said that I turned pop, or The Firm flopped, y'all are the reason that Dre' been getting no sleep, so fuck y'all."
That's like the opposite!
And please get real. How did The Firm flop? It's been the best charting success in the careers of Foxy as well as AZ and Nature! It had the potential to become something totally unique and at that it failed, but it was still in no way a flop. What premise makes you say it is?
I mean, take these names in 97 - Dre, Nas, Foxy Brown, AZ, Mega/Nature. Those are some of the biggest names in the game at that time. Even if it went platinum, most of those cats could have done those numbers in their sleep at that time - shit multi plat (Dre, Nas, Foxy). So in that sense, it was a flop. But it came at a time when Dre was kinda in a rut and trying to find his sound again. I hated the shit Dre did w/ Nas on IWW, it's one of my least favorite joints on the album.
And it wasn't just Dre, it was the Trackmasters as well. And keep in mind that NY was really on some popped out, jack 80's joints, mafioso shit, and it was pretty watered down at that time. Remember "Affirmative Action"? That shit was RETARDED. The Firm album should have sounded like that from top to bottom, but these mutherfuckers dropped the ball.
But "Firm Biz" was a pretty damn large song at the time. Peeps were bangin that shit when it dropped. But this album came nowhere near it's potential.
It's a shame mega wasn't on it. Needed some better beats though.
And I have to agree, Nas Is Coming is like my least favorite track on It Was Written.
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Classic track, best track on the Firm album.
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dope song
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bump, here's a higher quality version of the video
http://www.youtube.com/v/tQZUedYu0Hg
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that album was trying too hard to be a 'concept album' .. this beat is fucking classic though,
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Damn i was just listening to this shit like 3 hours ago. Probably top 10 Dre beat. Such a classic song.
Gotdamn at the flip of this sample
https://www.youtube.com/v/DLDEi-r7FDU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLDEi-r7FDU)
Ps. Someone tell me how to emped youtube in here
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classic shit right here! was listening to it a couple of weeks ago thinking to myself : this is still hard after all these years
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I think people werent ready for this album, it was ahead of its time.
I don't get what that means. It was 10 years ago and today people aren't making Goodfellas rip offs in the form of albums.
Word. I mean, I personally enjoyed the album, it had it's moments, Canibus had an excellent guest appearance on there, and no doubt "Phone Tap" is a huge banger!. But the whole Mafioso thing was a little overdone to me, I mean, I understand it was a concept album, but even Dre admits it kind of fell short and didn't meet it's full potential. Either way, it is what it is, and I've always liked the album even to this day.
BTW, the best Nas, Dre collabo will always be "East Coast/West Coast Killa" which is one of the most legendary and under-rated tracks in hip-hop history.
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wasnt feelin the whole album but this song is crazy and mad dope
tuff 1 between this and Five Minutes To Flush
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wasnt feelin the whole album but this song is crazy and mad dope
tuff 1 between this and Five Minutes To Flush
no way... "Phone Tap" is a ten and easily the best track on the album, and "Five Minutes To Flush" isn't even in the top 3 best tracks for the album... I put it like this...
1. "Phone Tap" 10 out of 10
2. "Desperados" feat. Canibus- 8.5 out of 10
3. "Firm Fiasco" 7 out of 10
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1.five minutes to flush
2.desperados
3.phone tap
3 of the best traxx from the east period...hard to choose which 1 is first
wasnt feelin the whole album but this song is crazy and mad dope
tuff 1 between this and Five Minutes To Flush
no way... "Phone Tap" is a ten and easily the best track on the album, and "Five Minutes To Flush" isn't even in the top 3 best tracks for the album... I put it like this...
1. "Phone Tap" 10 out of 10
2. "Desperados" feat. Canibus- 8.5 out of 10
3. "Firm Fiasco" 7 out of 10
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1.five minutes to flush
2.desperados
3.phone tap
3 of the best traxx from the east period...hard to choose which 1 is first
Are you serious? You consider these the best East Coast songs ever?
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3 of the dopest
1.five minutes to flush
2.desperados
3.phone tap
3 of the best traxx from the east period...hard to choose which 1 is first
Are you serious? You consider these the best East Coast songs ever?
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I had this album like 4 years ago but I sold it... regret doing so
I gotta download this one again now after viewing this thread 8)
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Am I the only one that thinks Executive Decision is an awesome track aswell?
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3 of the dopest
Do you mean those are the top 3 songs from the East Coast in your opinion? "The Firm" had some good material on it but best 3 of all times? Oh hell nah.
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their 3 dopest and 3 of the dopest to come outta their coast....yeah they was dope songs and still are...classic
3 of the dopest
Do you mean those are the top 3 songs from the East Coast in your opinion? "The Firm" had some good material on it but best 3 of all times? Oh hell nah.
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I think people werent ready for this album, it was ahead of its time.
I don't get what that means. It was 10 years ago and today people aren't making Goodfellas rip offs in the form of albums.
Word. I mean, I personally enjoyed the album, it had it's moments, Canibus had an excellent guest appearance on there, and no doubt "Phone Tap" is a huge banger!. But the whole Mafioso thing was a little overdone to me, I mean, I understand it was a concept album, but even Dre admits it kind of fell short and didn't meet it's full potential. Either way, it is what it is, and I've always liked the album even to this day.
BTW, the best Nas, Dre collabo will always be "East Coast/West Coast Killa" which is one of the most legendary and under-rated tracks in hip-hop history.
So true, personally one of my fav's from that late 90's jiggy/mafioso era, concept album that falls flat in places, and does get bland at times ("Fuck Somebody Else"... WTF was that shit?) I always said since day one, if that album had been produced 100% by Dre, it woulda been a different story
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can some one put mp3 link of phone tap. damn...i lost somewhere my cd..fuck that shit
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i really like the Unreleased Version of Desperados 8)
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whoa whoa....unreleased?
whats the difference?
i really like the Unreleased Version of Desperados 8)
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03 - Nas Feat. Nature & Foxy Brown - Desperados (Unreleased Original Version).mp3 - 7.0 Mb (http://usershare.net/PersianProfassor/5v4adbp1fnvx) 8)
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is it also known as desperados part 2? and nas verse if first?
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...don't forget that this was the first time Dr. Dre & Mel-Man started producing together....
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I think this will go down in hip hop as one of the most dissapointing albums of all time.
Cormega should have been still in the group,hes easily better then everyone except nas,and personally I think hes on nass level,he might not reach the peaks that nas does but hes wayyyyy more consistent.
As for the album,the trackmasters ruined it for me,their producting was awful 80 pecent of the time,dont know how those guys were big.
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yeah should have been much better.....and maybe canibus in the group also
...don't forget that this was the first time Dr. Dre & Mel-Man started producing together....
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this song, affirmative action, 4 in da morning unreleased versiion, everyday thang and some others are STRAIGHT classic!!
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speaking of, can anyone give me a link to the firm album? my shit is all scratched up!
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4 in da morning unreleased version...whats this?
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Classic song on a disappointing album.