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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: MIAMI4LIFE on October 03, 2007, 05:32:25 AM
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I really think that Kurupts rapping on D&YG is better than any of his solo allbums, his flow here is :o and his lyrics are not really mind blowing but consistently dope, his verses have structure to them and he's not trying to use these big words and making no sense ala Da World or psychosomatic automatic bubonic chronic addict even on Streetz his lyrics are very hit or miss, Trylogy excluded and on Space Boogie he sounds good and Fred laced him with some superior tracks but lyrically it really continued the downfall, I actually think his best solo lyrically is the East Coast Disc of Kuruption where he spits some really raw lyrics, was wondering what everybody thought on the subject
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hmm....ok.
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Just my 2 cents:
Kuruption had dope tracks and some not so good. Alot from the west and east disc.
Streetz had alot of quotables on it. Kurupt was back in that battle mode on that
D&YG his rhymes are more reserved, sounds like he really focused more on writing songs then freestyling. Less quotables, but the songs were dope.
Space Boogie, it's like Kuruption, when it is dope it's dope, when it's bad it's bad.
I like the Kurupt with the dope rhymes and quotables. So for a solo album, you can't beat Tha Streetz. As far as his DP stuff D&YG best shows Kurupt post DR & DF lyrically consistent.
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Just my 2 cents:
Kuruption had dope tracks and some not so good. Alot from the west and east disc.
Streetz had alot of quotables on it. Kurupt was back in that battle mode on that
D&YG his rhymes are more reserved, sounds like he really focused more on writing songs then freestyling. Less quotables, but the songs were dope.
Space Boogie, it's like Kuruption, when it is dope it's dope, when it's bad it's bad.
I like the Kurupt with the dope rhymes and quotables. So for a solo album, you can't beat Tha Streetz. As far as his DP stuff D&YG best shows Kurupt post DR & DF lyrically consistent.
props on the intelligent response, I agree with the writing on D&YG he sounded like he wrote down his verses, I think that most of Streetz was actually freestyled which is one of the essentials of battle rap in that context but alot of times in freestyling you tend to repeat the same words just because of the fact it is off the dome, Kuruption had some of his best work and if it were combined into one disc it maybe would be his best solo, I actually think he sounded hung over on alot of the tracks mainly just the sound in his voice ;D
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Just my 2 cents:
Kuruption had dope tracks and some not so good. Alot from the west and east disc.
Streetz had alot of quotables on it. Kurupt was back in that battle mode on that
D&YG his rhymes are more reserved, sounds like he really focused more on writing songs then freestyling. Less quotables, but the songs were dope.
Space Boogie, it's like Kuruption, when it is dope it's dope, when it's bad it's bad.
I like the Kurupt with the dope rhymes and quotables. So for a solo album, you can't beat Tha Streetz. As far as his DP stuff D&YG best shows Kurupt post DR & DF lyrically consistent.
props on the intelligent response, I agree with the writing on D&YG he sounded like he wrote down his verses, I think that most of Streetz was actually freestyled which is one of the essentials of battle rap in that context but alot of times in freestyling you tend to repeat the same words just because of the fact it is off the dome, Kuruption had some of his best work and if it were combined into one disc it maybe would be his best solo, I actually think he sounded hung over on alot of the tracks mainly just the sound in his voice ;D
Yeah his voice was fucked up on the 1st one. He was freestyling alot on Tha Streetz but it was dope as fuck. Sounds completely different then some of the freestyles on Space Boogie.
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Streetz Iz A Mutha > Space Boogie > Kuruption >
IMO... 8)
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i love all kurupt albums..besides a few tracks...lol...kurupt is at his best when he is writing rhymes that make sense....and not just some freestyling shit
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Kurupt was only good in 97-99... after that he full the fuck off hey
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Kurupt was only good in 97-99... after that he full the fuck off hey
I bet your Karma is gonna be goin negative LOL
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Kurupt was only good in 97-99... after that he full the fuck off hey
I bet your Karma is gonna be goin negative LOL
it shouldn't though, its all a matter of opinion and he's expressing his, props to everybody in the thread
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^^^ Yeah I agree props back @ ya
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I think the general view of the forum is that Death Row period Kurupt was untouchable. Anything after that does not equal it but where people argue is whether or not he still drops dope material.
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1993-1994
Chronic and Doggystyle.
Kurupts Flows were so RAW and Vicous.
Untouchable Shit.
1995
Dogg Food
Kurupt was no longer using his 93-94 Flow but he introduced many Crazy NEW Flows.
DOPE AS FUCK.
1998
Kuruption was cool but some of the guests on the EAST disc were so annoying I had to edit them out with Soundforge.
Some tracks were Dope like FRESH, Its a set up, GAME, Thats Gangsta, etc.
Kurupts flows were dope on some tracks and all over the place on others.
Overall the album was disappointing for me because of the east coast disc. (way too many lame guests).
1999
Steetz Iz a Mutha was Dope as hell and to me.
The Production, guests, and Kurupt's flows were WAY doper than Kuruption.
I liked almost everytrack on this CD except "Live On The Mic"
2001
Space Boogie was cool.
The good tracks were GREAT.
I Love "Space Boogie feat. Nate Dogg" and "Gangstaz" and few others.
Some of the other tracks were so-so.
Overall I liked Space Boogie But It is second to Streetz is A Mutha for me.
2001
D & YG 1 was DOPE AS FUCK.
Period.
2003
Kurupt Presents the originals
Some of my favorites are:
2. Kurupt and the Originals - Original
3. Kurupt - Final Testament Deep shit
7. Kurupt with Roscoe and CJ - Major Money Dope as Hell
8. Kurupt - I Didn't Change Produced by J-Wells Deep shit
9. Kurupt and the Originals - Keep It True
15. Kurupt - Bang'n My Amps
16. Kurupt and CJ - They Luv It Dope as Hell
17. Kurupt - Eat A Dicc (Fuck Daz) RAW shit
"I didn't change" is one of my favorite tracks ever by ANY artist Ever.
So is "they Luv It".
This compilation really introduced the NEW Kurupt.
Starting HERE Kurupt's voice is deeper and more emotional.
2003-2005
Against tha Grain
With the missing tracks added and the lame tracks without Kurupt removed, this CD is PURE FIRE.
Flows, production, style, Everything.
2005
D & G 2
Not as dope as D & YG 1 but it was cool that the Homies were back together.
Some tracks were dope as Hell and others were so-so.
Adding 3-5 gangsta tracks would have filled out this album a little better
Some of the tracks for the bitches were even dope like "say it' and "make me a believer"
2006
Same Day Different Shit
DOPE As fuck.
Gd Up production , Vocals , Everything.
I know a lot of fans did not like this album but I put it on the same level as Streetz.
Scrape thu the Hood, Nina Breedas, As Time Fly By (Feat. Daz Dillinger), Gangstaz Part 2 (Feat. Daz Dillinger)
and many more.
The first "NEW KURUPT" Solo album.
Gangsta Shit! PURE FIRE!
2006
Cal Iz Active.
Some Dope flows, Some Horrible.
With all snoops appearances and the various producers this album felt more like
a compilation with Kurupt and Daz as Guest stars.
2007 DOGG CHIT
I thought this album was cool overall with the exception of the 3 tracks for the bitches.
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1993-1994
Chronic and Doggystyle.
Kurupts Flows were so RAW and Vicous.
Untouchable Shit.
1995
Dogg Food
Kurupt was no longer using his 93-94 Flow but he introduced many Crazy NEW Flows.
DOPE AS FUCK.
1998
Kuruption was cool but some of the guests on the EAST disc were so annoying I had to edit them out with Soundforge.
Some tracks were Dope like FRESH, Its a set up, GAME, Thats Gangsta, etc.
Kurupts flows were dope on some tracks and all over the place on others.
Overall the album was disappointing for me because of the east coast disc. (way too many lame guests).
1999
Steetz Iz a Mutha was Dope as hell and to me.
The Production, guests, and Kurupt's flows were WAY doper than Kuruption.
I liked almost everytrack on this CD except "Live On The Mic"
2001
Space Boogie was cool.
The good tracks were GREAT.
I Love "Space Boogie feat. Nate Dogg" and "Gangstaz" and few others.
Some of the other tracks were so-so.
Overall I liked Space Boogie But It is second to Streetz is A Mutha for me.
2001
D & YG 1 was DOPE AS FUCK.
Period.
2003
Kurupt Presents the originals
Some of my favorites are:
2. Kurupt and the Originals - Original
3. Kurupt - Final Testament Deep shit
7. Kurupt with Roscoe and CJ - Major Money Dope as Hell
8. Kurupt - I Didn't Change Produced by J-Wells Deep shit
9. Kurupt and the Originals - Keep It True
15. Kurupt - Bang'n My Amps
16. Kurupt and CJ - They Luv It Dope as Hell
17. Kurupt - Eat A Dicc (Fuck Daz) RAW shit
"I didn't change" is one of my favorite tracks ever by ANY artist Ever.
So is "they Luv It".
This compilation really introduced the NEW Kurupt.
Starting HERE Kurupt's voice is deeper and more emotional.
2003-2005
Against tha Grain
With the missing tracks added and the lame tracks without Kurupt removed, this CD is PURE FIRE.
Flows, production, style, Everything.
2005
D & G 2
Not as dope as D & YG 1 but it was cool that the Homies were back together.
Some tracks were dope as Hell and others were so-so.
Adding 3-5 gangsta tracks would have filled out this album a little better
Some of the tracks for the bitches were even dope like "say it' and "make me a believer"
2006
Same Day Different Shit
DOPE As fuck.
Gd Up production , Vocals , Everything.
I know a lot of fans did not like this album but I put it on the same level as Streetz.
Scrape thu the Hood, Nina Breedas, As Time Fly By (Feat. Daz Dillinger), Gangstaz Part 2 (Feat. Daz Dillinger)
and many more.
The first "NEW KURUPT" Solo album.
Gangsta Shit! PURE FIRE!
2006
Cal Iz Active.
Some Dope flows, Some Horrible.
With all snoops appearances and the various producers this album felt more like
a compilation with Kurupt and Daz as Guest stars.
2007 DOGG CHIT
I thought this album was cool overall with the exception of the 3 tracks for the bitches.
well put homie, +1
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Thanks Homie! 8)
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1993-1994
Chronic and Doggystyle.
Kurupts Flows were so RAW and Vicous.
Untouchable Shit.
1995
Dogg Food
Kurupt was no longer using his 93-94 Flow but he introduced many Crazy NEW Flows.
DOPE AS FUCK.
1998
Kuruption was cool but some of the guests on the EAST disc were so annoying I had to edit them out with Soundforge.
Some tracks were Dope like FRESH, Its a set up, GAME, Thats Gangsta, etc.
Kurupts flows were dope on some tracks and all over the place on others.
Overall the album was disappointing for me because of the east coast disc. (way too many lame guests).
1999
Steetz Iz a Mutha was Dope as hell and to me.
The Production, guests, and Kurupt's flows were WAY doper than Kuruption.
I liked almost everytrack on this CD except "Live On The Mic"
2001
Space Boogie was cool.
The good tracks were GREAT.
I Love "Space Boogie feat. Nate Dogg" and "Gangstaz" and few others.
Some of the other tracks were so-so.
Overall I liked Space Boogie But It is second to Streetz is A Mutha for me.
2001
D & YG 1 was DOPE AS FUCK.
Period.
2003
Kurupt Presents the originals
Some of my favorites are:
2. Kurupt and the Originals - Original
3. Kurupt - Final Testament Deep shit
7. Kurupt with Roscoe and CJ - Major Money Dope as Hell
8. Kurupt - I Didn't Change Produced by J-Wells Deep shit
9. Kurupt and the Originals - Keep It True
15. Kurupt - Bang'n My Amps
16. Kurupt and CJ - They Luv It Dope as Hell
17. Kurupt - Eat A Dicc (Fuck Daz) RAW shit
"I didn't change" is one of my favorite tracks ever by ANY artist Ever.
So is "they Luv It".
This compilation really introduced the NEW Kurupt.
Starting HERE Kurupt's voice is deeper and more emotional.
2003-2005
Against tha Grain
With the missing tracks added and the lame tracks without Kurupt removed, this CD is PURE FIRE.
Flows, production, style, Everything.
2005
D & G 2
Not as dope as D & YG 1 but it was cool that the Homies were back together.
Some tracks were dope as Hell and others were so-so.
Adding 3-5 gangsta tracks would have filled out this album a little better
Some of the tracks for the bitches were even dope like "say it' and "make me a believer"
2006
Same Day Different Shit
DOPE As fuck.
Gd Up production , Vocals , Everything.
I know a lot of fans did not like this album but I put it on the same level as Streetz.
Scrape thu the Hood, Nina Breedas, As Time Fly By (Feat. Daz Dillinger), Gangstaz Part 2 (Feat. Daz Dillinger)
and many more.
The first "NEW KURUPT" Solo album.
Gangsta Shit! PURE FIRE!
2006
Cal Iz Active.
Some Dope flows, Some Horrible.
With all snoops appearances and the various producers this album felt more like
a compilation with Kurupt and Daz as Guest stars.
2007 DOGG CHIT
I thought this album was cool overall with the exception of the 3 tracks for the bitches.
props, you broke the damn thing down, my problem with Kurupt has been mostly his inconsistency the last 6 years he might come dope and wack sometimes in the same song and even verse, like he might have some dope punchlines and then go on and say muthafucka, bitch, nigga about 10 or 20 times and kinda ruins the track for me, Scrape Thru Tha Hood a perfect example of that but overall he still got some heat and will always be my favorite MC
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1993-1994
Chronic and Doggystyle.
Kurupts Flows were so RAW and Vicous.
Untouchable Shit.
1995
Dogg Food
Kurupt was no longer using his 93-94 Flow but he introduced many Crazy NEW Flows.
DOPE AS FUCK.
1998
Kuruption was cool but some of the guests on the EAST disc were so annoying I had to edit them out with Soundforge.
Some tracks were Dope like FRESH, Its a set up, GAME, Thats Gangsta, etc.
Kurupts flows were dope on some tracks and all over the place on others.
Overall the album was disappointing for me because of the east coast disc. (way too many lame guests).
1999
Steetz Iz a Mutha was Dope as hell and to me.
The Production, guests, and Kurupt's flows were WAY doper than Kuruption.
I liked almost everytrack on this CD except "Live On The Mic"
2001
Space Boogie was cool.
The good tracks were GREAT.
I Love "Space Boogie feat. Nate Dogg" and "Gangstaz" and few others.
Some of the other tracks were so-so.
Overall I liked Space Boogie But It is second to Streetz is A Mutha for me.
2001
D & YG 1 was DOPE AS FUCK.
Period.
2003
Kurupt Presents the originals
Some of my favorites are:
2. Kurupt and the Originals - Original
3. Kurupt - Final Testament Deep shit
7. Kurupt with Roscoe and CJ - Major Money Dope as Hell
8. Kurupt - I Didn't Change Produced by J-Wells Deep shit
9. Kurupt and the Originals - Keep It True
15. Kurupt - Bang'n My Amps
16. Kurupt and CJ - They Luv It Dope as Hell
17. Kurupt - Eat A Dicc (Fuck Daz) RAW shit
"I didn't change" is one of my favorite tracks ever by ANY artist Ever.
So is "they Luv It".
This compilation really introduced the NEW Kurupt.
Starting HERE Kurupt's voice is deeper and more emotional.
2003-2005
Against tha Grain
With the missing tracks added and the lame tracks without Kurupt removed, this CD is PURE FIRE.
Flows, production, style, Everything.
2005
D & G 2
Not as dope as D & YG 1 but it was cool that the Homies were back together.
Some tracks were dope as Hell and others were so-so.
Adding 3-5 gangsta tracks would have filled out this album a little better
Some of the tracks for the bitches were even dope like "say it' and "make me a believer"
2006
Same Day Different Shit
DOPE As fuck.
Gd Up production , Vocals , Everything.
I know a lot of fans did not like this album but I put it on the same level as Streetz.
Scrape thu the Hood, Nina Breedas, As Time Fly By (Feat. Daz Dillinger), Gangstaz Part 2 (Feat. Daz Dillinger)
and many more.
The first "NEW KURUPT" Solo album.
Gangsta Shit! PURE FIRE!
2006
Cal Iz Active.
Some Dope flows, Some Horrible.
With all snoops appearances and the various producers this album felt more like
a compilation with Kurupt and Daz as Guest stars.
2007 DOGG CHIT
I thought this album was cool overall with the exception of the 3 tracks for the bitches.
props, you broke the damn thing down, my problem with Kurupt has been mostly his inconsistency the last 6 years he might come dope and wack sometimes in the same song and even verse, like he might have some dope punchlines and then go on and say muthafucka, bitch, nigga about 10 or 20 times and kinda ruins the track for me, Scrape Thru Tha Hood a perfect example of that but overall he still got some heat and will always be my favorite MC
Thanks, HighEyeCue
I have noticed that many fans don't like it when he ends multiple lines in a row with "Mutha Fucka" or "Nigga"
The funny thing is I LOVE that Shit!
I have always felt that Kurupt drops those particular words better than anyone.
Ferocious!
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1993-1994
Chronic and Doggystyle.
Kurupts Flows were so RAW and Vicous.
Untouchable Shit.
1995
Dogg Food
Kurupt was no longer using his 93-94 Flow but he introduced many Crazy NEW Flows.
DOPE AS FUCK.
1998
Kuruption was cool but some of the guests on the EAST disc were so annoying I had to edit them out with Soundforge.
Some tracks were Dope like FRESH, Its a set up, GAME, Thats Gangsta, etc.
Kurupts flows were dope on some tracks and all over the place on others.
Overall the album was disappointing for me because of the east coast disc. (way too many lame guests).
1999
Steetz Iz a Mutha was Dope as hell and to me.
The Production, guests, and Kurupt's flows were WAY doper than Kuruption.
I liked almost everytrack on this CD except "Live On The Mic"
2001
Space Boogie was cool.
The good tracks were GREAT.
I Love "Space Boogie feat. Nate Dogg" and "Gangstaz" and few others.
Some of the other tracks were so-so.
Overall I liked Space Boogie But It is second to Streetz is A Mutha for me.
2001
D & YG 1 was DOPE AS FUCK.
Period.
2003
Kurupt Presents the originals
Some of my favorites are:
2. Kurupt and the Originals - Original
3. Kurupt - Final Testament Deep shit
7. Kurupt with Roscoe and CJ - Major Money Dope as Hell
8. Kurupt - I Didn't Change Produced by J-Wells Deep shit
9. Kurupt and the Originals - Keep It True
15. Kurupt - Bang'n My Amps
16. Kurupt and CJ - They Luv It Dope as Hell
17. Kurupt - Eat A Dicc (Fuck Daz) RAW shit
"I didn't change" is one of my favorite tracks ever by ANY artist Ever.
So is "they Luv It".
This compilation really introduced the NEW Kurupt.
Starting HERE Kurupt's voice is deeper and more emotional.
2003-2005
Against tha Grain
With the missing tracks added and the lame tracks without Kurupt removed, this CD is PURE FIRE.
Flows, production, style, Everything.
2005
D & G 2
Not as dope as D & YG 1 but it was cool that the Homies were back together.
Some tracks were dope as Hell and others were so-so.
Adding 3-5 gangsta tracks would have filled out this album a little better
Some of the tracks for the bitches were even dope like "say it' and "make me a believer"
2006
Same Day Different Shit
DOPE As fuck.
Gd Up production , Vocals , Everything.
I know a lot of fans did not like this album but I put it on the same level as Streetz.
Scrape thu the Hood, Nina Breedas, As Time Fly By (Feat. Daz Dillinger), Gangstaz Part 2 (Feat. Daz Dillinger)
and many more.
The first "NEW KURUPT" Solo album.
Gangsta Shit! PURE FIRE!
2006
Cal Iz Active.
Some Dope flows, Some Horrible.
With all snoops appearances and the various producers this album felt more like
a compilation with Kurupt and Daz as Guest stars.
2007 DOGG CHIT
I thought this album was cool overall with the exception of the 3 tracks for the bitches.
props, you broke the damn thing down, my problem with Kurupt has been mostly his inconsistency the last 6 years he might come dope and wack sometimes in the same song and even verse, like he might have some dope punchlines and then go on and say muthafucka, bitch, nigga about 10 or 20 times and kinda ruins the track for me, Scrape Thru Tha Hood a perfect example of that but overall he still got some heat and will always be my favorite MC
Thanks, HighEyeCue
I have noticed that many fans don't like it when he ends multiple lines in a row with "Mutha Fucka" or "Nigga"
The funny thing is I LOVE that Shit!
I have always felt that Kurupt drops those particular words better than anyone.
Ferocious!
Yeah him doing that on the Scrape Thru Tha Hood song was dope. That and the beat was dope.
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props, you broke the damn thing down, my problem with Kurupt has been mostly his inconsistency the last 6 years he might come dope and wack sometimes in the same song and even verse, like he might have some dope punchlines and then go on and say muthafucka, bitch, nigga about 10 or 20 times and kinda ruins the track for me, Scrape Thru Tha Hood a perfect example of that but overall he still got some heat and will always be my favorite MC
Thanks, HighEyeCue
I have noticed that many fans don't like it when he ends multiple lines in a row with "Mutha Fucka" or "Nigga"
The funny thing is I LOVE that Shit!
I have always felt that Kurupt drops those particular words better than anyone.
Ferocious!
Yeah him doing that on the Scrape Thru Tha Hood song was dope. That and the beat was dope.
True Dat Homie.
True Dat. 8)
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Wow.
I mostly post from my office at work between client meetings and I just jump on recent threads if I am interested.
I just ignore threads that don't interest me.
No Offence Tuskin Raider,
But There is a simple solution for your problem.
Just don't click on the link if you see Kurupt's name.
Its strange that you have put so much effort into this.
8)
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Cool Homie.
But its actually more organized with recent comments separated from older comments.
I'm sure that HighEYEQUE and D-Nice read those old threads at the time they were posted just like me.
It would be lame to scroll through pages and pages of comments from months ago just to get to the recent ones.
And we all know how to work the search engine if we get interested in reading the old stuff.
Also:
I have seen many posters complain when an old thread is brought back.
They always say "Just start a new thread".
By the way, I am ALSO a Star Wars Fan Like yourself. 8)
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I thought the dopest when he did that was It's A Set Up "wanna get rich ass nigga, snitch ass nigga, fake switch bitch ass nigga, up into get lynched ass nigga" and "these fake ass niggaz, snake ass niggaz, earthquake ass niggaz, I shake these niggaz, shake ass niggaz" he was spitting venom on that track :o
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I thought the dopest when he did that was It's A Set Up "wanna get rich ass nigga, snitch ass nigga, fake switch bitch ass nigga, up into get lynched ass nigga" and "these fake ass niggaz, snake ass niggaz, earthquake ass niggaz, I shake these niggaz, shake ass niggaz" he was spitting venom on that track :o
DOPE ASS SHIT FO SHO!!!
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I don't mean to spoil your fun,but how many Kurupt threads do we need? D-Nice you have been in all those threads,at least 20 the last 6-8 months ain't you tired of them? The best one was the one you and Tanji had,even Kurupt went so far to contact Nima because off all those threads,ha,ha. I'm tempted to up the most interesting threads and ask Jome to merge them with this one (maybe even all those other too?). But have now decided to copy and paste the most interesting posts from the most on point Kurupt thread I have read. There´s also a link to Kurupts feed back to dubcc.
Thoughts on Kurupt after finally hearing the discography
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=141480.0
I had only been familiar with Kuruption, TSIAM, SB:SO, and of course the DPG catalog before this point. Now, I've listened to Kurupt's discography, the Horsemen project, Riflez work, and some other stuff.
anyway, the condensed version for those who don't wanna read album by album: Even though Kurupt is my favorite rapper, the only two albums of his I consider strong are TSIAM and ATG. But there are definitely some dope dope dope songs on every record of his, I just feel that Kuruption, Space Boogie and SDDS are weak as albums, though all the songs are definitely not weak.
Kuruption-I've discussed this album before. I think it would have been MAD solid had he distilled the best tracks from both discs onto one disc. Time has been kind to the west coast disc.
Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha-West Coast classic. Also has been discussed a grip here. Very solid album with damn near the whole Pound on it.
Space Boogie-The dopest songs on this album are doper than the dopest songs on TSIAM BUT TSIAM is a far more solid/consistent album. Alot of poor pop songs on here. and I have nothing against pop songs if they are well done. But alot of it is poorly executed IMO. To me, this album is Fred Wreck at his most Dre-influenced. Space Boogie the song makes me think this especially but also Hardest and On, Bring Back That G shit, Onsite-all dope songs too. Quik's song here is the shit too. Gangstaz and Fuck da world are some very different (musically) dogg pound songs that I like alot too.
Against Tha Grain- WOW. I did not expect this record to be SO FUCKING DOPE. But it is. Kurupt is more creative here than he's been in years imo. It's like he really had something to prove to DPG- "I'm a dope artist with or without you." and it's true. Sir Jinx and Mark Sparx were packing heat. I'd say 13-15 of the 18 songs here are really good, and that's saying alot. I did not expect this at all. Kurupt rips it up alot here and when he doesn't, he's still speaking interestingly on shit (speak on it). This record adds alot of mythos to Kurupt's story. In retrospect, I suspect many people will see this had to happen for Kurupt to feel like he had a viable identity outside of DPG/Daz production. This gave him an artistic clean slate and he used it well. I just hope he incorporates this adventurousness with his new-old stuff too.
SDDS- Man...as dope as ATG is what I was hoping/expecting from SDDS but this record did not deliver for me. I feel like on alot of songs Daz and Kurupt were just going through the motions, but some of the songs really come together nicely. I'd say there are 3-7 really bangin' songs here that are nice additions to the collection, but that's all the good I can really say about the album. Which is really unfortunate considering this is the first time Kurupt's had a completely Daz produced solo and DJ/MC collabs are missing in hip hop so I give the record props for that aspect but I feel Daz and Kurupt could do better.
HRSMN Project- Who produced this stuff? Some of it's sickadiddy and some of it's kind of iffy to me. I would have liked to hear HRSMN over a more diverse sound...some of the producer they already have and some Daz etc. but anyway I digress: some of Kurupt's best lyrics are here, it's great to hear him in context with other MCs but like my homey D-Nice said once, it's cool but a complete Horsemen project would probably be doper.
Riflemen-Riflez is some amazing shit to me. It'd be dope if DPG/RIFLEMEN/HRSMN all did some shit together. But once more I digress, I like this shit a little more than Horsemen even because the production is bangin'. Who does the beats, Havoc or what?
so looking back I'd say TSIAM is Kurupt's best solo but this is a misleading statement because if I was to name the top best/favorite Kurupt tracks, almost none of them are on TSIAM, even when excluding his golden times of Chronic/Doggystyle. My top 10 Kurupt songs would be some shit off Space Boogie (the album as a whole is weak to me, but the ones that are good are damn good), some DPG shit, and some other appearances and collabs he's done.
Based on SDDS I can see how some people say he's lazy, can't spit anymore etc. but when I look at what he did in ATG, Dogg Chit and even a few tracks on SDDS,( not to mention Riflez, latest tracks with Roscoe, Keep it movin, other collabs etc.) I think it is ridiculous to say Kurupt can't still flow like a river. Dude is a spitter. STILL one of the best in the west in my view.
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If you took put that on something off of west coast disc and replaced them with another day, light shit up, game, walk on by, and it's a set up...Kuruption would be near TSIAM status.
i actually have a burnt copy of Kuruption that is exactly that and it bangs.
I like ATG lyrically a grip as well.
Fuck Da World is lyrically as tight as anything on TSIAM (kind of like Trylogy) but the over-all way he raps it and the lyrics doesn't compare to 'puffin' on blunts and drankin tanqueray' which is the song we compared it to in the discussion we had that you are referring to. it's a cool song though, a good end to the album.
also, there's a line in ATG when he said "they liked me better when i was on stranded on death row" like referring to the song 'stranded on death row' from the chronic like he knows that's a song that we hold as a watershed mark for him. to me, now he has no excuse....he knows what the people want, his fault for any success he doesn't have. the homey d-nice was saying he thought that Kurupt just was referring to his earlier death row days but the phrasing leads me to believe he's referring to the actual song.
also, I was thinking...Kurupt really fucked up with Kuruption in my opinion. He had a bangin' single, everything leading up to his album that he had done had been at least relatively succesful AND critically well-received (by his target audience at the very least) which is rare, and he was part of the dre/snoop/g-funk west coast phenomena with the world's ear and he does Kuruption...If he would have thought to consolidate the album to one disc of solid shit, he'd have gone platinum easily I think. While bootlegging happened it wasn't as rampant as now and if someone put the east coast disc on and played a bunch of it..I don't think the person being shown the album would be as moved to buy the record as they woud if the album only had the solid tracks from both discs. alot of the east coast disc and put that on something from the west coast disc are just directionless and haphazard and that's not hard for a critical ear to see.
let me put it this way...if Kurupt would have done what he was supposed to have done with Kuruption, TWICE or maybe even 3 times as many people that bought Kuruption would have bought TSIAM. But because Kuruption was so sprawling and sloppy, it took a grip of banging shit from TSIAM on CA radio to convince the same amount of people that bought the first record to buy the second. and with that he could have gotten huge with space boogie's pop stuff. so i think he drastically fucked up his chance for greater success with Kuruption.
anyway, i'm high as shit, and chillin' off the henny.
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Nice topic, even tho i disagree with you on some points.
IMO SB is as good as TSIAM... Kurupt may not have been as on point lyrically, but the production is definately better on SB. The only songs i didn't like on it was It's Over and Sunshine, the rest is good and alot of the songs are straight classics (On Onsite, Tha Hardest Muthafuckaz, Gangstas, At It Again), but on TSIAM there was 4-5 songs i didn't really feel (i.e. Trylogy, and yes, I know Kurupt is a beast on it, but that beat is horrible to me).
Kuruption is an ok album, but as you pointed out, a double disc was too much... Agreed with basically everything you said about it.
I really haven't listened enough to ATG and SDDS to go in-depth... if an album doesn't strike me as good in the first couple of listenings, i probably won't give it too many chances (there's too much great music in the world, and not enough time to listen to average or wack shit ;) ). But I can say that, judging by the first listenings, they could not reach up to the levels of TSIAM & SB, Kuruption neither for that sake..
TSIAM is a westcoast classic, because it does sound very good, and it re-established Kurupt as a westcoast star.
SB is a personal classic to me, but perhaps not a westcoast classic, because it did not have the "impact" TSIAM had, and maybe people were expecting Kurupt to come off harder and keep up the style he did on TSIAM... So I understand that some people were disapointed.
Obviously Streetz iz a mutha is his best album. Album is straight heat!! Definetly a westcoast classic maybe an overall classic.
Space Boogie: Damn fred wreck and daz hooked this album up great on the production. Fred Wrecks tracks such as the opener with Nate dogg and even the song with fred durst are hot as fuck. This album represents the highlight of kurupts mainstream solo career.
SDDS: This album just seems incomplete and "mailed in" a bit to me. "Ryde and roll" and "I get high 2" are clasics to me though. Some very poor tracks on it however.
Kuruption: He fucked up by making 2 average cds instead of one good one and not ripping it hard enough like everyone wanted from kurupt at the time.
Against the grain: i liked about half, i didnt really feel the production
Streetz Is A Mutha has alot of dope DPGC posse cuts, Space Boogie has more dope solo cuts with Kurupt by himself. Not to take anything away from Welcome Home or Trylogy but it is like comparing Daz's 1st album and RAW. You almost have to give the nod to RAW because it is more of Daz on his own. SB is one of the best produced west coast albums, along with TSIAM. I still give the edge to TSIAM. I don't see all the hype for Da World on SB. Tryology>Da World IMO.
Kuruption does have some filler, but I actually like alot of the cuts on the East disc. Game is dope, Its A Set Up, We Can Freak It Out. The west coast disc is comparable to all of his solo albums.
ATG has some really good tracks and some really bad ones. I think if you add the tracks on the EP that is getting ready to drop on this and delete the weak cuts I think it would be one of his best.
SDDS- solid album. Gangstas Pt 2 :o Nothing groundbreaking and hardly any wack songs. solid rhymes and beats
wow, I'm surprised at the diversity of opinion on this topic. that's really cool though.
I felt alot of the space boogie production was weak. I guess I couldn't stand that Just got Paid song cause N sync covered that exact same song with their record that sold 20 million or whatever, the no string attached one (i know this cause I was in middle school and was surrounded by middle school girls who were bumpin that shit)
didn't like the fred durst cut and I felt Kurupt completely wasted the chance to rip up the everlast song.
as far as SDDS, I like the song right before Gangstaz pt.2 better than gangstaz pt.2 alot more.
i didn't feel there was any weak tracks on TSIAM. some tracks are better than others imo, but the album in context is a solid listen to me.
damn, I really feel like ATG is his second best album. there's like 3-4 whack songs in the last half but I feel 13-15 of the 18 tracks are really fucking good.
yeah, the west coast disc of Kuruption would be solid without put that on something.
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Kuruption 3/5. Pretty dope album, but like all 2cd sets, he should have just combined the best tracks. The idea was original too, and East and west disc, but most of this album wasn't too hot. Best track: "We Can Freak It"
The Streetz Iz A Muthafucka 4.5/5 My favorite Kurupt album, among the last where his lyrics actually made sense. Great production, and it had a Westcoast feel to it in a good way. He sounded the most comfortable and having the most fun on this. All the DPG guest spots make it great too. One of the few cases where an album with many songs diversified in sound and didn't become cluttered. Best track: "Callin Out Names"
Space Boogie: Smoke Oddessy 3.5/5 Cool album, better than Kuruption, but the songs with Lethal, Fred Durst, Everlast & Natina did not work out. Thats a considerable chunk of the album. Now he did have some great tracks and this was a popular album when it came out too. Just a little too much sappy radio ready shit, but still ranks up there as better than Kuruption Best Track: "On Onsite"
Young Gotti Against The Grain 2.5/5 Just terrible. What happened to his lyrics and flow on this? Production wasn't terrible, but for someone as good as Kurupt, I dunno man. This has got to be one of the worst album a respected rapper has ever put out. I mean the lyrics were so embarrasingly bad, rhyming the same word twice without meaning. Shit was sad as fuck to hear Kurupt sink this low. Best track: "Slide N Slide Out"
Same Day Different Shit 3.5/5 Not a bad album once it has sunk in that Kurupt isn't a very good lyricist anymore. The beats were better on SDDS than any Kurupt album except for SIAMF. Kurupt did have decent lyrics on a few tracks, but for the most part, didn't give the effort he should have. He did sound very good with Daz, and I always wondered what a Kurupt album entirley produced by Daz would be like. In fact, Daz & Ivan's production was the sole reason that SDDS gets this high of a rating.
Best track: "I get High 2"
Tha Streetz had dope posse cuts and Dogg Pound cuts
Space Boogie had better solo cuts and more polished production. Fred Wreck was in a zone on that one
I like SDDS because other than Daz it is all Kurupt
Against The Grain has some dope cuts, but I like how Kurupt vented on there after all the DPG disses
Kuruption has some innovative collabos you don't see everyday and I always say that the West Coast disc holds its own with all of his albums
Kurupt has a nice discography even though he was not the DR Kurupt everyone wanted
Space Boogie is slept on. I really thought some big singles were missed to be put out on that album to blow it up. Musically it is dope. Smooth and gangsta at the same time. I would like to hear Daz and Fred Wreck co produce a whole Dogg Pound album. A song off of SB I have been bumping is Bring Back That G Shit. That shit is dope as fuck. Kurupt killed it and Snoop and Goldie Loc did as well but that beat from Fred :o
i think SB is slept on because it's so spotty. man...even songs that coulda been dope aren't, like if Kurupt would have ripped the everlast song, woulda been dope, but he did not rip it at all imo, which is a shame cause the beat and everlast were tight on it.
what were the singles besides 'it's over'? there was some definite potential for singles, just got paid and sunshine for sure would have been decent stabs.
dnice: best Kurupt solo track iyo?
-T
.....and here´s what Kurupt think and the feed back from dubCC;
Kurupt Interview Speaking About "Against The Grain EP" & The Fans On The Forums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=142056.0
I hear what you saying. I just post to be honest with you and enjoy chopping game with you guys about music so I don't mind as much posting in various threads. Either way works for me, your idea or leave it the way it is like what GM said.
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I'm sure that HighEYEQUE and D-Nice read those old threads at the time they were posted just like me.
I forgot to add the most important,Tanji's comments pretty much sums up my toughts on Kurupt's work.
Well,my bad then,ha,ha... keep on...
Damn I forgot in Tanj's post I said I was going to do a Daz discography thread. LOL! Well I guess I better get started then.
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Should be interesting,I enjoy reading your convos with Tanji. I don't know the Daz discogs by heart like I do with Kurupt,I got all his albums but don't really listen to them. Kurupt on the other hand is on HEAVY rotation all the time,but I usually go into my vault and re-listen to shit if I read about here. Like right now,I bump Self Scientific because of the other convo we was in,I might give Volume 10 and freestyle fellowship a spin too....
Yeah this forum really helps me keep alot of albums in rotation, new and old. I am bumping Ant Banks- Big Thangs right now. T is the homie, I told him we are going to have to meet up and bump some music sometime. I have not been to California in YEARS.
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Make sure you holla at me also.
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Make sure you holla at me also.
No doubt man. I am trying to get out there in November before Thanksgiving, but I will definitely hit up the G-Spot and see what everyone is up to before I head out.
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Big Thangs is tight,I go as far as saying it's his best album. (maybe because he ain't really a good rapper,ha,ha). Yes this board helps me/us to go back and give "old" records a re-spin. So when the Daz thread drops I will go trough his discogs again. I'm preparing for the upcoming Mac Dre thread that Tanji will do as soon as he have digested Mac Dre's enormious discogs.
I would do a Ant Banks one but a couple I am missing or got jacked for. I think the only one I need is Do Or Die, not sure. I want to see Tanj's thread just to update my Mac Dre catalog because I know I am missing some there also. I'll work on the Daz one and maybe do a Cypress Hill one also.
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I hope you have seen the Mac Dre HUS(?). I will finnish it but it takes time,so go in there and find the shit you're looking for.
Ant Banks got 3 solo albums,big thangs and two t.w.d.y albums.
Nah, I have not checked it out but I most def will now that you told me about it
I got Do Or Die and Big Thangs so I just need one more then.
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Big Ups to Tusken Raider, D Nice and HIGHEYEQUE.
You guys rock.
I'll be droping some Props about 75 posts from now.
LOL 8)
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3 solo!
big thangs ain't solo.
One of them is called sittin on somthing phat,can't remember the title for the last one,but you will find them in the dangerous crew hus.
My bad, I meant I got 2 left to get. Thanks for the info.
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well got the idea from the homie D~Nice so here goes
Kuruption! - well Kurupts first solo and as is with most double albums if they were condensed to one would be alot tighter. Actually there are a lot of dope tracks on here kinda like the best and worst of Kurupt. Sounds like his voice is fucked up like he just woke up and recorded some of these tracks, favorite tracks are Fresh where this is straight outta Death Row with the sinister beat from Daz and Gotti spits some dope verses, C-Walk another classic beat which Tray Dee and Slip Capone drop some stellar verses. East Coast Disc contains some of Kurupts best solo tracks It's A Set Up and Game along with a dope freestyle session with Buckshot on Light Shit Up "Life's A Bitch and I love it" dope line by Gotti. This started the era where Kurupt started freestyling his verses
Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha - return to form for Gotti as he returns and delivers his best all around album, classic. Although this is not the Death Row Kurupt lyrically as he freestyled basically most of the album it is still dope as his delivery and flow are refined here and is just ferocious like GM Records stated, Trylogy probably Kurupts best all around freestyle of all time as he spits venom over an orchestrated beat which he rides perfectly, Step Up is another joint where Kurupt spits an amazing freestyled verse although Crooked I actually outshines him and Xzibit with his verse. The whole DPG click is here and kinda sounds like a Dogg Pound Gangsta Reuniion
Space Boogie - Kurupt takes a bit of a step back with this as he tries for the commercial tracks and they don't seem to work, he's best when he's spitting that raw gangsta shit like The Hardest Muthafuckas along with Ren and Xzibit and Bring Back That G Shit with Snoop and Goldie. On, Onsite is Kurupt at his best as Fred Wreck drops heat and really is the highlight of the album, a little inconsistent but the Fred beats and Gotti's flow make this a good overall album
Against The Grain - Kurupt's return to Death Row again with mixed results but partly not his fault some of the diss tracks from the album were removed since he reunited back with Daz before the album came out. Delivery wise this is an angry Kurupt and at his best when he spits fire on most of the tracks and the production mostly by Mark Sparks is very dope. A couple of throwaway tracks here and there but overall if it was combined with the tracks that later came out on the EP would probably be his second best album, dope
Same Day, Different Shit - first solo since back with Daz and Gotti spits consistently dope nothing mindblowing but is nice with it, Scrape Thru Tha Hood got much play in the system Gotti brings it lyrically and Daz drops probably his best beat in years along with Nina Breeda which is another dope joint. Gangstas Pt2 I go back and forth on the beat is kinda too much for me drowns out the vocals a little but overall this is a nice album
none of his albums are what I would call whack, maybe Kuruption! the most dissapointing just because of the expectations after the Death Row Kurupt and I think probably his 2 best solo tracks are actually on other albums Started on Last Of Tha Pound Kurupt drops 3 verses of pure crack and Loc'd Out Hood off of Gang Related where this is vintage Death Row Kurupt, as far as guest spots his verse on Got My Mind Made Up probably his best ever and his lines on Don't Stop "finally televised Kurupt, Daz and Nas, lethal with mics like guns, bats and knives" are some his best.
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here's my 2 cents on Kurupt he definitely was the best MC on Death Row and I would put Rage 2nd on that list but somehow after he left his hunger dissapeared maybe a combination of too much drugs and hard living and therefore his skills diminished. I would say from around 1992 up to 1997 he was definitely a top 10 MC I mean he singlehandedly destroyed the haters in NYC who think that we somehow were not lyrically up to their standards with a couple of verses on NY, NY.and unless you are killed before you have the chance Every rapper falls off at some point, he just happened to fall off at the time he was about to go solo but I think Death Row just was sleeping on him because they should of at some point maybe around 1997 released a solo album and then you would've seen the classic that everybody was waiting for. Peace
props on the feedback, yeah a Kurupt solo on Death Row would've definitely been heat
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Props on the review HighEyeCue, that was on point. Nina Breeda is my shit right now in the ride.
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Props on the review HighEyeCue, that was on point. Nina Breeda is my shit right now in the ride.
thanx man, yep Nina Breeda definitely bangs
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well got the idea from the homie D~Nice so here goes
Kuruption! - well Kurupts first solo and as is with most double albums if they were condensed to one would be alot tighter. Actually there are a lot of dope tracks on here kinda like the best and worst of Kurupt. Sounds like his voice is fucked up like he just woke up and recorded some of these tracks, favorite tracks are Fresh where this is straight outta Death Row with the sinister beat from Daz and Gotti spits some dope verses, C-Walk another classic beat which Tray Dee and Slip Capone drop some stellar verses. East Coast Disc contains some of Kurupts best solo tracks It's A Set Up and Game along with a dope freestyle session with Buckshot on Light Shit Up "Life's A Bitch and I love it" dope line by Gotti. This started the era where Kurupt started freestyling his verses
Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha - return to form for Gotti as he returns and delivers his best all around album, classic. Although this is not the Death Row Kurupt lyrically as he freestyled basically most of the album it is still dope as his delivery and flow are refined here and is just ferocious like GM Records stated, Trylogy probably Kurupts best all around freestyle of all time as he spits venom over an orchestrated beat which he rides perfectly, Step Up is another joint where Kurupt spits an amazing freestyled verse although Crooked I actually outshines him and Xzibit with his verse. The whole DPG click is here and kinda sounds like a Dogg Pound Gangsta Reuniion
Space Boogie - Kurupt takes a bit of a step back with this as he tries for the commercial tracks and they don't seem to work, he's best when he's spitting that raw gangsta shit like The Hardest Muthafuckas along with Ren and Xzibit and Bring Back That G Shit with Snoop and Goldie. On, Onsite is Kurupt at his best as Fred Wreck drops heat and really is the highlight of the album, a little inconsistent but the Fred beats and Gotti's flow make this a good overall album
Against The Grain - Kurupt's return to Death Row again with mixed results but partly not his fault some of the diss tracks from the album were removed since he reunited back with Daz before the album came out. Delivery wise this is an angry Kurupt and at his best when he spits fire on most of the tracks and the production mostly by Mark Sparks is very dope. A couple of throwaway tracks here and there but overall if it was combined with the tracks that later came out on the EP would probably be his second best album, dope
Same Day, Different Shit - first solo since back with Daz and Gotti spits consistently dope nothing mindblowing but is nice with it, Scrape Thru Tha Hood got much play in the system Gotti brings it lyrically and Daz drops probably his best beat in years along with Nina Breeda which is another dope joint. Gangstas Pt2 I go back and forth on the beat is kinda too much for me drowns out the vocals a little but overall this is a nice album
none of his albums are what I would call whack, maybe Kuruption! the most dissapointing just because of the expectations after the Death Row Kurupt and I think probably his 2 best solo tracks are actually on other albums Started on Last Of Tha Pound Kurupt drops 3 verses of pure crack and Loc'd Out Hood off of Gang Related where this is vintage Death Row Kurupt, as far as guest spots his verse on Got My Mind Made Up probably his best ever and his lines on Don't Stop "finally televised Kurupt, Daz and Nas, lethal with mics like guns, bats and knives" are some his best.
Props Homie.
On Point, As usual.
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well I just got finished listening to some recent Kurupt stuff that I admit have not checked for him in recent years, I started with Against Tha Grain which I guess was his Death Row album that he recorded when he went back and really was not impressed at all initially I wasn't going to listen to the whole thing but I gave it a chance and maybe 3 or 4 songs that I liked the one with 2Pac never heard that one before, probably the best verses I have heard him spit in a while also
just updating this is actually better than I first thought, absolutely love the production on this sounds very different form the typical Daz beats and Kurupt I thought lyrically he was above average on this one much better than what I heard from him recently he ripped several tracks and I like the guest spots this Eastwood cat can spit, MOP on a West Coast album something that I never thought I'd see, originally I only liked maybe 4 tracks but I have to say at least half the album is dope, only one question to the original thread starter or whoever can answer this who is Kurupt talking about on Deep Dishes?
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Belly feat kurupt- im the man .. good track
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well I just got finished listening to some recent Kurupt stuff that I admit have not checked for him in recent years, I started with Against Tha Grain which I guess was his Death Row album that he recorded when he went back and really was not impressed at all initially I wasn't going to listen to the whole thing but I gave it a chance and maybe 3 or 4 songs that I liked the one with 2Pac never heard that one before, probably the best verses I have heard him spit in a while also
just updating this is actually better than I first thought, absolutely love the production on this sounds very different form the typical Daz beats and Kurupt I thought lyrically he was above average on this one much better than what I heard from him recently he ripped several tracks and I like the guest spots this Eastwood cat can spit, MOP on a West Coast album something that I never thought I'd see, originally I only liked maybe 4 tracks but I have to say at least half the album is dope, only one question to the original thread starter or whoever can answer this who is Kurupt talking about on Deep Dishes?
I think he is dissing copycat rapppers he goes off on DMX, Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Nas basically saying that there is no new Pac or Biggie on the Intro and continues it in Deep Dishes
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well I just got finished listening to some recent Kurupt stuff that I admit have not checked for him in recent years, I started with Against Tha Grain which I guess was his Death Row album that he recorded when he went back and really was not impressed at all initially I wasn't going to listen to the whole thing but I gave it a chance and maybe 3 or 4 songs that I liked the one with 2Pac never heard that one before, probably the best verses I have heard him spit in a while also
just updating this is actually better than I first thought, absolutely love the production on this sounds very different form the typical Daz beats and Kurupt I thought lyrically he was above average on this one much better than what I heard from him recently he ripped several tracks and I like the guest spots this Eastwood cat can spit, MOP on a West Coast album something that I never thought I'd see, originally I only liked maybe 4 tracks but I have to say at least half the album is dope, only one question to the original thread starter or whoever can answer this who is Kurupt talking about on Deep Dishes?
I think he is dissing copycat rapppers he goes off on DMX, Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Nas basically saying that there is no new Pac or Biggie on the Intro and continues it in Deep Dishes
I LUV that track "Speak On It" 8)