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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Meho on November 08, 2007, 09:42:22 AM
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Raekwon is so unhappy with Rza's direction for the new Wu-Tang Clan album that he threatened to release another Wu album without fellow member Rza.
In a recent interview with Hip-Hop personality Miss Info, Rae said that he and the other members of Wu are very unhappy with Rza's heavy guitar-layden beats on the group's upcoming comeback disc, 8 Diagrams. So much so that they will come out with a follow-up album if changes aren't made to this one, or of it's not permanently shelved.
"Rza's tryin' to create too much of a orchestra, piano ...he's trying to do too much of this guitar @#!* like he got a guitar on his @#*$ing back," Raekwon said. "We don't want that and the fans don't know us for that." [Watch Here]
Rae said the rift began with musical critiques by the group members of Rza's new sound.
"This is a new sound trust me, I know where I'm at and I'm the Rza, just trust me,'" Rae said Rza told the group. "No, we're not trusting you because we're not walkin' outta the studio happy. It's his vibe. He's like a hip-hop hippie right now."
After much back and forth, According to Raekwon, Rza still refused to change the music.
"Now it's to the point where it's like, Yo B, I'm not havin it ... I'm not cosigning that," Rae said. "If you got seven or eight brothers telling you blah, blah, blah, you gotta take heed to that. You been out-voted, B."
But at this point, the group is already over budget and the album is pretty much finished. Though Rae said nobody's happy with the project except Rza, it looks like it will hit the street as is. If that happens, Rae said he and the other members will release Shaolin vs Wutang, a response album without Rza.
"We gotta strike back with something right away to let them know we wasn't in agreement with that," Raekwon said. "If this album @#*$s around and goes that way, its gonna be a big shock to the game."
Whether the artistic differences get settled before the album is pressed or not, Rae said the money situation needs to be set straight.
"Don't play with a grown man's pocket, B." Raekwon said. "At the end of the day, you may have felt like you put millions in a @#*$%'s pocket. We appreciate it, but you know what? Don't ever let a @#*$% feel like you stealin' from him or you takin' something from him or you bein' sneaky and you can't show and prove certain things."
Raekwon wasn't specific about the allegations of money mismanagement, but he as much as called Rza a thief.
"Don't rob me and be my friend," he said. "I ain't with that. You don't rob your friends," Rae said. "You might as well be pimpin' me or something. You ain't payin' me ... you ain't keeping me fresh."
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Damn! This isnt good news, but it'll be interesting to hear 8 Diiagrams!
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The tracks ive heard i havent really felt that much so ill be glad if they make a more soulful album
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i wonder how it's gonna turn out
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damn, this dont look good...hope the gonna find a solution to this problem..harsh words tho
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dont air your family out to the world.
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miss info got it going on. pretty attractive
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guitars and shit? LOOK WHAT THE FUCKIN SHOP BOYZ DUN DID! RZA IS ALL BOUT ROCKIN OUT lol...its upsetting tho to see the beef in the wu camp :-\
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^shut the fuck up, the RZA is not swagger jackin fuckin Shop Boyz......RZA is a fuckin genius, he created the whole Wutang sound so I trust that his shit will be hot.....I dont get why Rae is airin RZA out....settle that shit within the family.....airin him out in public isnt gonna solve shit.....
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I can really feel what Rae is saying.
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i have enough faith in RZA to buy this album without hearing a single track before hand
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There was Dre Day, now looks like it gonna be Rae Day ;D
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i have enough faith in RZA to buy this album without hearing a single track before hand
Hmm, I used to think that too, but after I heard that record AFTER Digital bullet (I think it was called Rza - The Prince or some shit), I started to have concern regarding RZA and his musical styles nowadays.
Is it just me, or does he stick to one keyboard, on a whole album, and never change it up?
I undertsand that style was tight on Bobby Digital, and Digital Bullet, but still.... I'm kinda torn here, because I can just imagine RZA having an archive of beats, prolly as much as Dre, and Rae hears all sorts of hard stuff, suggest it to RZA, but RZA has other directions for this album to go.
Although airing all of thi out in public really stinks.... Still picking up the album when it drops, just a little concerned about the future of the Wu, as we know it.
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I remember reading a long time ago how the Wu-Tang Forever album was supposed to be full of orchestra/piano beats (well that's what RZA wanted) but the rest of the Clan wasn't having it. Anyways I hope this new CD comes out (Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang). Just imagine a Wu album full of beats from 4th Disciple, Inspectah Deck, Mathematics etc. I mean that would be fuckin hot.
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^shut the fuck up, the RZA is not swagger jackin fuckin Shop Boyz......RZA is a fuckin genius, he created the whole Wutang sound so I trust that his shit will be hot.....I dont get why Rae is airin RZA out....settle that shit within the family.....airin him out in public isnt gonna solve shit.....
calm the fuck down nigga. im not sayin he stole the shop boyz shit, im just jkin, any moron can realize that... :loco:...i heard the way rae was talkin bout rza, and rockin out with his guitar and shit, nigga cant joke? album is gunna be hot tho...and it will drop, no matter what rae thinks 8)
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Without Rza these guys aint shit. Its dudes beats, production and his leadership imo that brought it all together.
You can have a bunch of talented guys Ie Ghost , Rae, Deck and the others but withouth the captain of the team ....i dont think they would of made it that far.
Exept maybe for Meth because he has so much charisma
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Without Rza these guys aint shit. Its dudes beats, prodcution and his leadership imo that brought it all togther.
You can have a bunch of talented guys Ie Ghost, Rae,Deck and the others but withouth the captain of the team ....i odnt think they would of made it that far.
Exept maybe for Meth because he has so much charisma
true that+1
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:'(
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I can really feel what Rae is saying.
i can hear it
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the rza is so much of genius, only him can understand and like his music, i have not feel one of his beats since 2000
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Damn, not a good sign when RZA the rest of the group disagrees on the production.
I love what RZA's done over the years, though I haven't heard all of his stuff. But even all the recent stuff I've heard by him were dope (like Presidential MC on Meth's 4.21. album and the "Chamber of Fear" commercial he did, for Nike I believe. But guitar shit all over the place... I dunno. He must've got carried away with the Guitar Gently Weeps-concept.
I'm kinda torn on how to feel by this. Hip-Hop should always be pushing the envelope amd surely RZA has always been a dude to do that, but still it'll be weird if a Wu album doesn't like... well, a Wu album.
And the money shit obviously doesn't help with the tension in the group. But I guess that's always been an issue, having to divide the income from one record so many ways and all that.
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i hope you dumbfukks on here are smart enough by now to know this inner beef is for album publicity
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I hope thats true. Otherwise, this sucks monkey balls. :-\
I love the RZA, his production and raps is great but yeah, its supposed to be a Wu-tang album, not just a RZA album.
I also think that the conflict within the Wu camp is often blown outta proportion, these dudes fight between themselves regularly its a normal thing between brothers, I don't think its going to be on some Game vs 50 type bullshit (I hope).
I don't care if I have to wait another YEAR for 8 Diagrams, just so long as it is released how it is supposed to be, rather than on a sub-par level or on a level that is not agreed upon by the whole Wu.
also fuck miss info, bitch thrives on scandal and gossip.
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Didnt RZA sample "As my guitar gently weeps" for this new album, that would be interesting.
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The tracks ive heard i havent really felt that much so ill be glad if they make a more soulful album
SOULFUL ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Are you kidding me ?
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i hope you dumbfukks on here are smart enough by now to know this inner beef is for album publicity
I don't see how Raekwon coming out and saying the album isn't what the clan (minus RZA) want it to be is good publicity for 8 Diagrams.
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i hope you dumbfukks on here are smart enough by now to know this inner beef is for album publicity
I don't see how Raekwon coming out and saying the album isn't what the clan (minus RZA) want it to be is good publicity for 8 Diagrams.
word...why would he bash the album? that wouldnt help... ???
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true. but as I understand it, the Wu and also the Killa Beez ain't always been on good terms with each other, there has always been love and turmoil, order and chaos, so I aint so torn up over this current rift. There will still be good music and insight coming thru the Wu's gate for many years to come, even if it isnt from the core members all working together...somewhere there is always a Wu affiliate or a general scheming on how to bring us that hip-hop in it's purest form.
'To all my people across the World...this is real Hip-Hop right here, in it's purest form...'
-RZA Intro off Wu-Tang Forever.