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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mellowman on July 08, 2001, 08:05:57 PM
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a few people have been talking about a lot of the anti-dre things floating around on the net and on some forums, including this one. don't sweat these people. its human nature to try and bring down the ones on top. i would be worried if there wasn't dre criticism, doubters, haters, etc. this would mean that dre's music didn't matter. dre is at the top and when you're number one for every supporter you got you have 100 people against you trying to bring you down. there are a lot of factors that lead to people hating dre. one is a lack of musical knowledge. one is lack of common sense. another is that when someone is struggling in life it makes them feel better to go after someone thats doing well. the biggest reason is jealousy. this goes for the every day listener to people like suge in the industry. people hate people they can never be.people hate dre because they have envy and jealousy for all of dre's success. some of these people have a hard life and hate that dre is doing so well and they aren't. dre is in his 30's and he is worth 9 figures. he never has to work again.he has a great family and will enjoy a life most people can't have. and he is a legend, now and forever. and his catologue of music is matched only by a handful of other producers in the history of music. and he's not done yet.
recently on this site we had a gentleman post a thread saying that dre has fell off. he argued with no hard evidence. the only evidence he had was to say in his opinion dre's old music is better than his new music. thats the only thing he based his arguement on. a lot of people on this board took issue with his post and strongly supported dre. i posted a reply as well. in my reply i stated that i had no problem with a person liking dre's old music better than his newer stuff. that's a matter of musical taste and opinion. on my reply i did discredit or rebut every statement he made. he talked about a few things that were inaccurate and i pointed those out. i also pointed out things that showed that dre has not fell off. i pointed out that dre was a better and more complete producer now more than ever, cause i see it firsthand. i did not say the music he was putting out was better than stuff he did 10 years ago.that's an impossible thing to judge. dre has used many styles and its just personal opinion which one you like better. on that same reply i made my arguement why dre has not fell off. one was record sales and that more people are buying his music more than ever. but sales alone are not a good reason to say that dre hasn't fell off. you then have to look at respect in the industry. if quincy jones comes out and says dre has fallen off then dre would need to listen to that advice and look deep inside himself and get better.but that hasn't happened and it will never happen. dre will listen to people who have done what he has done. those are the only opinions that should count. the rest dre don't give a fuck about anymore. right now the respect for dre in the music industry is at an all time high. everyone wants to work with him including 3 other living legends - michael jackson. madonna and paul mc cartmey. most people in rap want to work with him as do most people in r and b. in a recent survey of the top 22 record executives dre got the most votes when they were asked who would be the most successful artist in music over the next 7 years. a few executives called dre the top creative force and the most talented person in all of music. last year dre won producer of the year in the grammy's for all music. all this is as close as you can get to evidence that dre has not fallen off. your opinion may be different but the fact is undeniable that dre is as good as ever.
the gentleman who insisted that dre has fallen off (cwalker187 i believe) later posted a reply on that same thread that we had no offered any evidence to contridict his opinion. so either he can't read or he skipped over my post. and he didn't answer the most important questions on that entire post. the questions was whether he'd actually produced a hit record and whether he had ever watched dre in person. he didn't answer those questions so i assume the answer is no. if you can't answer those questions with a yes you can not judge whether or not someone has fell off. you can have your opinion. but you can't win an arguement against anyone who answers yes to those two questions. every person who can answer both questions would tell you dre is a genious whose magic in the studio has not lessened, it has in fact grown stronger. you can't change the opinion of these haters, naysayers, doubters and "critics".so its stupid to try and change them. you can't change ignorance, jealosy. hatred, stupidity, lack of musical experience or knowledge. the fact remains dre is the top motherfucker in the game. but there is not a person on the world who is not hated, disrespected, disliked or the object of jealousy. no one is perfect, and dre will be the first one to tell you that he isn't either. no beat he makes will ever be liked by everybody. the same way with his styles. dre has set the standards so high people expect miracles and will never be happy. i don't know what some people expect from dre. just respect him and move on whether you like him or not. and buy his music and enjoy. he's giving everything he's got on every song.and he will continue to put out consisitenty hot shit. sometimes its will be average, some will be great, some will be classic and some will be legendary.
so in conclusion don't sweat the dre haters and doubters. cause dre doesn't. dre will continue to live his impossible dream of a career and life and some of the people who can never have what he has or will ever be what he is will always try to bring down dre or deny his talent. but they are wasting their life worrying about some one they can't stop. you can't stop dre. those people will either continue to waste their life away or maybe just maybe worry about their own life and work as hard as dre does.when they do that they might just do some with their life. peace to everyone, including the people who dislike dre. just give him his due respect and move on to something else.
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i apologize that i brought up the cwalker cat again.i hate giving credence to ignorant comments once, let alone twice. i will do my best to ignore any future responce to bullshit posts in the future, other than bringing up this post again. the reason i brought up his example again was to prove a point. you can destroy someones opinion, theories, or lies with the truth a million times and you will never change that persons opinion. so its no use and a waste of time to try and change them. feel sorry for them, ignore them and move on. and remember to ask yourself a few questions. will that person's stupid comments, disrespect or opinion affect your life? will it affect dre's? will it stop dre from being a legend? will it stop dre from living his dream life? will it stop dre from being succesful? the answer to these questions is NO. so in the grand scheme of things what that person thinks means nothing. it won't hurt or stop dre and it won't hurt you or stop you from doing what you want to do. let those people waste their life away and be mad at the world. you need to focus on your life, work hard and don't let what outsiders think of you affect you or stop you from being successful. that's what i'm doing, and thats what dre's doing. focus, work hard and let the people trying to bring you down waste their life away worrying about you more than they do themselves. cause when it comes down to it you will are going to be more successful than they are and the person who is trying to bring you down knows that and it hurts them deeply.
that was the point of this post. pretend the haters don't exist. cause when it comes down to it what they think or say don't mean a damn thing.its what you and the people who love you think about you is what you need to worry about .nothing else matters. peace.
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*SHARP INTAKE OF BREATH*
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
THAT WAS A LONG ASS TOPIC...BUT I APPRECIATE THA MELLOWEST OF MEN 4 POSTIN IT.....I HOPE U DRE HATERS READ AND TAKE HEED!!
HEY IT RHYMES...ILLL WRITE IT AGAIN!
READ AND TAKE HEED
;D
peace
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Well said Mellowman.
One other thing that irks me is when some people discredit Dre because he doesn't play all of his own instuments, unlike say, DJ Quik. Make no mistake, Quik is one of the top producers in the game, but Dre has the best EAR in the game. A lot of cats could play keys, drums, guitars and such. However there's not many cats in the game that can orchestrate a beat that will have you bobbin' your head the first time you hear it. I'm sure most of us when crazy when we first heard Still Dre and the clean production that came with it. The first thing that came to my mind when I heard that was how good it would feel to cruise down the street in my ol skool stang' bumpin Dr. Dre when it came out. Another thing is that people in the clubs go crazy whenver F--- You or the Next Episode is played, just like they did before with G Thang and Dre Day back in the day.
When you're at the top, people definitely want you take you down. People did it to Master P, and now they're doing it to Dre. What's messed up is that you have malicious people in the West Coast(Dre's own home) trying to take him down.
My point is that the day Dre slips a little is when we stop bobbing our heads to his funky beats, and not when he decides to evolve his music to our everchanging world. That's just my two cents. Peace.
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And The Funny Thing Is:
That's Bullshit. Even Quik Doesn't Play His Instruments. He Plays A Friekin' Keyboard. He Can't Play Guitar! He May Be Able To Play Drums, But I'm Not Sure... Dre Can Play Drums And Keyboard, But Usually Gets Other Peeps To Do It.
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Well everything you said there to me is bullshit.
Why? Cause I hate Dre. Plain and simple but I still respect what the guy has done for rap. I think Dre is one of the wackest rappers around but the no.1 producer around. He has done so much for rap that he is that good people just hate him for being that.
Not me. I hate him cause I think he is a wack rapper and I'll never like him. I would work with him if I was a rapper cause I would be bount to make loadsa money from collabing with him but that's about it.
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Have you ever met him N-Imy?
Didn't think so
HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU HATE SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY'RE A CRAP RAPPER?
FOR FUCKS SAKE N-IMY GROW UP
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Hmm... That's True. I can't Really Say I Hate Ja Rule, I Just Hate His Music... I've Met That... LOL...
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That's what I'm saying. I hate Ja Rule's music, but if I met him he could be one of the nicest peeps I've ever met.
If N-Imy said, I hate Dre cause I met him once and he was an asshole when I asked him for an autograph- I could understand that
He really should grow up
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true dat Jay_ay_Bee... N-Imy... man you can't say you hate Dre just cause you dont like his rapping
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What happened to my message anyway...
Like Outkast or Cypress , Dre constantly reinvents himself , if people don't understand and respect this ,they don't know what they're talking about...
Personally, my only regret is that he abandonned the melody for the minimalist shit ,so if some cats don't like his new style i can't blame them.
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and i third that comment......
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true dat Jay_ay_Bee... N-Imy... man you can't say you hate Dre just cause you dont like his rapping
dats wat im thirding lol if ya was wondrin
yo take a look at ma quotes, dats wat i fink>>
peaze
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Flurry are you from Manchester originally?
Cause I'm from Wythenshawe originally, now I live in Beeeeeerrrrrrrrrmeeeeeennngggghhhhaaammm
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ok you people saying I can't hate Dre cause I never met him before so I don't know wot he's like. Then how the fuck could you know if Em is a pussy or not just by looking at him (cause of this whole thing wit Everlast). Answer me that cause i'm going by wot your saying and my judgement of Dre is the exact one of Eminem.
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alright people lets get off tha dre thing..fo real... if u liek him.. udo..whch i d.. if ya dont.. thas ur opinion.... but no matter what u say.... his music is tha shit and u kno this
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Then how the fuck could you know if Em is a pussy or not just by looking at him
Personally I have never called Eminem a pussy.
But this is not about Em
I am asking YOU why you hate Dre. Can you give me a proper credible reason for 'hating' him?
Didn't think so
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Why is it whenever the name DRE is brought up everybody starts trippin??
For real if N-Imy dont like DRE he dont like DRE, he never said if he met Dre he was gonna act like a fool, i know his reasons for hating Dre are a lil thin but its his personal preferance.
However hate is a strong word to use, if you hate someone cos of their mic skills you got problems
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if you hate someone cos of their mic skills you got problems
DAMN right
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i would like to thank n-imy for proving the point of my post and giving everyone an example of the people i was talking about on this post. i've tried to help n-imy a few times with some constructive criticisms, but like i said, some people can't be helped. n-imy is so full of hate and anger that on this board alone he has disrespected an entire country of people and told everybody he hates dre because he doesn't like is rapping skills? how sad is that? my thread was not aimed at people who just dislike dre. thats no big deal. but disliking dre is much different than hating or disrespecting dre when they've never even met him. thats why i aimed this thread at haters, doubters, naysayers and critics.i feel sorry for people like n-imy, i really do. cause there is nothing i or anybody else can do for him. if he wants to waste his life away and let his hate eat him up inside, fine.i don't give a fuck. he has to learn life's lessons on his own. instead of dismissing my posts on this thread as "bullshit" maybe he should read them again,then look himself in the mirror and decide to let his hate go and grow up. but what n-imy does is up to him. not me, not you, not anybody but n-imy. fortunately, he is a kid and has a chance to change before its too late. if he reads this post i want to wish him good luck. i won't pick on you or talk about you ever again. because there are a lot more people than you that i addressed this message to.
i won't comment on this topic again. there's nothing more for me to say. i think my 3 posts on this thread have said everything i need to say. its time to move on and answer the questions you post and stick to the music.
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Your Words R Weapons ;D
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Your Words R Weapons ;D
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??? Ahhh Sheeeet..
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i would like to thank n-imy for proving the point of my post and giving everyone an example of the people i was talking about on this post. i've tried to help n-imy a few times with some constructive criticisms, but like i said, some people can't be helped. n-imy is so full of hate and anger that on this board alone he has disrespected an entire country of people and told everybody he hates dre because he doesn't like is rapping skills? how sad is that? my thread was not aimed at people who just dislike dre. thats no big deal. but disliking dre is much different than hating or disrespecting dre when they've never even met him. thats why i aimed this thread at haters, doubters, naysayers and critics.i feel sorry for people like n-imy, i really do. cause there is nothing i or anybody else can do for him. if he wants to waste his life away and let his hate eat him up inside, fine.i don't give a fuck. he has to learn life's lessons on his own. instead of dismissing my posts on this thread as "bullshit" maybe he should read them again,then look himself in the mirror and decide to let his hate go and grow up. but what n-imy does is up to him. not me, not you, not anybody but n-imy. fortunately, he is a kid and has a chance to change before its too late. if he reads this post i want to wish him good luck. i won't pick on you or talk about you ever again. because there are a lot more people than you that i addressed this message to.
i won't comment on this topic again. there's nothing more for me to say. i think my 3 posts on this thread have said everything i need to say. its time to move on and answer the questions you post and stick to the music.
Ok I just had to reply to this cause to me you seem like a very narrow minded person. Wot are you my shrink or summin' the way you talk it sound slike it also you must be phsycotic to tell wot I think. So here goes:
First off you say I musn't have read any of your posts or shit. Well did you read mine? Because if you did you would have seen that I said I respect Dre's producing and wot he has done for rap but hate him as a rapper. So maybe you will read this post and see wot I'm saying. Also you don't need to feel sorry for me. I'm not the one who wants to suck Dre's dick and fuck him up the arse. Obviously you don't respect other people's views and instead you are a Dre lover who thinks everybody should like him. Ok if Dre is that good then why is he always collabing with people mostly from his label (he chooses them, not them wanting to collab with Dre) or Snoop. He says it's trying to promote his artists. Is it hell. He is just using them to help sell his stuff. And people say Dre made Snoop. That is true but at the same time Snoop has made Dre. Who has featured most on Dre's songs. Snoop. Who has been on 2 out of 3 songs been released so far by Dre since his return in 1999. Snoop.
And last you say you cannot hate some1 if you have never met them. You can only dislike them. Well I must have some fucking idiotic teachers and people who make dictionaries must be real thick aswell. Cause I always knew dislike to be a lighter way of saying hate but in the end they both still mean the same thing. "I dislike Dre" is still the same as "I hate Dre" except a different word of spelling.
You know it seems to me that a lot of people have just read the part that I say I hate Dre and thought "Oh no, they ain't dissin' my idle". Cuase if you had bothered to read my post then maybe the intelligent people would have seen wot I meant but you always gonna have the other people who so stuck up an artists ass that they don't have time to read the posr properly or at all.
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Man, I jus' thoroughly read yo' shit & I as a person
respect everybodys views & oppinions even if I
strongly dissagree with them. & I am a huge follower
of Dre & I can see from an extent why everyone is
taking your comment bout hatin' on Dre to the
heart. I mean when you say u "Hate" Dre because
you find his rhymes whack it seems a bit blant as
that is not really a stable reason to go on. I mean
you could say you "Hate" his rhymes, but to say
you "Hate" him, as a person (that's what it comes
across as), due to his bad rhymes (in your oppinion)
then that seems pretty shallow. But if thats what u
truly feel then thats your oppinion & everybody
should respect that cos if it wasn't 4 differences in
oppinions this place wouldn't b as informative &
challenging as it seems.
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For the love of GOD N-Imy, let this topic go. The whole point of Mellow's comments were to tell us to avoid the Dre haters. He wasn't trying to start shit with people who hate him, but tell us to avoid it... (Yes I am aware that I am totally not doing that right now) I for one am in total agreement with Mellow, and the majority of the other peeps who posted on this thread that people who hate on someone you respect should be avoided. You hatin on Dre won't bring him down, so why should we care? After this point, I am going to put all of Mellows comments to work, and avoid the haters. All I ask is that you let those of us who do think Dre is the shit, have our conversations without you, or whoever putting thier 2 cents in about hating them. Save those comments for a Dre hatin page or something. I'm sure there a some Death Row boards. Not tryin to piss you off, just hopin to keep this thread open for people to take Mellows advice into consideration... Not get caught up in exactly what he said we should stay away from. I should have done that to start with...
Peace
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Yo 704D you truely are a real person cause you know where I'm comming from with my views and although you disagree with some points you still respect my views and I respect you for that.
As for The Big Bad Ass. Why say to me let this topic go. I gave my opinion and people who like Dre responded but in a way that they did not read my points I stated and obviously you have not read Mellowmans post to me cause if you had you would not have just said wot you did say. Because did he in no way say that to avoid people like me but instead criticised me for not liking Dre and ginving a load of bullshit speech. I gave my opinion on Dre and if you were man enough you would have respected my views and in your reply said summin like "N-Imy I repsect your opinion but in this instance I have to disagree with some views you made. First off......." and so on rather than comming in here and practically saying to be shut up and for that I give no repsect to yourself. And as for hating some artist. That is soley my choice and cause I hate Dre you should not be offended in anyway by me or think "He's a fucking idiot" because if we didn't all have different opinions then this world would be one fucked up world and I would be asking some1 to shoot me. All I am saying is that you should respect other people's views and not say "you just a stupid ass" because some1 you like somebody else doesn't and that's wot this really comes down to. You either like Dre or hate Dre.
Also you say I cannot hate Dre cause Ihave not met him. How can you like Dre if you have not met him either. Maybe he is a real dick and very annoying and shows no respect to fans.
Also people who hate an artist should be able to express their views on them without having to start and internet fued with other people. I said my views in a respectable manner in which way were not offensive to other people yet I still got people on my back. You know at least I said wot I said in a proper and mature manner rather than some little childish way.
Oh and I fogot to say to Mellowman. You called me a young child who still has time to grow up and change. I am 16 so practically an adult (one here in Scotland). SO I cannot be a young child and as for changing. I will only ever change my views on Dre if I see summin' worth listening to that I think Dre is tight in.
And last but by all means not least. I wish to put this in bold as people do not seem to be picking up on it:
I have said many times that I repsect Dre madly as a producer and think he is number one in the business today. I also respect wot he has done to change rap and bring it forward and I also respect that he is always going to be at the front when rap changes again (hopefully for the better again). The fact of the matter is I only hate (no wait better put dislike here) as a rapper because I think he is a talentless rapper. That does not mean you think he is that to. That is only my opinion. Out (hopefully for the last time)
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How can you like Dre if you have not met him either.
The fact of the matter is I only hate (no wait better put dislike here) as a rapper because I think he is a talentless rapper.
The Main Problems Are:
1. You're Pretty Immature. All The Comments About People Being Gay Just Because They Disagree With You Show You're Immaturity.
2. You're Using The Wrong Words. You Say You Cannot Like Dre Because You've NEver Met Him. WRONG, We're Saying You Can Like, Or Dislike Dre, And NOt Meet Him. Those Aren't Strong Emotions. What You MEANT To Say Was You Can't LOVE Dre, Because You've Never Met Him. On The Flip Side, You Cannot HATE Dre, If You've Never Met Him,Because That's Too Strong Of An Emotion, Ya Underdig? It's Simple Vocabulary...
Now, If You're Talking About Something That You HAVE Met, Or Been In Contact With , You CAN Use Those Words. For Instance, It's Possible To HATE Dre's Music, Because You've Met Dre's Music... You Can Say You HATE Dre's Rapping Skills, But You Can't Say You Hate Dre, Because You've Never Came Into Contact With Dre.
Oh, And By The Way, I Have A Psychology Degree, So... Take It From Me, Mellowman's point That You Have A Lot Of Anger In You Is On Point....
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First off, I would like to say I hate 99% of the people on this forum. Second, Mellowman (please take Dre's dick outta ya mouth so I can understand you). Third, so you are saying someone is only successful if they get criticized, well I guess Nysnc is the greatest group ever...
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n-imy, your got a funky lil mind there....
i can get how you respect dre and like him as a producer and not really like his rapping, i think every one thinks that way, no duh cuz dre says himself he ain't a rapper he's a PRODUCER first
but then you say you HATE him? why? really...you like him as a producer, and respect him but you HATE him, you might dislike his rapping but HATE?
do you know what hate is?
hate mean that you have rage toward him and dislike him so strongly you'd kill him or do horrible things to him, now ask yourself would you do that?
i really don't like nelly but i ain't gonna kill the dude, i'd probably slap him around but i don't dislike him that much
you sound very confused...seriously
if your whole point was
"i respect dre, i like his production but don't like his rapping'
::mocks retard::
don't make no big production and complexity on what you said all you had to say was
"i respect dre, i like his production but don't like his rapping'
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Yo Nimy, I do respect your opinion. I wouldn't post in forum if there weren't different opinions on some topics. I was simply saying that a thread that is about avoiding the haters, may not be the best place for one to say they hate someone. But that is fine that you hate Dre. I don't really have a problem with your opinion, I just didn't understand why you chose this tread to voice it.
As for the ruthless thug... Damn, to hate 99% of us with only one post, you must be ruthless.
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i have sent a personal message to n-imy. what was said is between him and me. hopefully he finally understands where everyone is coming from. so i'm going to leave him alone and i urge everyone else to as well. if he continues to post the way he's been posting then just ignore him. but i think he will finally leave the personal comments that are unnecessary and hurtful alone and just give his opinions on music only. so lets kill this noise and leave n-imy alone, give him a chance to change and see what approach he takes. peace.
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yeah yo udid send me a PM mellowman but wot you forgot to mention was wot you just said above. If I had read that I probably would have put a whole different view on my reply.