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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on September 23, 2007, 01:34:25 PM
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...cuz you dunno the half of what's been going on with him and the front office since Jerry West's departure. Please read "Madmen's Ball", by Mark Heisler...PeACe
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Yes it is aimed at Kobe.
I'm done with him. He's dead to me, after this last stunt he pulled. With everything else he's done, I said nothing. I would defend him when people would hate. After all he's a Laker, he represents the Lakers right?
How are you going to feel when Kobe holds out and doesn't show up for training camp? How are you going to feel when he sits out the season? I don't put it past him. Just look at his past behavior.
I don't think it's a coincidence that he signed on the dotted line 24 hours after Shaq was traded. He could have gone to the Clippers with Elton Brand. He could have gone to the Bulls. He chose this situation. With Shaq gone, how do you expect to be a 60 win team? The fact is you don't. The Lakers began rebuilding the day Shaq was traded and if he claims he wasn't aware of that, he's either the dumbest man on the planet or he's lying. I choose the latter. Everyone on the planet knew we were rebuilding and he claims he didn't know that. Bullshit.
The front office has screwed up with certain moves, no doubt. I'm no fan of Jim Buss. But the way Kobe went about things killed any leverage the Lakers had to make any moves. He has yet to rescind his trade request. He threw his teammates under the bus. He has not said that he would show up to training camp, so how will you feel when he doesn't show up?
Yes, I'm done with that immature attention whore drama queen.
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Yes it is aimed at Kobe.
I'm done with him. He's dead to me, after this last stunt he pulled. With everything else he's done, I said nothing. I would defend him when people would hate. After all he's a Laker, he represents the Lakers right?
How are you going to feel when Kobe holds out and doesn't show up for training camp? How are you going to feel when he sits out the season? I don't put it past him. Just look at his past behavior.
I don't think it's a coincidence that he signed on the dotted line 24 hours after Shaq was traded. He could have gone to the Clippers with Elton Brand. He could have gone to the Bulls. He chose this situation. With Shaq gone, how do you expect to be a 60 win team? The fact is you don't. The Lakers began rebuilding the day Shaq was traded and if he claims he wasn't aware of that, he's either the dumbest man on the planet or he's lying. I choose the latter. Everyone on the planet knew we were rebuilding and he claims he didn't know that. Bullshit.
The front office has screwed up with certain moves, no doubt. I'm no fan of Jim Buss. But the way Kobe went about things killed any leverage the Lakers had to make any moves. He has yet to rescind his trade request. He threw his teammates under the bus. He has not said that he would show up to training camp, so how will you feel when he doesn't show up?
Yes, I'm done with that immature attention whore drama queen.
i said this a while ago +1
welcome to the "laker fan" fan club, don't worry man our day will come again.
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Yes it is aimed at Kobe.
I'm done with him. He's dead to me, after this last stunt he pulled. With everything else he's done, I said nothing. I would defend him when people would hate. After all he's a Laker, he represents the Lakers right?
How are you going to feel when Kobe holds out and doesn't show up for training camp? How are you going to feel when he sits out the season? I don't put it past him. Just look at his past behavior.
I don't think it's a coincidence that he signed on the dotted line 24 hours after Shaq was traded. He could have gone to the Clippers with Elton Brand. He could have gone to the Bulls. He chose this situation. With Shaq gone, how do you expect to be a 60 win team? The fact is you don't. The Lakers began rebuilding the day Shaq was traded and if he claims he wasn't aware of that, he's either the dumbest man on the planet or he's lying. I choose the latter. Everyone on the planet knew we were rebuilding and he claims he didn't know that. Bullshit.
The front office has screwed up with certain moves, no doubt. I'm no fan of Jim Buss. But the way Kobe went about things killed any leverage the Lakers had to make any moves. He has yet to rescind his trade request. He threw his teammates under the bus. He has not said that he would show up to training camp, so how will you feel when he doesn't show up?
Yes, I'm done with that immature attention whore drama queen.
i said this a while ago +1
welcome to the "laker fan" fan club, don't worry man our day will come again.
No doubt man, our day will come again. We've been through this before. I remember the frustration of the 90's, I remember the frustration of the 84 finals. The Lakers will shine once again.
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my first order of business if i had the franchise.....fire mitch cup-check.
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This is BEYOND ridiculous...You have no idea what's going on with the Laker front office and how they're running things. Phil Jackson has sided with Kobe, Jerry West has sided with Kobe...EVEN MITCH & BUSS THEMSELVES HAVE SIDED WITH KOBE. some of the claims you make are ignorant and quite sad, really. Especially coming from a Laker fan. Kobe LOVES the Lakers, he just can't stand being isolated and not part of the equation when moves are being made, especially moves he and Phil highly disapprove of going on behind his back. IT'S NOT BRIAN COOK, ITS KOBE. THE GUY WANTS TO WIN, AND HE WANTS TO DO IT IN A P&G UNIFORM. Otherwise, there never woulda been an outrage... everyone knew we were rebuilding? ahahaha What the hell? I, myself, was under the impression that we were doing whatever it takes to win now...Quite pathetic, the way you think, really. But I guarantee that you would think differently had you read "Madmen's Ball" and realized the type of behaviour our owner and front office implicate on the organization, only then would you understand kobe's frustrations...
PS. LMAO@Kobe not showing up to camp/games and competing. do you know the man? :grumpy:
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LOL...Jake, aren't you the one who sided with Kobe, considering Shaq proclaimed Kobe is going through the same thing he did in '04? Then you calimed that you "feel for Kobe"...
Buss is a gambling mad man. Shaq was a lazy baby. Kobe is grown and only wants the best. It never was a good combination to begin with...But what Kobe did will push this organization forward, put some fire under that ass, and I gurantee that...
Magic has done it before. Jordan has done it before..LOTS of greats have willed their front offices to greatness through media and madness...
Sure, Kobe's emotions got the best of him, but everything he said was 100% right...What kind of inside insight on the situation are you going based off? Please tell me, I'd like to know, Juronimo...PeACe
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What the fuck are you talking about? Luke Walton said that Kobe told him that if he doesn't get the trade he requested then he would still go to training camp and play hard as always this season.
All Lakers fans have a reason to be pissed but Kobe doesn't? Lol. Shiet he's 10x more pissed than we are. As much as we want Mitch Kupcake fired - he REALLY wantes him fired. As much as we wanted KG - Kobe REALLY wanted KG.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Luke Walton said that Kobe told him that if he doesn't get the trade he requested then he would still go to training camp and play hard as always this season.
All Lakers fans have a reason to be pissed but Kobe doesn't? Lol. Shiet he's 10x more pissed than we are. As much as we want Mitch Kupcake fired - he REALLY wantes him fired. As much as we wanted KG - Kobe REALLY wanted KG.
Thank you...Amazing how some people flip the script with so much ignorant negativity. If people think Kobe doesn't love P&G tradition, they're insane...But like he's said, one thing he will not sacrifice is his chance to win in his prime, cuz winning is what the man is about...and he's just about done everything he can to get the Lakers there. Fans who think like Juronimo, not to say they're "Laker fans" like Jake self-proclaimed, but they can be upsetting almost as much...PeACe
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Nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to be mad, just that the way he chose to handled the situation was bitchmade.
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Nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to be mad, just that the way he chose to handled the situation was bitchmade.
Well, for your info, he tried every other way first...I do see how his emotions got the best of him, but that's not even close to erasing everything he has put on the fucking line for this franchise...PeACe
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fuck a crybaby.
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fuck someone who accepts losing.
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fuck someone who cries like a bitch when they're not winning.
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fuck you
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:boohoo: :scarface:
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Kobe has bitch made tendancies simple and plain. That doesn't mean he's not an incredible bball player, it just means that he deals w/ emotions like a bitch sometimes.
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
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Nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to be mad, just that the way he chose to handled the situation was bitchmade.
The way he went about it killed any kind of leverage the Lakers could have had for making a trade. Paul Pierce didn't whine all over the media. KG didn't whine all over the media. They handled their situations a million times better.
While KG was stuck with horrible team after horrible team, Kobe got to win 3 rings as a Laker. The whole time Kobe has been on the Lakers, we only missed the playoffs once in the '04-'05 season. How many times did KG miss the playoffs? Big difference.
The Lakers did everything they could to placate Kobe. Remember all that loyalty they showed him during the rape trial? They damn near begged him to reup when Kobe opted out and Buss pretty much said he wasn't going to resign Shaq, hoping that Kobe would sign with the Lakers. They even took a step further and traded him.
Kobe signed 24 hours after Shaq was traded! 24 hours!!!
Come on man.
Kobe signed up for this. He wanted to have his own team and he got it. He could have gotten to the Clippers, who already had an establshed superstar but Kobe chose the Lakers. When I hear him whining, I'm just not feeling it.
No one is excusing the front office. I'm frustrated with them as is anyone. The way Kobe handled it just shows me that he is out for self and has no loyalty to the Lakers whatsoever. He also proved all the haters right.
And NIK, if you honestly thought that the Lakers were going to contend for a ring after trading Shaq, you must really had been delusional.
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
What does that have to do with anything I said? Kobe was PROMISED that they would build a contender around him. Then they traded away his veteran help (Payton, Fisher) and went on to pass on trades that could've landed us Baron Davis, Carlos Boozer, Ron Artest, and Jason Kidd. Then This summer after Kobe made his boldest statement ever (at the time): do something and do it now - they take another vacation. So now we're coming back with the same team + Derek Fisher, another rookie, and a pissed of star player & coach.
But yeah, thats Kobe's fault cuz he "snitched on Shaq".
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fuck someone who cries like a bitch when they're not winning.
fuck someone who is perfectly fine with wiping his tears with 20 million dollar checks.
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Kobe has bitch made tendancies simple and plain. That doesn't mean he's not an incredible bball player, it just means that he deals w/ emotions like a bitch sometimes.
The point is, he did what many greats have already done, so if you do think he's bitch-made, this isn't what made him bitch-made.....this is what made the Lakers a 50+ team in April...PeACe
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Nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to be mad, just that the way he chose to handled the situation was bitchmade.
The way he went about it killed any kind of leverage the Lakers could have had for making a trade. Paul Pierce didn't whine all over the media. KG didn't whine all over the media. They handled their situations a million times better.
While KG was stuck with horrible team after horrible team, Kobe got to win 3 rings as a Laker. The whole time Kobe has been on the Lakers, we only missed the playoffs once in the '04-'05 season. How many times did KG miss the playoffs? Big difference.
The Lakers did everything they could to placate Kobe. Remember all that loyalty they showed him during the rape trial? They damn near begged him to reup when Kobe opted out and Buss pretty much said he wasn't going to resign Shaq, hoping that Kobe would sign with the Lakers. They even took a step further and traded him.
Kobe signed 24 hours after Shaq was traded! 24 hours!!!
Come on man.
Kobe signed up for this. He wanted to have his own team and he got it. He could have gotten to the Clippers, who already had an establshed superstar but Kobe chose the Lakers. When I hear him whining, I'm just not feeling it.
No one is excusing the front office. I'm frustrated with them as is anyone. The way Kobe handled it just shows me that he is out for self and has no loyalty to the Lakers whatsoever. He also proved all the haters right.
And NIK, if you honestly thought that the Lakers were going to contend for a ring after trading Shaq, you must really had been delusional.
First of all, he didn't kill ANY leverage, nobody wants most of our players anyways...all it did was make Buss and Kupchak actually pursue changes this off-season, which was the intent. Of course, they failed, but to put the blame on Kobe is just about the most retarded thing I've heard. Paul Pierce is not Kobe. LMAO. He has no right to complain like Kobe did...That statement alone tells me you're speaking off of pure ignorance. McHale woulda never traded KG to the Lakers. ANY true Laker fan knows this. He did the same thing in '98, when the Lakers wanted to trade EDDIE JONES and ELDEN CAMPBELL for Tom Gugliota in a sign-and-trade...But McHale could never see himself helping the Lakers, so he let Tom Gugliota walk to Ainge and the Suns for NOTHING. The bond between Ainge and McHale is what made the KG trade go down...Any doofus knows that. If you think Lakers have been doing everything for Kobe, then you're NUTS. Absolutely. Not only does the best player on our planet not get "franchise player" luxuries, but the franchise isolates him all together. Come on, now. You haven't read ANY Laker books. LOL. (I know, that sounds funny, but it's real)...The problem with Shaq was on some complete other shit, and any blame put towards Kobe is absurd. Kobe re-signed with the Lakers after a meeting in which he was promised a contender built around him. We had Payton-Kobe-Butler-Odom-Vlade (before he was injured) at that point and we hired a high profile coach in Rudy-T, how the hell is anyone delusional for believing that could contend? COME ON, NOW...Kobe was fucked. By OUR organization. No way around it. Buss is a mad-man. I like him, but he's insane. Kobe didn't want a team for himself, he wanted to WIN IN PEACE. If you read a little more on our team, I think you'd agree. The way Kobe handled it was a last resort, because believe it or not, he DOES wanna stay on the Lakers, otherwise there NEVER woulda been a public outburst which caused a sense of urgency. He just woulda went straight to Buss with a request, and it woulda been legit. But unlike you claim, Kobe loves the P&G legacy, and sees himself retiring as a Laker. Since the day he stepped foot in the league, he said he would only skip Duke if he can play for the Lakers...AND THEN he accepted the fact that Del Harris was holding his progress back drastically to play on the Lakers. Why? Because he believed in the Lakers and he knew his day would come...Dude is wise beyond his years...And for you to ignorantly blast him like that is just wrong on your behalf. I genuinely think you would have a different mind-state had you known the facts...PeACe
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
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you guys need to listen to NIK more, he knows what he is talking about.
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What's the purpose of blaming Kobe ? Yeah dude can be a bitch sometimes but he only cares about winning and as a Lakers fan that's all I care about ... he called the FO out and he's right ... as much as I love this team , people in charge of the decisions are joke... Aren't y'all fed up with the mediocrity we're stucked in for 3 years ? Lakers B-Ball is about winning , at least doing the best the organization can in order to win .. unfortunately it's obviously not the case during these 3 latest years ... thing is the FO didn't handle the Shaq well at all .. we had to trade him , I have no pb with it but we should have taken our time and pulled the trigger for better players ... at this point mistakes have been made (not firing Vlade , giving Kwame his 3rd years , missing some big name trades ...) and we have lil leverage with this roster when it comes to players trade values .. only Lamar and Andrew are tradable , as Nik said , nobody wants our players (well I understand) .... and we should blame Kobe for all this ? Yeah the guy who is the only reason why we don't look like the Atlanta Hawks now ... yeah just trade him , fire Phil because they "disrespect"( spoke their mind about this BS FO) .... and le'ts play the lottery for the upcoming ten years ::)... the worst thing with this FO pleased with this mediocrity( BUT Making a lot of money with Kobe superstar status) is that some fans are "blind" and are happy to just make the playoffs every year
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You know what else is funny? I believe Juronimo is one of the people who was down with Shaq, even after he turned his back on us for money...But when Kobe speaks out on his will to WIN and our organization holding him back from that, he's "out for himself" and has "no loyalty"...Despite the fact that dude could EASILY be traded if it's what he truly wants (LOL if you believe otherwise). The trade request was undeniably a cry for management to get help... a cry that many of you Laker fans have been sobbing in for years now...he said it himself, "I love the Laker legacy and want to retire here more than anything". Shaq was never even close to that, he was always about building his own resume...So shut up and thank the man who does everything for our team with nothing in return. Almost like the exact opposite of what your beloved Shaq was doing during his last few years here...PeACe
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you guys need to listen to NIK more, he knows what he is talking about.
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^^What am I wrong about then? At least disprove what I'm saying if you're gunna talk shit...
Much respect to Spice. Dude knows what's up...PeACe
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
What does that have to do with anything I said? Kobe was PROMISED that they would build a contender around him. Then they traded away his veteran help (Payton, Fisher) and went on to pass on trades that could've landed us Baron Davis, Carlos Boozer, Ron Artest, and Jason Kidd. Then This summer after Kobe made his boldest statement ever (at the time): do something and do it now - they take another vacation. So now we're coming back with the same team + Derek Fisher, another rookie, and a pissed of star player & coach.
But yeah, thats Kobe's fault cuz he "snitched on Shaq".
You asked why I said he's a bitch and I told you. The fuck else do you want?
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
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at this point mistakes have been made (not firing Vlade , giving Kwame his 3rd years , missing some big name trades ...)
Why, why, why? :stupid: :grumpy:
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yea I agree with Juronimo, Kobe is officially a lame
I'll only root for him now for the sake of the Lakers cuz they're the team I like
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
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damn Kobe aint gettin no love on dubcc lol
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damn Kobe aint gettin no love on dubcc lol
It's all good...It's all based off of ignorance. Read my megapost.
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Ignorance huh? So what you're telling me is that he didn't really ask to be traded, then change his mind, then go on the radio crying asking to be traded again? I don't give a fuck what the reasons are, that was bitch made.
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so every player has been "bitch" made ... Magic has been , Jordan has been ... at the end of the day they brought titles and that's all matters to me ... he didn't say "FUCK THE LAKERS AND THE FANS he said FUCK THE FRONT OFFICE and I think the same .. at the end of the day yep dude surely has a big ego and all that and he can be a bitch .. I don't know and I don't fucking care ..... the only thing I care is you give 100% when you are on the B-Ball with a Lakers Jersey and you can't deny his work ethic ... if he intentionnally plays weak or shit like that , I'd say "FUCK HIM" .. but as of now it's not the case
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I never said he's not a great player or doesn't give it 100 percent. I said he was acting bitch made, which he was. And by saying he wants to be traded he was basically saying "Fuck the fans".
I call it how I see it. And yeah Magic and Jordan acted bitch made.
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the real question is : Would you have prefered Magic to not "talking shit" about the coach than speaking mind who actually helped to lead to many rings ...
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the real question is : Would you have prefered Magic to not "talking shit" about the coach than speaking mind who actually helped to lead to many rings ...
I would prefer Magic not asking for a trade. Be a man, honor your contract and don't air out your dirty laundry to the media.
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Ignorance huh? So what you're telling me is that he didn't really ask to be traded, then change his mind, then go on the radio crying asking to be traded again? I don't give a fuck what the reasons are, that was bitch made.
Sometimes it takes extreme measures to get everyone to that next level, bro...Many greats have done this in the past, including THEE greatest of the greats.
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Ignorance huh? So what you're telling me is that he didn't really ask to be traded, then change his mind, then go on the radio crying asking to be traded again? I don't give a fuck what the reasons are, that was bitch made.
Sometimes it takes extreme measures to get everyone to that next level, bro...Many greats have done this in the past, including THEE greatest of the greats.
And those measures were bitch made. That's all I'm saying.
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I never said he's not a great player or doesn't give it 100 percent. I said he was acting bitch made, which he was. And by saying he wants to be traded he was basically saying "Fuck the fans".
I call it how I see it. And yeah Magic and Jordan acted bitch made.
Well, their "bitch-made" tendencies catapulted them to more titles...If only everyone was "bitch-made" (did whatever it took to win).
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the real question is : Would you have prefered Magic to not "talking shit" about the coach than speaking mind who actually helped to lead to many rings ...
I would prefer Magic not asking for a trade. Be a man, honor your contract and don't air out your dirty laundry to the media.
So you prefer no 80's Laker dynasty...LOL.
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the real question is : Would you have prefered Magic to not "talking shit" about the coach than speaking mind who actually helped to lead to many rings ...
I would prefer Magic not asking for a trade. Be a man, honor your contract and don't air out your dirty laundry to the media.
So you prefer no 80's Laker dynasty...LOL.
When did I say that?
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There would be no 80's dynasty had Magic not done what he did...It's the sole reason Pat Riley was named our head coach.
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
Yeah, fuck the cops in that situation for leaking it or whatever. Regardless, Shaq had shit to do with Kobe's situation. Even if 99% of people do it, I'd fuck someone up in that situation if they put me on blast like that. And Kobe tryin to justify it saying that everybody does it, why does he call out Shaq's name? He was just trying to deflect attention away from himself...What about Shaq's family? It was a bitch move straight up and down.
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There would be no 80's dynasty had Magic not done what he did...It's the sole reason Pat Riley was named our head coach.
Nobody knows that for sure.
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
Yeah, fuck the cops in that situation for leaking it or whatever. Regardless, Shaq had shit to do with Kobe's situation. Even if 99% of people do it, I'd fuck someone up in that situation if they put me on blast like that. And Kobe tryin to justify it saying that everybody does it, why does he call out Shaq's name? He was just trying to deflect attention away from himself...What about Shaq's family? It was a bitch move straight up and down.
He was tryna deflect attention away from the cop? How does that make sense. The cop already knew he fucked the bitch...He just used Shaq as an example (since everyone knows), not knowing the cop would leak out the whole interrogation to the media...It's a burnt situation, yes, but it doesn't make a person a "bitch", not under the circumstances he was in, at least...PeACe
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There would be no 80's dynasty had Magic not done what he did...It's the sole reason Pat Riley was named our head coach.
Nobody knows that for sure.
I highly doubt the Showtime Lakers woulda been the same without Pat Riley...
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
Yeah, fuck the cops in that situation for leaking it or whatever. Regardless, Shaq had shit to do with Kobe's situation. Even if 99% of people do it, I'd fuck someone up in that situation if they put me on blast like that. And Kobe tryin to justify it saying that everybody does it, why does he call out Shaq's name? He was just trying to deflect attention away from himself...What about Shaq's family? It was a bitch move straight up and down.
He was tryna deflect attention away from the cop? How does that make sense. The cop already knew he fucked the bitch...He just used Shaq as an example (since everyone knows), not knowing the cop would leak out the whole interrogation to the media...It's a burnt situation, yes, but it doesn't make a person a "bitch", not under the circumstances he was in, at least...PeACe
Explain to me how Shaq had ANYTHING to do with Kobe's trial. He had nothing to do with it. And you keep saying "everyone knows", well I didn't know and neither did millions of other people. Maybe you're connected to bballers personal lives, but most people aren't. Kobe is bitch for that. And that IS snitchin - whether it be to a cop or to Shaq's wifey. You don't think that shit caused turmoil in Shaq's personal life and family? Kobe's a bitch for that.
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NIK, this is a response to your post earlier. My responses are bolded.
First of all, he didn't kill ANY leverage,
Demanding a trade definitely kills leverage. Remember 2004? I don't know how you can say it doesn't. If it happens behind closed doors, then no, but since he went attention whoring those few days, it definitely hurt any chance the Lakers had to get a trade accomplished without getting royally screwed.
nobody wants most of our players anyways...all it did was make Buss and Kupchak actually pursue changes this off-season, which was the intent. Of course, they failed, but to put the blame on Kobe is just about the most retarded thing I've heard.
I put the blame on Kobe for his behavior, and the pattern of behavior that has been clearly established with his most recent outburst, which has the hurt the team's chances, the same team I've been rooting for since the Lakers Celtics rivalry.
Paul Pierce is not Kobe. LMAO. He has no right to complain like Kobe did...
Yes he does, he's the franchise player of his team, but I know that Kobe fans hate any other player that plays SF/SG. Also, PP only made the playoffs once or twice, while Kobe has only missed the playoffs once and won 3 rings. PP has 10 times more reason to complain than Kobe.
That statement alone tells me you're speaking off of pure ignorance.
How? For establishing a pattern of behavior? Behavior that has hurt the Lakers?
McHale woulda never traded KG to the Lakers. ANY true Laker fan knows this. He did the same thing in '98, when the Lakers wanted to trade EDDIE JONES and ELDEN CAMPBELL for Tom Gugliota in a sign-and-trade...But McHale could never see himself helping the Lakers, so he let Tom Gugliota walk to Ainge and the Suns for NOTHING. The bond between Ainge and McHale is what made the KG trade go down...Any doofus knows that.
I know that, I never expected a KG trade that had 0.1% chance of happening, which is another reason why I was irritated by Kobe's irrational display. I and anyone with more than one brain cell knew KG was not going to be a Laker.
If you think Lakers have been doing everything for Kobe, then you're NUTS. Absolutely.
It's the FO's responsiblity to put a winning team on the court. I'm not defending the poor decisions the FO ahs made, but it's not their duty to kiss Kobe's ass and placate his desperate need for attention and his massive ego.
Not only does the best player on our planet not get "franchise player" luxuries, but the franchise isolates him all together.
Which is why Jerry Buss met with Kobe in Europe while on vacation, that's why the Lakers flew him back and forth to Colorado on thier charter, that's why they provided security for Kobe for free, that's why they gave Kobe his own team, I say he's gotten luxuries that no other franchise player in history has gotten.
Come on, now. You haven't read ANY Laker books. LOL. (I know, that sounds funny, but it's real)...
I actually have that Monster's Ball book
The problem with Shaq was on some complete other shit, and any blame put towards Kobe is absurd.
They were both out of pocket. Just because I don't like what Kobe has done does not mean I approve of the way Shaq handled things.
Kobe re-signed with the Lakers after a meeting in which he was promised a contender built around him. We had Payton-Kobe-Butler-Odom-Vlade (before he was injured) at that point and we hired a high profile coach in Rudy-T, how the hell is anyone delusional for believing that could contend?
You have to be kidding me. Let me ask you a question, if the Spurs traded Duncan for let's say, Rashard Lewis, do you expect them to content? You don't trade the most dominant force in the league and expect to waltz to the finals. If Kobe believed that, that is his own fault. As fans, we hope for the best, but come on.
COME ON, NOW...Kobe was fucked. By OUR organization. No way around it.
Your own team, finally being the "man", $20 million/year contract, no more Shaq, damn, I wish I could get "fucked" like that by the people I work for.
Buss is a mad-man. I like him, but he's insane.
I never denied that the FO hasn't handled things properly and made bad decisions. I agree that Jim Buss has no business making any kind of decisions. I am as frustrated with the decisions of the FO as anyone. All Kobe did was throw a nuclear bomb into the fire, making things a million times worse.
Kobe didn't want a team for himself, he wanted to WIN IN PEACE. If you read a little more on our team, I think you'd agree. The way Kobe handled it was a last resort, because believe it or not, he DOES wanna stay on the Lakers, otherwise there NEVER woulda been a public outburst which caused a sense of urgency.
Kobe has yet to retract his trade request. That sounds like someone who wants to play for the Lakers. I'm sure Kobe really wanted to play for the Lakers when he was entertaining all of those other free agent offers.
He just woulda went straight to Buss with a request, and it woulda been legit. But unlike you claim, Kobe loves the P&G legacy, and sees himself retiring as a Laker.
Actions speak louder than words, and his actions say that he doesn't want to be a player. By saying "trade me to Pluto", that really sounds like a person that wants to retire as a Laker.
Since the day he stepped foot in the league, he said he would only skip Duke if he can play for the Lakers...AND THEN he accepted the fact that Del Harris was holding his progress back drastically to play on the Lakers. Why?
That was then, this is now, also he wasn't ready for big minutes at 18.
Because he believed in the Lakers and he knew his day would come...Dude is wise beyond his years...And for you to ignorantly blast him like that is just wrong on your behalf. I genuinely think you would have a different mind-state had you known the facts...PeACe
NIK, you have blasted Shaq for dissin the Lakers after his trade. Kobe has done the same thing WHILE HE IS TECHINICALLY STILL A LAKER!!! Why does he get a free pass? Why is he above criticism?
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
Yeah, fuck the cops in that situation for leaking it or whatever. Regardless, Shaq had shit to do with Kobe's situation. Even if 99% of people do it, I'd fuck someone up in that situation if they put me on blast like that. And Kobe tryin to justify it saying that everybody does it, why does he call out Shaq's name? He was just trying to deflect attention away from himself...What about Shaq's family? It was a bitch move straight up and down.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE.
He was tryna deflect attention away from the cop? How does that make sense. The cop already knew he fucked the bitch...He just used Shaq as an example (since everyone knows), not knowing the cop would leak out the whole interrogation to the media...It's a burnt situation, yes, but it doesn't make a person a "bitch", not under the circumstances he was in, at least...PeACe
Explain to me how Shaq had ANYTHING to do with Kobe's trial. He had nothing to do with it. And you keep saying "everyone knows", well I didn't know and neither did millions of other people. Maybe you're connected to bballers personal lives, but most people aren't. Kobe is bitch for that. And that IS snitchin - whether it be to a cop or to Shaq's wifey. You don't think that shit caused turmoil in Shaq's personal life and family? Kobe's a bitch for that.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE. Funny "arguments", though.
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First of all, he didn't kill ANY leverage,
Demanding a trade definitely kills leverage. Remember 2004? I don't know how you can say it doesn't. If it happens behind closed doors, then no, but since he went attention whoring those few days, it definitely hurt any chance the Lakers had to get a trade accomplished without getting royally screwed.
2004? When Shaq demanded a trade? What the hell are you going on about? If it happened behind closed doors, then it would be a legit request which woulda' been fulfilled, not a cry for help to retain the Laker legacy. What don't you get here? How was leverage killed and in what deals? Prove something...LOL. If anything, people would pursue negotiations with Kupchak in this situation, knowing he'd be anxious to trade away key players to please Kobe...But neither was the case. This had nothing to do with "leverage". The FO only began pursuing trades AMDITINGLY after Kobe spoke up.
I put the blame on Kobe for his behavior, and the pattern of behavior that has been clearly established with his most recent outburst, which has the hurt the team's chances, the same team I've been rooting for since the Lakers Celtics rivalry.
Pattern of behavior? What behavior? His strong will to win? Once again, read "Madmen's Ball", or at least my Laker Megapost.
Yes he does, he's the franchise player of his team, but I know that Kobe fans hate any other player that plays SF/SG. Also, PP only made the playoffs once or twice, while Kobe has only missed the playoffs once and won 3 rings. PP has 10 times more reason to complain than Kobe.
First of all, know what the hell you're saying. Paul Pierce DID request a trade, which led to the trade for Ray Allen and then KG. Second of all, stop being immature and generalizing Kobe fans as people who "hate any other players who play SF/SG". That's lame...I like Paul Pierce, I think he's an excellent player. That said, he's no Kobe, and has not put in nearly as much as Kobe has into his organization. Not even close. In fact, he couldn't even carry his team to the playoffs in the east....But that's not to say he's not great. again, though, he's no Kobe and he did request a trade. So this argument is flawed from both directions. Kobe knows what it's like to win, and he has a much higher drive than Pierce, so his desire to be at the top again will naturally be stronger, as well.
How? For establishing a pattern of behavior? Behavior that has hurt the Lakers?
Pattern of what? Read my mega-post...this is the first time Kobe broke down like this, and it's not a pattern. In fact, it's out-of-character for him.
I know that, I never expected a KG trade that had 0.1% chance of happening, which is another reason why I was irritated by Kobe's irrational display. I and anyone with more than one brain cell knew KG was not going to be a Laker.
LOL if you think this was about KG. It's about MUCH more than that...Pay attention.
It's the FO's responsiblity to put a winning team on the court. I'm not defending the poor decisions the FO ahs made, but it's not their duty to kiss Kobe's ass and placate his desperate need for attention and his massive ego.
It's not their duty to kiss his ass, but they sure as hell shouldn't isolate the guy who's been carrying them on his back...and LMAO@massive ego. the guy who protects Shaq...Read Byron Scott's quote in my Lakers Megapost, PLEASE.
Which is why Jerry Buss met with Kobe in Europe while on vacation, that's why the Lakers flew him back and forth to Colorado on thier charter, that's why they provided security for Kobe for free, that's why they gave Kobe his own team, I say he's gotten luxuries that no other franchise player in history has gotten.
LMAO...Kobe's gotten luxuries that no other player has gotten? COME ON, MAN. Think about Jordan. Think about Shaq...When Shaq was here, his primaddona ass got everything he wanted. He even declared himself the GM at one point. Kobe is a humble dude, he wants to win first and look good second. Who gives a shit if they got him jets, you can't buy off losing with money...
I actually have that Monster's Ball book
Monsters Ball? LOL...see what I mean.
They were both out of pocket. Just because I don't like what Kobe has done does not mean I approve of the way Shaq handled things.
Yet, you backed Shaq when he left, but hate on Kobe while he's still here? Good one.
You have to be kidding me. Let me ask you a question, if the Spurs traded Duncan for let's say, Rashard Lewis, do you expect them to content? You don't trade the most dominant force in the league and expect to waltz to the finals. If Kobe believed that, that is his own fault. As fans, we hope for the best, but come on.
I believed we coulda contended by now, and that was definitely not out of the question...This is Kobe in his prime we're talking about,
Your own team, finally being the "man", $20 million/year contract, no more Shaq, damn, I wish I could get "fucked" like that by the people I work for.
LOL@"no more Shaq". This is how I know you're brain-washing yourself... never once did Kobe request "no more Shaq", something Shaq did about Kobe everytime he got his monthly period. Kobe has a team, but he has no say in the team, like past superstars of his caliber have...The FO had chances to bring some guys that Phil and Kobe begged for, but declined without asking the opinion of either. Understand the issue before you attempt to judge.
I never denied that the FO hasn't handled things properly and made bad decisions. I agree that Jim Buss has no business making any kind of decisions. I am as frustrated with the decisions of the FO as anyone. All Kobe did was throw a nuclear bomb into the fire, making things a million times worse.
Can't see how things got "a million times worse"...that sounds funny though. If things are "a million times worse", we're doomed. We'll see when the season starts though. ;)
Kobe has yet to retract his trade request.
Very, very wrong. More ignorance on the situation.
Actions speak louder than words, and his actions say that he doesn't want to be a player. By saying "trade me to Pluto", that really sounds like a person that wants to retire as a Laker.
He never said "trade me to pluto"...he said "i'd play on pluto at this point"...his main emphasis was on his desire to win, and his main goal was always to win as a Laker and he reitterated that over and over.
That was then, this is now, also he wasn't ready for big minutes at 18.
Everyone knows Del Harris slowed Kobe's progress...Kobe was okay with it, cuz he always knew he'd come along. One of the reasons Harris was fired was for stunting Kobe's growth.
NIK, you have blasted Shaq for dissin the Lakers after his trade. Kobe has done the same thing WHILE HE IS TECHINICALLY STILL A LAKER!!! Why does he get a free pass? Why is he above criticism?
Kobe didn't diss the Lakers, he dissed management and was isolated/lied to by management. Shaq's situation was COMPLETELY different. It was over $$money$$, not over WINNING... and Shaq dissed the city of LA as well, while Kobe embraces us as one of the reasons he's still here...It's amazing you can't see the difference. Seriously, though, homie...Check out some of them books...PeACe
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Do you honestly think Kobe's bitching this summer will bring the next Laker dynatsy? When that happens then you can say what Kobe need was good. But the best I saw this season as a result of this was the signing of Fisher. A real difference maker. ::) Not to mention he pretty much just shitted on his team mates. Despite what they might tell you in interviews, that can be taken as a real insult by players.
There would be no 80's dynasty had Magic not done what he did...It's the sole reason Pat Riley was named our head coach.
Hiring a good coach (which the Lakers already have), not nearly as hard as trading for better talent.
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Do you honestly think Kobe's bitching this summer will bring the next Laker dynatsy? When that happens then you can say what Kobe need was good. But the best I saw this season as a result of this was the signing of Fisher. A real difference maker. ::) Not to mention he pretty much just shitted on his team mates. Despite what they might tell you in interviews, that can be taken as a real insult by players.
There would be no 80's dynasty had Magic not done what he did...It's the sole reason Pat Riley was named our head coach.
Hiring a good coach (which the Lakers already have), not nearly as hard as trading for better talent.
What the hell are you even talking about? Have you seen the greatest players to play the game in action? They all busted their teammates asses regularly, and Jordan did it excessively. What Kobe did will only add extra motivation to our players to concentrate more of their efforts on the game of basketball, instead of "porn and video games", like Phil Jackson joked about...And Kobe never demanded a trade, he demanded a winner mentality. Look at the whole the picture...PeACe
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
Yeah, fuck the cops in that situation for leaking it or whatever. Regardless, Shaq had shit to do with Kobe's situation. Even if 99% of people do it, I'd fuck someone up in that situation if they put me on blast like that. And Kobe tryin to justify it saying that everybody does it, why does he call out Shaq's name? He was just trying to deflect attention away from himself...What about Shaq's family? It was a bitch move straight up and down.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE.
He was tryna deflect attention away from the cop? How does that make sense. The cop already knew he fucked the bitch...He just used Shaq as an example (since everyone knows), not knowing the cop would leak out the whole interrogation to the media...It's a burnt situation, yes, but it doesn't make a person a "bitch", not under the circumstances he was in, at least...PeACe
Explain to me how Shaq had ANYTHING to do with Kobe's trial. He had nothing to do with it. And you keep saying "everyone knows", well I didn't know and neither did millions of other people. Maybe you're connected to bballers personal lives, but most people aren't. Kobe is bitch for that. And that IS snitchin - whether it be to a cop or to Shaq's wifey. You don't think that shit caused turmoil in Shaq's personal life and family? Kobe's a bitch for that.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE. Funny "arguments", though.
No I didn't know, and honestly I could give a fuck less what somebody does in their personal lives that I have no connection with. I'm sure it's common knowledge to Laker groupies, but I don't fit that category and neither do most people. I do know that Shaq had nothing to do with Kobe's rape trial, and yet Kobe brought up the fact that he shoulda paid off his broads like Shaq does. Who gives a fuck if it was in private? Bottom line is is that Kobe made it public knowledge as soon as he ran his mouth about it. I guaran-fuckin-tee that if I don't want people to know some of my down low shit I DON'T SAY NOTHIN ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY TO A FUCKIN COP.
Nothing you can say can change the fact that Kobe is a bitch for doing that. Maybe it's acceptable in your world, but in mine I'd fuck somebody up if the EVER did that hatin ass bitch shit on me.
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
Yeah, fuck the cops in that situation for leaking it or whatever. Regardless, Shaq had shit to do with Kobe's situation. Even if 99% of people do it, I'd fuck someone up in that situation if they put me on blast like that. And Kobe tryin to justify it saying that everybody does it, why does he call out Shaq's name? He was just trying to deflect attention away from himself...What about Shaq's family? It was a bitch move straight up and down.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE.
He was tryna deflect attention away from the cop? How does that make sense. The cop already knew he fucked the bitch...He just used Shaq as an example (since everyone knows), not knowing the cop would leak out the whole interrogation to the media...It's a burnt situation, yes, but it doesn't make a person a "bitch", not under the circumstances he was in, at least...PeACe
Explain to me how Shaq had ANYTHING to do with Kobe's trial. He had nothing to do with it. And you keep saying "everyone knows", well I didn't know and neither did millions of other people. Maybe you're connected to bballers personal lives, but most people aren't. Kobe is bitch for that. And that IS snitchin - whether it be to a cop or to Shaq's wifey. You don't think that shit caused turmoil in Shaq's personal life and family? Kobe's a bitch for that.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE. Funny "arguments", though.
No I didn't know, and honestly I could give a fuck less what somebody does in their personal lives that I have no connection with. I'm sure it's common knowledge to Laker groupies, but I don't fit that category and neither do most people. I do know that Shaq had nothing to do with Kobe's rape trial, and yet Kobe brought up the fact that he shoulda paid off his broads like Shaq does. Who gives a fuck if it was in private? Bottom line is is that Kobe made it public knowledge as soon as he ran his mouth about it. I guaran-fuckin-tee that if I don't want people to know some of my down low shit I DON'T SAY NOTHIN ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY TO A FUCKIN COP.
Nothing you can say can change the fact that Kobe is a bitch for doing that. Maybe it's acceptable in your world, but in mine I'd fuck somebody up if the EVER did that hatin ass bitch shit on me.
If I was known for fucking bitches and paying them off to keep 'em happy, and one of my homies got in some major heat for "raping" some bitch and tried getting off while using my infamous situation as an example, I would definitely not get offended or butt-hurt over it...PeACe
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Hey NIK what do you think snitching is? Like what is your definition?
I and I'm sure many others can agree that if you tell the cops anything about another person, you're snitching. Like if you're buddy gets busted for slanging or something and when he gets arrested he tells the cops that "Elior (whatever your last name is) slangs weed, too, I guess I should've done what he does..." That's snitching. That's the same shit. Telling on someone to sway attention from yourself is snitching for real. That is a bitch move. Cuz like someone said, Shaq has a wife AND he has kids. So Kobe was saving his marriage, but he was attempting to fuck up Shaqs (even if it was in private, it was something that should've been kept private).
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^ How so? He just put up with 3 years of being the media's whipping boy, having to play alongside d-leaguers, having management look him in the eye and lie (not to mention purposely turning down possible trades), and having his prime years waisted on first round exits. I don't think you realize how detrimental winning is to his legacy right now. Its gonna look bad in 10 years when we look back at his 05-06 season and say "wait a minute...why didn't he win the MVP that season? oh wait - cuz his team sucked".
At this point, Kobe pretty much has the right to say whatever he feels. Although I don't know why he would, management took another offseason off.
Kobe straight up snitched on Shaq. Shaq had NOTHING to do w/ Kobe's case and Kobe started saying shit like "I guess I should have paid her off like Shaq does" or something to that effect. And then signing within 24 hours after Shaq leaves, and then the whole bitching about not being a contender after this is what he wanted all along (basically everything Juronimo said).
Uhhh, Kobe said he'd opt out from the get-go. He signed with the Lakers after a meeting with Buss and said he wouldn't mind playing alongside Shaq for his whole career...Now you're just copying what Juronimo's saying, be your own man. And Kobe "straight up" snitched on Shaq? LOL. Snitching involves getting someone in trouble...Kobe was being "privately" INTERROGATED by cops and asked "what if I had paid her off like Shaq sometimes does?". Dude was under mad heat, you think he was thinking about snitching or about getting out of the situation?...the shit was never supposed to leak, and even though I can see how it's fucked up, it's still not "snitching"...PeACe
Nothing you can say will change the fact that Kobe was being drug through the mud, so he started reaching for anything to distract attention away from himself. He brought Shaq into it when he had shit to do with his rape trial. If one of my people did that shit to me they'd get dealt with. And I would no longer associate myself with that person because they're a bitch.
There's this one cat I work with that's always caught up in some kind of drama, especially w/ the broads at work. I learned real quick after being around him to not divulge any info that I didn't want to get out because dude is a bitch straight up and down. The type of dude that will sell you out in a heartbeat as soon as they're backed into a corner. I don't respect ANYONE that does that shit.
The point is, it wasn't "info", the whole world knew about Shaq and all his bitches, did you even read the interrogation (which the bitch-made cops leaked)? Kobe was basically reiterating to the COP (not to any media outlet) that he shoulda' done what Shaq does...In fact, 99% of the basketball world does this. It's not snitching, he was tryna save his family and marriage with whatever it takes, that's all there is to it...PeACe
Yeah, fuck the cops in that situation for leaking it or whatever. Regardless, Shaq had shit to do with Kobe's situation. Even if 99% of people do it, I'd fuck someone up in that situation if they put me on blast like that. And Kobe tryin to justify it saying that everybody does it, why does he call out Shaq's name? He was just trying to deflect attention away from himself...What about Shaq's family? It was a bitch move straight up and down.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE.
He was tryna deflect attention away from the cop? How does that make sense. The cop already knew he fucked the bitch...He just used Shaq as an example (since everyone knows), not knowing the cop would leak out the whole interrogation to the media...It's a burnt situation, yes, but it doesn't make a person a "bitch", not under the circumstances he was in, at least...PeACe
Explain to me how Shaq had ANYTHING to do with Kobe's trial. He had nothing to do with it. And you keep saying "everyone knows", well I didn't know and neither did millions of other people. Maybe you're connected to bballers personal lives, but most people aren't. Kobe is bitch for that. And that IS snitchin - whether it be to a cop or to Shaq's wifey. You don't think that shit caused turmoil in Shaq's personal life and family? Kobe's a bitch for that.
LMAO@you "didn't know"...All you had to do was read some books to know, it was publicized EVERYWHERE. Kobe was using it as an example, in PRIVATE. Funny "arguments", though.
No I didn't know, and honestly I could give a fuck less what somebody does in their personal lives that I have no connection with. I'm sure it's common knowledge to Laker groupies, but I don't fit that category and neither do most people. I do know that Shaq had nothing to do with Kobe's rape trial, and yet Kobe brought up the fact that he shoulda paid off his broads like Shaq does. Who gives a fuck if it was in private? Bottom line is is that Kobe made it public knowledge as soon as he ran his mouth about it. I guaran-fuckin-tee that if I don't want people to know some of my down low shit I DON'T SAY NOTHIN ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY TO A FUCKIN COP.
Nothing you can say can change the fact that Kobe is a bitch for doing that. Maybe it's acceptable in your world, but in mine I'd fuck somebody up if the EVER did that hatin ass bitch shit on me.
If I was known for fucking bitches and paying them off to keep 'em happy, and one of my homies got in some major heat for "raping" some bitch and tried getting off while using my infamous situation as an example, I would definitely not get offended or butt-hurt over it...PeACe
That doesn't make sense. If it wouldn't offend you, why would you even pay off the broads in the first place? He paid them to keep it on the low.
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^wrong, he paid them to keep them happy and not burn shit, like the bitch in Colorodo did to Kobe...And either way, he paid them before the world found out about his common escapades.
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Hey NIK what do you think snitching is? Like what is your definition?
I and I'm sure many others can agree that if you tell the cops anything about another person, you're snitching. Like if you're buddy gets busted for slanging or something and when he gets arrested he tells the cops that "Elior (whatever your last name is) slangs weed, too, I guess I should've done what he does..." That's snitching. That's the same shit. Telling on someone to sway attention from yourself is snitching for real. That is a bitch move. Cuz like someone said, Shaq has a wife AND he has kids. So Kobe was saving his marriage, but he was attempting to fuck up Shaqs (even if it was in private, it was something that should've been kept private).
Snitching is telling on someone to (or that could) get them in some sort of trouble. Your example would qualify for that. But not what Kobe did. Also, once again, Kobe only said something which was already widely publicized and known.
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I don't know about widely publicized. I'm sure that some people knew about it, but not everyone reads Laker books. What Kobe said could've really burned Shaq. Lets say it didn't get put out there to the public, but lets just say the Cops decided to set up a sting operation on Shaq to catch him in the act. I mean, hell, you never know what Cops will want to do. Telling the Cops anything about anyone else is always a bad thing.
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I don't know about widely publicized. I'm sure that some people knew about it, but not everyone reads Laker books. What Kobe said could've really burned Shaq. Lets say it didn't get put out there to the public, but lets just say the Cops decided to set up a sting operation on Shaq to catch him in the act. I mean, hell, you never know what Cops will want to do. Telling the Cops anything about anyone else is always a bad thing.
A sting operation to catch Shaq fucking girls and keeping them happy? What the fuck are you on about? LOL. It was widely publicized. If you woulda' asked someone, ANYONE, who the biggest known mack in the NBA is, they woulda' said Shaq with no hesitation...That's why Shaq barely even took offense to it, he knew Kobe wasn't tryna get him in trouble, everyone and their momma already knew about Shaq's escapades...And the "sting operation" shit you said was completely outta touch, homie...LOL
Anywas...Was Kobe wrong? Yes. Did he make a mistake? Yes. Was it some unforgivable shit that determines he's a bitch, especially under the circumstances? HELL NO.
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Thats not out of touch if you really think about it. If Shaq is fucking bitches and paying them, he can get into big trouble. Imagine a cop getting that bust, it would be one of the biggest cases they would probably ever be apart of. Its not too far fetched to think that it could've been a possibility. But, for real, I never thought to ask anyone who the biggest mack in the NBA cuz I never really thought about it. Just the fact that he would even drop a name to the cops is not cool. Especially cuz the dude was a grown man and nobody else was involved in what he was doing. Its not like Shaq and him and tag teaming the bitch and only Kobe got blamed. He brought in Shaq's name out of nowhere. Thats weak in my eyes.
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who cares? only one of the two afformentioned dudes brought W's to the lakers.
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who cares? only one of the two afformentioned dudes brought W's to the lakers.
LMAO. :grumpy:
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Thats not out of touch if you really think about it. If Shaq is fucking bitches and paying them, he can get into big trouble. Imagine a cop getting that bust, it would be one of the biggest cases they would probably ever be apart of. Its not too far fetched to think that it could've been a possibility. But, for real, I never thought to ask anyone who the biggest mack in the NBA cuz I never really thought about it. Just the fact that he would even drop a name to the cops is not cool. Especially cuz the dude was a grown man and nobody else was involved in what he was doing. Its not like Shaq and him and tag teaming the bitch and only Kobe got blamed. He brought in Shaq's name out of nowhere. Thats weak in my eyes.
WOW...Shaq was NOT going to get into trouble. Almost EVERY NBA player does this, you think two cops who approached Kobe tryna get info on a Kobe rape accusation give a fuck? ahahaha...Like I said, Kobe did something wrong, but it's not major like what you're making it seem. What you did to your co-worker was 10X more fucked up...PeACe
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It is a big thing. And you never know what cops give a fuck about. Which is why you never talk. But don't get ridiculous now. Taking that guys phone was nowhere near as bad as snitching on someone to the cops. Using your way of thinking though: We all knew he was gay, so its not a big deal, nobody gave a fuck.
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It is a big thing. And you never know what cops give a fuck about. Which is why you never talk. But don't get ridiculous now. Taking that guys phone was nowhere near as bad as snitching on someone to the cops. Using your way of thinking though: We all knew he was gay, so its not a big deal, nobody gave a fuck.
AHAHAHA...Taking someones phone (not to mention, someone who's in the closet) and spreading personal pictures of theirs to all your co-workers is nowhere near as bad using something widely publicized as an example under heat? Great logic you got there. Talk about getting ridiculous.
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Here it goes again...
Kobe told the police something that they may NOT have known is SNITCHING. You say its widely publized, but I know a gang of Lakers Fans (hell, I live in Southern California, everyones a Laker fan damn near) and I never ONCE heard anyone say "Shaq pays off bitches for sex." Me taking a dudes phone and having ONE co-worker look at the pictures is nothing is compareable.
Now, if I would lets say get fired for having questionable pictures on my phone, then I start diming that dude out (I mean, hey, its widely publicized that the dude has xxx flicks on his phone), then I could see the comparsion. What I did was funny (quite frankly, I could've been a bitch and got him fired, but I don't care) and hurt no one (he has NO clue someone ever saw his flicks, he's still real cool with everyone). What Kobe did was shady and could've really ruined someones life because it was told to the Police, then made public. C'mon dogg, you're talking 2 different things here...
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Yes what Kobe did was a bitch move - no denying that. But what the fuck does that have to do with the topic?
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Yes what Kobe did was a bitch move - no denying that. But what the fuck does that have to do with the topic?
Probably nothing. But I just decided to discuss his Snitching Ways since that was being discussed.
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who cares? only one of the two afformentioned dudes brought W's to the lakers.
fuck outta here.
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Here it goes again...
Kobe told the police something that they may NOT have known is SNITCHING. You say its widely publized, but I know a gang of Lakers Fans (hell, I live in Southern California, everyones a Laker fan damn near) and I never ONCE heard anyone say "Shaq pays off bitches for sex." Me taking a dudes phone and having ONE co-worker look at the pictures is nothing is compareable.
Now, if I would lets say get fired for having questionable pictures on my phone, then I start diming that dude out (I mean, hey, its widely publicized that the dude has xxx flicks on his phone), then I could see the comparsion. What I did was funny (quite frankly, I could've been a bitch and got him fired, but I don't care) and hurt no one (he has NO clue someone ever saw his flicks, he's still real cool with everyone). What Kobe did was shady and could've really ruined someones life because it was told to the Police, then made public. C'mon dogg, you're talking 2 different things here...
Just because your ignorant friends didn't know something that was known world-wide, doesn't mean it was something new. He didn't inform the police of SHIT, informants are snitches. Kobe did something wrong under heat, he ASKED if he coulda' done the same thing and used Shaq as an example. His main point was "can I pay the bitch money?", not to inform the cops of Shaq's infamous escapades....And not knowing that Shaq paid his bitches off is like not knowing of Wilts playeresque days... Superhead fucking published it in her book even. Come on, now. Admit that what you did was more fucked up and affected the dude you did it to WAY more...You can at least man up and do that, can't you?...PeACe
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Why are they ignorant? Because they don't get involved in the life of Basketball players? Dogg, again, this wasn't something that was on CNN, Fox News etc. everyday. YOU may have known about it, but doesn't mean everyone did. He INFORMED the police that Shaq paid bitches. He could've asked about paying bitches, WITHOUT naming Shaq. THAT'S snitching. Blabbing when under scrutiny of the Police is SNITCHING. If I get arrested with someone, and when the cops start asking him about what happened, he mentions my name, that's what? Snitching. LMAO @ What did even affecting the dude. Again, NIK, he has NO CLUE. What affect could that have on him? He doesn't know that we seen it. LOL. Seriously dogg, you call everyone ignorant and stupid etc. but you can't seem to process the fact that what Kobe did to Shaq was extremely fucked and a huge bitch move.
Anytime you tell the cops anything that doesn't pertain to yourself, you're snitching. And if you're snitching, you're a bitch.
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^^ +1
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Why are they ignorant? Because they don't get involved in the life of Basketball players? Dogg, again, this wasn't something that was on CNN, Fox News etc. everyday. YOU may have known about it, but doesn't mean everyone did. He INFORMED the police that Shaq paid bitches. He could've asked about paying bitches, WITHOUT naming Shaq. THAT'S snitching. Blabbing when under scrutiny of the Police is SNITCHING. If I get arrested with someone, and when the cops start asking him about what happened, he mentions my name, that's what? Snitching. LMAO @ What did even affecting the dude. Again, NIK, he has NO CLUE. What affect could that have on him? He doesn't know that we seen it. LOL. Seriously dogg, you call everyone ignorant and stupid etc. but you can't seem to process the fact that what Kobe did to Shaq was extremely fucked and a huge bitch move.
Anytime you tell the cops anything that doesn't pertain to yourself, you're snitching. And if you're snitching, you're a bitch.
LMAO@thinking that dude didn't realize you looked at his private pics when you took his phone. You really think that didn't affect him? Seriously, now..be real. Again, snitching involves getting someone in trouble or attempting to get someone in trouble...You can hate Kobe all you want, but that's just a really dumb reason...PeACe
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NIK, I don't think. I know. The other gay dude in the store confronted homeboy about being gay. they talk on the regular. He literally thinks that nobody knows. He said that himself. So you're going on about something that you obviously don't know about. Seriously, now, be real. And dropping a name to the police to alleviate any type of heat from yourself is called what? SNITCHING!!! Sugar coat what Kobe did all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that most people think he's a snitch. And EVERYONE I know thinks a snitch is a bitch. I don't hate Kobe, I don't know him. I do dislike him since he snitched though. No respect for a dude like that.
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NIK you really sound like a homo after reading this thread. You might even be more bitch made than Kobe is.
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NIK, I don't think. I know. The other gay dude in the store confronted homeboy about being gay. they talk on the regular. He literally thinks that nobody knows. He said that himself. So you're going on about something that you obviously don't know about. Seriously, now, be real. And dropping a name to the police to alleviate any type of heat from yourself is called what? SNITCHING!!! Sugar coat what Kobe did all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that most people think he's a snitch. And EVERYONE I know thinks a snitch is a bitch. I don't hate Kobe, I don't know him. I do dislike him since he snitched though. No respect for a dude like that.
Kobe didn't say anything about Shaq to alleviate heat, what don't you get? He was using Shaq's famous escapades as an example for something he shoulda' done...like I said, it was wrong of him, but not nearly as serious as you and Kobe haters make it seem...Now, if you really think that a closet case who had all his personal pics sercetly exposed doesn't affect him, then you're insane. Even if he doesn't know about it, think about other ways it could affect him. That's a huge thing, bro. You even said, the guy was extremely low key about his shit, and now everyone knows 100%, because of you... and not only do they know, they found out in fashion. Think about the way it chages him as a person in peoples eyes....please don't tell me you really believe that it has no affect on dude, because that would just be dumb...I have less respect for what you did than for what you consider "snitching". But I still would never hold anything against you for your mistakes...I'm not like that.
And PLANT...you're still stuck in 2006 with that kiddish nutridage, son. :grumpy:
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Yeah, he just told the cops something about Shaq for the hell of it? Why mention a name? Thats what I'm saying kid. If he was simply trying to paint an example for the Po's then he didn't have to name names. But when you start naming names, you're trying to get the spotlight off you. As for the dude at my work, what I did for him was great. Everyone knows he's gay and now nobody else will bother him with questions trying to fish gay/straight answers out of him. Now he can work in peace without having to field questions cuz everyone knows (and are perfectly OK with it). On top of that, he gained a buddy with whom he can share his feelings with. The original gay cat and him are good friends now. He still has no clue anyone seen his flicks. He still has no clue that people know he's gay (outside of the other gay cat). So how is what I did anything harmful to him? So yeah, dude has not been affected in any negative manner.
But thats not even what we're talking about. Its Kobe and his naming names to the cops. "Famous" escapades... hardly. Like I said, YOU knew. But not everyone knew. So if the cops did not know what Shaq had done prior to Kobe telling them, then Kobe snitched.
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Yeah, he just told the cops something about Shaq for the hell of it? Why mention a name? Thats what I'm saying kid. If he was simply trying to paint an example for the Po's then he didn't have to name names. But when you start naming names, you're trying to get the spotlight off you. As for the dude at my work, what I did for him was great. Everyone knows he's gay and now nobody else will bother him with questions trying to fish gay/straight answers out of him. Now he can work in peace without having to field questions cuz everyone knows (and are perfectly OK with it). On top of that, he gained a buddy with whom he can share his feelings with. The original gay cat and him are good friends now. He still has no clue anyone seen his flicks. He still has no clue that people know he's gay (outside of the other gay cat). So how is what I did anything harmful to him? So yeah, dude has not been affected in any negative manner.
But thats not even what we're talking about. Its Kobe and his naming names to the cops. "Famous" escapades... hardly. Like I said, YOU knew. But not everyone knew. So if the cops did not know what Shaq had done prior to Kobe telling them, then Kobe snitched.
Why mention the name? Like I said, it's called an EXAMPLE...Sure, he shouldn't have done it, but he was under heat, he slipped up. If you think he was tryna get Shaq in trouble, then you're dumb, that's all. If you read the interrogation, which you obviously didn't, you would see there was no "SPOTLIGHT" to rid, like you're claiming...Two detectives just approached Kobe to ask him about the situation.. it musta been like a 1 hour talk, and the situation was very clear (Kobe fucked the bitch), so there was no removal of spotlight attempted, like you claim.
Also...you're not God, SGV. To say you didn't affect the dude in your work is pathetic. Come on, now, are you Cartman? Seriously, SERIOUSLY. The guy was in the closet for a reason. He obviously still wants to be there if he's not saying shit, but I guess you "helped" him...You did your duty, huh, God? If he ever found out, he'd be very, VERY upset...You invaded his discret, personal space and burned a big whole in his privacy for his whole work enviroment to crawl in.
Stop claiming what Shaq did wasn't famous...Just because your non-basketball watching ass was ignorant to the situation, doesn't mean everyone is blind. Shit was everywhere. You had Superhead going on interviews talking about sleeping with Shaq and being spoiled...You had girls going to tabloids spilling out about it... You had it published in many books, magazines, internet articles...You had jokes about it on Jay Leno...So again, because your ass didn't know something that was considered common knowledge amongst the basketball world, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone...Should Kobe have used the example? No. Does it define his character? Only if you're a judgemental piece of shit...PeACe
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Since you're going to be a child about this: You're Not God to know anything about what you're talking about. You're not God to know that Kobe did NOT have the intention on taking the spotlight off himself by naming names. You are not God to know that the guy was affected by something he doesn't even know about. You are not God to know if it was as publicized that Shaq paid bitches as you think it was. You are not God.
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Since you're going to be a child about this: You're Not God to know anything about what you're talking about. You're not God to know that Kobe did NOT have the intention on taking the spotlight off himself by naming names. You are not God to know that the guy was affected by something he doesn't even know about. You are not God to know if it was as publicized that Shaq paid bitches as you think it was. You are not God.
You're right...I'm not God. But all those things don't take a Godly power to know. They take common sense...PeACe
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Yeah common sense tells me dropping names to the cops is snitching. Common sense tells me that if someone has no clue that others know their secret, it's of no harm to them. Its common sense to know that just because some chicken head broad says something (then the tabloids pick up on it) doesn't make it true (nor does that make it national headline news that would be considered "well-known"). COMMON SENSE tells me these things.
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Yeah common sense tells me dropping names to the cops is snitching. Common sense tells me that if someone has no clue that others know their secret, it's of no harm to them. Its common sense to know that just because some chicken head broad says something (then the tabloids pick up on it) doesn't make it true (nor does that make it national headline news that would be considered "well-known"). COMMON SENSE tells me these things.
So if you're a closet case, and everyone knows 100% that you're gay, thanks to a co-worker... there's no damage done? think about being a closet homo and you have no idea of what's going on behind your back and in peoples heads, all courtesy of that certain co-worker... that doesn't have an affect? How the hell so? Naturally, people think less of people who happen to be in the closet. People have an advantage over someone when they know something that the person doesn't want them to know. Stop spewing so much nonsense, bro...it can't be good for you. Dropping names to a cop is snitching? So if I told a cop, "I wouldn't have been in this mess if I won the lottery like ______", is that snitching? More nonsense from good ol' SGV...Superhead is not "just some chicken head broad"...Like I said, EVERYONE knew of Shaq's infamous situation, and if someone didn't, they coulda' easily knwon by researching Shaq...Did you not know James Worthy slept with whores? Did you not know Wilt slept with 20,000 women? It's the same shit.. it's common knowledge amongst basketball heads and anyone who knew the first thing about Shaq...But that's not the point. The point is, once again, though what Kobe did was wrong, you are overrexaggerating by acting like it's an unforgivable act...Had Kobe been like "naah, man, Shaq does this all the time...in fact, I'm pretty sure he's fucked a grip of bitches without their consent and then pays them"...That, my friend, would be an unforgivable act of snitching...not what happened in the interrogation, which you obviously never read, yet insist on holding 3 page arguments about...PeACe
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You want nonsense? Nonsense is when you continue to assume you know whats going on with that dude. LOL. Nobody in the store feels any less about him. As a matter of fact, we don't even bring it up anymore. That shit is old news (except for you). Nobody has brought it up since the day. Everyone still interacts with the dude on a day to day like nothing ever happened. So, again, NO harm has been caused to him. Please, stop being ignorant and nonsensical.
As for the whole Shaq think. LMAO @ Superhead not being a chicken head (Didn't her book just come out within the past few years? Didnt this shit with Kobe go down in 03?). Is she some sort of scholar? A senator? Someone prestigious? Na. Just some broad who fucked a gang of dudes. Can you take everything she says serious? Sure... if you believe everything you read. Wilt banging 20,000 broads was something I heard about when I was like 8 on SNL or In Living Color. I had never heard that about Shaq. And, like I said, I know plenty of people who weren't aware of this. You knew, but then again you follow ANYTHING that has to with the Lakers, even the players sex life. Thats all good.
Your example is laughable. LMAO @ The lottery. Kobe was being questioned, he felt pressure, so he brought up an example, "what if I paid them like Shaq?" You don't think that's snitching? I can't respect anyone who will condone that shit. He had no need to bring another name into it except his own. Anytime that is done that is snitching. Whether you grasp that concept or not. Dogg, Kobe was being interrogated, nobody else. Did they ask about Shaq? No. Hence, since he just decided to drop Shaq's name, he snitched. Point blank period.
You continue to argue with your extremely fucked up view on everything that we have discussed. But you have done nothing except for your blatant attempts at upholding Kobe's tarnished name. It didn't work. I still think Kobe's a snitch. I still know for a fact the homo cat at my store ain't affected and I still had never heard about Shaq's paying bitches until Kobe snitched.
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You want nonsense? Nonsense is when you continue to assume you know whats going on with that dude. LOL. Nobody in the store feels any less about him. As a matter of fact, we don't even bring it up anymore. That shit is old news (except for you). Nobody has brought it up since the day. Everyone still interacts with the dude on a day to day like nothing ever happened. So, again, NO harm has been caused to him. Please, stop being ignorant and nonsensical.
As for the whole Shaq think. LMAO @ Superhead not being a chicken head (Didn't her book just come out within the past few years? Didnt this shit with Kobe go down in 03?). Is she some sort of scholar? A senator? Someone prestigious? Na. Just some broad who fucked a gang of dudes. Can you take everything she says serious? Sure... if you believe everything you read. Wilt banging 20,000 broads was something I heard about when I was like 8 on SNL or In Living Color. I had never heard that about Shaq. And, like I said, I know plenty of people who weren't aware of this. You knew, but then again you follow ANYTHING that has to with the Lakers, even the players sex life. Thats all good.
Your example is laughable. LMAO @ The lottery. Kobe was being questioned, he felt pressure, so he brought up an example, "what if I paid them like Shaq?" You don't think that's snitching? I can't respect anyone who will condone that shit. He had no need to bring another name into it except his own. Anytime that is done that is snitching. Whether you grasp that concept or not. Dogg, Kobe was being interrogated, nobody else. Did they ask about Shaq? No. Hence, since he just decided to drop Shaq's name, he snitched. Point blank period.
You continue to argue with your extremely fucked up view on everything that we have discussed. But you have done nothing except for your blatant attempts at upholding Kobe's tarnished name. It didn't work. I still think Kobe's a snitch. I still know for a fact the homo cat at my store ain't affected and I still had never heard about Shaq's paying bitches until Kobe snitched.
Again, genius, I haven't been assuming shit. I only go off of facts...When a closet-case is exposed, and he has no idea he's been exposed, that has an AFFECT on him, whether your Cartmanesque ass wants to admit it or not...
SGV...It's hard to imagine that you actually believe most of what you say. Shaq's escapades were way more famous than Wilt's, especially because it was taking place in the present. The same people who live in America and can't locate North America on the map are the same people who watch basketball and had no idea Shaq was fuckin' with chickenheads and spoiling them with gifts in return...Do you not get that EVERY book written about Shaq or that went into detail about Shaq (and there are PLENTY) has noted this?...So what exactly did Kobe "snitch" about? Did you read the interrogation? Did it seem like the cops even noticed or gave a shit about Kobe's example? No...It's only haters like you who make a big deal out of this shit. It didn't even make any headlines, no one even gave a shit...not even Shaq. Why? Because he already knew that shit was world-wide...You can think whatever you want. But remember, judgemental punks who hold shit against people for petty mistakes will never be at ease with themselves...PeACe
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My response to your last post:
Nobody in the store feels any less about him. As a matter of fact, we don't even bring it up anymore. That shit is old news (except for you). Nobody has brought it up since the day. Everyone still interacts with the dude on a day to day like nothing ever happened.
Wilt banging 20,000 broads was something I heard about when I was like 8 on SNL or In Living Color. I had never heard that about Shaq. And, like I said, I know plenty of people who weren't aware of this. You knew, but then again you follow ANYTHING that has to with the Lakers, even the players sex life. Thats all good.
Kobe was being questioned, he felt pressure, so he brought up an example, "what if I paid them like Shaq?" You don't think that's snitching? I can't respect anyone who will condone that shit. He had no need to bring another name into it except his own. Anytime that is done that is snitching. Whether you grasp that concept or not. Dogg, Kobe was being interrogated, nobody else. Did they ask about Shaq? No. Hence, since he just decided to drop Shaq's name, he snitched. Point blank period.
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Again, genius, I haven't been assuming shit. I only go off of facts...When a closet-case is exposed, and he has no idea he's been exposed, that has an AFFECT on him, whether your Cartmanesque ass wants to admit it or not...
SGV...It's hard to imagine that you actually believe most of what you say. Shaq's escapades were way more famous than Wilt's, especially because it was taking place in the present. The same people who live in America and can't locate North America on the map are the same people who watch basketball and had no idea Shaq was fuckin' with chickenheads and spoiling them with gifts in return...Do you not get that EVERY book written about Shaq or that went into detail about Shaq (and there are PLENTY) has noted this?...So what exactly did Kobe "snitch" about? Did you read the interrogation? Did it seem like the cops even noticed or gave a shit about Kobe's example? No...It's only haters like you who make a big deal out of this shit. It didn't even make any headlines, no one even gave a shit...not even Shaq. Why? Because he already knew that shit was world-wide...You can think whatever you want. But remember, judgemental punks who hold shit against people for petty mistakes will never be at ease with themselves...PeACe
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damn hella laker fans exposed in this 1
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went through this thread and as a Knick fan I find it blasphemy that any Laker fan would ever be anti-Kobe
still remember the 61 he dropped in 2009 breaking the MSG record :o
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went through this thread and as a Knick fan I find it blasphemy that any Laker fan would ever be anti-Kobe
still remember the 61 he dropped in 2009 breaking the MSG record :o
and if u can see, i was goin against em all
and not to brag on myself but everything i said would happen ended up happening
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and if u can see, i was goin against em all
and not to brag on myself but everything i said would happen ended up happening
:ohwell:
yep...won 2 more titles after that 8)
RIP LEGEND