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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: westkoastanostra on November 05, 2007, 10:01:52 AM
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Dean Malenko
Perry Saturn
John Cronus (R.I.P.)
Bam Bam Bigelow
2 Cold Scorpio
Lance Storm
n e one agree that these wrestlers were great but were under appreciated?
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What the fucks going on in your Sig pic? Please dont tell me that WWE in Germany and Bradshaw doing that Nazi salute. If so, he should of been arrested on the spot.
I always thought D-Lo was a dope as fuck wrestler. Used to love watching him. His moves where so cool. The Lo-Down and Sky high, running power bomb. Dopeness. He and two Cold scorpio would of made a dope tag team.
I dont agree with anyone on your list though really. Dean and Saturn where never under rated, there was just noway for a company such as WWF/WWE to use them. Their characters where Dean Malenko and Perry Saturn which was good in WCW but was never gunna fly in WWF/WWE. Saturn in his ECW days = dope but from then on he went down, but he was never unrated, just never really good enough to be a main player.
Cronus was good for a big guy. But nothing special. He was like Test a bit. Good ability but again not a good all rounder.
Bam Bam was agile for a fat man.
2 Cold, yeah he was good. Ok. A bit under rated.
lance is in the same boat as Saturn and Malenko.
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D'Lo Brown has hella talent for a cat his size, I don't know why the wwe never pushed him hard. His mic skills was coo and the strut was infamous lol.
taka michinoku & kaientai was tight when they first came to the wwf, I liked there gimmick but the wwf fell off with that to.
Papi Chulo aka Essa Ríos was a nice wrestler but I guess the fact he couldnt speak english held him back in the wwf
Lance Storm and Justin Credible (in the wwf) they were the business in the ecw but the wwf slept on them real crucial.
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i don't remember Cronus or Scorpio much.
Lance Storm was a great wrestler; his mic skills were ok.
The dancing gimmick he had was hilarious IMO.
Dean Malenko was also cool; i remember watching some of his matches with Jericho back in WCW.
Saturn was good; they made him fall off after that whole Moppy crap.
I remember Bam Bam in the WWF; i dunno where he went after that and what not.
I hated him when he was a heel, which meant he was doing his work well.
R.I.P. to him as well.
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weird, was bout to make a similar thread after watching wrestlemania 10, owen hart clearly overshining his brother but it was still bret who went on to be the top guy, taking nothing away from bret(best there ever was) but owen never went past the mid-card level.
i suppose this is more that he was underrated backstage in the wwe, cause wrestling fans did know his qualitys
another couple, rick rude - made wrestlers look better than they were, should have been world champ at some point
triple h - this guy gets so much stick, was much better when he wasnt so big, he used to do spinning heel kicks lol
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weird, was bout to make a similar thread after watching wrestlemania 10, owen hart clearly overshining his brother but it was still bret who went on to be the top guy, taking nothing away from bret(best there ever was) but owen never went past the mid-card level.
i suppose this is more that he was underrated backstage in the wwe, cause wrestling fans did know his qualitys
another couple, rick rude - made wrestlers look better than they were, should have been world champ at some point
triple h - this guy gets so much stick, was much better when he wasnt so big, he used to do spinning heel kicks lol
i have a feeling that if it wasn't for Owen's death, he could've probably gotten that push.
Hennig and Rude were two guys that should've also gotten that big push.
Robert Roode in TNA sort of reminds me of them, except he isnt being used properly which sucks cause he could also be a top heel in the industry IMO.
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weird, was bout to make a similar thread after watching wrestlemania 10, owen hart clearly overshining his brother but it was still bret who went on to be the top guy, taking nothing away from bret(best there ever was) but owen never went past the mid-card level.
i suppose this is more that he was underrated backstage in the wwe, cause wrestling fans did know his qualitys
another couple, rick rude - made wrestlers look better than they were, should have been world champ at some point
triple h - this guy gets so much stick, was much better when he wasnt so big, he used to do spinning heel kicks lol
i have a feeling that if it wasn't for Owen's death, he could've probably gotten that push.
Hennig and Rude were two guys that should've also gotten that big push.
Robert Roode in TNA sort of reminds me of them, except he isnt being used properly which sucks cause he could also be a top heel in the industry IMO.
i dont know with tht blue blazer gimmick he was on a downward spiral
i would love robert rude in wwe,with the rick rude gimmick, it was just so cool, robert rude with ric flair as his manager 8)
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D'Lo Brown has hella talent for a cat his size, I don't know why the wwe never pushed him hard. His mic skills was coo and the strut was infamous lol.
D-Lo accidently dropped Droz and broke his neck during a house show match. Since then he dropped off in booking. It was a horrible accident, and D-Lo paid and Droz still can't walk.
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What the fucks going on in your Sig pic? Please dont tell me that WWE in Germany and Bradshaw doing that Nazi salute. If so, he should of been arrested on the spot.
I always thought D-Lo was a dope as fuck wrestler. Used to love watching him. His moves where so cool. The Lo-Down and Sky high, running power bomb. Dopeness. He and two Cold scorpio would of made a dope tag team.
I dont agree with anyone on your list though really. Dean and Saturn where never under rated, there was just noway for a company such as WWF/WWE to use them. Their characters where Dean Malenko and Perry Saturn which was good in WCW but was never gunna fly in WWF/WWE. Saturn in his ECW days = dope but from then on he went down, but he was never unrated, just never really good enough to be a main player.
Cronus was good for a big guy. But nothing special. He was like Test a bit. Good ability but again not a good all rounder.
Bam Bam was agile for a fat man.
2 Cold, yeah he was good. Ok. A bit under rated.
lance is in the same boat as Saturn and Malenko.
i dont agree with n e thing u said.... i'm talking about their whole wrestling career...as of right now they dont get mentioned as greats when indeed they were...and they are overlooked...watch saturn in ECW and watch cronus in ECW...cronus is no test lol...u dont know wat i'm talking about when u compare him to test...the same with scorpio...dude can move with his weight...he was a high flyer...those are prime examples...the same with bam bam...he wasnt just agile for a fat man...he could move like a lightweight...vader was ajust gile for a fat man...check them out again man...and yea it is jbl in germany lol
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weird, was bout to make a similar thread after watching wrestlemania 10, owen hart clearly overshining his brother but it was still bret who went on to be the top guy, taking nothing away from bret(best there ever was) but owen never went past the mid-card level.
i suppose this is more that he was underrated backstage in the wwe, cause wrestling fans did know his qualitys
another couple, rick rude - made wrestlers look better than they were, should have been world champ at some point
triple h - this guy gets so much stick, was much better when he wasnt so big, he used to do spinning heel kicks lol
those guys aint underrated though...they've been praised by wrestlers...especially triple h....they're not underrated....they've gotten their praise....but the guys ive mentioned havent...go 2 youtube and watch their matches to c what i'm talking about..
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Scott Hall, but that was his own fault. Good to very good worker. Great talker. Great personality. Amazing ability to get over. He just never wanted it bad enough. In WCW all he had to do was ask for a chance to run with the belt, but a lack of desire and a substance abuse problem kept it from happening. he was better than Nash in every category and Nash had the top belt in both Feds for a while.
I'll always blame McMahon's childish tactics for Owen's death. Owen was ready for the main event right after they screwed Bret. The crowd was aching for it, but asshole Vince McMahon wanted to stick it to Bret so much he purposely stuck Owen in stupid angles and killed his push on purpose. If Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin never got into pro wrestling Vince McMahon would be in the internet porn business.
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weird, was bout to make a similar thread after watching wrestlemania 10, owen hart clearly overshining his brother but it was still bret who went on to be the top guy, taking nothing away from bret(best there ever was) but owen never went past the mid-card level.
i suppose this is more that he was underrated backstage in the wwe, cause wrestling fans did know his qualitys
another couple, rick rude - made wrestlers look better than they were, should have been world champ at some point
triple h - this guy gets so much stick, was much better when he wasnt so big, he used to do spinning heel kicks lol
those guys aint underrated though...they've been praised by wrestlers...especially triple h....they're not underrated....they've gotten their praise....but the guys ive mentioned havent...go 2 youtube and watch their matches to c what i'm talking about..
i thought you meant as actual technical wrestlers
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weird, was bout to make a similar thread after watching wrestlemania 10, owen hart clearly overshining his brother but it was still bret who went on to be the top guy, taking nothing away from bret(best there ever was) but owen never went past the mid-card level.
i suppose this is more that he was underrated backstage in the wwe, cause wrestling fans did know his qualitys
another couple, rick rude - made wrestlers look better than they were, should have been world champ at some point
triple h - this guy gets so much stick, was much better when he wasnt so big, he used to do spinning heel kicks lol
those guys aint underrated though...they've been praised by wrestlers...especially triple h....they're not underrated....they've gotten their praise....but the guys ive mentioned havent...go 2 youtube and watch their matches to c what i'm talking about..
i thought you meant as actual technical wrestlers
whats that suppose to mean?
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D'Lo Brown has hella talent for a cat his size, I don't know why the wwe never pushed him hard. His mic skills was coo and the strut was infamous lol.
D-Lo accidently dropped Droz and broke his neck during a house show match. Since then he dropped off in booking. It was a horrible accident, and D-Lo paid and Droz still can't walk.
it happened at a smackdown taping in ny. I knew a lot of people that actually saw it live.
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weird, was bout to make a similar thread after watching wrestlemania 10, owen hart clearly overshining his brother but it was still bret who went on to be the top guy, taking nothing away from bret(best there ever was) but owen never went past the mid-card level.
i suppose this is more that he was underrated backstage in the wwe, cause wrestling fans did know his qualitys
another couple, rick rude - made wrestlers look better than they were, should have been world champ at some point
triple h - this guy gets so much stick, was much better when he wasnt so big, he used to do spinning heel kicks lol
those guys aint underrated though...they've been praised by wrestlers...especially triple h....they're not underrated....they've gotten their praise....but the guys ive mentioned havent...go 2 youtube and watch their matches to c what i'm talking about..
i thought you meant as actual technical wrestlers
whats that suppose to mean?
i said owen, triple h, rude cause as technical wrestlers there not as praised as much as others
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Scott Hall, but that was his own fault. Good to very good worker. Great talker. Great personality. Amazing ability to get over. He just never wanted it bad enough. In WCW all he had to do was ask for a chance to run with the belt, but a lack of desire and a substance abuse problem kept it from happening. he was better than Nash in every category and Nash had the top belt in both Feds for a while.
I donīt know but to me Scott Hall never was "world championship material" but I donīt mean that in a negative way. I agree with everything you said about him but to me he was in the same league as Piper or DiBiase for example. Sure, they deserved a run but people like them were just over enough even without a title. Like Chris Benoit, whom I never saw as "world championship material" either, it was nice to see him win it but to me he was always that bad ass who belonged in the United States/Intercontinental/TV title scene.
In my opinion, having wrestlers like Hall, Piper, DiBiase, Benoit etc in the upper midcard just adds to the whole thing. It makes an organization just look better in general.
Anyways, did he deserve it? Yes.
Did they miss out on not giving him a world title run? Not really.
On the topic, in my opinion IRS was always pretty underrated. I just know him from his WWF days and I always had the feeling that people just saw the stupid gimmick in him but just watch the man wrestle and you can see how good he was at it. He should be a wrestling instructor.
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D'Lo Brown has hella talent for a cat his size, I don't know why the wwe never pushed him hard. His mic skills was coo and the strut was infamous lol.
D-Lo accidently dropped Droz and broke his neck during a house show match. Since then he dropped off in booking. It was a horrible accident, and D-Lo paid and Droz still can't walk.
didnt he get his euro x ic at the same time after all that happen?
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D'Lo Brown has hella talent for a cat his size, I don't know why the wwe never pushed him hard. His mic skills was coo and the strut was infamous lol.
D-Lo accidently dropped Droz and broke his neck during a house show match. Since then he dropped off in booking. It was a horrible accident, and D-Lo paid and Droz still can't walk.
didnt he get his euro x ic at the same time after all that happen?
he did! even b4 he left the WWE he was getting a push with a racist storyline with teddy long..
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I agree with most of the names thrown out in this thread. Lance Storm probably being the one who I always thought could have been awesome given more exposure. Not sure why the wwe slept on him so much :(
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yeah lance storm definately owen hart dlo i think most of the ecw talent was used very badly apart from rvd
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I agree with most of the names thrown out in this thread. Lance Storm probably being the one who I always thought could have been awesome given more exposure. Not sure why the wwe slept on him so much :(
It's all base on fan reaction... Wrestlers that make the top tier are the one's that can speak on the mic. There is the exception to the rule but mostly the rule prevails..
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Scott Hall, but that was his own fault. Good to very good worker. Great talker. Great personality. Amazing ability to get over. He just never wanted it bad enough. In WCW all he had to do was ask for a chance to run with the belt, but a lack of desire and a substance abuse problem kept it from happening. he was better than Nash in every category and Nash had the top belt in both Feds for a while.
I donīt know but to me Scott Hall never was "world championship material" but I donīt mean that in a negative way. I agree with everything you said about him but to me he was in the same league as Piper or DiBiase for example. Sure, they deserved a run but people like them were just over enough even without a title. Like Chris Benoit, whom I never saw as "world championship material" either, it was nice to see him win it but to me he was always that bad ass who belonged in the United States/Intercontinental/TV title scene.
In my opinion, having wrestlers like Hall, Piper, DiBiase, Benoit etc in the upper midcard just adds to the whole thing. It makes an organization just look better in general.
Anyways, did he deserve it? Yes.
Did they miss out on not giving him a world title run? Not really.
On the topic, in my opinion IRS was always pretty underrated. I just know him from his WWF days and I always had the feeling that people just saw the stupid gimmick in him but just watch the man wrestle and you can see how good he was at it. He should be a wrestling instructor.
Did they miss out on not putting the strap on him? No. The only true mistakes Vince could have made was keeping the belt of Hogan, Austin and maybe Rock. Every other champion could have been substituted by 10 other guys. In WCW Piper would have been a huge feud with Flair in 87 and 88 and Ted Bisbiase if treated with class would have been a great heel champ in any federation. I don't think you realize how much bigger a star someone like Piper was than HBK or Deisel. The only reason it wasn't shown was because Hogan was there and that guy was a phenomenon.
Scott Hall if pushed as Scott Hall in the WWF would have been a bigger draw than Diesel or HBK in that era, and in WCW he would have made a nice transition champ. He wasn't going to carry either company but he wouldn't nearly take it to the ground either like HBK and Nash almost did. People don't remember how close WWF was to going out of business in the HBK run and it was the Bret heel turn that gave it a boost and the Austin face turn that saved the company. Hall woud have been more credible a champ in '96 to the 16-35 year old male fans. 13 year old grls don't buy PPVs. But Vader would have been a much better choice as champ with Hall built to chase him in te main event. Of course I'd probably have Bret be the one to dethrone Vader rather than Hall.