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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on November 30, 2007, 01:57:51 PM
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I almost feel bad for doing this. Dr. Dre is such a well known perfectionist that I kinda feel dumb for trying to correct him, but oh well I'll give it a try. As I mentioned about a week ago I started breaking out all my classic West Coast albums, including 2001. As I was listening, it hit me for the first time that the 2nd half of this album had hella fillers! So I put on my Dre googles and saw what adjustments I would make if I had the chance to....
Original tracklist
1. Lolo (Intro) - (featuring Xzibit/Tray-Dee)
2. The Watcher
3. Fuck You - (featuring Devin/Snoop Dogg)
4. Still D.R.E. - (featuring Snoop Dogg)
5. Big Ego's - (featuring Hittman)
6. Xxplosive - (featuring Hittman/Kurupt/Nate Dogg/Six-Two)
7. What's The Difference - (featuring Eminem/Xzibit)
8. Bar One - (featuring Traci Nelson/Ms Roq/Eddie Griffin)
9. Light Speed - (featuring Hittman)
10. Forgot About Dre - (featuring Eminem)
11. Next Episode - (featuring Snoop Dogg)
12. Let's Get High - (featuring Hittman/Kurupt/Ms. Roq)
13. Bitch Niggaz - (featuring Snoop Dogg/Hittman/Six-Two)
14. The Car Bomb - (featuring Mel-Man/Charis Henry)
15. Murder Ink - (featuring Hittman/Ms. Roq)
16. Ed-ucation - (featuring Eddie Griffin)
17. Some L.A. Niggaz - (featuring DeFari/Xzibit/Knoc-Turn'al/Time Bomb/King T/M.C. Ren/Kokane)
18. Pause 4 Porno - (featuring Jake Steed)
19. Housewife - (featuring Kurupt/Hittman)
20. Ackrite - (featuring Hittman)
21. Bang Bang - (featuring Knoc-Turn'al/Hittman)
22. Message, The - (featuring Mary J. Blige/Rell)
Fillers that I'd remove
8. Bar One - (featuring Traci Nelson/Ms Roq/Eddie Griffin)
^ I just hate skits, especially ones that serve no purpose.
9. Light Speed - (featuring Hittman)
^ I don't really have a problem with this song, but I needed to remove it to make room. Plus I recall Dre saying that this song was really his commercial for his "Chronic Iced Tea" drink (which never came out)
14. The Car Bomb - (featuring Mel-Man/Charis Henry)
^ "Don't even waiste MY time" - Doug Heffernan
15. Murder Ink - (featuring Hittman/Ms. Roq)
^ What the fuck is this? I see why I always skipped this song.
16. Ed-ucation - (featuring Eddie Griffin)
^ Its a damn shame that this instrumental wasn't on the 2001 Instrumental album.
18. Pause 4 Porno - (featuring Jake Steed)
^ I enjoy watching porn, not listening to it
Songs that I'd add
The Game Don't Wait Remix (feat. Warren G, Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg, Xzibit)
^ This song was hot but it was never officially released! Plus we were all curious as to why Warren G wasn't on the album. So let's slip this in place of that 14-15-16 filler spot.
Hello (feat. Ice Cube, Mc Ren)
^ My biggest problem with 2001 is and ever was that Cube wasn't on it! I'm gonna put this in place of "Light Speed" so it'll flow with the theme of the album getting darker towards the middle but not too dark yet.
Final Product
01 - Lolo (Intro) (feat. Xzibit, Tray-Dee)
02 - The Watcher
03 - Fuck You (feat. Devin the Dude, Snoop Dogg)
04 - Still D.R.E. (feat. Snoop Dogg)
05 - Big Ego's (feat. Hittman)
06 - Xxplosive (feat. Hittman, Kurupt, Nate Dogg, Six-Two)
07 - What's The Difference (feat. Xzibit, Eminem)
08 - Hello (feat. Ice Cube, Mc Ren)
09 - Forgot About Dre (feat. Eminem)
10 - Next Episode (feat. Snoop Dogg)
11 - Let's Get High (feat. Hittman, Kurupt, Ms. Roq)
12 - Bitch Niggaz (feat. Snoop Dogg, Six-Two, Hittman)
13 - The Game Don't Wait Remix (feat. Warren G, Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg, Xzibit)
14 - Some L.A. Niggaz (feat. Mc Ren, Time Bomb, King T, Knoc-Turn'Al, Kokane, Hittman, Xzibit, Defari)
15 - Housewife (feat. Kurupt, Hittman)
16 - Ackrite (feat. Hittman)
17 - Bang Bang (feat. Knoc-Turn'al, Hittman)
18 - The Message (feat. Mary J. Blige, Rell)
^ 18 songs, all bangers, no fillers, all of our needs met.
Whatdoyathink?
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16. Ed-ucation - (featuring Eddie Griffin)
^ Its a damn shame that this instrumental wasn't on the 2001 Instrumental album.
What are you talking about? Ed-ucation was a hilarious (if very offensive) skit.
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u'll probably get banned for posting such a post
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Looks dope!
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I actually like The Car Bomb and Murder Ink....
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me the only one who thought housewife was wack?!
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Murder ink is a classic track .. one of the best on that joint ..
but co-sign on removing the skits and replacing them with the tracks you mentioned ..
would be hella dope .. !
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The Car Bomb - (featuring Mel-Man/Charis Henry)
^ "Don't even waiste MY time" - Doug Heffernan
haha!
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me the only one who thought housewife was wack?!
don't think it was wack but not as good as the others maybe fit Kurupt's album better? thought 2001 had too much Hittman and not enough Knoccturnal dude was sick!
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It's a classic album to me so I would not change anything. Besides all the leftovers from that album made other rappers albums so it created alot of hits for other artists (Topp Dogg, Restless, Marshall Mathers LP, etc)
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Besides all the leftovers from that album made other rappers albums so it created alot of hits for other artists (Topp Dogg, Restless, Marshall Mathers LP, etc)
Thats doesn't always equal a good thing my dude. Keep in mind Snoop didn't put "Hoodtrap", "Pop Yo Colla", "When I Wake Up in the Mornin", "Fathers Day" and most importantly "No Backtrackin" on "Tha Last Meal" but he managed to find room for "Snoop Dogg (What's My Name Part 2)", "I Can't Swim", "Loosen Control", and "Back Up Off Me".
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Songs that I'd add
The Game Don't Wait Remix (feat. Warren G, Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg, Xzibit)
^ This song was hot but it was never officially released! Plus we were all curious as to why Warren G wasn't on the album. So let's slip this in place of that 14-15-16 filler spot.
Hello (feat. Ice Cube, Mc Ren)
^ My biggest problem with 2001 is and ever was that Cube wasn't on it! I'm gonna put this in place of "Light Speed" so it'll flow with the theme of the album getting darker towards the middle but not too dark yet.
anyone got these?
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Besides all the leftovers from that album made other rappers albums so it created alot of hits for other artists (Topp Dogg, Restless, Marshall Mathers LP, etc)
Thats doesn't always equal a good thing my dude. Keep in mind Snoop didn't put "Hoodtrap", "Pop Yo Colla", "When I Wake Up in the Mornin", "Fathers Day" and most importantly "No Backtrackin" on "Tha Last Meal" but he managed to find room for "Snoop Dogg (What's My Name Part 2)", "I Can't Swim", "Loosen Control", and "Back Up Off Me".
Yeah that is Snoop though. Dre at least allowed the artists to use the tracks that he felt he did not want on 2001. Bitch Please, Bucc Em, Just Dippin, Oh No on Restless, and I forgot the name of the track that had Em, RBX and Sticky Fingaz on it.
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thought 2001 had too much Hittman and not enough Knoccturnal dude was sick!
;D
he IS black
new album comin next year, "the book of knoc"
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thought 2001 had too much Hittman and not enough Knoccturnal dude was sick!
;D
he IS black
new album comin next year, "the book of knoc"
props man, Knoc is the shit! guess Dre was trying to showcase Hittman at the time cause he was on Aftermath
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Songs that I'd add
The Game Don't Wait Remix (feat. Warren G, Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg, Xzibit)
^ This song was hot but it was never officially released! Plus we were all curious as to why Warren G wasn't on the album. So let's slip this in place of that 14-15-16 filler spot.
Hello (feat. Ice Cube, Mc Ren)
^ My biggest problem with 2001 is and ever was that Cube wasn't on it! I'm gonna put this in place of "Light Speed" so it'll flow with the theme of the album getting darker towards the middle but not too dark yet.
anyone got these?
http://www.zshare.net/download/52892537c39ae7/
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Murder Ink has always been a favourite of mine, even before I heard the whole album, but I can see it can be annoying to people
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replace hittman with xzibit on every appearance. replace ms roq (wack) with anyone. get d.o.c on a track (preferably light speed)... more snoop/kurupt/nate appearances. in a perfect world, daz too.
murder ink is a hot beat, but noone wants to listen to hittman AND ms roq
I'd put Blaoow (from Hittman's solo) on there, too. Maybe Zoom OG with Snoop (or atleast throw it on a b-side - i need this shit in cdq)
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interesting thread homie. 8)
replace hittman with xzibit on every appearance. replace ms roq (wack) with anyone.
murder ink is a hot beat, but noone wants to listen to hittman AND ms roq
have to disagree with this man. i found hittman really boring when the album came out but over the years i think his understated story telling laid back flow contributes hugely to the atmosphere of the album and balances out the huge bangers if that makes any sense (do think though that the version of What's the Difference which appeared on the album was better than the original with hitt but without xzibit).
imo there has not been a storytelling mc with a cold flow to come out of the west like hittman for a long assed time. i wish we had heard from him more over the years, i for one would love to hear him all over the detox record telling dope stories rather than someone like bishop preaching at me or rapping for the ladies! sorry for the rant slightly off the subject of the thread!
by the way i really like murder ink to be honest. i have to say also i thought ms roq was fresh as f*ck and wondered why she disappeared! c'mon man i thought she killed the verses she had...:
Peep dogg the stash drop and exchange of the dough
Lurkin through the turf, thinking how much its worth
Give em chase to the crib and yo he properly laced
Stepped out the car, put my steel, to the side of his face
Murder - this the fuckin Case, rob this nigga and shake
the fuckin spot cause in a few it's gon' be crawlin with cops!
Who's the bad bitch now, you crept on, paid the piper
Who'da thought a sexy bitch could be a murderous sniper
Detrimental to your health, shoulda learned yo' lesson
But it's too late n*gga bye-bye, better count yo' blessings
I been watchin you watchin me, yeah you ballin
Was, n*gga now you finger fucked and steady fallin
A thug wit no love, but bitch n*ggaz die fast
Thug n*ggaz die young - oh what you thought you would last?
Blast two shots to the dome, slide back to the pad
and jack my n*gga off, til his dick get soft
Resume the wifey boo shit, cause yo my man don't know
that his bitch is straight ill, servin ass with fo'fo'
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15.Murder Ink - (featuring Hittman/Ms. Roq)
^ What the fuck is this? I see why I always skipped this song.
What the fuck? Classic shit, i only wish Dre had a verse on this...
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Looks dope!
+1
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Besides all the leftovers from that album made other rappers albums so it created alot of hits for other artists (Topp Dogg, Restless, Marshall Mathers LP, etc)
"Hoodtrap", "Pop Yo Colla", "When I Wake Up in the Mornin", "Fathers Day" and most importantly "No Backtrackin"
Almost cannot believe I didnt hear any of those left overs.. you got em b ?
and co-sign on the thing lindon said bout ms. roq verse on murder ink .. it was ridiculous .. we need more of that..
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Thiss Shyt Was Raw Tha Way It Was... No Changes For Me...
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Looks dope!
+1
:laugh:
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Thiss Shyt Was Raw Tha Way It Was... No Changes For Me...
agreed I wouldn't change a thing about this album
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16. Ed-ucation - (featuring Eddie Griffin)
^ Its a damn shame that this instrumental wasn't on the 2001 Instrumental album.
What are you talking about? Ed-ucation was a hilarious (if very offensive) skit.
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I think it''s just fine the way it is.
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"Housewife and "Ackrite" are the only ones i don't really like.
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18. Pause 4 Porno - (featuring Jake Steed)
^ I enjoy watching porn, not listening to it
The porno thing was uneeded but listen to the beat on the instrumental version, it is dope.
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i cant believe people dont like housewife, the beat and hook is insane :o
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i cant believe people dont like housewife, the beat and hook is insane :o
Thatz What Itt Izz...
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I couldn't agree more. The new tracklist you made there looks alot better.. All the wack tracks are gon, IMO!
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"Housewife and "Ackrite" are the only ones i don't really like.
what?? Housewife's one of the best beats ever.
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housewife was hot as fuck... even hittman was nice
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I think it's the less significant tracks that actually made this album into what it is. Tracks like Light Speed and Housewife are perfect for me, although they seem less of a classic than Forget About Dre for example. Some of the skits added nothing, but on a whole the album seems perfectly rounded off to me.
I need to listen to this again.
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I think it's the less significant tracks that actually made this album into what it is. Tracks like Light Speed and Housewife are perfect for me, although they seem less of a classic than Forget About Dre for example. Some of the skits added nothing, but on a whole the album seems perfectly rounded off to me.
I need to listen to this again.
agree with this
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Light Speed seems something that would be nice to be zoned out to, like some out of space shit. Murder Ink as soon i saw Halloween i knew someone had to use that piano rift and i could bump that rift all day. Ackrite is dope, Housewife is good but not great.
I think Light Speed, Housewife and Murder Ink all are good tracks but not amazing like the others. Plus yer i woulda got rid of someda pointless skits. Dam if that album had been 13 tracks or something it woulda been seen as better than The Chronic. Probs why Dres doing 13 tracks for Detox cause theres less chance for a track to fuck up the album.
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All those "fillers" you listed I thought made the album. you dont seem to comprehend an overall feel or picture do you?
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I like it the way it is. And alot of the other tracks mentioned fit the other albums they were on. I'm sure you could do the same with Doggystyle or The Chronic if you wanted to, but 2001 is a classic to me and the whole album had a cinematic feel to it.
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I was wondering why Housewife was on both Kurupt and Dre's albums and it wasn't even a single? :-\
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I probably shouldn't be responding to such stupidity, the OP is part of a small minority that felt Chronic 2001 has filler material on it....BUT I have to ask the OP why he would put Hello on there and not Chin Check. Chin Check would fit better between Whats The Difference and Forgot About Dre.
Hello is a great track, but it doesn't fit the album. Regardless, Chronic 2001 is dope just the way it was released.
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I'd keep "Light Speed" on there. that shit is dope.
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I would of definitely liked Game Don't Wait reminx on here. If Ho's a Housewife can be put on 2 albums, why couldn't Game Don't Wait?
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this is the second album I ever bought first was Streetz 8)
the only thing I would change like I said was for Housewife to be a single I listend to it the other day and the beat is slightly different than the one on Kurupts
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this is the second album I ever bought first was Streetz 8)
the only thing I would change like I said was for Housewife to be a single I listend to it the other day and the beat is slightly different than the one on Kurupts
It's better than the one on Kurupt's.
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^co-sign
I wouldn't take anything away from the album at all, the only thing I wish is that Dre had verses on "Xxplosive", "Some LA Niggaz", and "Murder INK"
the album is classic as is though IMO 8)
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No changes. youre shmuck if you dont like light speed.
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Murder Ink was the best track on the cd just for the first verse and the halloween beat
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i cant believe people dont like housewife, the beat and hook is insane :o
its such a laid back track
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this is the second album I ever bought first was Streetz 8)
the only thing I would change like I said was for Housewife to be a single I listend to it the other day and the beat is slightly different than the one on Kurupts
It's better than the one on Kurupt's.
yeah the vocal by Dre is redone also, remember the skit on Streetz where he told Kurupt that he wanted to do it over