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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mellowman on July 18, 2001, 05:39:02 PM
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this is a post i've been wanting to do for a long time. as you know i think dre is the greatest hip hop producer of all time and one of the best in the histoty of music. but in the world of rap there is a number of great producers. here is my favorites and ones i admire(i ranked them). again this is my opinion. i know i forgot some great producers but i think i got most of them.
upcoming prodcuers -
1)fred wreck
2)hi-tek
3)mel-man
4)rockwilder
5)scott storch
6)meech wells
7)mos def
8)ric-rok
fred wreck is without a doubt the best new producer we've seen come out since quik. his style of copying dre's "2001" style is a good thing cause it focuses on live instruments and creativity.fred will eventually broaden his sound. fred plays a lot of instruments and uses an eclectic mix of sounds and music. his upcoming solo album should show the world his unlimited potential and hopefully blow him up. Hi-Tek started slow but has really picked it up. he mixes live instruments with samples and soul. and the lyrics of him and his associates are refreshing. mel-man has been around but still hasn't showed the world what he has. several upcoming projects should give him that chance. wait til you hear what hes been doin. damn!
rocwilder is a dope upcoming producer. seems to be leaning towards pop and established artists too much. unsure about future, but a major talent. scott storch is from the roots/aftermath camp and is doin more and more production. meech wells is getting better and better all the time. mos def is along the lines of hi-tek and the black conscious and positivity movement in rap. he also plays a lot of instruments and is going into rock and altenative stuff. his co producers are dope too. ric-rok has some promise.
current producers - after dre
1)dj quik
2)premo
3)warren g
4)rza
5)outkast production team
6)eric sermon
7)timbaland
8)pete rock
9)mike dean
10)daz
11)battlecat
12)wyclef
13)soopafly
14)cold 187
15)sam sneed
16)swizz beats
17)mannie fresh
18)budda
19)neptunes
20)puffy
i'll post my comments on these 20 on my response
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forgot about Rick Rock ........ he been puttin it down with E40 and alot of bay area artists now hes networking with Jay-Z and beanie sigel. if u wanna know some of his best beats holla.
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i also wanted to mention Sean T ........ he produced those Daz & JT albums......... and Khayree , he produces for mac mall ( very underrated producer)
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Shame on you , you forgot Organized Noize and Muggs >:( ;)
Fredwreck is mad talented no doubt , but i hope he'll find his own way.
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sorry about the faces. not sure why they showed up.
right now quik is second to dre as a producer, with upcomers like fred wreck on his tail. quik has a unique and musical style which i love. more than any producer quik has equaled and surpassed dre on some of his productions. not consistent or innovative enough to hang with dre, but his 5 solo albums are testaments to quik's monster talent. quik and everyone i talk about are good for dre because they put the pressure on him. dre knows if he gets too lazy others may catch up. this pushes dre to innovate and stay a step ahead of everyone else. premo is a legend who continues to amaze. like quik he has perfected his particular style. his track record is amazing. warren g is a personal favorite. mixes samples and live instruments beautifully. now that he's on universal he's prepping what should be a really DOPE upcoming album. when it comes to laidback g-funk warren is the king. rza is another huge talent who helped shape the rejuvination of the east coast. outkast and their producers are really cool, really eclectic, really fresh and clean. eric sermon has been doing it for years and is really back into the groove. "music" with marvin gaye IS the single of the year. timbaland is not a personal favoriite but his track record and talent must be respected. his beat are too computer driven for me, but he still amazes me every now and then. pete rock has slowed down a bit but is still the master of the sample/jazz fusion. mike dean is a white boy who can bring the funk. his productions for rap-a-lot records were great and resulted in millions of sales for the geto boys, scarface, big mike, etc. i've always liked daz as a producer. his strange behavior hurts him. but with mike dean by his side his recent productions are top notch. like daz battlecat is a dre disciple and is putting out a lot of bangin tracks with the "2001"style influence. kinda sounds the same sometimes but still dope and musical. wyclef is raps top guitar player and with jerry wonder by his side they make some dope tracks. soopafly is usually dope and was the brunt of death row delay and release tactics. cold 187 is a dope producer. a little inconsistent but makes some innovative records. wasting his talents at death row remixing catalogue of old dr songs takes away his focus. is suge's new slave producer. his prodcution on tupacs latest may have been a reason for selling less than 2 million copies(was a double album so went triple). could help or kill crooked i. sam sneed was another guy who was abused by suge. they wouldn't release his album or him from his contract. brain tumor slowed him down. thankfully he survived and trying to get back to old form. budda was on track with aftermath but left and fell off the map. glove is another former ruthless and aftermath producer who is very dope and is back producing some hot joints after disappearing for a while. not a fan of swiss beats,mannie fresh or neptunes but i had to respect their talents. puffy would have been much higher up 5 years ago. now his focus on other ventures, stupid use of samples and jacking people's entire beats caused his decline. now he's copying dre and failing. it just shows you how hard it is to do what dre does.
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Oh my god,cant believe yall done forgot DJ UNEEK, he's way betta than most producers up there.
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thanks everyone for mentioning some people i forgot. how could i forget muggs and organized noise ???. thanks braindead. g2, i did put rik-roc on my upcoming producer list. the stupid face may have caused you to miss him. i wanted to mention some old school rap producers who set trends and helped make rap what it is today.
rick rubin - started def jam and may be the most important producer in raps early stages. he's moved on to rock now after he unfairly got dissed by some artists and russell simmons.
grandmaster flash, whodini, and many others i cant take the time to name.
have to mention the legendary bomb squad. unbelievable. bobcat has produced for ll cool j, mc ren and pac. prodej'je from the south central cartel was g funk specialists in the mid 90's.
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keep mentioning the ones i missed!! dj uneek - good catch. ant banks? forgot him. eric b? forgot him
mc eiht /dj slip? forgot them
some more lists-
top 5 producers of all time - all music
no particular order -Dr. Dre, sam cook, quincy jones, sam phillips, phil spector.
some of the best current non-rap producers
teddy riley, moby, rick rubin, bob rock, steve lillywhite, brendon o'brien, glen ballard.
tweeners - jimmy jam, terry lewis /babyface. both of these producers set trends and changed current black music. got stuck in same style and have fallen way off.
one producer i will never put on my list - Rodney Jerkins. only works for stars where he is guaranteed big bucks. takes no chances and doesn't care about anyone but himself. never changes and is always looking for the easy jobs with no risks and guaranteed money.
i know i missed others. sorry if i left yours off the list. keep bringing up producers you like up so others can get turned on to them. peace.
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you did mention mel-man ... is he gonna come out with an album like Fred Wreck? I would cop that the minute it hit the streets.
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Hey Mellow, what are your feelings on Jermaine Dupri? Glad you mentioned Ant Banks eventually:) I agree with a bunch of your points. Thanks for droppin knowledge again. There are alot of talented producers out there.
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in my opinion Saukrates is MAD underrated!... what do you think of his production Mellow?
Peace
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how bout EA Ski, Trackmasters, Jay-E, The Underdogs, Dallas Austin, Jelly Roll, Blaqthoven, E-Swift, DJ Scratch, and DJ Twinz? They made some tight joints before, whats ur opinion on some of the producers?
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Much Knowledge....
Greatly Appreciated.........
And yes...Ant Banks needs to be up there......He brings the funk.........
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What about DJ Pooh? Whats up with him anyways? And also, I felt Damiza on Kurupts album...he's pretty good..
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besides summa the shit yall already said,
i think the underground needs 2 be repped as well........
BROTHA LYNCH HUNG
PHONK BETA
FIRST DEGREE the DE
WAY DEEP
BOSKO
DEVIANT
VERBAL TEK
BALANCE
KHAYREE
TRU MASTER
RAW
DJ SHAREIL
LA CHILL
DOOMSDAY PRODUCTIONS
and 4 known artists:
RZA
ORGANIZED NOIZE
SEAN ELLIOT
BATTLECAT
FRED WREK
EMINEM
SOOPAFLY
DAZ
HI-TEK
MEL MAN
RIC ROK
PETE ROK
JOHNNY J
MATHEMATICS
BUDDA
BINKY
QD III
BOMB SQUAD
ANT BANKS
ERIC SERMON
EARTHTONE 3(OUTKAST)
REDMAN
ROKWILDER
HURT-M-BAD
STUDIO TON
MIKE MOSELY
TONE CAPONE
COLD 187um
PRINCE PAUL
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BIG props for putting Bob Rock on there he's done some tight shit with Metallica
ross robinson did some AMAZING stuff with KoRn's First 2, slipknot's first one, and is responsible for limp bizkit when they were at their best
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Looks like you're naming ALL the producers that did some good tracks. Big Props to the kid that named Brotha Lynch Hung - you simply can't fuk wit him.
If you're puttin in RZA & Mathematics, I'ma remind you of Arabian Knight, John The Baptist, Six July, RNS, Goldfinghaz AND Inspektah Deck (check out his solo everybody!)
But the ones that you REALLY sleep on are
Jay Deeeee
Ali Shaheed
Kamal Fareed
in other words - THE UMMAH!
And for the Dutch people: how can you NOT be fans of Cilvaringz and Moongod Allah - the only peole outside the US that really make some good hiphop?
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2 more for ya, Prodigy of Mobb Deep and Alchemist.
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Under tweeners u could put r. kelly as well
Peace
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devonte is cool too
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Damizza..
Chris "The Glove" Taylor
The Neptunes...just sum I didn't see who need some mention
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on a 'stuff i feel' tip rather than pure skills tip..
Meech always seems to drop stuff i love.
(e.g. Issues. i love that shit)
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DJ Silk/Big Mil/Stealth - I think they go under the name Beatology Productions. did some tight work with Jayo, Kokane, Above The Law, etc
Flawless - best producer you've never heard of, peep the website
Caviar & Overdose - really like a lot of beats this duo have done eg Tha Hood Is Mine
apart from those you mentioned all my favorites. Quik, Battlecat, Daz, Hutch, Fred, DJ Slip, Glove.
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Prince Paul
4th Disciple (He produces a lot of the Wu-Tang Fam stuff)
Yogi (Part of the Bad Boy Camp)
Alchemist
Also I see your list seems to lean to the west for obvious reasons.
Upcoming:
Ayotallah (Produced Mos Def, Tradegy Khadafi etc..)
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DJ Premier is by very fuckin far the dopest Rap producer besides DRE. Followed by Pete Rock, Erick Sermon, DJ Quik... Now, y'all can't hate as much as you want but Timbaland got mad banging and innovative beats (he ain't like Swizz, a repetitive cat...) But out the new dudes, I really feel Rockwilder, Hi Tek, The Alchemist, DJ Scratch, Meech Wells and Havoc of Mobb Deep. I may have forgotten a few others such as The Neptunes (don't think they gonna last though), Just Blaze, EZ Elpee, Bink and maybe some of those NEW Puffy Hitmen who did the sick beats for Shyne joint) but I can't remember ey'body. Some niggaz really try to work hard behind the boards whereas fools like Mannie Fresh keep fuckin around. And I ain't feelin' Fred Wreck as much as y'all or any of those new Snoop producers besides Meech (DOPE) and Battlecat (OK). One...
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out of the east my favs are:
1. dj premo (his stuff with nas expecially)
2. timberland (he seems to be a hit or miss though)
3. dj hi tek (shit on eastsidaz is awesome)
4. alot of peeps tied
but anyway i feel meech too, expecially on last meal
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WESTCOAST:
Battlecat
Rick Rock
Fred Wreck
DJ Quik
Meech Wells
Mel-Man
EAST COAST:
Rockwilder
Alchemist
DJ Scratch
DJ Premier
DOWN SOUTH:
Timbaland
The Neptunes
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Mad Props to the cats who mentioned HAVOC and The Alchemist, 2 underated talents.
DJ Nu-Mark is also tight as hell....
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after looking over my original list i should have never put 4 out of those last cats on the list(puff,neptunes, mannie fresh,swiss beats). i respect their talents but...some cats i forgot are much better than those 4 in my opinion. here are some more added to my list. some have already been mentioned by others. some are basically out of the game but were great back when they were hittin:
E-A Ski - (on way to being up with quik but label problems have killed a career that once seemed destined for greatness)
muggs
dj uneek
qdIII
prince paul
e-swift
saukrates
sir jinx
dj pooh
alchemist
organized noize/earthtone - la reid -oukast team
dangerous crew-ant banks, too short, shorty
havoc of mobb deep
easy mo bee
johnny j
kay gee
dallas austin
live squad
redman
paris
mike mosely
n.o. joe
kay-gee
egypt e/dope e a.k.a. the terrorists
jermaine dupree
tim and bob
larry smith (run dmc -whodini)
eminem
yella
mc ren - check out cpo's ruthless joint (esp. ballad of a menace)
jermaine dupree
2 non rap producers i forgot - trent reznor- beck
i'll leave the foreign producers up to the people that know them. and i hear so many underground joints by cats i don't take the time to find out who most are. hopefully y'all caught some. i know i probably forgot some people but i need to move on to other topics. peace.
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Hell yeah Beck , i'm a fan since "Mellow Gold", Trent Reznor well , that dude is a genius ,(and a hip hop fan) and one of the most consistent musician in the music industry.
Don't forget The Bomb Squad and Marley Marl.
Fear Of A Black Planet and Mama Said Knock You Out are still in current rotation in my cd player.
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i should have never put 4 out of those last cats on the list(puff,neptunes, mannie fresh,swiss beats). i respect their talents but...some cats i forgot are much better than those 4 in my opinion.
Mos definitely