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Production Stops On 6 Sitcoms As Strike Hits Day 2 (http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_310160854.html)
(AP) LOS ANGELES Production has stopped on at least six sitcoms filmed before live audiences because of the Hollywood writers strike.
"Back to You," starring Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton, will not return from a planned hiatus on Wednesday, said Chris Alexander, a spokesman for 20th Century Fox Television.
Star Julia Louis-Dreyfus said production has also stopped on her CBS show, "The New Adventures of Old Christine."
In addition, the sitcoms "Til Death," which airs on Fox, and "Rules of Engagement," "Two and a Half Men" and "The Big Bang Theory," all on CBS, will also end filming, according to people familiar with production of the shows who were not authorized to be quoted and requested anonymity.
It was not immediately clear how many of the shows might already be finished.
Network officials referred calls to companies producing each show.
LOS ANGELES Networks said the following shows will immediately go into reruns because of the writers strike:
NBC:
• "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno"
• "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" and "Last Call with Carson Daly"
CBS:
• "Late Show with David Letterman"
• "Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson"
Comedy Central:
• "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart"
• "Colbert Report"
Networks and publicists cited these other impacts:
• "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" will air new episodes on Monday and Tuesday that were filmed before the strike.
• FOX's "Back To You" will not return from a planned hiatus Wednesday.
• Production of FOX's "Til Death" will stop immediately.
• Production of CBS's "Rules of Engagement," "The Big Bang Theory," "Two and a Half Men," and "The New Adventures of Old Christine" will stop immediately.
• ABC's "Dancing With the Stars" will air as usual Monday and Tuesday.
• Production of ABC's "Desperate Housewives" will stop Wednesday.
• CBS soap operas such as "The Young and the Restless," "Guiding Light" and "As the World Turns" will continue uninterrupted for several months with completed scripts.
• ABC's "The View" talk show will continue uninterrupted because of contingency plans made before the strike.
• ABC soaps, including "All My Children," "One Life to Live" and "General Hospital," have been written into the new year and will not be interrupted.
• "The Oprah Winfrey Show" doesn't employ union writers and will continue uninterrupted.
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Good!!!
Writers definetly deserve more pay. They are the ones that come up with the programs basically. THey deserve a hell of alot more.
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
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^^Everyone knows writers have been heavily underpaid since forever, though...That's probably part of why they aren't giving it an honest effort and the reason fresh material isn't coming in on a consistant basis. Writers make nothing...Nowadays, DVD revenue dominates box office revenue, and writers see none of that...it's a joke to be a writer. The strike might be bullshit, but so is what writers have been getting paid...PeACe
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
what u mad? only ppl i say fuck em to is the stars, u must not have any idea how much work is involved in a tv or film production. writers have to bow to the whim of directors producers bitchy actors and now pain in the ass customers who have to put their two cents in
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
what u mad? only ppl i say fuck em to is the stars, u must not have any idea how much work is involved in a tv or film production. writers have to bow to the whim of directors producers bitchy actors and now pain in the ass customers who have to put their two cents in
And if the actor's guild went on strike I'd be saying the same thing.
NIK, they get 6 figures a year to do what can be done for free if the networks accepted fan made scripts. And in hollywood films you can sell one crappy script that for like a million dollars and only have parts of it actually show up on screen.
If the writers of The Wire went on strike because they weren't getting paid I'd hope HBO coughs up the cash because I don't want the quality to suffer but 90% of shows and movies have shitty writing. And 99% of big money shows and movies have shittier writing.
If the cast of CSI said we aren't working you can't just throw in a bunch of new actors and expect the audience to follow the new look, but of the thousands of nerds sitting at home writing stupid fan CSI stories you can find 22 stories a year just as good as the ones you pay 10 writers totaling millions a year to give you.
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^^You act like anyone out there can be a writer...what about the good writers who come up with compelling stories? why don't they get a share from DVD sales and what not? The whole system is fucked...It's the production companies fault for hiring shitty writers. Writers don't get shit compared to actors, directors, producers, etc., and this is probably why so many scripts suck...think about it...PeACe
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^^You act like anyone out there can be a writer...what about the good writers who come up with compelling stories? why don't they get a share from DVD sales and what not? The whole system is fucked...It's the production companies fault for hiring shitty writers. Writers don't get shit compared to actors, directors, producers, etc., and this is probably why so many scripts suck...think about it...PeACe
Anyone can't be a good writer, but just about anyone can come up with the shit they put on TV these days. The good writers do get paid very well, and very good writers write very good books, not shitty TV shows or crappy movies. And even the bad writers get paid. You can sell a shitty script to hollywood for a million dollars. How much do you want it to be sold for?
And in the case of big budget shows and films the actors, directors, and producers are more important than the screen writer.
The scripts suck because network fat cats think they know art and because good writers write books. A true storyteller will write a great story for the sake of it. He or she won't make it worse because the average salary is 200 grande when it should be 350.
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Actually some writers make $50k a year, like an average American, well their product makes millions. So they see studios make money off their backs, and they are not getting paid, of course they are going to be mad. So they want a bigger cut of millions. You are mad at people trying to get money, that's fucked up. I don't give a shit, like 'Pac said, gotta alot of love for any (person) getting money.
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Actually some writers make $50k a year, like an average American, well their product makes millions. So they see studios make money off their backs, and they are not getting paid, of course they are going to be mad. So they want a bigger cut of millions. You are mad at people trying to get money, that's fucked up. I don't give a shit, like 'Pac said, gotta alot of love for any (person) getting money.
Exactly...How is it justified that they don't get a share of the DVD sales when the DVD sales are what dominate the market nowadays? Come on, now.
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Actually some writers make $50k a year, like an average American, well their product makes millions. So they see studios make money off their backs, and they are not getting paid, of course they are going to be mad. So they want a bigger cut of millions. You are mad at people trying to get money, that's fucked up. I don't give a shit, like 'Pac said, gotta alot of love for any (person) getting money.
They are average americans.
You show me an example of a writer of a show that makes millions (in profit) that only pulls in 50 grande a year and we'll talk. I'm not mad at the union. I'm mad at the networks for even bothering with them. If I owned NBC all of them would be fired right now. Of course with NBCs shity ratings they would have been fired years ago.
Let's be serious. This all about one thing; the economy. The writer's guild knows that with the struggling US dollar the DVD sales will fall and that'll mean less money, so they want a way to make as much money. God forbid they put some actually effort into their stories and make more people want to buy the product. They just want the prices of the DVDs higher so they can even out.
Fuck unions.
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Actually some writers make $50k a year, like an average American, well their product makes millions. So they see studios make money off their backs, and they are not getting paid, of course they are going to be mad. So they want a bigger cut of millions. You are mad at people trying to get money, that's fucked up. I don't give a shit, like 'Pac said, gotta alot of love for any (person) getting money.
They are average americans.
You show me an example of a writer of a show that makes millions (in profit) that only pulls in 50 grande a year and we'll talk. I'm not mad at the union. I'm mad at the networks for even bothering with them. If I owned NBC all of them would be fired right now. Of course with NBCs shity ratings they would have been fired years ago.
Let's be serious. This all about one thing; the economy. The writer's guild knows that with the struggling US dollar the DVD sales will fall and that'll mean less money, so they want a way to make as much money. God forbid they put some actually effort into their stories and make more people want to buy the product. They just want the prices of the DVDs higher so they can even out.
Fuck unions.
why fuck unions ?
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lol@shallow being mad cause he aint paid
if I was a writer and some shitty actor who doesnt even get my jokes while acting gets paid 100k+ more than me, then YES, Id be pissed
you have to understand as a writer you aint got no face, you cant do commercials etc... it's harder to get money in other ways....
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Actually some writers make $50k a year, like an average American, well their product makes millions. So they see studios make money off their backs, and they are not getting paid, of course they are going to be mad. So they want a bigger cut of millions. You are mad at people trying to get money, that's fucked up. I don't give a shit, like 'Pac said, gotta alot of love for any (person) getting money.
They are average americans.
You show me an example of a writer of a show that makes millions (in profit) that only pulls in 50 grande a year and we'll talk. I'm not mad at the union. I'm mad at the networks for even bothering with them. If I owned NBC all of them would be fired right now. Of course with NBCs shity ratings they would have been fired years ago.
Let's be serious. This all about one thing; the economy. The writer's guild knows that with the struggling US dollar the DVD sales will fall and that'll mean less money, so they want a way to make as much money. God forbid they put some actually effort into their stories and make more people want to buy the product. They just want the prices of the DVDs higher so they can even out.
Fuck unions.
why fuck unions ?
If I want to work for x amount, I'll work for x amount. If I don't like the job or the pay out I won't work and go find another job. I do not need to band together with my co-workers and put the lixuries of the workforce ahead of the greater good and common sense. The hollywood unions put a stranglehold on the industry. Doctor's unions put a stranglehold on the healthcare industry. Unions in general drive up prices and create inflation. The owners, the big dogs, never suffer, they just make the little guy pay. When the auto workers want more money they give it to them but then they cut jobs, outsource and raise prices while making the product less reliable. Anyone that thinks unions somehow stick it to the rich is foolling themselves. Trade unions are a thorne in the side of a heallthy capitalist economy.
7even - first I'm fat and noow I'm broke and jealous. What is it with you. The actor is almost more important than the writer in hollywood. Try reading the scripts to some Jim Carrey films or lines for Kramer in Seinfeld. They are made by the performer. If screenwriters were really worth more than a 200,000 a year average, 50 grande a year at the bottom of the barrell for shitty shows then they'd be writing great novels, not episodes of The OC.
Is someone really going to tell me that 22 scripts of One Tree Hill is really worth more than 50,000 dollars, when you write them with a team and each of you get over 50 grande a year? Did you know that 3 guys split 3 million dollars for the script for EuroTrip? I mean c'mon.
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im 50/50 on this strike.. alot of writers are under paid, but alot of writers are also writing shit shows
if they are putting in the effort, networks should pony up the cash. if they're turning in shit scripts (one tree hill for example), they can stay on 50k a year
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well obviously 1 million for co writing eurotrip is a sick salary. what Im more interested in is what that nigga who writes prison break gets. or what those niggas who wrote "friends" got, while the actors got 1 million each per episode. but you wanna know what a really fucked up union strike is? the engine driver strike in germany. them niggas is crazy. their job is easy as hell and they want more money all the time and when they don't get it they simply don't drive anymore and people can't go to work, goods can't be transported etc, hella fucked up shit.
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Lot of shows these days are stupid...so in a way, I could give a fuck about them.
But then again, as someone mentioned about fuck union thing, i agree...and fuck the companies.
Those companies should hire individuals..not by union type shit....
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well obviously 1 million for co writing eurotrip is a sick salary. what Im more interested in is what that nigga who writes prison break gets. or what those niggas who wrote "friends" got, while the actors got 1 million each per episode. but you wanna know what a really fucked up union strike is? the engine driver strike in germany. them niggas is crazy. their job is easy as hell and they want more money all the time and when they don't get it they simply don't drive anymore and people can't go to work, goods can't be transported etc, hella fucked up shit.
If you read the credits both Friends and Prison Break are mainly written and outlined by their creators (who make a huge chunk of change). From their you'll be hard pressed to find another writer that writes more than 1 episode per season. There is a reason why the union doesn't release what writers on hit shows are making for the amount of work they do; if they did the public would completely oppose them. You can behind a bunch of bus drivers pulling in 40 grande a year for 300 full days a year. You can't get behind a guy getting thousands for 1 ten page script. Hel in the struggling comic book world hit writers can make $2,200 to $4,400 per issue and since they can write 3 or 4 issues a month among different books you can end up with 6 to 10 granden a month in a market that sucks shit. If a unionless medium with terrible sales can do that what do you think TV writers get? If the writers were really that low paid you would see the numbers in the media. This is simply a ploy to get DVD prcies to rise. And I will not stand for it. Torrent sites here I come.
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this shit is great for comic books, alot of writers that do comics and tv are often behind on their comic book work because the TV stuff is higher priority due to the money and corporate pressure involved.
due to this strike writers like Brian K Vaughn, Jeph Loeb, Joss Whedon, and Damon Lindelof will be able to catch up on their comic book stuff.
I'll link BKV's thoughts on this in a bit. he's brilliant and among my favorite writers ever.
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http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=135331
read that shit
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this shit is great for comic books, alot of writers that do comics and tv are often behind on their comic book work because the TV stuff is higher priority due to the money and corporate pressure involved.
due to this strike writers like Brian K Vaughn, Jeph Loeb, Joss Whedon, and Damon Lindelof will be able to catch up on their comic book stuff.
I'll link BKV's thoughts on this in a bit. he's brilliant and among my favorite writers ever.
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Atleast something good can come of this. As TV anf film writing has gone down over the past decade or so comic book writing has gone way up, quality wise, and they don't need a stinking union.
There is one union I would support, and that is a WWE wrestlers union. Just thought I'd add that in.
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comic book creators need a union though, they have as many financial problems as the next group of artists.
there are programs like the hero initiative which helps families of creators that died and creators that were debilitated in accidents but they aren't enough according to most industry professionals.
-T
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comic book creators need a union though, they have as many financial problems as the next group of artists.
there are programs like the hero initiative which helps families of creators that died and creators that were debilitated in accidents but they aren't enough according to most industry professionals.
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This is the creator owned era. Image started that and all those guys became rich. Come up with an idea put it on paper and sell it. A union won't do anything but raise prices and lower readership. You want a hit book you drop the price, put it out bi-weekly, and you pre plan the story so it's good and wait for it to succeed. The ones that doi will end up with movie and TV deals and you use that TV time to advertise more books. If books were coming out a 75 cents a pop every two weeks and sold on grocery store magazine racks, while being marketed right you'd see readership skyrocket, and the higher the number of people reading the higher the cost for an ad with in the book. Marvel and DC have enough money to cut back 60% of their titles and restart with a new approach and slowly rebuild. Using internet and video games as an excuse didn't stop Harry Potter and it wouldn't have stopped X-Men number 1 in the early 90s from selling 5 million copies.
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the big names on the big books for the big companies are doing just fine.
it's creators like dave cockrum, or other older cats who put in decades of work and now that they are old and less able, have nothing to fall back on that programs like the hero initiative helps.
and it's the small creator on a small book that needs help from a union that doesn't exist.
when Bendis on New Avengers can't sell anymore, the type of overhaul that you're talking about may come into play but Bendis and New Avengers (just examples of a top ten writer/book) and those in that league of visibility are doing just fine.
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Fuck Unions? How about Fuck Shallow that Payton Manning Cock sucking whore?
Haha...sall good
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Fuck Unions? How about Fuck Shallow that Payton Manning Cock sucking whore?
Haha...sall good
Nah, I just like the way he passes the ball. I refuse to suck the dick of anyone in a union.
Tanj; don't undersetimate the generosity of the big brands or other creators. Any creator that created something worth a damn will get a helping hand. Marvel was ready to give Cockrum a big hand before he passed. The hero initiative is great. I have no problem with people willingly donating money to people in need, but a union will cause so much damage to the industry quality wise I don't ever want to see it. You'll see artists behind on their schedules filing greivances when they get bumped from a book. Writers and artists on salary taking their sweet time. Prices go up while paper quality and coloring go down. Think about how bad network TV is right now. That's how bad it would get.
And indy creators still wouldn't get a dime. Indy publishers wouldn't be able to afford it and most would end up going under.
As for Bendis isn't selling that much. What does New Avengers pull in every month? Just over 100k? Marvel as a whole sells 3 million issues. Uncanny, Xmen, and Amazing Spridey sold more than that 15 years ago just the three of them combined. These days nearly 100 books can't do what 3 used to be able to do. The 6 or 7 Image books alone in 92 sold almost as much as the whole current industry. If Bendis sold 100k in 92 he'd be bumped off the book. The industry is already gone and needs to be revived.
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smallville will stop filming, its one of my favoirte shows
aslong as weeds, heroes and south prk is still on its all good
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smallville will stop filming, its one of my favoirte shows
aslong as weeds, heroes and south prk is still on its all good
i KNOW heroes IS affected by this strike. Heroes will stop filming.
not sure about south park and weeds though
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Fuck Unions? How about Fuck Shallow that Payton Manning Cock sucking whore?
Haha...sall good
Nah, I just like the way he passes the ball. I refuse to suck the dick of anyone in a union.
Tanj; don't undersetimate the generosity of the big brands or other creators. Any creator that created something worth a damn will get a helping hand. Marvel was ready to give Cockrum a big hand before he passed. The hero initiative is great. I have no problem with people willingly donating money to people in need, but a union will cause so much damage to the industry quality wise I don't ever want to see it. You'll see artists behind on their schedules filing greivances when they get bumped from a book. Writers and artists on salary taking their sweet time. Prices go up while paper quality and coloring go down. Think about how bad network TV is right now. That's how bad it would get.
And indy creators still wouldn't get a dime. Indy publishers wouldn't be able to afford it and most would end up going under.
As for Bendis isn't selling that much. What does New Avengers pull in every month? Just over 100k? Marvel as a whole sells 3 million issues. Uncanny, Xmen, and Amazing Spridey sold more than that 15 years ago just the three of them combined. These days nearly 100 books can't do what 3 used to be able to do. The 6 or 7 Image books alone in 92 sold almost as much as the whole current industry. If Bendis sold 100k in 92 he'd be bumped off the book. The industry is already gone and needs to be revived.
no question there have been brighter times for comics, but Quesada has pulled Marvel out of bankruptcy and into the stratosphere. I saw their profit margins this year on newsarama, they made millions more this year than the las...and that's just the comics.
Marvel is doing better all the time, but certainly you're right that book sales today don't compare to the early 90s speculators boom. but how many people were just speculating and how many were actually reading back then? with that into account, right now may be a great time for the amount of readership in comparison to other times. especially when you consider the diverse demographic comics reach now.
-T
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Fuck unions, and fuck these writers. When's the last time a quality network show hit the air? 95% of new shows suck. AND the ratings have sucked for years. I garauntee if Networks just came out and told the public to email ideas for new shows and for storylines on current shows we'd get a better product than the crap we're dealing with now. Comedies aren't funny. Dramas are filled with stupid cliches and plot by numbers tactics and the rest is Reality TV and game shows. I hope this strike goes long enough and the Networks hire new unionless writers just to stick it to these whining fucks. Give me six figures a year to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks and you won't here one complaint out of me.
Fuck Unions? How about Fuck Shallow that Payton Manning Cock sucking whore?
Haha...sall good
Nah, I just like the way he passes the ball. I refuse to suck the dick of anyone in a union.
Tanj; don't undersetimate the generosity of the big brands or other creators. Any creator that created something worth a damn will get a helping hand. Marvel was ready to give Cockrum a big hand before he passed. The hero initiative is great. I have no problem with people willingly donating money to people in need, but a union will cause so much damage to the industry quality wise I don't ever want to see it. You'll see artists behind on their schedules filing greivances when they get bumped from a book. Writers and artists on salary taking their sweet time. Prices go up while paper quality and coloring go down. Think about how bad network TV is right now. That's how bad it would get.
And indy creators still wouldn't get a dime. Indy publishers wouldn't be able to afford it and most would end up going under.
As for Bendis isn't selling that much. What does New Avengers pull in every month? Just over 100k? Marvel as a whole sells 3 million issues. Uncanny, Xmen, and Amazing Spridey sold more than that 15 years ago just the three of them combined. These days nearly 100 books can't do what 3 used to be able to do. The 6 or 7 Image books alone in 92 sold almost as much as the whole current industry. If Bendis sold 100k in 92 he'd be bumped off the book. The industry is already gone and needs to be revived.
no question there have been brighter times for comics, but Quesada has pulled Marvel out of bankruptcy and into the stratosphere. I saw their profit margins this year on newsarama, they made millions more this year than the las...and that's just the comics.
Marvel is doing better all the time, but certainly you're right that book sales today don't compare to the early 90s speculators boom. but how many people were just speculating and how many were actually reading back then? with that into account, right now may be a great time for the amount of readership in comparison to other times. especially when you consider the diverse demographic comics reach now.
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Most of those buys we're coming from kids with an extra 2 bucks in their pocket. With 5 or 6 variants and 10 million issues shipped X-Men #1 was never gonna be worth anything. Spawn maybe but that didn't pan out. There were books outside the top 50 that sold more than the number 1 spot these days.
Quesada did a lot to save Marvel from what it was a few years back but the medium as a whole is nothing compared to what it was. The industry is built on children and it always was and no kid is going to collect a universe at 2.99 an issue. They need fresh ideas, lower prices, and better marketing. Are the books better than ever now? Absolutely yes. But there still needs to be a new wave of kids books or 25 years from now you'll see a real slump in the business. Right now they have 10% of the audience that grew up on them. In a generation or two they'll have ten percent of what we have now if they don't do something to change it.
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i would be happiest if the medium switched to only graphic novel format. i'm tired of waiting on delays.
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i would be happiest if the medium switched to only graphic novel format. i'm tired of waiting on delays.
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As an adult sure, but I have such fond memories of rushing to the comic store early Wednesday Mornings in the summer and waiting outside the store with nearly a dozen other of the same kids every week hoping the new Gen 13 finally comes and getting into heated arguments over whether MacFarlane should return to pencilling and get rid of Capullo. Or wonder why Top Cow left Image then returned when Lobdell was given the boot. Those were great times that I wouldn't want to take away from the kids.
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shit, I'm one of those kids on wednesdays outside of comic shops (except with me it's after work, as opposed to the mornings) but I'd still prefer full stories in a decent format in one package.
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shit, I'm one of those kids on wednesdays outside of comic shops (except with me it's after work, as opposed to the mornings) but I'd still prefer full stories in a decent format in one package.
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Nothing beats being 13 years old on a summer morning waiting for the Daimond Distribution truck to come.
We can have both you know. Not everything works as well in novel form. It's like preferring all TV series to be movies. I'm glad All in the Family and Seinfeld were on-going series.
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true^ but I prefer even seinfeld in DVD format, episode after episode
especially when an 'arc' is made of subplots and such a la george's impending marriage
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true^ but I prefer even seinfeld in DVD format, episode after episode
especially when an 'arc' is made of subplots and such a la george's impending marriage
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Yeah but if it were created that way it never would have made it to that season. I prefered tuning in at thursday at 9 years ago and several times a day in syndication rather than waiting for a DVD box once a year every year.
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ll shows are going to be affected pretty much come mid december
smallville has 3 repeats in january and one new episode, then thats it until the strike is over
the dec 3 (i think) episode of heroes will be the last until the strike is over. the reshot the episode to make it a season finale if need be (if the strike goes that long..)
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If I were the networks I'd raise their DVD percentagew then lower prices so in the end they end up ith less money per sale just to spite them and make the actors and directors turn on them. Well, if I were really the networks I'd just fire them all and rehire.
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Writers strike could cost $21.3 million a day
As thousands of TV and film writers marched along Hollywood Boulevard in the third week of their strike, film officials put a price tag on the potential economic toll of the walkout. Los Angeles' economy will lose more than $20 million a day in direct production spending if the writers strike extends into next month, according to FilmL.A. Inc., the nonprofit group that handles film permits and promotes the industry.
"If the strike continues it's going to have a huge impact on the local economy and middle-class jobs," FilmL.A. President Steve MacDonald said Tuesday.
Writers walked out more than two weeks ago in a dispute with major studios over pay for work that is distributed via the Internet, video iPods, cellphones and other new media. Writers and major studios are set to resume talks Monday, although the guild has vowed to continue striking until a deal is finalized.
On Hollywood Boulevard on Tuesday afternoon, striking writers were joined by members of such unions as the Screen Actors Guild, Teamsters and Service Employees International Union. The solidarity march drew 4,000 people, according to the Writers Guild of America.
The 1 1/2 -hour rally, which moved along the historic stretch of the boulevard, kicked off with an appearance by R&B singer Alicia Keys. "I'm here in support of this cause," she said amid deafening cheers. "I want you to know I am a writer, too."
Depending on how long it lasts, the strike could end up inflicting more economic pain than the previous writers walkout in 1988, which lasted 22 weeks and cost the entertainment industry an estimated $500 million. That was the equivalent of a little more than $3 million a day.
Hollywood is a more dominant force in the region today, with studios and networks that are part of global media giants such as Time Warner Inc., Walt Disney Co. and News Corp. Los Angeles also is more dependent than ever on television production, which has taken the biggest hit in the strike. The walkout occurred in the middle of the fall TV season, before networks had a chance to stockpile all the scripts they needed.
Already, at least two dozen shows have stopped production, including dramas such as "24," "Cold Case" and "Desperate Housewives," late-night shows and several sitcoms including "Till Death," "The Office" and "My Name Is Earl."
Most TV shows are filmed in L.A., so the effect is especially acute here. If the strike continues into next month, virtually all of the 44 one-hour dramas and 21 situation comedies that are shot in Los Angeles will stop production entirely as the shows run out of fresh scripts to keep crews filming, industry officials say.
That will translate into a loss of 15,000 jobs and $21.3 million a day in direct spending, according to FilmL.A. The estimate is based on the average number of employees on these shows, and their typical budgets and shooting cycles.
For example, a single episode of a drama costs about $3 million to produce, employs 300 people and takes eight days to shoot. An episode of a half-hour sitcom costs $1.5 million, employs an average of 88 employees and has a five-day shooting cycle.
Sitcoms were the first to take a hit because of the shorter lead times in writing them. During the first two weeks of the strike, filming for sitcoms outside of studio soundstages dropped nearly 50% compared with the same period a year earlier, according to FilmL.A. Activity for TV dramas has been virtually flat, while on-location reality TV shoots jumped 23% recently.
FilmL.A.'s estimate is conservative because it only takes into account jobs in the industry, not the scores of jobs at restaurants, hotels and other businesses that service Hollywood. The entertainment industry accounts for almost 7% of Los Angeles County's $442-billion economy.
Nor does it factor in job losses from the feature film sector. Studios already have scripts in hand for their 2008 slates, so only a few feature films have delayed production, including Ron Howard's "Angels & Demons" and Oliver Stone's "Pinkville."
The level of disruption was underscored by Tuesday's march. Streets connecting to Hollywood Boulevard between Ivar and Highland avenues were closed to traffic for the march.
After Keys performed two songs, the crowd -- led by a small fleet of Teamsters trucks -- marched to the sound of drumbeats, waving signs and chanting, "Contracts! Now!" and "On strike, shut 'em down -- Hollywood's a union town!"
Creative messages dotted the sea of signs. One marcher took the opportunity to seek an eligible bachelor, waving a sign that said, "Looking for Mr. Write."
Helicopters and a small plane pulling a banner that said, "WGA -- on the same page," circled overhead. Representatives from Creative Artists Agency walked through the crowd serving scones and hot apple cider.
"The writers are fighting the fight that we have coming up next year, so we're staying with them every step of the way," said Pamm Fair, deputy national executive director of the Screen Actors Guild. The actors contract expires June 30.
The commotion drew attention from curious onlookers. Residents in apartment complexes along Hollywood Boulevard cheered from open windows, while store owners stood in their doorways, some handing out coupons to marchers.
The march came to an end in front of the Chinese theater, where "A Beautiful Mind" writer Akiva Goldsman, actress Sandra Oh of "Grey's Anatomy" and Writers Guild negotiation committee Chairman John F. Bowman took to the stage.
"Pay us and we'll shut up and go back to work," Bowman said during his speech. "Show some soul, we'll show some flexibility."