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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on August 21, 2007, 10:54:09 AM
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In the future, when historians and younger fans look back into the 90's and 2000's of rap, what label do you think will be seen as being more of a powerhouse? Which one will be more talked about period, whether it's for positive or negative reasons?
According to Wiki...Aftermath albums in total have gone approximately 50+ times platinum in America, spanning in an eleven year period. Death Row's records have gone approximately 65+ times platinum in a 15 year period. As far as the accurate number of sales that each company made, I'd just estimate that you could add 5-10 million to the 50+ and 65+, since thsoe are just rough estimates as well.
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death row by far, always controversy, at least 4 or 5 classic albums, at least, had near enough every major player signed to them, an amazing legacy
aftermath for me seems kinda boring
chronic 2001 and slim shady lp for me are the only classics, people seem to come and go and nothing ever drops
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people seem to come and go and nothing ever drops
Interesting thing is, before I made this thread, I was actually going to make one asking if Aftermath was overrated as a company, because of the fact that 90% of the artists never come out...but when I went to see how many albums they sold, I said "oh.....nevermind....." and thought about Death Row's legacy in comparison.
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death row by far, always controversy, at least 4 or 5 classic albums, at least, had near enough every major player signed to them, an amazing legacy
aftermath for me seems kinda boring
chronic 2001 and slim shady lp for me are the only classics, people seem to come and go and nothing ever drops
Couldn't agree more
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Death Row easily, I mean just look at the quality of the albums that were getting released over there (except for their later stuff). Except for 2001, I don't think Aftermath has released a classic & even 2001 is just a west coast classic imo, it's not on the level of other CD's that are hailed classics by everyone. Plus the artists, most of them were all talented, unlike some of the Aftermath ones.
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good thread.........i think it depends on what type of legacy were talking about.......obviously, in terms of being notorious, death row has that hands down.........i think aftermath will have more of a mainstream legacy that non hip hop fans will be familiar with.......but death row has so many classics affiliated with it, (pirmarily the chronic, doggystyle, and all eyes on me), that its hard for any label to say they will go down in history as being more influential to the culture in general, whether it be in a negative or positive way.......
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Apart from 2001, The Documentary and maybe GRODT I can't think of one album released on Aftermath that was worth the money. Death Row hadn't released one album that wasn't worth the money (not that I can think of at least).
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Apart from 2001, The Documentary and maybe GRODT I can't think of one album released on Aftermath that was worth the money. Death Row hadn't released one album that wasn't worth the money (not that I can think of at least).
dont like EM?
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Death Row 8)
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i think one thing that should be considered is what happens within the next couple years.......detox, bishop, new em shit........where as with every re releasing that suge does, all the raping of pac's legacy that he continues to commit.......its not exactly ending on a good note for death row and that does tarnish the legacy a bit, maybe not enough to sway judgement, but aftermath has many years ahead of it where as death row is pretty much RIP at this point........
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Apart from 2001, The Documentary and maybe GRODT I can't think of one album released on Aftermath that was worth the money. Death Row hadn't released one album that wasn't worth the money (not that I can think of at least).
dont like EM?
Oh, I forgot about his first 2 Aftermath releases, but that was a long time ago though.
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Depends on who you ask. If you ask Dre it would be Aftermath. DR never was fully his, so Suge whether you feel he is owed it or not, will get credit also for DR's success. Aftermath for the most part is all Dre. I think from a impact standpoint the short time DR was on top has not been matched. Maybe No Limit but other than that no. Aftermath has more long term success but at a slower pace as far as albums dropped. But the ones that do come out usually do well.
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Death Row, by far and for several different reasons. I'll explain briefly:
1) They were the ones responsible for bringing West Coast rappers to the mainstream public. With success too.
2) Not only did they bring several rappers to a mainstream audience, they also managed to launch successful careers of some Death Row rappers. So they weren't one-hit-wonders. Death Row had an eye for talent.
3) Artists such as 2Pac and Snoop were partly responsible for helping blow up rap music overseas (I'm speaking for Europe now). I remember that California Love was one of the first "gangsta" rap songs that made a rather impressive impact in the charts around here. I discussed that in my thesis on hip-hop culture by the way. Granted, Pac & Snoop weren't the only ones. "Gangsta's Paradise" did very well around here, which also stimulated the popularity of rap here.
4) There's plenty more to add...
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Death Row BY FARRRR
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Aftermath was an error made by Dre musical wise (don't care if Dre is making lots of money) coz he can't release the music he wants and barely can't (want ?) release music anyways ... DR by far
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There would not be so much talk of west coast rap if it wasn't for Death Row. In fact, if it wasn't for Death Row all these new west coast rappers would try to get out of that box and actually say something else than "west coast", "westside", "california", "bay area" and "west up" in interviews and songs.
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Death Row, by far and for several different reasons. I'll explain briefly:
1) They were the ones responsible for bringing West Coast rappers to the mainstream public. With success too.
2) Not only did they bring several rappers to a mainstream audience, they also managed to launch successful careers of some Death Row rappers. So they weren't one-hit-wonders. Death Row had an eye for talent.
3) Artists such as 2Pac and Snoop were partly responsible for helping blow up rap music overseas (I'm speaking for Europe now). I remember that California Love was one of the first "gangsta" rap songs that made a rather impressive impact in the charts around here. I discussed that in my thesis on hip-hop culture by the way. Granted, Pac & Snoop weren't the only ones. "Gangsta's Paradise" did very well around here, which also stimulated the popularity of rap here.
4) There's plenty more to add...
I might argue that Ruthless is the first company to blow West Coast artists up, especially with Dre blowing up through them before Death Row...but aside from that, that's all truth.
I never knew about the overseas market, so I had no idea about California Love having that kind of effect.
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I never knew about the overseas market, so I had no idea about California Love having that kind of effect.
California Love is the only rap song I hear every single night I go out.
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Aftermath.. Because of 50 Cent.. But when all the dumb fucks who isnt really into hiphop talk about 50 Cent they dont talk about the label behind.. So maybe not Aftermath :P
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Aftermath. Cuz Aftermath will prolly still be successful in 2016. That's 20 years of success. Death Row was only on top between 92 and 96.
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Deathrow's legacy is much bigger... I think tha question should be who's legacy will be greater, Ruthless or Deathrow...??
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Death Row because it was the original dope music
Aftermath is just another branch on the tree later down the road, a big branch might I add but Death Row will always be remembered more
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Death Row because it was the original dope music
Aftermath is just another branch on the tree later down the road, a big branch might I add but Death Row will always be remembered more
kinda off topic, but what is your avatar picture?
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Deathrow's legacy is much bigger... I think tha question should be who's legacy will be greater, Ruthless or Deathrow...??
That is not even a question. Death Row by far...
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Death Row because it was the original dope music
Aftermath is just another branch on the tree later down the road, a big branch might I add but Death Row will always be remembered more
kinda off topic, but what is your avatar picture?
it's a secret spot at the famous Lake Tahoe in Nevada
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Aftermath. Cuz Aftermath will prolly still be successful in 2016. That's 20 years of success. Death Row was only on top between 92 and 96.
but in those 4 years Death Row achieved more than Aftermath could ever hope to achieve
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Aftermath. Cuz Aftermath will prolly still be successful in 2016. That's 20 years of success. Death Row was only on top between 92 and 96.
but in those 4 years Death Row achieved more than Aftermath could ever hope to achieve
That's really the main thing I look at.....DR's amazingly strong 4 years, or Aftermath's up and down but still consistent 10+ years?
With sales, if they continue at the exact same pace, they'll sell more numbers than DR in 3-4 years or so. Many of Death Row's sales came from 2Pac's death, and especially because he did double albums.
Aftermath has reached to different coasts, and has successfully put out an artist in three major regions.
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Death Row by a longshot 8)
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Aftermath Of course, aftermath aint over yet!
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Death Row...
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Aftermath Of course, aftermath aint over yet!
u actually think aftermath have another like 5 classic albums to come out, be involved with most of the top guys on the west coast and be involved with murders?
i dont think so, no1 will be like deathrow
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RUTHLESS!!! Aftermath-soft, DR-K hehehe 8)
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What is Aftermath? Is that a place where rappers end up when they want their careers put on hold permenatly/indefinitely?
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:-\..... 8)
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Excellent question..
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Both have great music up their sleaves and both have some dissapointments. Right now, Death Row probably has the upper hand... but perception may change with DETOX, Joell, Bishop and whatever else has potential there.
Notible Records:
Death Row:
The Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder Was The Case Soundtrack
Dogg Food
All Eyez on Me
Aftermath:
The Slim Shady LP
Chronic 2001
The Marshall Mathers LP
Truthfully Speaking
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
The Documentary
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Death Row no question. They were untouchable in the peak era of (quality) rap music. From the Chronic all the way to Makaveli, everything they released was a classic. Even some of the stuff they put out after Makaveli was pretty good. What is Aftermath? Dre and then what?
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I do not get why people would choose Death Row, first aftermath released more classics and its not even done yet! plus business wise, they had good business moves, look at shady record, look at g -unit, while Death Row failed with Doggystyle Record and Death Row East
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i only listen to 2001 n The Documentary from Aftermath
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Both have great music up their sleaves and both have some dissapointments. Right now, Death Row probably has the upper hand... but perception may change with DETOX, Joell, Bishop and whatever else has potential there.
Notible Records:
Death Row:
The Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder Was The Case Soundtrack
Dogg Food
All Eyez on Me
Aftermath:
The Slim Shady LP
Chronic 2001
The Marshall Mathers LP
Truthfully Speaking
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
The Documentary
there is 5 classic albums from death row, out of them from after math, 2 at the most are classic material
I do not get why people would choose Death Row, first aftermath released more classics and its not even done yet! plus business wise, they had good business moves, look at shady record, look at g -unit, while Death Row failed with Doggystyle Record and Death Row East
oh my god, seriously consider listening to another genre of music if you think aftermth already have more classics, have a fuckin word with yourself
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I definately prefer Death Row, and I want to answer Death Row... But I definately think that by the time Aftermath shuts down, it'll be on another level than Death Row, not musically speaking, but that's not the issue here... we're talking about commercial success and the legacy remembered by people that's not your typical west-coast listener.
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Both have great music up their sleaves and both have some dissapointments. Right now, Death Row probably has the upper hand... but perception may change with DETOX, Joell, Bishop and whatever else has potential there.
Notible Records:
Death Row:
The Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder Was The Case Soundtrack
Dogg Food
All Eyez on Me
Aftermath:
The Slim Shady LP
Chronic 2001
The Marshall Mathers LP
Truthfully Speaking
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
The Documentary
there is 5 classic albums from death row, out of them from after math, 2 at the most are classic material
I do not get why people would choose Death Row, first aftermath released more classics and its not even done yet! plus business wise, they had good business moves, look at shady record, look at g -unit, while Death Row failed with Doggystyle Record and Death Row East
oh my god, seriously consider listening to another genre of music if you think aftermth already have more classics, have a fuckin word with yourself
I'm sorry but I think alot of people overrate the term "classic" this day and age. Death Row had alot of great materiel, but "classic" shouldn't be used lightly. IMO, Tha Row had 3 classics and Tha Math had 2. Everything else would be from "Great" to "Weak".
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Yeah, only "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" are true classics to me.
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Death Row hands down... What Death Row achieved in 4 yrs most companies wont be able to achieve in 10 yrs+.. Death Row was a whole crew, when you said Pac it was Death Row, when you say Snoop it was DeathRow, Dre Death Row, DPG Death Row... now Aftermath doesnt have that type of movement... when you say 50 u think G Unit, u say Em u think Shady, u say Dre then u think aftermath... Aftermath has done great though no doubt but they aint on the level of Death Row...
Classic after classic dropped from Death Row and u have the biggest names on the Roster, Snoop, Pac and Dre with the DPG crew... Pac hands down took Death Row to next level... Aftermath is good but they aint a dynasty...
oh also Ruthless wont be on the level of Death Row but i can say Ruthless made Death Row, if it wasnt for Ruthless how would suge meet doc and dre and move on to make the Row. Ruthless gave birth to Death Row but Death Row will have bigger legacy than Ruthless cus Death Row took the music all over the world, overseas, Ruthless had it poppin the US but was not overseas... Death Row made the music even more bigger than what Ruthless had done... Ruthless started this gangsta shit but Death Row made this Gangsta shit bigger...
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I do not get why people would choose Death Row, first aftermath released more classics and its not even done yet! plus business wise, they had good business moves, look at shady record, look at g -unit, while Death Row failed with Doggystyle Record and Death Row East
These vanity labels didn't really take off till after the millenium.
Biggie had a vanity label, 2pac had a vanity label, Snoop had one.
The only 2 succesful vanity labels I know of are Shady and GUnit.
Vanity labels don't usually go anywhre
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As far as "classics"....I'd say Death Row has Chronic, Doggystyle, and All Eyez on me as TRUE MAJOR classics, with Dogg food almost being at that level, but not quite, only because it didn't have the same overall impact to the entire nation. Murder was the case is a GREAT album, but I don't know if I could really call it classic with it being a soundtrack...because the variety of artists gives it an aural advantage, while it breaks up the continuity of the album itself on the other hand. I'd say Aftermath has one TRUE, MAJOR classic, which is Chronic 2001...and MMLP is closest at second.
So if I had to list albums from both companies from best to "worst", I'd probably say.....
1. Chronic
2. Doggystyle
3. Chronic 2001
4. All Eyez on me
5. Marshall Mathers LP
6. Dogg Food
7. Get Rich or die trying
8. Murder was the case
9. The Documentary
10. Slim Shady LP
And that list is with me being as unbiased as possible...because I like Dogg Food better than MMLP, and I like Murder was the case and possibly The Doc better than Get Rich..but when it comes to overall impact, radio play, and what's remembered by the entire nation and not just West Coast fans...I'd say that list is most accurate.
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1. Chronic
2. Doggystyle
3. Chronic 2001
4. All Eyez on me
5. Marshall Mathers LP
6. Dogg Food
7. Get Rich or die trying
8. Murder was the case
9. The Documentary
10. Slim Shady LP
Awesome, accurate, pretty unbiased list.
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As far as "classics"....I'd say Death Row has Chronic, Doggystyle, and All Eyez on me as TRUE MAJOR classics, with Dogg food almost being at that level, but not quite, only because it didn't have the same overall impact to the entire nation. Murder was the case is a GREAT album, but I don't know if I could really call it classic with it being a soundtrack...because the variety of artists gives it an aural advantage, while it breaks up the continuity of the album itself on the other hand. I'd say Aftermath has one TRUE, MAJOR classic, which is Chronic 2001...and MMLP is closest at second.
So if I had to list albums from both companies from best to "worst", I'd probably say.....
1. Chronic
2. Doggystyle
3. Chronic 2001
4. All Eyez on me
5. Marshall Mathers LP
6. Dogg Food
7. Get Rich or die trying
8. Murder was the case
9. The Documentary
10. Slim Shady LP
And that list is with me being as unbiased as possible...because I like Dogg Food better than MMLP, and I like Murder was the case and possibly The Doc better than Get Rich..but when it comes to overall impact, radio play, and what's remembered by the entire nation and not just West Coast fans...I'd say that list is most accurate.
What about Makaveli?
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^^I was really going by the list of CDs that were listed right before me, which are the ones we hear mentioned as classics...but I do hear some say Makaveli was classic. I'd put it somewhere lower on the list, probably right before The Doc.
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Dont gotta read the replies........ Deathrow Is 4 Life bitches
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death row by far
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death row cuz all that sh*t was new when it was coming out...was unlike anything anyone heard before.
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i think one thing that should be considered is what happens within the next couple years.......detox, bishop, new em shit........where as with every re releasing that suge does, all the raping of pac's legacy that he continues to commit.......its not exactly ending on a good note for death row and that does tarnish the legacy a bit, maybe not enough to sway judgement, but aftermath has many years ahead of it where as death row is pretty much RIP at this point........
Suge is the one raping Pac's legacy? I mean I'm no fan of Suge, but he is not the one releasing all these bullshit remixed albums.
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Both have great music up their sleaves and both have some dissapointments. Right now, Death Row probably has the upper hand... but perception may change with DETOX, Joell, Bishop and whatever else has potential there.
Notible Records:
Death Row:
The Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder Was The Case Soundtrack
Dogg Food
All Eyez on Me
Add:
Makaveli
Above The Rim Soundtrack
Danny Boy - Slip n Slide <------ok thats a reach on my part but its a very solid record that I still play to this day.
Aftermath:
The Slim Shady LP
Chronic 2001
The Marshall Mathers LP
Truthfully Speaking<------------VERY far from classic
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
The Documentary
Ok, its narrowed down to ONE classic from Aftermath. I'll give you a possible 2 if you count the unreleased King T album. Its beyond reason that anyone could possibly consider ANY Eminem album a classic. I'm still waiting for him to put out a decent album. Yea the chicka chicka slim shady song was goofy and catchy and had a pretty good flow to it, but the album is garbage. Get Rich or Die Tryin? Classic? Get the fuck outta here. Documentary? You cant possibly be serious. Theres a couple good songs on that record at best.
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Both have great music up their sleaves and both have some dissapointments. Right now, Death Row probably has the upper hand... but perception may change with DETOX, Joell, Bishop and whatever else has potential there.
Notible Records:
Death Row:
The Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder Was The Case Soundtrack
Dogg Food
All Eyez on Me
Add:
Makaveli
Above The Rim Soundtrack
Danny Boy - Slip n Slide <------ok thats a reach on my part but its a very solid record that I still play to this day.
Aftermath:
The Slim Shady LP
Chronic 2001
The Marshall Mathers LP
Truthfully Speaking<------------VERY far from classic
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
The Documentary
Ok, its narrowed down to ONE classic from Aftermath. I'll give you a possible 2 if you count the unreleased King T album. Its beyond reason that anyone could possibly consider ANY Eminem album a classic. I'm still waiting for him to put out a decent album. Yea the chicka chicka slim shady song was goofy and catchy and had a pretty good flow to it, but the album is garbage. Get Rich or Die Tryin? Classic? Get the fuck outta here. Documentary? You cant possibly be serious. Theres a couple good songs on that record at best.
also add daz's RRGB that cd was dope as fuck also the dogg father although a few people don't like i have no idea why. And all of Eminem stuff is fucking garbage
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Death row by little!!!
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If we're talking about LEGACY then this isnt even close....legacy is about your mark on history, not how many album sales you had, or how long you were on top. Chronic, Doggystyle, AEOM, 7 Day, Tupac, Snoop, Dre, Suge...thats it right there, its not even close. Now if you want to talk about whose "success" is greater, thats different.
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Definitely Death Row. How many posts do we get saying that we miss the DR days.
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Death Row had a much bigger impact on hiphop than Aftermath will ever have.