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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on November 02, 2007, 07:28:53 PM
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Yes he went on to win another ring but looking at him now, I amost feel bad for the dude. All those years of taking it easy while everyone else worked their asses off is finally starting to catch up with him. He's too slow and sluggish to deal with these young athletic forwards (Granger).
Last Night
28 Minutes: 8 Points (4-13 FG, 0-3 FT), 7 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 4 Blocks, 6 Turnovers, 6 Fouls
Tonight
29 Minutes: 9 Points (4-6 FG, 1-4 FT), 7 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 4 Turnovers, 5 Fouls
^ At this point he's nothing more than a big guy who's a liability at the free-throw line and on the defensive end.
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him... Kupchak is a homo... West would have never made such a lopsided deal.
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At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him... Kupchak is a homo... West would have never made such a lopsided deal.
Sad but true.
At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Ok why are you telling me he won a ring? Did you not read the first line in my post? And yeah let's compare him to Bynum, a guy who's only played 130 games in his career ::)
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Yea, he won a ring... Zo was a better center than him by that point, though.
Face it, Shaq's decline started way back in his Laker days, just after our last championship.
Lakers on the other hand...We're looking boss against the Suns tonight, and Bynum looks TOO promising...PeACe
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him... Kupchak is a homo... West would have never made such a lopsided deal.
Sad but true.
At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Ok why are you telling me he won a ring? Did you not read the first line in my post? And yeah let's compare him to Bynum, a guy who's only played 130 games in his career ::)
I just think it's pathetic to bag on a guy for being old. Doing a few more situps 5 years ago wouldn't change his statline much at all today. Look at guys like David Robinson who was a physical freak till the day he retired and yet and still had significant drop off. Went from averaging something like 30 ppgs to less than 10. It happens to pretty much all big men - you think Shaq should still be averaging 30 & 20?
And then saying you got rid of him in the nick of time, like you traded him last week. This is what, the 4th season now? Seems to me he was traded a couple years too soon. Just another monumental fuck up by the Lakers FO.
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Yea, he won a ring... Zo was a better center than him by that point, though.
Face it, Shaq's decline started way back in his Laker days, just after our last championship.
Lakers on the other hand...We're looking boss against the Suns tonight, and Bynum looks TOO promising...PeACe
The Lakers looked promising at this point last year at this time. Everyone's got potential - lets see them do something in the postseason then I might agree.
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him... Kupchak is a homo... West would have never made such a lopsided deal.
Sad but true.
At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Ok why are you telling me he won a ring? Did you not read the first line in my post? And yeah let's compare him to Bynum, a guy who's only played 130 games in his career ::)
I just think it's pathetic to bag on a guy for being old. Doing a few more situps 5 years ago wouldn't change his statline much at all today. Look at guys like David Robinson who was a physical freak till the day he retired and yet and still had significant drop off. Went from averaging something like 30 ppgs to less than 10. It happens to pretty much all big men - you think Shaq should still be averaging 30 & 20?
And then saying you got rid of him in the nick of time, like you traded him last week. This is what, the 4th season now? Seems to me he was traded a couple years too soon. Just another monumental fuck up by the Lakers FO.
Lol Alonzo Mourning is 2 years older than him but he's still in great shape. Shaq is in the position he's in because his conditioning has sucked since the Orlando days.
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him... Kupchak is a homo... West would have never made such a lopsided deal.
Sad but true.
At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Ok why are you telling me he won a ring? Did you not read the first line in my post? And yeah let's compare him to Bynum, a guy who's only played 130 games in his career ::)
I just think it's pathetic to bag on a guy for being old. Doing a few more situps 5 years ago wouldn't change his statline much at all today. Look at guys like David Robinson who was a physical freak till the day he retired and yet and still had significant drop off. Went from averaging something like 30 ppgs to less than 10. It happens to pretty much all big men - you think Shaq should still be averaging 30 & 20?
And then saying you got rid of him in the nick of time, like you traded him last week. This is what, the 4th season now? Seems to me he was traded a couple years too soon. Just another monumental fuck up by the Lakers FO.
Lol Alonzo Mourning is 2 years older than him but he's still in great shape. Shaq is in the position he's in because his conditioning has sucked since the Orlando days.
There's lots of centers older than Shaq that are in better shape, and they still fell off drastically at the end of their careers. Of course Shaq could have excercised more, but it wouldn't have him averaging 30 & 20 after 15+ years in the league. Shaq declined just like all bigs decline - look at guys like Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Kareem, etc. They were all in better shape than Shaq but they still fell off just like he's doing.
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Pacers 2-0!!
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him...
D-Wade. :-\
At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Man Shaq didn't care about the Lakers, he didn't even care about rings. He just wanted to get paid. He wanted to get a lot of money for his last contract as a pro, and the Lakers didn't want to give him that amount of money knowing his bad attitude at work and knowing how unprofessional he is. It was a risk the organization didn't want to take. The chosed Kobe in his prime over Shaq. It's not a scandal. We probably could have won another ring with Shaq, but we would have fucked up the franchise till the end of Shaq's contract wasting Kobe's prime the same way we're doing it. At least now we have a young team who can improve. Talking about stats, anyway, Bynum's numbers are better than Shaq's ones (and Bynum averages 10 mpg less than Shaq).
But that's not the point.
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At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Man Shaq didn't care about the Lakers, he didn't even care about rings. He just wanted to get paid. He wanted to get a lot of money for his last contract as a pro, and the Lakers didn't want to give him that amount of money knowing his bad attitude at work and knowing how unprofessional he is. It was a risk the organization didn't want to take. The chosed Kobe in his prime over Shaq. It's not a scandal. We probably could have won another ring with Shaq, but we would have fucked up the franchise till the end of Shaq's contract wasting Kobe's prime the same way we're doing it. At least now we have a young team who can improve. Talking about stats, anyway, Bynum's numbers are better than Shaq's ones (and Bynum averages 10 mpg less than Shaq).
But that's not the point.
My point is A) Shaq's current output isn't indicitive of a lack of conditioning, it's age. Of course he could have conditioned better, but it wouldn't increase his current numbers. His current numbers mirror that of all of the great centers at the end of their careers, dudes that were in WAY better condition.
B) GB said that they got rid of Shaq at the perfect time and cited 2 games from this season as if Shaq was just traded this offseason. I was arguing that point because it was actually 4 seasons ago and Shaq got a ring since then.
We've gone around 1000x about Shaq and Kobe and what should have been done and that's not where I'm trying to go.
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him... Kupchak is a homo... West would have never made such a lopsided deal.
Sad but true.
At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Ok why are you telling me he won a ring? Did you not read the first line in my post? And yeah let's compare him to Bynum, a guy who's only played 130 games in his career ::)
I just think it's pathetic to bag on a guy for being old. Doing a few more situps 5 years ago wouldn't change his statline much at all today. Look at guys like David Robinson who was a physical freak till the day he retired and yet and still had significant drop off. Went from averaging something like 30 ppgs to less than 10. It happens to pretty much all big men - you think Shaq should still be averaging 30 & 20?
And then saying you got rid of him in the nick of time, like you traded him last week. This is what, the 4th season now? Seems to me he was traded a couple years too soon. Just another monumental fuck up by the Lakers FO.
Lol Alonzo Mourning is 2 years older than him but he's still in great shape. Shaq is in the position he's in because his conditioning has sucked since the Orlando days.
There's lots of centers older than Shaq that are in better shape, and they still fell off drastically at the end of their careers. Of course Shaq could have excercised more, but it wouldn't have him averaging 30 & 20 after 15+ years in the league. Shaq declined just like all bigs decline - look at guys like Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Kareem, etc. They were all in better shape than Shaq but they still fell off just like he's doing.
LOL...Shaq's decline came way quicker and it was rapid, due to his lack of conditioning/dieting throughout the years... Anyone who knows Shaq will tell you this. Lakers coulda' won 7 in a row by now...PeACe
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At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Man Shaq didn't care about the Lakers, he didn't even care about rings. He just wanted to get paid. He wanted to get a lot of money for his last contract as a pro, and the Lakers didn't want to give him that amount of money knowing his bad attitude at work and knowing how unprofessional he is. It was a risk the organization didn't want to take. The chosed Kobe in his prime over Shaq. It's not a scandal. We probably could have won another ring with Shaq, but we would have fucked up the franchise till the end of Shaq's contract wasting Kobe's prime the same way we're doing it. At least now we have a young team who can improve. Talking about stats, anyway, Bynum's numbers are better than Shaq's ones (and Bynum averages 10 mpg less than Shaq).
But that's not the point.
My point is A) Shaq's current output isn't indicitive of a lack of conditioning, it's age. Of course he could have conditioned better, but it wouldn't increase his current numbers. His current numbers mirror that of all of the great centers at the end of their careers, dudes that were in WAY better condition.
B) GB said that they got rid of Shaq at the perfect time and cited 2 games from this season as if Shaq was just traded this offseason. I was arguing that point because it was actually 4 seasons ago and Shaq got a ring since then.
We've gone around 1000x about Shaq and Kobe and what should have been done and that's not where I'm trying to go.
I do agree. I mean Shaq is 35 years old now, he's 325-330 lbs, he has bad knees. It's a natural thing he fell off. It's simple as that: the 32 years old Shaq wasn't worth the amount of money he asked back in the days, imho. That's why i think we did the right move by trading him. He won a ring? Ok. Good for him. But pls understand it was just a "business move" done by both Shaq (who got himself a wonderful contract) and the Lakers (who didn't fuck up the salary cap for years). Kobe had nothing to do with this decision imho. Kobe was just doing another business move, by going F.A. and trying to get the max amount of money possible too. Exactly like Shaq. Both Kobe and Shaq used each others to have a good excuse to hide the real reasons behind the separation.
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My point is A) Shaq's current output isn't indicitive of a lack of conditioning, it's age. Of course he could have conditioned better, but it wouldn't increase his current numbers. His current numbers mirror that of all of the great centers at the end of their careers, dudes that were in WAY better condition.
Are you fuckin' kidding me? Dude is not THAT old, he's 35...If you don't think his fall off has anything to do with his lack of conditioning over the years, then you're lying to yourself...PeACe
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My point is A) Shaq's current output isn't indicitive of a lack of conditioning, it's age. Of course he could have conditioned better, but it wouldn't increase his current numbers. His current numbers mirror that of all of the great centers at the end of their careers, dudes that were in WAY better condition.
Are you fuckin' kidding me? Dude is not THAT old, he's 35...If you don't think his fall off has anything to do with his lack of conditioning over the years, then you're lying to yourself...PeACe
Honestly i wasn't expecting Shaq to play better than he is. It was predictable. So much the Lakers didn't sign his contract extension. When you are 325-330 lbs and you are 35, you have to be a superathlete working 24 hours a day to get yourself in a good condition. Shaq just ain't this time of man. Everybody (including Riley) knows that.
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My point is A) Shaq's current output isn't indicitive of a lack of conditioning, it's age. Of course he could have conditioned better, but it wouldn't increase his current numbers. His current numbers mirror that of all of the great centers at the end of their careers, dudes that were in WAY better condition.
Are you fuckin' kidding me? Dude is not THAT old, he's 35...If you don't think his fall off has anything to do with his lack of conditioning over the years, then you're lying to yourself...PeACe
Honestly i wasn't expecting Shaq to play better than he is. It was predictable. So much the Lakers didn't sign his contract extension. When you are 325-330 lbs and you are 35, you have to be a superathlete working 24 hours a day to get yourself in a good condition. Shaq just ain't this time of man. Everybody (including Riley) knows that.
Shaq is no Kareem...Kareem was dedicated to being as good as he could be. That's why I was glad when we let Shaq go...PeACe
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Kareem (Age 35):
24 PPG
8.7 RPG
2.7 BPG
3 APG
35 MPG
And he won 4 more rings after that!
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My point is A) Shaq's current output isn't indicitive of a lack of conditioning, it's age. Of course he could have conditioned better, but it wouldn't increase his current numbers. His current numbers mirror that of all of the great centers at the end of their careers, dudes that were in WAY better condition.
Are you fuckin' kidding me? Dude is not THAT old, he's 35...If you don't think his fall off has anything to do with his lack of conditioning over the years, then you're lying to yourself...PeACe
Honestly i wasn't expecting Shaq to play better than he is. It was predictable. So much the Lakers didn't sign his contract extension. When you are 325-330 lbs and you are 35, you have to be a superathlete working 24 hours a day to get yourself in a good condition. Shaq just ain't this time of man. Everybody (including Riley) knows that.
Shaq is no Kareem...Kareem was dedicated to being as good as he could be. That's why I was glad when we let Shaq go...PeACe
I was glad about it too.
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The only bad thing was that we couldn't get anything good in return for shipping him out.... Yes, he blows now but we still could have gotten a better deal for him... Kupchak is a homo... West would have never made such a lopsided deal.
Sad but true.
At the perfect time? You act like you just dumped him, he got a ring since he left LA. Don't laugh at those lines, that looks like career averages from Bynum. Hate on old man Shaq all you want, it doesn't take away that he was undisputably the most dominant player in the league for years. Shit, hate on Kareem and Wilt while you're at it, cuz they fell of w/ age too.
Ok why are you telling me he won a ring? Did you not read the first line in my post? And yeah let's compare him to Bynum, a guy who's only played 130 games in his career ::)
I just think it's pathetic to bag on a guy for being old. Doing a few more situps 5 years ago wouldn't change his statline much at all today. Look at guys like David Robinson who was a physical freak till the day he retired and yet and still had significant drop off. Went from averaging something like 30 ppgs to less than 10. It happens to pretty much all big men - you think Shaq should still be averaging 30 & 20?
And then saying you got rid of him in the nick of time, like you traded him last week. This is what, the 4th season now? Seems to me he was traded a couple years too soon. Just another monumental fuck up by the Lakers FO.
Lol Alonzo Mourning is 2 years older than him but he's still in great shape. Shaq is in the position he's in because his conditioning has sucked since the Orlando days.
There's lots of centers older than Shaq that are in better shape, and they still fell off drastically at the end of their careers. Of course Shaq could have excercised more, but it wouldn't have him averaging 30 & 20 after 15+ years in the league. Shaq declined just like all bigs decline - look at guys like Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Kareem, etc. They were all in better shape than Shaq but they still fell off just like he's doing.
Those guys were still contributers. Shaq is nothing more than a liability. He'll have 20 & 10 games this season but I know Shaq - its only a matter of time before he takes his usual late fall-early winter vacation.
Mourning + Haslem + Davis + Wade + Williams
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Shaq + Haslem + Davis + Wade + Williams
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Pacers 2-0!!
Lol Danny Granger fuckin tortured Miami last night! That dude is gonna be a problem.
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Yuore still on this man?
Shaq brought his team to a conferecne final and got a ring, Lakers aint do shit since. Heat won, its over.
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Those guys were still contributers. Shaq is nothing more than a liability.
Exactly.
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Shaq brought his team to a conferecne final and got a ring, Lakers aint do shit since. Heat won, its over.
Wrong.
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Shaq brought his team to a conferecne final and got a ring, Lakers aint do shit since. Heat won, its over.
Wrong.
lol, i do admire you devotion to the Lakers i must admit.
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Shaq played a big part in those championships...nobody can deny that... but there were moments in a lot of those games that Mr. Bryant dominated too... but they both had help from the likes of Fisher, especially Robert Horry's heroics, and others who stepped up and played there roles.
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Shaq played a big part in those championships...nobody can deny that... but there were moments in a lot of those games that Mr. Bryant dominated too... but they both had help from the likes of Fisher, especially Robert Horry's heroics, and others who stepped up and played there roles.
well put, this battle is so uselwss nad boring 4 years later. Facts are facts tho, Par Riley brought in Shaq to get closer to a title and in his first year they went from first round exit to conference championship and after that to the Nba Title while The Lakers missed the playoffs and got eliminated n the first round. These are facts you cant despute.
With that said i think this hole thread is wrong because at the time they traded Shaq i believe Shaq had enough gas to help the LAkers win 1 or 2 more Titles, the proof is that he did with Miami as i mentionned.
Is he finished now? He's def not in his prime anymore. DId the Heat give him a way too big contract? Perharps but it gave them a Title wich is the bottom line. Sometimes you have to overpay on a contract money wise and lenght wise to get a missing piece of the puzzle. You only do this kinda of move if you are garanteed a title and the Heat felt this would.
End of discussion.
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You have to remember though that the Lakers lost more than just Shaq that year he left.... it's not like Kobe inherited the same team with just Shaq missing.
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You have to remember though that the Lakers lost more than just Shaq that year he left.... it's not like Kobe inherited the same team with just Shaq missing.
Good point a lot of the supporting cast left but that dosent change the points i made frm the Miami Heat perspective.
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Never disputed the Heat perspective.... they picked him up and improved their team. They (and especially with Wade) gave O'Neal a good surrounding. My point was just from the Lakers perspective, and for anybody wondering why Kobe wasn't able to match the feats with him being the sole leader of the team.
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You have to remember though that the Lakers lost more than just Shaq that year he left.... it's not like Kobe inherited the same team with just Shaq missing.
I really wish they wouldn't have blown the team up like that so we can have a fair discussion. I've been having this same argument with Kobe haters for 3 1/2 years now. Shaq was traded, but so was Rick Fox + Gary Payton, Fisher wasn't offered a contract, Horace Grant + Karl Malone were considering retiring (and ultimately did), Horry had been let go the year before. So Kobe was left with Devean George, Medvedenko, Kareem Rush, Luke Walton, and a broken promise.
Shiet trading Shaq for Odom + Butler + Grant would've have looked so bad if we kept the rest of our core players.
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I think it's really TIME to move on ... everything has been said about this subject ... this discussion is WAY played out ... Shaq doesn't play for us anymore so who the fuck cares
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getting rid of Butler for nothing is what made that trade worst.
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They traded Shaq, Payton, Fox and Atkins for Odom, Brown, Mihm & Picks... :-X
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getting rid of Butler for nothing is what made that trade worst.
once again take a look at the 04-05 season in which we were constantly outrebounded and clowned by the bigs in the paint ... of course Butler is a way better players statistic wise than Kwame but I really don't think it will result in a better record for us ... compare the 05-06 Lakers defense and the 06-07 one (Kwame missed half of this one) and you got some indications of the important aspect of Kwame in our team ... I ain't sayng he's worth 9 Milllions a year or isn't dissapointing on the offensive end .. but Kwame isn't the main reason of our mediocrity ... Butler would result in more jumpers and 3s , is that a good thing for us ? of course not
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I think it's really TIME to move on ... everything has been said about this subject ... this discussion is WAY played out ... Shaq doesn't play for us anymore so who the fuck cares
LOL, thats what I'm sayin. Peeps still tryin to make themselves feel better about it to this day.
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Shaq played a big part in those championships...nobody can deny that... but there were moments in a lot of those games that Mr. Bryant dominated too... but they both had help from the likes of Fisher, especially Robert Horry's heroics, and others who stepped up and played there roles.
well put, this battle is so uselwss nad boring 4 years later. Facts are facts tho, Par Riley brought in Shaq to get closer to a title and in his first year they went from first round exit to conference championship and after that to the Nba Title while The Lakers missed the playoffs and got eliminated n the first round. These are facts you cant despute.
With that said i think this hole thread is wrong because at the time they traded Shaq i believe Shaq had enough gas to help the LAkers win 1 or 2 more Titles, the proof is that he did with Miami as i mentionned.
Is he finished now? He's def not in his prime anymore. DId the Heat give him a way too big contract? Perharps but it gave them a Title wich is the bottom line. Sometimes you have to overpay on a contract money wise and lenght wise to get a missing piece of the puzzle. You only do this kinda of move if you are garanteed a title and the Heat felt this would.
End of discussion.
You're mistaking...A rookie Dwyane Wade got the Heat to the Eastern Semis before Shaq even stepped foot into town. Shaq had as much to do with the Heats championship as Alonzo Mourning or Gary Payton...That's all I'm saying. Kobe's been in a totally different situation since the departure, which is why you can't compare. Shaq in Kobe's shoes woulda had the Lakers lottery bound for the past 3 years, no question. Shaq pretty much could not co-exist with Kobe if the offense (+ attention, money) wasn't gunna run through him, which is what made him demand the trade. Kareem, Hakeem, D-Rob etc. woulda' handled it differently...PeACe
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They traded Shaq, Payton, Fox and Atkins for Odom, Brown, Mihm & Picks... :-X
Wrong.
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They traded Shaq, Payton, Fox and Atkins for Odom, Brown, Mihm & Picks... :-X
Wrong.
Wow, that's an explicit answer. Nigga please.
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Maybe...but you're still wrong.
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Shaq was is and will always be missed in L.A.
Fuck it, anyway we fan's try and suger coat it, the fact is no team is worse off having the Best big man to every play this game.
(IMO) besides Bill Russel, & Kareem & Wilt...ect ;)
Still/Always a Shaq fan..
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he won a ring since he left ... so LA got rid of him 2 seasons to soon.
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he won a ring since he left ... so LA got rid of him 2 seasons to soon.
Payton also won a ring...did we get rid of him too soon as well?
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he won a ring since he left ... so LA got rid of him 2 seasons to soon.
Payton also won a ring...did we get rid of him too soon as well?
LOL your crazy man. thats not a fair comparison. shaq still averaged 20 and 10 for 2 seasons after leaving your fav team. i agree with u that last season and this season he is washed up
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he won a ring since he left ... so LA got rid of him 2 seasons to soon.
Payton also won a ring...did we get rid of him too soon as well?
LOL your crazy man. thats not a fair comparison. shaq still averaged 20 and 10 for 2 seasons after leaving your fav team. i agree with u that last season and this season he is washed up
Shaq has been a liablity since he left LA. Alright, maybe he did a lot in his first season with Miami, but it still wasn't enough. They only got better the following year, when he took a step back. And they still didn't deserve that ring, IMO. Worst champions ever, and Shaq was not even the main man on that team. The comparison is dead on. Jason Williams, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning, etc were just as vital to that title run as Shaq...PeACe
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This was one of THE worst trades in nba history.
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This was one of THE worst trades in nba history.
Yeah can’t really argue with that
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No regrets