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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Laconic on October 26, 2007, 07:44:35 PM
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Just some more info for whoever gives a shit. Peace 8)
Within the realm of the underworld to be made means to be accepted as a man among men, someone with respect, honor and above all clout. A made man is someone whose street credibility cannot be questioned nor his authority challenged. He is untouchable. Within the realm of hip hop only a select few can boast of having an impeccable rep as both a great lyricist and a real live stand up guy. Such a man is Rap-A-Lot Mafia reputed under boss and the undisputed lyrical Don of the South Scarface whose latest album aptly entitled Made promises to be his best album to date.
“When it comes to this rap game I’m untouchable,” says a confident Scarface when asked about his new album. “I’m a made man in this shit. That’s why I called it Made.”
What makes Scarface a made man in the rap game is his aggressive flow, poetic lyrics combined with his ability to weave compelling stories that literally paint a picture right before your eyes. He is a seasoned veteran with over ten years of dropping classic records like Mr. Scarface Is Back, The World Is Mine, The Diary, Untouchable and the Fix under his belt. His albums are considered classics by rap aficionados and influenced many of today’s hip hop stars.
Born Brad Jordan and raised in Houston’s infamous South Park neighborhood, Scarface began his illustrious career under the moniker DJ Akshen in 1988 as a member of the legendary Geto Boys, debuting on the GB’s classic Grip It On that Other Level. As DJ Akshen, Face dropped an underground single called “Scarface” which helped usher in a new era in hip hop. But it was his work as a solo artist that really made people recognize that Face was a force to be reckoned with. Two years later he solidified his reputation for churning out deep thought-provoking lyrics with the classic Geto Boys’ tune that illustrating the pitfalls of street life “Mind Playing Tricks on Me.” Described by the Source as “five of the most chilling moments in hip hop,” the tune became an instant classic, placing Scarface, the Geto Boys and Rap-a-Lot Records on the world stage.
While Face’s work with the Geto Boys was the catalyst of his luminous career, it is his work as a solo artist that has given him the most accolades as a rapper. In fact, his solo discography reads like a litany of classic hip hop albums with each one going no less than gold and two of them (The Diary and The Fix) winning the Source Magazine’s coveted five mic status. According to Face, Made is his best effort to date.”
“I grew up in a time when artists were making complete albums. Public Enemy put out complete albums, Boogie Down Productions put out complete albums, Eric B. & Rakim put out whole albums. Back then you could buy a rap record and just let it play. You didn’t have to worry about skipping a record or two or three because they were whack. The whole album was jamming. Nowadays a rapper gets one or two radio hits and throws an album together. What I try to do when I go into the studio is make complete albums.”
And Made, Face’s eleventh album, is indeed the most complete album of his career. Produced by Mike Dean, NO Joe, John Bido, Tone Capone, Knottz, Mr. Lee, Enigma and Face himself there’s literally not a bad song on Made.
Lyrically Scarface is still as strong as ever dropping potent lyrics such as the ones found on “Neva,” “On My Shit,” the blazing lead single “Love You” and the explosive title tune. With songs like these plus a slew of others, Made gives Scarface fans what they have come to expect from the Don of the South, straight up hardcore reality rap, rooted in the experiences of a seasoned vet who has been there, done that and still can’t be touched!
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dope shit 8)
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If all the songs are on the same caliber as "Never" or "Girl U Know" then it will be another classic for Facemob.
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Production by Tone Capone :o :o !! I hope it's the dope ass '95-'97 Capone with assistance from Mike Dean.
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If all the songs are on the same caliber as "Never" or "Girl U Know" then it will be another classic for Facemob.
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Can't wait for it judging by that track that leaked "never" it's going to be a good album
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great, so..the single is a track called "love you" and not that boss track?!
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tyyte imma checck itt outt
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Production by Tone Capone :o :o !! I hope it's the dope ass '95-'97 Capone with assistance from Mike Dean.
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
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^that's a dope cover
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originally it was reported dr dre would be producing on the album. surprisingly doesn't seem that'll be happening ;0
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I have already put my order in at CD universe,this should be dope you all know where to find the 3 tracks that has already leaked from;
Scarface; Made
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God damn that is a sick cover. Godfather of the South is back yall.
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face is the greatest in the south of all time easily
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originally it was reported dr dre would be producing on the album. surprisingly doesn't seem that'll be happening ;0
Thank god that info was "fake",I hate those all the "hot" producer and features albums.
I´m more than happy that he kept it in house with Rap-A-Lot.
....and yeah the cover is mad dope.
Rap-A-Lot has to have one of the most underrated production crews in hip hop. IMO the best in the South. If not then I would say Organized Noize but those 2 are head and shoulders above other producers in the South.
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originally it was reported dr dre would be producing on the album. surprisingly doesn't seem that'll be happening ;0
Thank god that info was "fake",I hate those all the "hot" producer and features albums.
I´m more than happy that he kept it in house with Rap-A-Lot.
....and yeah the cover is mad dope.
Rap-A-Lot has to have one of the most underrated production crews in hip hop.
IMO the best in the South.
If not then I would say Organized Noize but those 2 are head and shoulders above other producers in the South.
Hell yeah,but what Organized Noize is really good at is mixing,damn their mixing is out of this world.
When it comes to Rap-A-Lot it´s a shame they ain´t reconized,they can some how blame themself since they sometimes don´t print credits properly. .....And fuck how do everybody sleep on Scarface´s production skills? Damn,have you all checked out FaceMob?
OOOOOHHHH WEEEE,he produced the whole joint,shit is fire. John Bido,Mike Dean and Mike B etc. is all dope people wake up!
No doubt, Brad ain't no joke on them boards. The 1st Facemob album is a classic. I like his beats on the new UGK album also and on the Untouchable. The only peeps that seem to be up on RAL beats is Swishahouse. Mr. Lee did almost all the beats for Paul Wall's last album.
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cant wait for this shit
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originally it was reported dr dre would be producing on the album. surprisingly doesn't seem that'll be happening ;0
Thank god that info was "fake",I hate those all the "hot" producer and features albums.
I´m more than happy that he kept it in house with Rap-A-Lot.
....and yeah the cover is mad dope.
Rap-A-Lot has to have one of the most underrated production crews in hip hop.
IMO the best in the South.
If not then I would say Organized Noize but those 2 are head and shoulders above other producers in the South.
Hell yeah,but what Organized Noize is really good at is mixing,damn their mixing is out of this world.
When it comes to Rap-A-Lot it´s a shame they ain´t reconized,they can some how blame themself since they sometimes don´t print credits properly. .....And fuck how do everybody sleep on Scarface´s production skills? Damn,have you all checked out FaceMob?
OOOOOHHHH WEEEE,he produced the whole joint,shit is fire. John Bido,Mike Dean and Mike B etc. is all dope people wake up!
No doubt, Brad ain't no joke on them boards. The 1st Facemob album is a classic.
I like his beats on the new UGK album also and on the Untouchable.
The only peeps that seem to be up on RAL beats is Swishahouse. Mr. Lee did almost all the beats for Paul Wall's last album.
Mr.Lee is fairly "new" in the Rap-A-Lot family,when did he come around? 98?
I have not heard the last Paul Wall I belive,damn I get so confused with all these albums dropping.
Yeah,the second FaceMob album is a mystery.
I asked Devin about this,he actually didn´t know about it before he saw it in the record stores.
Mike B is helping out Trinity Garden Cartel,with their label. But they´re affiliated with Rap-A-Lot so that doesn´t really count.
same with Mike Dean with Sherm and his Dean´s list label.
Off course Cube and Daz has enlisted Mike Dean´s skills but that´s about it.
Outlawz after Pac died did alot of work with Mike Dean and RAL. Mr. Lee has been around at least since 96 or so. Slim Thug and I think Mike Jones have also had Mr. Lee beats on their albums. N.O. Joe is dope as fuck also. Love his work on Cube's War Disc.
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
i think you're forgetting how sales work these days
im not hating, this scarface album will be dope, he's the greatest ever in the south, and 2nd greatest all time IMO...but this cd will likely flop
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
i think you're forgetting how sales work these days
im not hating, this scarface album will be dope, he's the greatest ever in the south, and 2nd greatest all time IMO...but this cd will likely flop
No, it's you who doesn't understand how sales work these days. You believe what some no talent dick at a record label tells you is "hot". Record industry sales are down because the mainstream product is largely CRAP. A major contributor to this phenomenon is the fact that the retards at the labels bleed and milk any trend / artist / producer out there until everyone is so tired of them that they are effectively useless. They try and get these features in order to sell their product because their product can't stand on it's own. Most albums today are really compilations, with dozens of features and random producers which give the album no cohesion. It's not really an album, just a bunch of random shit packaged together
Face is using a lot of inhouse production vs. big name shit, so he saves lots of money there. He writes his own shit. Hell he produces shit himself. His quality is never questioned because he's been in the game for so long and his record speaks for itself. I don't think I know of anyone that calls Face wack.
You say this album will flop? What is your definition of flop? Have the rest of Face's albums been flops?
In your mind, you think an album is successful if it has a strong first week debut, ie propped up by some super over popped out single. Good for you. I don't judge quality albums by what they push in their first week, nor if goes platinum.
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
i think you're forgetting how sales work these days
im not hating, this scarface album will be dope, he's the greatest ever in the south, and 2nd greatest all time IMO...but this cd will likely flop
No, it's you who doesn't understand how sales work these days. You believe what some no talent dick at a record label tells you is "hot". Record industry sales are down because the mainstream product is largely CRAP. A major contributor to this phenomenon is the fact that the retards at the labels bleed and milk any trend / artist / producer out there until everyone is so tired of them that they are effectively useless. They try and get these features in order to sell their product because their product can't stand on it's own. Most albums today are really compilations, with dozens of features and random producers which give the album no cohesion. It's not really an album, just a bunch of random shit packaged together
Face is using a lot of inhouse production vs. big name shit, so he saves lots of money there. He writes his own shit. Hell he produces shit himself. His quality is never questioned because he's been in the game for so long and his record speaks for itself. I don't think I know of anyone that calls Face wack.
You say this album will flop? What is your definition of flop? Have the rest of Face's albums been flops?
In your mind, you think an album is successful if it has a strong first week debut, ie propped up by some super over popped out single. Good for you. I don't judge quality albums by what they push in their first week, nor if goes platinum.
don't ever say i believe what a no talent dick at a record label tells me, because aside from T.i you don't know my fucking taste in music..besides T.i my favorite artists include:
Cube
Face
WC
Warren G
Xzibit
does it look like i give a fuck about what the labels try 2 tell me?
i don't believe that shit, look at the fuckin numbers as of late genius
who has sold records? T.I, Luda, Jeezy, Joc, Rick Ross etc...now before u go all fucking crazy on me let me say in CAPITALS THAT I DO NOT, DO NOT THINK SALES = QUALITY
most rappers write there own shit, but u got a point on the production tip
nor was UGK's quality questioned, and did there new album sell a lot of copies? don't get me wrong, it's a great album, but it'll be lucky 2 crawl 2 gold...same goes for common...and even talib kweli
no, if anyone ever called face wack, they deserve to certified mildly retarded
my definition of flop - a mainstream album that is not certified gold
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
i think you're forgetting how sales work these days
im not hating, this scarface album will be dope, he's the greatest ever in the south, and 2nd greatest all time IMO...but this cd will likely flop
No, it's you who doesn't understand how sales work these days. You believe what some no talent dick at a record label tells you is "hot". Record industry sales are down because the mainstream product is largely CRAP. A major contributor to this phenomenon is the fact that the retards at the labels bleed and milk any trend / artist / producer out there until everyone is so tired of them that they are effectively useless. They try and get these features in order to sell their product because their product can't stand on it's own. Most albums today are really compilations, with dozens of features and random producers which give the album no cohesion. It's not really an album, just a bunch of random shit packaged together
Face is using a lot of inhouse production vs. big name shit, so he saves lots of money there. He writes his own shit. Hell he produces shit himself. His quality is never questioned because he's been in the game for so long and his record speaks for itself. I don't think I know of anyone that calls Face wack.
You say this album will flop? What is your definition of flop? Have the rest of Face's albums been flops?
In your mind, you think an album is successful if it has a strong first week debut, ie propped up by some super over popped out single. Good for you. I don't judge quality albums by what they push in their first week, nor if goes platinum.
i don't believe that shit, look at the fuckin numbers as of late genius
who has sold records? T.I, Luda, Jeezy, Joc, Rick Ross etc...now before u go all fucking crazy on me let me say in CAPITALS THAT I DO NOT, DO NOT THINK SALES = QUALITY
most rappers write there own shit, but u got a point on the production tip
nor was UGK's quality questioned, and did there new album sell a lot of copies? don't get me wrong, it's a great album, but it'll be lucky 2 crawl 2 gold...same goes for common...and even talib kweli
no, if anyone ever called face wack, they deserve to certified mildly retarded
my definition of flop - a mainstream album that is not certified gold
Damn, touched a nerve huh? Gettin a little defensive there homeboy...
Let me ask you a question - Would you rather own a business that has $1,000,000 in sales and yet has net losses of $100,000 or a company that has $300,000 in sales and has a net profit of $75,000? People get caught up in sales like they mean something. When Ice Cube dropped Laugh Now Cry Later, he went gold and that was an independant release. You know how much money he caked up by doing that? These cats on the mainstream labels often have to go multiplat before they even break even.
So I don't get how sales determine if an album flops. You believe that cause that's what these fucks at record labels spew to the general public. It used to be a very common occurance for albums to sell more and more as time went on - gaining strength off of quality singles but even more than that word of mouth. Albums would go DIAMOND - 10x platinum, stay on the charts for YEARS.
But the execs changed their business model. Actually, the record industry has been overtaken by douchbags in ties that think that they can manufacture music like they can manufacture cars off an assembly line. They don't fundamentally understand music AT ALL. It's now that all they care about is first week debut, they often don't release more than a couple of super contrived singles, the album falls off the charts in 4 weeks, and they repeat that process with the next flavor of the week shit. Thier plan is to churn and burn through artists with the hope that one will blow than it is putting a lot of time and effort into perfecting the music. Then again, most of these mainstream cats aren't musicians anyway, they're just exploiting the game and not bringing anything to the table.
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
i think you're forgetting how sales work these days
im not hating, this scarface album will be dope, he's the greatest ever in the south, and 2nd greatest all time IMO...but this cd will likely flop
No, it's you who doesn't understand how sales work these days. You believe what some no talent dick at a record label tells you is "hot". Record industry sales are down because the mainstream product is largely CRAP. A major contributor to this phenomenon is the fact that the retards at the labels bleed and milk any trend / artist / producer out there until everyone is so tired of them that they are effectively useless. They try and get these features in order to sell their product because their product can't stand on it's own. Most albums today are really compilations, with dozens of features and random producers which give the album no cohesion. It's not really an album, just a bunch of random shit packaged together
Face is using a lot of inhouse production vs. big name shit, so he saves lots of money there. He writes his own shit. Hell he produces shit himself. His quality is never questioned because he's been in the game for so long and his record speaks for itself. I don't think I know of anyone that calls Face wack.
You say this album will flop? What is your definition of flop? Have the rest of Face's albums been flops?
In your mind, you think an album is successful if it has a strong first week debut, ie propped up by some super over popped out single. Good for you. I don't judge quality albums by what they push in their first week, nor if goes platinum.
i don't believe that shit, look at the fuckin numbers as of late genius
who has sold records? T.I, Luda, Jeezy, Joc, Rick Ross etc...now before u go all fucking crazy on me let me say in CAPITALS THAT I DO NOT, DO NOT THINK SALES = QUALITY
most rappers write there own shit, but u got a point on the production tip
nor was UGK's quality questioned, and did there new album sell a lot of copies? don't get me wrong, it's a great album, but it'll be lucky 2 crawl 2 gold...same goes for common...and even talib kweli
no, if anyone ever called face wack, they deserve to certified mildly retarded
my definition of flop - a mainstream album that is not certified gold
Damn, touched a nerve huh? Gettin a little defensive there homeboy...
Let me ask you a question - Would you rather own a business that has $1,000,000 in sales and yet has net losses of $100,000 or a company that has $300,000 in sales and has a net profit of $75,000? People get caught up in sales like they mean something. When Ice Cube dropped Laugh Now Cry Later, he went gold and that was an independant release. You know how much money he caked up by doing that? These cats on the mainstream labels often have to go multiplat before they even break even.
So I don't get how sales determine if an album flops. You believe that cause that's what these fucks at record labels spew to the general public. It used to be a very common occurance for albums to sell more and more as time went on - gaining strength off of quality singles but even more than that word of mouth. Albums would go DIAMOND - 10x platinum, stay on the charts for YEARS.
But the execs changed their business model. Actually, the record industry has been overtaken by douchbags in ties that think that they can manufacture music like they can manufacture cars off an assembly line. They don't fundamentally understand music AT ALL. It's now that all they care about is first week debut, they often don't release more than a couple of super contrived singles, the album falls off the charts in 4 weeks, and they repeat that process with the next flavor of the week shit. Thier plan is to churn and burn through artists with the hope that one will blow than it is putting a lot of time and effort into perfecting the music. Then again, most of these mainstream cats aren't musicians anyway, they're just exploiting the game and not bringing anything to the table.
yea touched a nerve because u was talkin like soulja boy, joc, d4l, and shit are my favorite groups?? and why? because T.i is my fav artist or because im young? quite the generalization :-\
difference is cube dropped that independently, and i don't think face is doing that
i know that was common, but times have changed (sadly)
yea that's exactly what's goin on, and it sucks
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
i think you're forgetting how sales work these days
im not hating, this scarface album will be dope, he's the greatest ever in the south, and 2nd greatest all time IMO...but this cd will likely flop
No, it's you who doesn't understand how sales work these days. You believe what some no talent dick at a record label tells you is "hot". Record industry sales are down because the mainstream product is largely CRAP. A major contributor to this phenomenon is the fact that the retards at the labels bleed and milk any trend / artist / producer out there until everyone is so tired of them that they are effectively useless. They try and get these features in order to sell their product because their product can't stand on it's own. Most albums today are really compilations, with dozens of features and random producers which give the album no cohesion. It's not really an album, just a bunch of random shit packaged together
Face is using a lot of inhouse production vs. big name shit, so he saves lots of money there. He writes his own shit. Hell he produces shit himself. His quality is never questioned because he's been in the game for so long and his record speaks for itself. I don't think I know of anyone that calls Face wack.
You say this album will flop? What is your definition of flop? Have the rest of Face's albums been flops?
In your mind, you think an album is successful if it has a strong first week debut, ie propped up by some super over popped out single. Good for you. I don't judge quality albums by what they push in their first week, nor if goes platinum.
i don't believe that shit, look at the fuckin numbers as of late genius
who has sold records? T.I, Luda, Jeezy, Joc, Rick Ross etc...now before u go all fucking crazy on me let me say in CAPITALS THAT I DO NOT, DO NOT THINK SALES = QUALITY
most rappers write there own shit, but u got a point on the production tip
nor was UGK's quality questioned, and did there new album sell a lot of copies? don't get me wrong, it's a great album, but it'll be lucky 2 crawl 2 gold...same goes for common...and even talib kweli
no, if anyone ever called face wack, they deserve to certified mildly retarded
my definition of flop - a mainstream album that is not certified gold
Damn, touched a nerve huh? Gettin a little defensive there homeboy...
Let me ask you a question - Would you rather own a business that has $1,000,000 in sales and yet has net losses of $100,000 or a company that has $300,000 in sales and has a net profit of $75,000? People get caught up in sales like they mean something. When Ice Cube dropped Laugh Now Cry Later, he went gold and that was an independant release. You know how much money he caked up by doing that? These cats on the mainstream labels often have to go multiplat before they even break even.
So I don't get how sales determine if an album flops. You believe that cause that's what these fucks at record labels spew to the general public. It used to be a very common occurance for albums to sell more and more as time went on - gaining strength off of quality singles but even more than that word of mouth. Albums would go DIAMOND - 10x platinum, stay on the charts for YEARS.
But the execs changed their business model. Actually, the record industry has been overtaken by douchbags in ties that think that they can manufacture music like they can manufacture cars off an assembly line. They don't fundamentally understand music AT ALL. It's now that all they care about is first week debut, they often don't release more than a couple of super contrived singles, the album falls off the charts in 4 weeks, and they repeat that process with the next flavor of the week shit. Thier plan is to churn and burn through artists with the hope that one will blow than it is putting a lot of time and effort into perfecting the music. Then again, most of these mainstream cats aren't musicians anyway, they're just exploiting the game and not bringing anything to the table.
yea touched a nerve because u was talkin like soulja boy, joc, d4l, and shit are my favorite groups?? and why? because T.i is my fav artist or because im young? quite the generalization :-\
difference is cube dropped that independently, and i don't think face is doing that
i know that was common, but times have changed (sadly)
yea that's exactly what's goin on, and it sucks
When did I say anything about soulja boy, d4l, etc.? And when did I say those were your favorite groups? My post was in response that you support putting wayne and ti on the lead single because that's the way the industry is now. I'm saying that's bullshit, and fuck going that route because some asshole exec thinks thats the way to sell records. Propagating that mentality fucks the game for worse. It's that mentality and the lack of any independant thought (for the most part) by the mainstream artists for the game being as fucked up and sales being so far down.
I'd argue that illegal downloading is the greatest thing that ever happened to these execs. It gives them a great excuse for them having NO IDEA how to effectively market music. They have that as their scapegoat. But look at the porn industry, illegal downloading hasn't fucked w/ that a bit.
The mainstream rap game is so incredibly shitty and it's executives fault, and also that many of the indies have been acquired / absorbed by the big dogs, so there is really no difference. They're all owned by one or two massive conglomerates so you don't have the access to the free market for true indies. Ironically, the internet will ultimately bring these indies to life because they don't get the access via payola that the mainstreamers do on video / radio.
It's just a matter of time before there are no more major labels and I can't wait for that day. Hip Hop won't suck nearly as much.
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yea a little confusion over the single, i thought it was big dogg status..in terms of moving records, i think that would be the smart choice since Tip & Wayne are on it
Scarface has been in the game for almost 20 years. He doesn't need Wayne and TI to move units.
i think you're forgetting how sales work these days
im not hating, this scarface album will be dope, he's the greatest ever in the south, and 2nd greatest all time IMO...but this cd will likely flop
No, it's you who doesn't understand how sales work these days. You believe what some no talent dick at a record label tells you is "hot". Record industry sales are down because the mainstream product is largely CRAP. A major contributor to this phenomenon is the fact that the retards at the labels bleed and milk any trend / artist / producer out there until everyone is so tired of them that they are effectively useless. They try and get these features in order to sell their product because their product can't stand on it's own. Most albums today are really compilations, with dozens of features and random producers which give the album no cohesion. It's not really an album, just a bunch of random shit packaged together
Face is using a lot of inhouse production vs. big name shit, so he saves lots of money there. He writes his own shit. Hell he produces shit himself. His quality is never questioned because he's been in the game for so long and his record speaks for itself. I don't think I know of anyone that calls Face wack.
You say this album will flop? What is your definition of flop? Have the rest of Face's albums been flops?
In your mind, you think an album is successful if it has a strong first week debut, ie propped up by some super over popped out single. Good for you. I don't judge quality albums by what they push in their first week, nor if goes platinum.
i don't believe that shit, look at the fuckin numbers as of late genius
who has sold records? T.I, Luda, Jeezy, Joc, Rick Ross etc...now before u go all fucking crazy on me let me say in CAPITALS THAT I DO NOT, DO NOT THINK SALES = QUALITY
most rappers write there own shit, but u got a point on the production tip
nor was UGK's quality questioned, and did there new album sell a lot of copies? don't get me wrong, it's a great album, but it'll be lucky 2 crawl 2 gold...same goes for common...and even talib kweli
no, if anyone ever called face wack, they deserve to certified mildly retarded
my definition of flop - a mainstream album that is not certified gold
Damn, touched a nerve huh? Gettin a little defensive there homeboy...
Let me ask you a question - Would you rather own a business that has $1,000,000 in sales and yet has net losses of $100,000 or a company that has $300,000 in sales and has a net profit of $75,000? People get caught up in sales like they mean something. When Ice Cube dropped Laugh Now Cry Later, he went gold and that was an independant release. You know how much money he caked up by doing that? These cats on the mainstream labels often have to go multiplat before they even break even.
So I don't get how sales determine if an album flops. You believe that cause that's what these fucks at record labels spew to the general public. It used to be a very common occurance for albums to sell more and more as time went on - gaining strength off of quality singles but even more than that word of mouth. Albums would go DIAMOND - 10x platinum, stay on the charts for YEARS.
But the execs changed their business model. Actually, the record industry has been overtaken by douchbags in ties that think that they can manufacture music like they can manufacture cars off an assembly line. They don't fundamentally understand music AT ALL. It's now that all they care about is first week debut, they often don't release more than a couple of super contrived singles, the album falls off the charts in 4 weeks, and they repeat that process with the next flavor of the week shit. Thier plan is to churn and burn through artists with the hope that one will blow than it is putting a lot of time and effort into perfecting the music. Then again, most of these mainstream cats aren't musicians anyway, they're just exploiting the game and not bringing anything to the table.
yea touched a nerve because u was talkin like soulja boy, joc, d4l, and shit are my favorite groups?? and why? because T.i is my fav artist or because im young? quite the generalization :-\
difference is cube dropped that independently, and i don't think face is doing that
i know that was common, but times have changed (sadly)
yea that's exactly what's goin on, and it sucks
When did I say anything about soulja boy, d4l, etc.? And when did I say those were your favorite groups? My post was in response that you support putting wayne and ti on the lead single because that's the way the industry is now. I'm saying that's bullshit, and fuck going that route because some asshole exec thinks thats the way to sell records. Propagating that mentality fucks the game for worse. It's that mentality and the lack of any independant thought (for the most part) by the mainstream artists for the game being as fucked up and sales being so far down.
I'd argue that illegal downloading is the greatest thing that ever happened to these execs. It gives them a great excuse for them having NO IDEA how to effectively market music. They have that as their scapegoat. But look at the porn industry, illegal downloading hasn't fucked w/ that a bit.
The mainstream rap game is so incredibly shitty and it's executives fault, and also that many of the indies have been acquired / absorbed by the big dogs, so there is really no difference. They're all owned by one or two massive conglomerates so you don't have the access to the free market for true indies. Ironically, the internet will ultimately bring these indies to life because they don't get the access via payola that the mainstreamers do on video / radio.
It's just a matter of time before there are no more major labels and I can't wait for that day. Hip Hop won't suck nearly as much.
i used those names as examples
not just because that's what some no dick label tells me, it's not like the T.i/Wayne song is crap :-\
true
i personally can't see they're ever not being any majors, but hey will see
i guess it's just one of those things that i won't believe until it happens
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originally it was reported dr dre would be producing on the album. surprisingly doesn't seem that'll be happening ;0
Thank god that info was "fake",I hate those all the "hot" producer and features albums.
I´m more than happy that he kept it in house with Rap-A-Lot.
....and yeah the cover is mad dope.
Rap-A-Lot has to have one of the most underrated production crews in hip hop.
IMO the best in the South.
If not then I would say Organized Noize but those 2 are head and shoulders above other producers in the South.
Hell yeah,but what Organized Noize is really good at is mixing,damn their mixing is out of this world.
When it comes to Rap-A-Lot it´s a shame they ain´t reconized,they can some how blame themself since they sometimes don´t print credits properly. .....And fuck how do everybody sleep on Scarface´s production skills? Damn,have you all checked out FaceMob?
OOOOOHHHH WEEEE,he produced the whole joint,shit is fire. John Bido,Mike Dean and Mike B etc. is all dope people wake up!
No doubt, Brad ain't no joke on them boards. The 1st Facemob album is a classic.
I like his beats on the new UGK album also and on the Untouchable.
The only peeps that seem to be up on RAL beats is Swishahouse. Mr. Lee did almost all the beats for Paul Wall's last album.
Mr.Lee is fairly "new" in the Rap-A-Lot family,when did he come around? 98?
I have not heard the last Paul Wall I belive,damn I get so confused with all these albums dropping.
Yeah,the second FaceMob album is a mystery.
I asked Devin about this,he actually didn´t know about it before he saw it in the record stores.
Mike B is helping out Trinity Garden Cartel,with their label. But they´re affiliated with Rap-A-Lot so that doesn´t really count.
same with Mike Dean with Sherm and his Dean´s list label.
Off course Cube and Daz has enlisted Mike Dean´s skills but that´s about it.
Outlawz after Pac died did alot of work with Mike Dean and RAL.
Mr. Lee has been around at least since 96 or so.
Slim Thug and I think Mike Jones have also had Mr. Lee beats on their albums.
N.O. Joe is dope as fuck also. Love his work on Cube's War Disc.
Sure I "forgot" to mention N.O Joe but you know I love his shit,it´s those Rap-A-Lot booklets that´s sloppy with their credits,
that makes us over look these dudes. Cat´s like you and me know what´s up,but they don´t get reconized by the masses.
About Mr.Lee I´m sure you´re right if you say so,time fly´s by so fast that it´s hard to keep track. :D
....and I got to give props to Cube for reaching out to the Rap-A-Lot in house producers.
So true. Now that I think about it, LL Cool J also used N.O. Joe on The Definition also. Mr. Lee compared to the Bidos, Deans and Joes is the newcomer though, very true.
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I don't base shit on sales anymore. People are so clueless on music I don't even bother referring people to shit hardly anymore. Unless they are true fans and are open to it. I knew times were changing back when Last Of A Dying Breed was out and Yung Wun from Ruff Ryders was out and I was working at FYE. I recommended Scarface's album to him being that it was the South and it is a classic album IMO. He swore up and down he was wack and Yung Wun was better. I was like well Yung worked with Face on RR Vol 2 so I think it's all good. His homeboy was like I don't know much about Face, but dude is a vet in the game. I played him For What and he was blown away.
See that is the problem, lack of knowledge with alot of fans on the artists before their favorites. Who do you think the Lil Wayne's and Ludas and TI's listen to before they shit? But with most people talking about Scarface is like talking to a brick wall so I personally would like to see MADE do numbers but I know Face is going to give me a Face approved, certified banger like he always does so I don't care if I was the only one to buy it. I know I am getting quality material.
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I don't base shit on sales anymore. People are so clueless on music I don't even bother referring people to shit. I knew times were changing back when Last Of A Dying Breed was out and Yung Wun from Ruff Ryders was out and I was working at FYE. I recommended Scarface's album to him being that it was the South and it is a classic album IMO. He swore up and down he was wack and Yung Wun was better. I was like well Yung worked with Face on RR Vol 2 so I think it's all good. His homeboy was like I don't know much about Face, but dude is a vet in the game. I played him For What and he was blown away.
See that is the problem, lack of knowledge with alot of fans on the artists before their favorites. Who do you think the Lil Wayne's and Ludas and TI's listen to before they shit? But with most people talking about Scarface is like talking to a brick wall so I personally would like to see MADE do numbers but I know Face is going to give me a Face approved, certified banger like he always does so I don't care if I was the only one to buy it. I know I am getting quality material.
i also think it's gon be quality
i was just saying if sales are partly his goal (which i think is always the case if you go with a major) the T.i/Wayne track is his best chance...
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RAL have had dope bests poppin since back in the day! Blak Monks, Big Mello, 5th Ward Boyz etc etc etc.
Scarface shits on everything from the south RAL should get more props than they do!!
Can't wait, I been down wit Face since I first heard him in bout 93' and his new shit is always on point!!
The work he did wit The Product was top notch and a great album also.
Peace
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I don't base shit on sales anymore. People are so clueless on music I don't even bother referring people to shit. I knew times were changing back when Last Of A Dying Breed was out and Yung Wun from Ruff Ryders was out and I was working at FYE. I recommended Scarface's album to him being that it was the South and it is a classic album IMO. He swore up and down he was wack and Yung Wun was better. I was like well Yung worked with Face on RR Vol 2 so I think it's all good. His homeboy was like I don't know much about Face, but dude is a vet in the game. I played him For What and he was blown away.
See that is the problem, lack of knowledge with alot of fans on the artists before their favorites. Who do you think the Lil Wayne's and Ludas and TI's listen to before they shit? But with most people talking about Scarface is like talking to a brick wall so I personally would like to see MADE do numbers but I know Face is going to give me a Face approved, certified banger like he always does so I don't care if I was the only one to buy it. I know I am getting quality material.
i also think it's gon be quality
i was just saying if sales are partly his goal (which i think is always the case if you go with a major) the T.i/Wayne track is his best chance...
Oh I don't doubt what you are saying, it is just that now quality shit no matter how dope it is, is going over people's heads and is not selling. This is a single and IPod driven society. To appreciate good music for most you gotta chill and vibe to that shit. People don't have the time and would rather burn it anyway. Even if Face was at a label that was really pushing his album, it still would not do big numbers. Why? Because Face's music goes over alot of people's head. Not his fault, but ya can't get your Superman dance on and supersoak that hoe or whatever the fuck is going on now.
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I don't base shit on sales anymore. People are so clueless on music I don't even bother referring people to shit. I knew times were changing back when Last Of A Dying Breed was out and Yung Wun from Ruff Ryders was out and I was working at FYE. I recommended Scarface's album to him being that it was the South and it is a classic album IMO. He swore up and down he was wack and Yung Wun was better. I was like well Yung worked with Face on RR Vol 2 so I think it's all good. His homeboy was like I don't know much about Face, but dude is a vet in the game. I played him For What and he was blown away.
See that is the problem, lack of knowledge with alot of fans on the artists before their favorites. Who do you think the Lil Wayne's and Ludas and TI's listen to before they shit? But with most people talking about Scarface is like talking to a brick wall so I personally would like to see MADE do numbers but I know Face is going to give me a Face approved, certified banger like he always does so I don't care if I was the only one to buy it. I know I am getting quality material.
i also think it's gon be quality
i was just saying if sales are partly his goal (which i think is always the case if you go with a major) the T.i/Wayne track is his best chance...
Oh I don't doubt what you are saying, it is just that now quality shit no matter how dope it is, is going over people's heads and is not selling. This is a single and IPod driven society. To appreciate good music for most you gotta chill and vibe to that shit. People don't have the time and would rather burn it anyway. Even if Face was at a label that was really pushing his album, it still would not do big numbers. Why? Because Face's music goes over alot of people's head. Not his fault, but ya can't get your Superman dance on and supersoak that hoe or whatever the fuck is going on now.
true that dog
that is true..i can't lie, i enjoy 2 hear when my favorite artists sell a decent amount of records, but clearly that doesn't affect my opinion on an artist, as most of favs aren't exactly high selling artists (at all)
exactly what im saying, but if he's gonna try (which he is) drop a single with some big names YET also good artists on it like Tip/Wayne
LMAO!!
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I don't base shit on sales anymore. People are so clueless on music I don't even bother referring people to shit. I knew times were changing back when Last Of A Dying Breed was out and Yung Wun from Ruff Ryders was out and I was working at FYE. I recommended Scarface's album to him being that it was the South and it is a classic album IMO. He swore up and down he was wack and Yung Wun was better. I was like well Yung worked with Face on RR Vol 2 so I think it's all good. His homeboy was like I don't know much about Face, but dude is a vet in the game. I played him For What and he was blown away.
See that is the problem, lack of knowledge with alot of fans on the artists before their favorites. Who do you think the Lil Wayne's and Ludas and TI's listen to before they shit? But with most people talking about Scarface is like talking to a brick wall so I personally would like to see MADE do numbers but I know Face is going to give me a Face approved, certified banger like he always does so I don't care if I was the only one to buy it. I know I am getting quality material.
i also think it's gon be quality
i was just saying if sales are partly his goal (which i think is always the case if you go with a major) the T.i/Wayne track is his best chance...
Oh I don't doubt what you are saying, it is just that now quality shit no matter how dope it is, is going over people's heads and is not selling. This is a single and IPod driven society. To appreciate good music for most you gotta chill and vibe to that shit. People don't have the time and would rather burn it anyway. Even if Face was at a label that was really pushing his album, it still would not do big numbers. Why? Because Face's music goes over alot of people's head. Not his fault, but ya can't get your Superman dance on and supersoak that hoe or whatever the fuck is going on now.
true that dog
that is true..i can't lie, i enjoy 2 hear when my favorite artists sell a decent amount of records, but clearly that doesn't affect my opinion on an artist, as most of favs aren't exactly high selling artists (at all)
exactly what im saying, but if he's gonna try (which he is) drop a single with some big names YET also good artists on it like Tip/Wayne
LMAO!!
Most definitely. I agree, drop that as a single. But in today's climate I don't even know if that will help sales. Most people would probably be like who is the "new" guy rapping with TI and Wayne. ;D :loser: :grumpy:
I hope I am wrong with that and Cube did show you can still sell in this market doing music that is true to your roots and the fans. I just don't see peeps going to bat for Face in the South like they do for other Houston artists and other artists in the South.
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I don't base shit on sales anymore. People are so clueless on music I don't even bother referring people to shit. I knew times were changing back when Last Of A Dying Breed was out and Yung Wun from Ruff Ryders was out and I was working at FYE. I recommended Scarface's album to him being that it was the South and it is a classic album IMO. He swore up and down he was wack and Yung Wun was better. I was like well Yung worked with Face on RR Vol 2 so I think it's all good. His homeboy was like I don't know much about Face, but dude is a vet in the game. I played him For What and he was blown away.
See that is the problem, lack of knowledge with alot of fans on the artists before their favorites. Who do you think the Lil Wayne's and Ludas and TI's listen to before they shit? But with most people talking about Scarface is like talking to a brick wall so I personally would like to see MADE do numbers but I know Face is going to give me a Face approved, certified banger like he always does so I don't care if I was the only one to buy it. I know I am getting quality material.
i also think it's gon be quality
i was just saying if sales are partly his goal (which i think is always the case if you go with a major) the T.i/Wayne track is his best chance...
Oh I don't doubt what you are saying, it is just that now quality shit no matter how dope it is, is going over people's heads and is not selling. This is a single and IPod driven society. To appreciate good music for most you gotta chill and vibe to that shit. People don't have the time and would rather burn it anyway. Even if Face was at a label that was really pushing his album, it still would not do big numbers. Why? Because Face's music goes over alot of people's head. Not his fault, but ya can't get your Superman dance on and supersoak that hoe or whatever the fuck is going on now.
true that dog
that is true..i can't lie, i enjoy 2 hear when my favorite artists sell a decent amount of records, but clearly that doesn't affect my opinion on an artist, as most of favs aren't exactly high selling artists (at all)
exactly what im saying, but if he's gonna try (which he is) drop a single with some big names YET also good artists on it like Tip/Wayne
LMAO!!
Most definitely. I agree, drop that as a single. But in today's climate I don't even know if that will help sales. Most people would probably be like who is the "new" guy rapping with TI and Wayne. ;D :loser: :grumpy:
I hope I am wrong with that and Cube did show you can still sell in this market doing music that is true to your roots and the fans. I just don't see peeps going to bat for Face in the South like they do for other Houston artists and other artists in the South.
LOL!! sad part is that's probably true :-\
very true...that remains to be seen
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The 2nd half of the year has gotten a little bit better. Kanye and 50, Tip, Fabolous selling. Common and Bone close to gold. Would like to add Face to that list. Like Luna said we will have to wait and see.
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this cd is gunna be dope. Scarface is fuckin dope. im fucking high off dope. fuck this is dope!
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face is the greatest in the south
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NEVER IS THE REALEST TRACK OUT.....
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But Rap-A-Lot put Lil Wayne on Devin's first single from his last album. Did that help?
they didn't even shoot a video for it..u can't expect a single to do anything with no tv time
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^that's the problem with rap-a-lot
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But from understand,they tread their artists well.
I guess they see Devin as the last cash cow,hadn´t the climate been so bad,Devin might had a chance to push some units.
It was a strange move by them,but I see where they was going with it.
If they first had spent so much money on star features,they should have gone all the way.
The track with Lil Wayne had comercial potensial if it got pushed and they did a video for it.
yea, marketing is there only problem..besides that they got a good eye for talent (mic-wise & production) and treat there artists well
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Scarface's album is gonna be great!
Lunatic and Jromes discussion made me wanna post this :D
http://www.youtube.com/v/jIHjuSWzGEA
I agree with Jrome though (as allways)
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I'm late in this convo about how ever face will big numbers or not.
I don't know if you remeber? But Rap-A-Lot put Lil Wayne on Devin's first single from his last album. Did that help?
Right before the release they even wasted more money getting Snoop and Andre featured.
I'm buying a "Devin/Scarface" album not a compilation,if the features ain't natural,fuck em and leave them out. ...and fuck this obsession with sales.
imo wayne tore up his appearance on devins album
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Bundy if you read one my other reply's I was suprised by Lil' Wayne's performance on Devin's album.
I don't know his shit other all that R&B junk he's featured on that plays on TV all the time,so I guess his performance was step up for me.
Shit, I also thought What A Job was dope as hell too. I like the whole album front to back. Rap-a-Lot puts out quality releases.
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Scarface's new album lsounds like its going to be big, truss