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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: CWalker187 on July 04, 2001, 02:07:42 PM
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I find it amazing that people on this message board talk about Dr Dre like he is still tight. I think you guys have talked yourself into liking the crap that he has been putting out of late, but deep down you know it sucks. True fans of Dre that have followed his career since the late 80's know that he is wack now. The reason: he has completely abandoned the funk sound.
Now he sounds like a basic, run of the mill, east coast producer. Nothing he makes is distinctive like it used to be. Nowadays, all his stuff sounds the same: the songs he did on Eminem's last album sounds almost identical to the work he did on Xzibit and Eve's albums. Heck, I think the beat from "the Message" off 2001 is the exact same one he used for Eve's "Blow Your Mind".
The simiilarity between all his songs wouldnt be that bad if they at least sounded good, but they dont. What happened to the laid back funk sound from The Chronic? Or the up banging, up tempo beats from NWA's two albums? Yeah those sounds may be a little out dated, but I think younger producers like Meech Wells, Battlecat, and Fred Wreck have shown that you can take these old classic sounds and update them for today's audience.
Unfortunately, for the most part Dr Dre doesnt do that. Like I said before, he sounds like an average, run of the mill east coast producer. What happened to the layered and complex tracks he used to put down? Nowadays all his beats are stripped down, basic, and very boring.
In my opinion, Dre's 2001 album was mediocore at best, and definitely not the classic everyone makes it out to be. I think the only two great songs on it are the "The Next Episode" and "Xxplosive". A few other songs like "Fuck You" and "The Watcher" are pretty good, but the rest of the album is garbage. The same goes for most of his other work with Eminem, Xzibit, Eve etc. Do you actually think people will be bumping the stuff he is doing now in ten years? No way. None of it is classic like the Chronic, Doggystyle, Straight Outta Compton etc. That stuff will be played 25 years from now. In contrast, I highly doubt Dre's newer stuff will be remembered 1 year from now.
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Let Me Guess.... YOu post over at the Deathrow forum. ::)
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lol oh boy your gonna get it
first dre is still better than any producer out there, no one can match his talent NO ONE, not primo , not rza, not daz, not pete, not fred and definatly not meech, the only 2 that come close are warren and quik and they still gawk at his talents and are amazed...still
and to say his beats suck now is the funnniest thing i've heard all my life ...really your the next chris rock/eddie murphy, if he's so bad then why is every one and their momma riding his cock in the music biz , why is every one and their dog's ucnles' owners' roache's baby's momma's goldfish wanting him to produce their album
not being remembered in a year?? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha chronic 2001 remained on the charts for a year and they still play his shit from that on the radio all the time
i mean damn dogg just becuase you ain't feelin' dre no more don't make it fact , all i got to say is i'm going to feel sorry for you when the homie mellow man schools you like iverson and bashes you like shaq
peace!
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I find it amazing that people on this message board talk about Dr Dre like he is still tight. I think you guys have talked yourself into liking the crap that he has been putting out of late, but deep down you know it sucks. True fans of Dre that have followed his career since the late 80's know that he is wack now. The reason: he has completely abandoned the funk sound.
Now he sounds like a basic, run of the mill, east coast producer. Nothing he makes is distinctive like it used to be. Nowadays, all his stuff sounds the same: the songs he did on Eminem's last album sounds almost identical to the work he did on Xzibit and Eve's albums. Heck, I think the beat from "the Message" off 2001 is the exact same one he used for Eve's "Blow Your Mind".
The simiilarity between all his songs wouldnt be that bad if they at least sounded good, but they dont. What happened to the laid back funk sound from The Chronic? Or the up banging, up tempo beats from NWA's two albums? Yeah those sounds may be a little out dated, but I think younger producers like Meech Wells, Battlecat, and Fred Wreck have shown that you can take these old classic sounds and update them for today's audience.
Unfortunately, for the most part Dr Dre doesnt do that. Like I said before, he sounds like an average, run of the mill east coast producer. What happened to the layered and complex tracks he used to put down? Nowadays all his beats are stripped down, basic, and very boring.
In my opinion, Dre's 2001 album was mediocore at best, and definitely not the classic everyone makes it out to be. I think the only two great songs on it are the "The Next Episode" and "Xxplosive". A few other songs like "Fuck You" and "The Watcher" are pretty good, but the rest of the album is garbage. The same goes for most of his other work with Eminem, Xzibit, Eve etc. Do you actually think people will be bumping the stuff he is doing now in ten years? No way. None of it is classic like the Chronic, Doggystyle, Straight Outta Compton etc. That stuff will be played 25 years from now. In contrast, I highly doubt Dre's newer stuff will be remembered 1 year from now.
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I find it amazing that people on this message board talk about Dr Dre like he is still tight. I think you guys have talked yourself into liking the crap that he has been putting out of late, but deep down you know it sucks. True fans of Dre that have followed his career since the late 80's know that he is wack now. The reason: he has completely abandoned the funk sound.
Now he sounds like a basic, run of the mill, east coast producer. Nothing he makes is distinctive like it used to be. Nowadays, all his stuff sounds the same: the songs he did on Eminem's last album sounds almost identical to the work he did on Xzibit and Eve's albums. Heck, I think the beat from "the Message" off 2001 is the exact same one he used for Eve's "Blow Your Mind".
The simiilarity between all his songs wouldnt be that bad if they at least sounded good, but they dont. What happened to the laid back funk sound from The Chronic? Or the up banging, up tempo beats from NWA's two albums? Yeah those sounds may be a little out dated, but I think younger producers like Meech Wells, Battlecat, and Fred Wreck have shown that you can take these old classic sounds and update them for today's audience.
Unfortunately, for the most part Dr Dre doesnt do that. Like I said before, he sounds like an average, run of the mill east coast producer. What happened to the layered and complex tracks he used to put down? Nowadays all his beats are stripped down, basic, and very boring.
In my opinion, Dre's 2001 album was mediocore at best, and definitely not the classic everyone makes it out to be. I think the only two great songs on it are the "The Next Episode" and "Xxplosive". A few other songs like "Fuck You" and "The Watcher" are pretty good, but the rest of the album is garbage. The same goes for most of his other work with Eminem, Xzibit, Eve etc. Do you actually think people will be bumping the stuff he is doing now in ten years? No way. None of it is classic like the Chronic, Doggystyle, Straight Outta Compton etc. That stuff will be played 25 years from now. In contrast, I highly doubt Dre's newer stuff will be remembered 1 year from now.
I really have to agree with you, nothing dre releases makes me feel yeah this is a classic it all sounds plain, simple and to shit to be Dre, one minute he is saying it is gangsta music then another it's says it's millenium sounding music(what the f those that mean). :'(
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i never stopped loving Dres shit, sucks to be you i guess, peace.
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Yo peeps probably know by now that I fucking hate Dre but even in this case I have to stick up for him cause some of the comments CWalker187 made are mediocre.
1. Dre is a great producer. Nobody can touch his shit. The only person I think can come close and produce mad beats is Timberland. They both nearly on the same level but Dre is the more experienced and will always be on top. I think his latest album may be a hit, just depends on wo tsongs he bring out first before releasing his album.
2. Chronic was a classic album and I have to agree to an extent about the Chronic 2001 album. See I loved Dre befo' this album and was a great follower of his shit but then this album dropped and I was like :o .What the hell has happened to Mr Gangster. The guy wa sjust oging on about fucking bitches, drinking and smoking weed and I wasn't realy feeling that album but it still made the sales and is close tobeing a classic but just a bit of a slip on a few tracks by Dre let it down.
3. As for the rest of the producing Dre has done on albums only a very small number of tunes sound the same but that's rap. It is amazing how a guy could be around for so long and still produce many different sounds. When you starting to doubt him and like, "Where he at?" he just pop up with a funky beat and you like, "Yeah, that's my man Dre".
4. As for Dre's newer stuff being remembered in a year. lol. Hell of course he gonna be remembered. This guy is gonna be remembered still in like 10 years time cause he still gonna be producing shit in ten years time. The guy may not be able to match the stuff of The Chronic but that was when Dre came out with new shit and changed the whole rap game. Now you got so many people that it is hard to compete in the rap business these days but Dre will be remembered.
Obviously you haven't taken the time to appreciate what Dre has done for rap and you just expect too much from the guy. Man I absolutely hate Dre very bad but I still respect wot he has accomplished and I still praise him in places when he does shit.
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I don't agree with that at all. In my opinion Dre is the best in the game at what he does, I also think he can rap pretty well too. I thought Chronic 2001 was dope, a close match to the original that's considered a classic. If you had to ask me which was better Chronic or 2001 i'd seriously have to think about it, im not down with this whole Chronics a classic therefore I HAVE TO think it's better then anything else Dre puts out. I don't even think Dres put out his best material yet. I respect Dre for what he's accomplished and his producing skills but the only area I think he fell off in is the respect area. After Suge Knight bascially stripped him of his manhood it's hard to hear Dre make a record and not laugh when he's talking about killing people with machine guns after smoking a blunt. It's considered almost common knowledge in the streets and in the industry that Dres a pussy and his gangsta image a hudge act. I know personally after hearing Suge Knight say the things he said and Dre not standing up for himself like any man would do I lost ALOT of respect for DRE. Vanilla Ice has been known to speak out more against Suge Knight then Dre has. In my opinion if a man shits in your face you atleast try and wipe it off , DRE didn't even try. His sidekick Eminem is the same way, he's a hudge fake act. This whole I don't give a fuck about the world image sells great, but it's not real, it's not Eminem. Eminem carries a fake gun, is to scared to fight ICP in a charity boxing match , disses teenage pop stars, this tells me Eminem does care about some things. The image he portrays for himself sells where as Eminem the pussy the actor doesn't. I think Eminem will definetly become the next Vanilla Ice. As he continues to diss pop stars and people who aren't physical threats to him some real nigah one day is going to step to Eminem and take him to task and be like yo nigah why don't you diss me. Then mr I dont give a fuck will be exploited and his image shot. The only other popular white rapper in the game was hung over a balcony and forced to sign over money, I wonder what will happen to wise ass, shit talking Eminem.
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Let Me Guess.... YOu post over at the Deathrow forum. ::)
Nah, I just started posting here though. I am a huge fan of Dr Dre's old work and it hurts me to see what he has become. He used to be so tight but now he is just an average producer.
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I really have to agree with you, nothing dre releases makes me feel yeah this is a classic it all sounds plain, simple and to shit to be Dre, one minute he is saying it is gangsta music then another it's says it's millenium sounding music(what the f those that mean). :'(
Thanks, alot of people feel like we do but dont want to admit. They try to force themselves to Like Dre's latest stuff. These same people talking about how great Dre's new stuff is probably havent had 2001 in their cd player for a year and a half.
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u know what? i always have loved dre's music and always will, his shit will always be dope, he hasnt fell off, falling off means your skill has diminished, but one thing is a fact about dre, he just aint a west coast producer anymore, he's dope no doubt, i still love his music, but seriously, id rather listen to some battlecat, who i think is the greatest west coast producer out there, compare "nah nah" to dre's work on xzibits album ,........
whatever everybody gots their own opinion
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from the moment that the watcher kicked in i was like goddamn that is sick, that's all i have to say, Dre is still the illest. but i do agree with his gangster shit has been ripped into bitty pieces because of Suge, Dre should of stood up but what can ya do, peace.
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There are a few reasons why I think Dre has fallen off so hard. First, I put alot of the blame on Mel Man. Mel Man is from Pittsburgh, and is probably into primarily east coast music. Because he works so closely with Dre, he is probably steering him away from his traditional west coast funk sound for the grimy east coast sound.
Second, Eminem's rise has had alot to do with Dre becoming wack. Dre isnt into making the type of music he used to make. Instead, he seems intent on making simpler, slower beats that help showcase the lyrical abilities of an emcee like Eminem. I think Dre is going to continue going into more of a hip hop direction as opposed to making what I would call gangsta shit that you can bump in your rides and can play at parties.
Third, Dre is spreading himself way too thin these days. Remember back when he was on Ruthless and Death Row, Dre would spend over a year working on just one project. Nowadays, he is way too busy working on many albums at the same time and it is affecting the quality of his music. For example, he is working on songs for Eminem and D-12, Xzibit, Snoop, Kokane, Rakim, Busta Rhymes, Hittman, Eve, Pharoah Monche and a ton of others in addition to beginning work on his next album. He needs to forget about all these outside rappers and focus on his own camp.
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yo, i agree with the fact that every1 is entitled to his own opinionbut yo, dre is still tha shiz....
first off, Dre invented g-funk practically, and i think its his decision wether he shud keep bangin out them sounds or not, now i think dre has changed his style to adopt the way of commercial main stream music, not jus to move on, but to move with the market..........
I mean for example....a few friends are sat, chilin, listenin to say hot 97, dre brings out a new track that is g funk thru and thru, i mean its kinda slow and like low tempo, its music for the TRU hip hop fans and music for the old skool genre, on the other hand, he releases a new up beat high tempo tight ass song, to make yo bounce around, clearly they go'n be diggin it, and bumpin it at every oppurtunity, its not that he's fallin off, he's just movin with the market and trynna make money, just like every other rapper out there, hey at the end of the day he;s gotta GET THAT MONEY, he hasnt forgot about it..................
But cmon u cant say that his new cuts like the production on devils nite, or for em, or for eve, or for that matter any1 else, those are all tight songs, you shud see him as a peer and not as some fallen off hip hop artist, give him props instead off criticism, rite now he is at the top of his game, jus watch, he hasnt forgot about the tru fans, he'll pay his dues, no offence....but y'all some bitches for thinkin this.....
peace
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I'm from Pittsburgh. There isn't one main sound here that rules. THere's Eastcoast, Westcoast, and the Southern sound popular here. Mel-Man is from the Hill District. It's filled with that same mix. Believe me, Mel-Man didn't push Dre to Eastcoast. Mel-Man was doing sounds geared more for Westcoast than Eastcoast. They still sell his old mixtapes here. Don't have any myself though.
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I don't agree with that at all. In my opinion Dre is the best in the game at what he does, I also think he can rap pretty well too. I thought Chronic 2001 was dope, a close match to the original that's considered a classic. If you had to ask me which was better Chronic or 2001 i'd seriously have to think about it, im not down with this whole Chronics a classic therefore I HAVE TO think it's better then anything else Dre puts out. I don't even think Dres put out his best material yet. I respect Dre for what he's accomplished and his producing skills but the only area I think he fell off in is the respect area. After Suge Knight bascially stripped him of his manhood it's hard to hear Dre make a record and not laugh when he's talking about killing people with machine guns after smoking a blunt. It's considered almost common knowledge in the streets and in the industry that Dres a pussy and his gangsta image a hudge act. I know personally after hearing Suge Knight say the things he said and Dre not standing up for himself like any man would do I lost ALOT of respect for DRE. Vanilla Ice has been known to speak out more against Suge Knight then Dre has. In my opinion if a man shits in your face you atleast try and wipe it off , DRE didn't even try. His sidekick Eminem is the same way, he's a hudge fake act. This whole I don't give a fuck about the world image sells great, but it's not real, it's not Eminem. Eminem carries a fake gun, is to scared to fight ICP in a charity boxing match , disses teenage pop stars, this tells me Eminem does care about some things. The image he portrays for himself sells where as Eminem the pussy the actor doesn't. I think Eminem will definetly become the next Vanilla Ice. As he continues to diss pop stars and people who aren't physical threats to him some real nigah one day is going to step to Eminem and take him to task and be like yo nigah why don't you diss me. Then mr I dont give a fuck will be exploited and his image shot. The only other popular white rapper in the game was hung over a balcony and forced to sign over money, I wonder what will happen to wise ass, shit talking Eminem.
yo dawg, that shit bout em.....that shit is wack.....he wont become the next vanilla ice at all, he is tight, now drop this topic bout him!!!!!
peace
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Yo what up. I really disagree with your post..Dre is Way above any producers shit.
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his stuff is still pretty good but try listening to The Chronic then Chronic 2001 right after, NO compairison!~
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You know.....I respect Everyones opinion..in all.........
But Thats Some Of The Biggest Bullshit I have Seen On This Board!
No Disrespect, but damn......who in this game can you name that has produced has changed and evolved with the times? Shit, Dre, has Alternative Acts, Pop Acts, wanting to work with him. Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson,No Doubt to name a few. I really dont care what he raps about on his songs, have the shit everybody spits nowadays is 100% Bullshit anyways. But we buy it cause it sounds good and at least some of us that has gangbanged can relate to it. Fallin off...no..i dont think so. Chronic was a classic for its time. Shit there still isnt too many CD's that can touch the Chronic. How many CD's that have come out Since 2001 can touch that CD? A couple? if that? Clean the Wax out of your ears partna, All those beats out there, are recycled beats with no effort put into the sound and the effect to bring out the artist. Dre can hear shit you and I cant when it comes to music. Who else in the industry could put a White Boy on, with some tight ass beats...and make us all like him or hate him, but the beats were tight?
World Class Wreckin Crew, NWA, Chronic,Doggystyle,Slim Shady,D-12,2001......
Every single time he comes out with some beats, it is on point with previous work or its better...
Shit he must be doing something right..if Rakim the Don is fuckin with him.......
Nuff Said......
Peace Hambone
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Just like I predicted, you guys are in serious denial about Dre falling off.
Let me ask a serious question. Think about all the classic songs Dre has put out in his career. I am talking about the kind of songs people will be listening to 20 years from now: Straight Outta Compton, Deep Cover, Nothin But a G Thing, Gin and Juice, California Love, etc
Now think back for about the last 5 years or so. Name me some songs Dre has produced in that time span that are classics like the ones I listed above. Been There Done That? Hi My Name Is? Still DRE? Face it, while he has some good songs, he hasnt been putting out any classic material. He is an average producer now.
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Hey....its your opinion........its all good.........
Lets see..............
The haters...are at Sea Level.....
Dre is at Mt Everest level.........
Respect your opinion though..
Peace...Hambone...
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ok whatever if you think dre is an average producer than all the other producers in the world must be retarted and horrible.....
i'm not in denial in any way , your just forcing your fucked up opinion into fact your one of those people i call.....IGNORANT
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How can you say Dre has fallen off? Everything he makes is a hit.
-Lay Low
-Forgot about Dre
-Next Episode
-Let me blow your mind
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-Still D.R.E.
I mean these are all super hot songs and some of the biggest songs of the past few years in music in general. So a post on Dre falling off is really lame. And on a side note--I hope the Dre/Gay rumors are true.
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i know how can you say he fell off when some of those songs have already been out for a year and half and still get mad love and radio play??
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Dre is the best producer ever...aint nothin else to say
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Dre gave up the G-Funk sound. He perfected it, mastered it, and left it and moved on to other sounds. It hasn't been until years after he left it behind that people like Battlecat, Fred Wreck, Meech Wells, Jelly Roll, and many others have been able produce the G-Funk sound good enough to step to him. In 5 or 6 years, Dre will have another diffrent sound, while the rest of the producers are still trying to perfect the one he has now.
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this gentleman is entitled to his opinion. you're a new poster so i realize the best way to get attention is to bring up a post you know everyone will be mad at. but if you want to try and force this opinion down our throat you better come with a better arguement than this. first of all if you don't like dre's newer style's, thats fine. but that doesn't mean he's fallen off. let me ask you. have you ever produced a hit record? have you been in the studio with dre? if you haven't you have no possible credentials to judge that dre has fallen off. you think dre's sounds are east coast now. wrong. dre makes music. he doesn't corner himself into one type of music. his different styles have been copied every time he's tried a new one. besides how many east coast producers use virtually 100 percent live instruments.the answer is none. and to blame mel man for anything is ludicrous.then you compared the message to blow your mind. in case you didn't know dre didn't even produce the message. and the beats aren't even close. nwa had 3 albums not 2. and meech wells, battlecat and fred wreck are all using dre's 2001 style in a lot of their productions.
dre's newer music is probably just as if not more complex than his old stuff. it is stripped down but it is layered with multi instruments, vocals and sound affects. and the reason dre is a better producer now more than ever is because everything is starting from scratch. before 2001 virtually every dre beat was based on a sample and used live instruments to build onto the samples. now dre rarely uses any sample.every track is built on live instumentations. and as dre uses this style more he will get better. you also stated that in his ruthless years he took a year for each project. you are so wrong its not even funny. straight outta compton was put together in 6 weeks. from 87 to 91 dre produced 10 albums. nwa and the posse, jj fad, eazy duz it, straight outta compton,the doc, above the law, michell'le, 100 miles and runnin, niggazforlife and jimmy z. no album took more than 6 months. and right now dre is more respected in the music community than ever. a gangsta rap producer won the grammy for producer of the year! thats something i never thought i'd see. michael jackson, madonna, paul mc cartney, virtually every rap and r&b performer and many others want to work with him. he's selling more records than he ever has. just cause you are stuck in the past doesn't mean dre's gonna stay there. you can stay in the past and fall behind. dre ain't gonna do that. there are two types of people in the world.people who sets trends and people who follow trends. dre sets trends. he knows people aren't gonna like every style he tries or every song he produces. but he's gonna innovate and try new things.
so to cwalker187. don't come on here saying dre's fallen off. you are more than welcome to say that you dislike or hate dre's recent music. but you sound ignorant and unknowledgable about producing by posting these types of things. and don't tell us that we're in denial about dre's falling off. you ain't god. heck your not even a record producer. whatever you belive is fine. but don't tell us he's fallen off. like you have any authority over any music being put out. cause you have no clue and almost everyone is going to disagree with you. i love dre's styles from yesteryear as much as you. but he is a much more complete producer than he has ever been.and anyone who know anything about musical talent, and making records and working in the studio would laugh at your comments. so until you produce a great record, sit in the studio with dre ,and talk to legends in the music industry (like quincy jones, jimmy iovine,paul mc cartney and too many others to name, who heap praise on dre) don't come on here telling us that dre's fallen off. i understand and respect your opinion about loving dre's old styles more than his new styles. but your comments that dre has fallen off show ignorance and a great lack of respect. and i promise you dre is gonna take more than a year to make detox. it will be unlike anything dre has ever done.your gonna get some funk, some up tempo tracks and if you buy the 5.1 version of it you will experience an incredible sonic boom like you've never heard before. and rakim's album is gonna be superb as well. i'm not gonna get into how i know, you can ask people on this board and they can tell you about me. please don't come back to this board unless you intelligently discuss your views. and if you decide to dis me like a coward i'm gonna laugh.i an't gonna respond cause i've spent more than enough time on your post. you got the attention you wanted so i hope your happy.but this is all the attention you're gonna get from me or 90 percent of this board.
dre will fall off some day. he's gonna fall off into retirement. when he does he's gonna land in the hall of fame. he's gonna land on a 9 figure net worth and many years with a beautiful family and a life you can only DREAM of. and he's gonna land as a musical legend. but right now dre is still gonna innovate, set trends, keep improving, trying more styles, continue making platinum records every time he touches one and remaining the top producer in music. if you disagree fine. but don't preach to us and don't preach to me. you're a fan watching from thr outside. people like me, dre and every other person ivolved in the music industry work in the trenches. we live this shit. music is our life and we pour our heart and souls into our music. forus and for you. so don't show the disrespect you just showed on this post til you've done the shit we've done.
to everyone else, i still have not talked about how dre's gonna use 5.1 sound.i promise i'll talk about that next week. til then keep the peace.
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Man....just in Mellomans First paragraph....makes this subject matter mute...
have u produced a hit record.......LOL
Have you been in the studio with Dre.........LOL
If not u have no credentials.....LOL....
that right there.....would shut my azzz up! LOL
YO Oversseer......give this man like 5 or 6 stars.....
Peace Hambone
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i told c-walker187 he was gonna get chorizo slapped by mellow man,lol
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In a nutshell homiez....the reason the change in Dre's sound since "The Chronic" has nothing to do with Suge.....Mel-man.....or any other producer in the game...it has to do with color.............GREEN
(As as Dre falling off......that's not even a question to discuss.......)
Fucken samples are expensive to clear now a day's...those day's (80's thru early 90's) of jackin' James Brown and Parliment for hooks and breaks are pretty much over......unless your willing to shell out major loot......what would you do?
I'd rather produce all original sounds as well....think about it. :'(
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Yo I just gotta say. If the Chronic 2001 was such a shitty album then how was that the album and songs on it that introduce Dr Dre to many parts of Britain, gaining him a large fan base over in the UK and mad respect for his work?. Answer me that one CWalker187.
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hey thas ur opinion
but ya kno what?? UR WRONG MOTHAFUCKA! lol jk
anyway... dre is tha shit.. i know that his sounds from back then were classic and untouchable but ya kno what?? hes still tight as fuck and he knows how to make a song good. and besides (no offense or noting)... but if u were a producer.. u think u'd be good. u'd suck praobly.... its harder than u think and still dre is on top of tha game.... ya see ... why do u thik everyone wanan make a song wit him huh?? watch 106 and park? even ludacris wanna work wit him... so i think dre is still tha illest right now
peace
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your completely 100% right CWalker187
the next episode
phone tap
still dre
xxplosive
x
u know
the real slijm shady
remember me
the watcher
light speed
let me blow ya mind
been there done that
forgot about dre
....are all CLEARLY the work of an AVERAGE producer...
not.
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listen we aint all dre dick riders.......
but on the real tho dawg, dre is tight as fuck, ALL his production on devils nite was top notch, for instance, fight song, words are weapons(did funk flex produce that?, cos at the start he shouts out) that is on of my fav tracks ever, in my opinion, thats em tightest verse, dre has NOT fallen off, go up to any well known popor alternative artist and ask them, will you work with dr dre or would you like to, they straight rply yes, oh and by the way, still DRE is already a classic, next episode is a classic party song, his production with every1 else aswell is tight as fuck, most of his songs on 2001 are already classics son, u must either live in a boring ass neighbourhood, or the people around u are lame, here in the uk, dre 's shit is bumped 24/7 and im not talkin bout old stuff, im talkin up to date shit, get with the times, he is not fallin off in the slightest, his production is his own.......
and i dont agree with that shit bout dre bein a fake, the reason he didnt do anythin is becos i think he is too mature for that shit.......
.........and by backin down, he's makin suge look like a fool in the mainstream music industry, mayb's not underground and up in the projects, but he is too clever not to do anythin bout it, i mean cmon if he produces the way he does, there must be some mentality behind the method....knam sayin?......he is one clever motha...
peace...
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Dre is kicking, fuck he can't stay the same as he was AGES ago, You get bored, he changed, I aiint saying he improved, I aint saying he went worse, he is a livin legend, and He is still kickin'
Just like BIGjakeDOGGYdogg said, NOONE compares to Dre. His Album 2001 is wicked, And his next album's will be too. :)
Peace
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I think CWalker187 has given up. This really isn't an arguement he can win. Dre is one of the best producers out now. I look at it like this. Eve's biggest hit to date was a Dre beat. Em's biggest hits have been Dre beats. Dre 2001 has been given classic status by mad magazines and websites. The Next Episode is definatly one of those joints that will still be bumped years from now.
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yo i know this subject has already been well taken but a...
i'm gonna have to break it down for cwalker187(cfaggot1040)LOL
first of all, we talk about dr.dre shit is tight cuz hes shit is still tight!!! i mean how could you not like the shit that he still puts out, its fucking dope and its better than most of the albums that comes out these days and you say that youre a true fan of dre but steadily you thought he produced "the message" and compared to "let me blow ya mind" and not to mention you saying nwa had 2 albums when they had 3. you ignorant motherfucker oh yeah by the way, how could you say that all hes shit that comes out is wack now? shit you must be listening to fucking gay-z's album or something so get the fuck out of this board cuz this is a WEST COAST BOARD not of that east coast shit.
so hes basic now? you dumb faggot dicksucking son of a bitch scumbag then explain all the innovative, new, out-of-world, genius sounds that he always seem to produce and come out with it. lets face it dre is the best producer of all time and he will always be no matter how many producers try to copy his shit and try to be like him. and i can't believe you try to compare dre with meech wells, battlecat, and fred wreck man compare to dre, these cats are amatures, new breeds you know what i mean, dres been in this league for what 15-20 years now and those 3 cats one or 2 years maybe(i might be wrong correct me if somebody knows how long they've been in the game) but you get my fucking point, and not to mention those 3 "new" producers you mentioned above follows dre style.
the thing is youre still stuck in the past like "back to the future trilogys" yes, the albums dre produced in the past are major classics and it will be played 25 years from now and i'll give you that but this is 2001 almost 2002 man, you gotta live the present not dwell on the past fool, its all digital now and you have to respect what dre is doing hes trying to match the sound that is supposed to be like in 2001-2002 whatever you know what i mean, hes already been the king in the 90's so now he's trying to be king in the new millenium's first decade also and so on.
dre2001 has only been out for year and a half so right now, it can't be a classic but trust me, years down the road it will definetly be one of the classic album, i mean when i get high i still listen to his shit 2001 so how could you say 2001 won't be playing at all period 1 year from now when everybody's still listening bumping his shit? even the eminem, xzibit, eve's production with dre was awesome (better than most of producers these days) so shut your fucking mouth up go suck suge's dick or something cuz you sound like one of those suge's jailbaits.
you might label me a dre dickrider but even myself, a REAL dres music lover don't like dre as a person (even though i don't know his personality) since he is one of if not the fakest studio gangsta i've ever known in my life but its not about that dre admits hes not a gangsta just a entertainer and i don't look at dre's fake ass image just his music is what i like the most.
cfaggot1040 is more ignorant than both of the president's bush's put together well said
theres my 2 cents
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DRE'S FALLEN OFF !! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, YEAH RITE !!
DRE IS GOOD "BUSINESS MAN" AND HE'S GOT HIS HEAD SCREWED ON ALL THE WAY FULL STOP.
:P
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THE REASON DRE AINT AROUND LIKE BEFORE IS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WHO TALK SHIT
DRE IS STILL TIGHT AND ALWAYS WILL BE
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LEGEND 8)
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I don't even feel like wasting my time arguing over this bs. We all know dre is the best in the game right now so his post is really a bunch of bs.
CWalker187, I have a question though. If dre has fallin' off and is now just an average eastcoast producer. Who do you consider to be the best producer in the game today.
Because honestly if you think that
the next episode
xplossive
lay low
etc are average then I'd sure like to see what great music was because I thought I'd never here some shit better than what dre from 99 to 2001 from any other music producer.
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EXACTLY, 2001 WAS ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS IVE EVER BOUGHT 8)
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shit what does it feel to be so narrowminded CWalker187
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WHAT A PILE OF -IM TOO GANGSTA FO TODAYZ RELEASEZ AND FO ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM-WOULD RATHER BUMPED AN OLD CHECKED OUT CALISIC THEN SOMTHIN NEW-BULSHIT.......AND
BULLSHIT AGAIN.......SORRY DOGG BUT YOU"R BULLSHITIN......I DON KNOW WHY...MAY BE YOU SMOKED TOO MUCH OF SOME REAL SMELLY SHIT LOL
LOL LOL......I MEAN...WHAT????...FALLEN OF??? DRE???....NO WAY.....YOU IZ DA ONE WIT DENIEL IN HERE DOGG.....DREZ BEATZ...IZ ON TOP.....
THA SHIT HE KICKEZ CAN BE DEFIENED FUTURISTIC WESTCOASED FLAVORED.....TOP NOTCH--- SHIT
HIZ BEATZ AINT GETTIN WOST...IF NOT EVEN GETTIN
MUCH BETTER......2001.....WILL DEFFENATLY BECOME A CLASIC....TRACKZ LIKE "FORGOT BOUT DRE"..."STILL DRE"...."WHATZ THA DIFFRENCE"
"NEXT EPISODE" EVEN "BITCH NIGGAZ" ...."FUCK YOU"...AND PROBABLY THE REST AND THE MOST OF THE ALBUM WILL BECOME ANTHEMZ FO ALL THE TRUE HIP HOP FANZ...BECAUZE YOU DOTTA
HAVE REAL PROBLEMZ WIT YO HEARIN" TO SAY DAT DRE AINT A TIGHT PRODUCER OR THAT HE SOUNDEZ LIKE A REGULAR EASTCOAST PRODUCER.....HE HAZ NOTHIN OF THE EASCOAST IN HIZ SHIT...IF YOU GO TO THE RUTEZ OF EVERY BEAT ON 2001 OR EVEN ON EMZ OR X"Z ALBUM.....EVEN IF DRE HIMSELF WOULD DENIE IT......ITZ JUST AN ARGUMENT...ITZ STRAIGHT UP WESCOAST SHIT...WHAT..DON YOU HEAR???
DRE HIMSELF SAYEZ DAT HE IZ FROM THA WESTCOAST BUT HE WANTEZ FO HIZ MUSIC NOT
TO HAVE ANY BOARDERZ.....BUT STILL HE IZ DEFFENATLY WESCOAST AND THE BEST PRODUCER IN THA RAP GAME TODAY OR EVER....AND I DON KNOW IF THERE EVER WILL BE ANOTHER PRODUCER ON DREZ LEVEL.
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ayo, hold up for a minute y'all......
give the nigah some respect for standin up and postin that, knowin damn well that he wud get hated on........i respect ya for that
but not the bullshit that u just fed us, but never the less.........
u win some u lose some
ahhhhhh well, thats just the way it goes.
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I wish this cat would answer my question.
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Damn! I dissappear a day and this topic comes up. Everyone already said how I feel so I'll just say one thing:
Dre is on top of the game right now. no other producer is in as much demand these days. the brotha ain't even seen on T.V. or in public cause he is so busy and in demand with others. I think rappers know when someones the best or not. You don't see people beggin Manny Fresh to work for them right now cause to be honest, he kinda sucks. At least to me
Well that was more than one thing I had to say.LOL
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I think CWalker187 has given up. This really isn't an arguement he can win. Dre is one of the best producers out now.
Actually, you guys are the ones who aren't going to win the arguement. You still havent shown me any proof that Dre hasnt fallen off. No one has even answered my initial question: name some songs that Dre has done the past 5 years or so that can compare with classics like Straight Outta Compton, Deep Cover, Nuthin But A G Thing, Gin and Juice, and California Love. The Next Episode is the only song that comes close...too bad the original was 100 times doper.
Instead, you guys are talking about irrelevent things like record sales (as if record sales reflected quality music, if that was the case Vanilla ice would be a hip hop legend). You also talked about how many albums NWA did, Dre's popularity in England, and a bunch of things that are pointless. Get back to the topic at hand, is Dre as dope now as he was 8 years ago? All the proof says no he is not.
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damn drop tha fuckin topic already........
fo real.......
we know dre is at tha top of tha game.. its just cwalker187 dont know it or think it... thas ur opinion man.. but in tha truth.... dre is at tha top
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CWalker187, I have a question though. If dre has fallin' off and is now just an average eastcoast producer. Who do you consider to be the best producer in the game today.
In my opinion, DJ Quik is the best producer in hip hop right now. Quik uses virtually no samples, he can actually play instruments, and he doesnt have a ton of ghost producers that he sues for ideas. Plus his albums are bumpin from start to finish.
I would also rank Battlecat before Dre. I guess Dre would be my third favorite producer right now, but he is still my all time favorite because of his back catalogue. I wont hold his current mediocrity against him.
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the next episode
phone tap
still dre
xxplosive
x
u know
the real slijm shady
remember me
the watcher
light speed
let me blow ya mind
been there done that
forgot about dre
Crem named 13 beats right there that are up to par and on the level of Straight Outta Compton, Deep Cover, Nuthin But A G Thing, Gin and Juice, Let Me Ride, Natural Born Killaz and California Love and much more.
I don't think your readin any of those posts cause peeps have already proven the point that Dre is on top over and over again.
Open your mind and listen to how complex the beats are from Dre now. Sure he doesn't do the same thing but like everyone is sayin he is changing. That old g-funk gangsta music is getting old to most people, not to me though. It took me awhile to get used to Dre's new ish but I listened to everything closely and in my opinion they are of more quality now.
Open ya mind!
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let's see
still d.r.e----classic
next episode----classic
forgot about dre----classic
bitch please----classic
been there done that -----classic
lay low-----classic
the real smlim shady (although i'm sick of it)---classic
every thing dre produced on d-12's album was bangalangin'
the 3 tracks he made on xzibit's album were dope as fuck
henn and buddah isn't classic really but is way above average
and he's done more to this date that i would say will be in his classic catelouge
so there i just answered your question and oh yeah any thing quik has done or will do dre has done or done better
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;D real true ...