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December 4th, 2007
By Ted M. Green | L.A. Confidential, Los Angeles Lakers, Column
You love his length, his versatility, his perfect basketball body.
You admire his humility and humanity.
You see his old-school selflessness on the court, how he passes first and prioritizes his teammates, how he deflects credit and accepts blame, and you think that he must be a very chill dude.
You empathize with his private struggles, particularly the tragic loss of his baby son.
You like almost everything about Lamar Odom, who he is, how he comports himself, how he plays hurt, his grace in the face of personal pain, and so you take absolutely no pleasure in what must be said if the Lakers are going to be anything more than what they’ve been since Odom arrived in Los Angeles, and that is average:
L.O., you got to go.
I could muddy up this story with stats: How he doesn’t make shots when they count in the fourth quarter, how he underperforms on the road; heck, I could stat you straight into a column coma. But there is only one stat and one only that matters:
Into the fourth year of their partnership, the Lakers are a .500 team fronted by Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom.
The chemistry, it’s not consistently there. The talented tandem, they play well on the same nights too infrequently. The results after three full seasons: one disaster (32 wins in ‘05) followed by two first-round playoff exits.
L.A.’s 9-8 start now in the face of a tough schedule holds some promise. And with the development of both Andrew Bynum and Jordan Farmar, plus the reacquisition of smart locker-room leader Derek Fisher, the Lakers win total SHOULD improve from the low 40’s of the past two years.
But significant progress, like 50-plus wins and a conference finals… I just don’t sense that’s going to happen while Kobe and Lamar are together.
Before you start with the emails, I’m not blaming Odom entirely. Kobe obviously isn’t easy to play with. Superman doesn’t do sidekicks. Plus for $10 million (growing to $12 million) a year to date the owner’s daughter, Phil Jackson hasn’t used those Hall of Fame credentials to instill any kind of real defensive mindset into his recent Laker teams, and that’s a big issue too.
Injuries have factored in as well. And I could argue that except for Odom, who would start on most but not every NBA team, the Lakers currently do not have one other forward who is a bona fide NBA starter, so it’s a weak position for the team.
Then there is fit. As in square peg, round hole. The Lakers need a real number two scorer to take pressure off Kobe. A guy who can pour in 18-20 a night, and go off for 35 when it’s needed. That’s not the role Odom naturally fills, nor one where his game best flourishes. (It’s more a job for Caron Butler, but that’s another column entirely…)
But except maybe for that one pre-Shaq in South Beach year when they did OK in Miami, I’m just not convinced Lamar is a winning player.
No one expected Odom to have Shaq-like impact after The Trade That Changed the Lakers, but in watching every Laker game since L.O. came to L.A., there have been too many missed jumpers, too often coming in the clutch. And those disappearing acts on the road? Lots of them, too. They do not happen with All-Star level players. All lead you to the inescapable conclusion that, after nine years in the league, despite the tantalizing talent, Lamar isn’t an All-Star caliber performer and never will be.
At least not alongside Kobe.
So much talent, so many skills, so much potential…but so much of it consistently unfulfilled with the Lakers.
Thing is, NBA teams are like scientific templates for 11th grade high school science teachers. They are one big, ongoing chemistry experiment. PJ and the Lakers have been in the lab with Kobe and L.O. for quite a while now, like 3 1/2 years, and all they really have to show for it is the smell of sulfur.
To be perfectly clear, I’m not suggesting the Lakers should have traded Odom and Bynum for J Kidd. Kidd’s a little long in the tooth for that. I’m glad they didn’t trade that pair for Jermaine O’Neal. The poor man’s O’Neal is only marginally better than Lamar straight up when healthy, and there’ve been some recent knee issues that indicate he isn’t physically sound at all.
What I am suggesting is that it’s time for the Lakers to commit to changing the chemistry, to acknowledge that Kobe and L.O. are a perfectly ordinary .500 partnership, to admit that it’s time to find a different, better, more productive way to go.
Artest? A gamble but intriguing.
Kirilenko, that’d be a no-brainer, but if the Jazz were dumb enough to do that, owner Larry Miller also has a nice used car to sell you.
Mitch Kupchak knows far better than I do what’s out there now in the way of a trade. It may be something. It may be nothing. But it’s reaching the point where every option should be explored fully. I know, it’s quite possible Mitch will tell you, don’t worry, it’ll be OK, we’ll be fine when Kwame comes back to anchor our defense and give us the toughness we’re missing right now in the paint.
Of course there are two small problems with that thinking: One, you’re relying on Kwame Brown, who can get hurt just walking in from the car. And two, we’ve already seen the Lakers at full strength with Kwame, and they don’t really cut it then, either.
So without having some kind of “in” with Mitch, and even knowing he’s the Bill Stoneman of L.A. basketball, here’s guessing the Lakers are going to revisit the Odom trade dialogue between now and the deadline.
If they don’t, they should.
And if no trade happens, brace yourself, Laker fans, for deva vu, year three.
Because like I said, L.O., love ya, bro, but you got to go.
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Kirilenko, that’d be a no-brainer, but if the Jazz were dumb enough to do that, owner Larry Miller also has a nice used car to sell you.
I wouldn't mind Woodstock being a Laker....
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Kirilenko ? lol , I agree Lamar has to be traded but not for a weaker player .. I do agree we won't win with the Kobe-Lamar tandem .. numbers don't lie ... though traded Lamar won't result all our weaknesses... we need a better team D , taking care of the ball and learn to execute down the stretch .. and doing these 3 things constantly
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We coulda' easily gotten AK for Odom. Dude was dyin to be traded and Utah was lookin for offers...But the last thing we need is a worse and less consistent 2nd-option on offense than Odom. WE SHOULD NOT TRADE ODOM. True, he's not himself right now, but he will get there. Compare his shot attempts this season to last season...Dude is playing injured. Give him some time to work his way up before you post these rash media reports that make no sense...PeACe
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And two, we’ve already seen the Lakers at full strength with Kwame, and they don’t really cut it then, either.
This couldn't be any less true. :grumpy:
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But who can we trade Odom for i definently dont want Jermaine Oneal anymore?
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IMO kobe needs to go
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But who can we trade Odom for i definently dont want Jermaine Oneal anymore?
Marion! Althought I doubt the Suns would do it now.
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LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
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AK47 is dope, but the writer of the article is pretty ignorant to complain about odom's inconsistent scoring and then act like ak47 could fix that problem.
marion would be a great player to have just because that fool NEVER gets injured and he's always been consistent, but his PPG would plummet since the lakers use a motion offense thats not run through PGs. marion is a good finisher but he isnt a "legit scoring option" because he doesnt create for himself, his offense is based off of others finding him.
it's pretty damn clear the lakers have no intention on giving kobe his "established star power" help that hes been desperately asking for, so i'm thinking that if they trade odom, they might as well just trade for younger talent. otherwise, keep him. fuck JO and his sorry ass 38% shooting. lmao at pacers asking for both odom and bynum for him.
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The dude has had quite some time to show us if he could be a star or not..... If he doesn't pick it up this year, he should be shown the door.
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LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
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I would welcome Marion.... funny-lookin' shot and all... lol. The dude can score.
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LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
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LOL... maybe we should change our system then. Because our guys need to be scoring like that. :)
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LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
Marion did it before Nash and D'antoni took over. Odom hasn't done it at all.
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All I can say is the Lakers need to make a significant move FAST... another .550 and then lose to Phoenix in the 1st PO round-season without moves being made and Kobe will just get a shotgun and pump Dr. Buss and Kupchak up a little. The only problem is with Odom sucking double dick now, they will have a hard time getting an All-Star for him.
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LOL... maybe we should change our system then. Because our guys need to be scoring like that. :)
A defenseless system will never get you a ring. Look at what happens to players like Caron Butler, Grant Hill, Stephen Jackson, Steve Nash etc. when they're playing a run-and-gun system.
LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
Marion did it before Nash and D'antoni took over. Odom hasn't done it at all.
Odom is a 15-10-5 guy with much better defense...If Odom can stay healthy, he is easily an all-star caliber player every year. If Odom sucks for the whole season, I'll eat my words.
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Maybe so... but right now a no-scoring team isn't going to get us a ring either. :) Perhaps we could run our defense the same and utilize new scoring plays?
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LOL... maybe we should change our system then. Because our guys need to be scoring like that. :)
A defenseless system will never get you a ring. Look at what happens to players like Caron Butler, Grant Hill, Stephen Jackson, Steve Nash etc. when they're playing a run-and-gun system.
LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
Marion did it before Nash and D'antoni took over. Odom hasn't done it at all.
Odom is a 15-10-5 guy with much better defense...If Odom can stay healthy, he is easily an all-star caliber player every year. If Odom sucks for the whole season, I'll eat my words.
Better defense?! OMG! Odom is an All-Star caliber player but Marion is a true All-Star. Re-read the article, its becoming evident to everybody that Odom isn't cutting it.
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Maybe so... but right now a no-scoring team isn't going to get us a ring either. :) Perhaps we could run our defense the same and utilize new scoring plays?
I like what we have when we're at full strength, and so did everyone else. They just have short-term memory.
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Losing games will do that....
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LOL... maybe we should change our system then. Because our guys need to be scoring like that. :)
A defenseless system will never get you a ring. Look at what happens to players like Caron Butler, Grant Hill, Stephen Jackson, Steve Nash etc. when they're playing a run-and-gun system.
LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
Marion did it before Nash and D'antoni took over. Odom hasn't done it at all.
Odom is a 15-10-5 guy with much better defense...If Odom can stay healthy, he is easily an all-star caliber player every year. If Odom sucks for the whole season, I'll eat my words.
Better defense?! OMG! Odom is an All-Star caliber player but Marion is a true All-Star. Re-read the article, its becoming evident to everybody that Odom isn't cutting it.
Put Marion in the triangle offense and he's a role player...Odom had a couple seasons where he shoulda been an all-star. I guarantee that Odom would have been an all-star every year in Phoenix's system, alongside Nash. He's more talented than Marion, get over it. He proves it every time they match up...And Marion plays HORRIBLE defense. Once again, players who get tons of steals and blocks don't equate to good defensive players. It is generally the players with lower steals and blocks, who know how to stay in front of their man, and don't gamble on plays, who are the true defenders. Marion is a weak defender. Odom isn't the greatest defender, but he can do more on D than jump through the roof...PeACe
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LOL... maybe we should change our system then. Because our guys need to be scoring like that. :)
A defenseless system will never get you a ring. Look at what happens to players like Caron Butler, Grant Hill, Stephen Jackson, Steve Nash etc. when they're playing a run-and-gun system.
LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
Marion did it before Nash and D'antoni took over. Odom hasn't done it at all.
Odom is a 15-10-5 guy with much better defense...If Odom can stay healthy, he is easily an all-star caliber player every year. If Odom sucks for the whole season, I'll eat my words.
Better defense?! OMG! Odom is an All-Star caliber player but Marion is a true All-Star. Re-read the article, its becoming evident to everybody that Odom isn't cutting it.
Put Marion in the triangle offense and he's a role player...Odom had a couple seasons where he shoulda been an all-star. I guarantee that Odom would have been an all-star every year in Phoenix's system, alongside Nash. He's more talented than Marion, get over it. He proves it every time they match up...And Marion plays HORRIBLE defense. Once again, players who get tons of steals and blocks don't equate to good defensive players. It is generally the players with lower steals and blocks, who know how to stay in front of their man, and don't gamble on plays, who are the true defenders. Marion is a weak defender. Odom isn't the greatest defender, but he can do more on D than jump through the roof...PeACe
Yeah 6-11 Odom plays great when matched up against 6-7 Marion. I think we see why. Marion is a way better man defender. Fuck the blocks/steals. We saw him in the playoffs defending Parker and Duncan in the same game (and doing a pretty damn good job on both). Odom is a lazy defender who gets burned by SFs and bullied by PFs. I understand you don't wanna sound negative against a player on our roster but you need to cut it out dude. Odom is the same player he was in his rookie season. He hasn't grown at all. He's still the same old "potential" player he's been. Dude hasn't even learned how to go right and he's in what his 9th season? His 13-15 ppg limit is killing us.
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LOL... maybe we should change our system then. Because our guys need to be scoring like that. :)
A defenseless system will never get you a ring. Look at what happens to players like Caron Butler, Grant Hill, Stephen Jackson, Steve Nash etc. when they're playing a run-and-gun system.
LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
Marion did it before Nash and D'antoni took over. Odom hasn't done it at all.
Odom is a 15-10-5 guy with much better defense...If Odom can stay healthy, he is easily an all-star caliber player every year. If Odom sucks for the whole season, I'll eat my words.
Better defense?! OMG! Odom is an All-Star caliber player but Marion is a true All-Star. Re-read the article, its becoming evident to everybody that Odom isn't cutting it.
Put Marion in the triangle offense and he's a role player...Odom had a couple seasons where he shoulda been an all-star. I guarantee that Odom would have been an all-star every year in Phoenix's system, alongside Nash. He's more talented than Marion, get over it. He proves it every time they match up...And Marion plays HORRIBLE defense. Once again, players who get tons of steals and blocks don't equate to good defensive players. It is generally the players with lower steals and blocks, who know how to stay in front of their man, and don't gamble on plays, who are the true defenders. Marion is a weak defender. Odom isn't the greatest defender, but he can do more on D than jump through the roof...PeACe
Yeah 6-11 Odom plays great when matched up against 6-7 Marion. I think we see why. Marion is a way better man defender. Fuck the blocks/steals. We saw him in the playoffs defending Parker and Duncan in the same game (and doing a pretty damn good job on both). Odom is a lazy defender who gets burned by SFs and bullied by PFs. I understand you don't wanna sound negative against a player on our roster but you need to cut it out dude. Odom is the same player he was in his rookie season. He hasn't grown at all. He's still the same old "potential" player he's been. Dude hasn't even learned how to go right and he's in what his 9th season? His 13-15 ppg limit is killing us.
LMAO@Marion is a way better man defender. That's a good one, buddy. Almost as dumb as saying Odom is the same player he was in his rookie season. Odom can man up and stay in front of his man undisputedly better than Marion can, so get the fuck out of here with that...and good job givin him an extra inch, Odom is 3 inches taller than Marion and has 3 times the dribbles, passes, shot, post-up game, and pretty much everything...I'm never trading Odom for a garbage player, no matter how much he's struggling right now...PeACe
And just for laughs:
Tim Duncan Game 1 vs. Suns = 33 and 16
Tony Parker Game 1 vs. Suns = 32 and 8
Tim Duncan Game 2 vs. Suns = 29 and 11
Tony Parker Game 2 vs. Suns = 13 and 3
Tim Duncan Game 3 vs. Suns = 33 and 19
Tony Parker Game 3 vs. Suns = 16-5-4
Tim Duncan Game 4 vs. Suns = 21 and 11
Tony Parker Game 4 vs. Suns = 23-7-6
Tim Duncan Game 5 vs. Suns = 21 and 12
Tony Parker Game 5 vs. Suns = 11 and 5
Tim Duncan Game 6 vs. Suns = 24 and 13
Tony Parker Game 6 vs. Suns = 30 and 6
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LOL... maybe we should change our system then. Because our guys need to be scoring like that. :)
A defenseless system will never get you a ring. Look at what happens to players like Caron Butler, Grant Hill, Stephen Jackson, Steve Nash etc. when they're playing a run-and-gun system.
LMAO@Marion in the triangle...what a wreck.
Yeah why would we want someone who can actually give us 20/10 and play 80 games a season?
Anyone can give you 20/10 in Phoenix's system.
Marion did it before Nash and D'antoni took over. Odom hasn't done it at all.
Odom is a 15-10-5 guy with much better defense...If Odom can stay healthy, he is easily an all-star caliber player every year. If Odom sucks for the whole season, I'll eat my words.
Better defense?! OMG! Odom is an All-Star caliber player but Marion is a true All-Star. Re-read the article, its becoming evident to everybody that Odom isn't cutting it.
Put Marion in the triangle offense and he's a role player...Odom had a couple seasons where he shoulda been an all-star. I guarantee that Odom would have been an all-star every year in Phoenix's system, alongside Nash. He's more talented than Marion, get over it. He proves it every time they match up...And Marion plays HORRIBLE defense. Once again, players who get tons of steals and blocks don't equate to good defensive players. It is generally the players with lower steals and blocks, who know how to stay in front of their man, and don't gamble on plays, who are the true defenders. Marion is a weak defender. Odom isn't the greatest defender, but he can do more on D than jump through the roof...PeACe
Yeah 6-11 Odom plays great when matched up against 6-7 Marion. I think we see why. Marion is a way better man defender. Fuck the blocks/steals. We saw him in the playoffs defending Parker and Duncan in the same game (and doing a pretty damn good job on both). Odom is a lazy defender who gets burned by SFs and bullied by PFs. I understand you don't wanna sound negative against a player on our roster but you need to cut it out dude. Odom is the same player he was in his rookie season. He hasn't grown at all. He's still the same old "potential" player he's been. Dude hasn't even learned how to go right and he's in what his 9th season? His 13-15 ppg limit is killing us.
LMAO@Marion is a way better man defender. That's a good one, buddy. Almost as dumb as saying Odom is the same player he was in his rookie season. Odom can man up and stay in front of his man undisputedly better than Marion can, so get the fuck out of here with that...and good job givin him an extra inch, Odom is 3 inches taller than Marion and has 3 times the dribbles, passes, shot, post-up game, and pretty much everything...I'm never trading Odom for a garbage player, no matter how much he's struggling right now...PeACe
And just for laughs:
Tim Duncan Game 1 vs. Suns = 33 and 16
Tony Parker Game 1 vs. Suns = 32 and 8
Tim Duncan Game 2 vs. Suns = 29 and 11
Tony Parker Game 2 vs. Suns = 13 and 3
Tim Duncan Game 3 vs. Suns = 33 and 19
Tony Parker Game 3 vs. Suns = 16-5-4
Tim Duncan Game 4 vs. Suns = 21 and 11
Tony Parker Game 4 vs. Suns = 23-7-6
Tim Duncan Game 5 vs. Suns = 21 and 12
Tony Parker Game 5 vs. Suns = 11 and 5
Tim Duncan Game 6 vs. Suns = 24 and 13
Tony Parker Game 6 vs. Suns = 30 and 6
He is the same player as he was in his rookie season.What has Odom improved in? Go to clublakers.com or lakersground.net - everyone sees it. Didn't Phil just call him out twice? Didn't Tex winters just say he needs to get it together? Hell you can even watch the games and see the rest of the team is getting frustrated with him.
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Dude, Odom is not the same player. Did you ever even watch him with the Clippers? His breakout season was with the Heat, when he was first supposed to make the all-star squad over Jamaal Magloire. He built his body and drastically improved his toughness/rebounding. His next 3 seasons with us were strong, aside from the injuries. He ended last season struggling through a major shoulder injury, and was still able to put up nice numbers. Now he's still coming back from that injury. Lay off his nuts for now at least...It's a brand new season, still not even at the halfway mark...PeACe
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Dude, Odom is not the same player. Did you ever even watch him with the Clippers? His breakout season was with the Heat, when he was first supposed to make the all-star squad over Jamaal Magloire. He built his body and drastically improved his toughness/rebounding. His next 3 seasons with us were strong, aside from the injuries. He ended last season struggling through a major shoulder injury, and was still able to put up nice numbers. Now he's still coming back from that injury. Lay off his nuts for now at least...It's a brand new season, still not even at the halfway mark...PeACe
I was actually gonna ask you that. Anybody that watched him with the Clippers and who watches him now knows this guy hasn't improved a single part of his game! He still can't go right. His post up game is still weak. He still has bad decision making. Hell even his numbers are still the same. Actually worse because he averaged 17ppg for the Clippers and the Heat. The best he's givin us is last year with 15.9. 15.9! We should've kept Butler and traded Odom for Boozer.
And why the fuck do you keep saying he was SUPPOSED to make the All-Star team? Like that shiet was owed to him.
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I was born a Laker and I will die one, but if someone on the team is fuckin' up I will be the first kick them in the ass... and likewise when they do good I will be the first to praise them. It's the law of the jungle...
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Lakers will never win a ring with this team.
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there's no one really i can think of that we could trade for that would make any more positive impact on the team than odom, if we keep him. we need a banger in the post , but who's got that , that we could REALISTICALLY trade for?
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there's no one really i can think of that we could trade for that would make any more positive impact on the team than odom, if we keep him. we need a banger in the post , but who's got that , that we could REALISTICALLY trade for?
Jermaine O'neal - his asking price had to has dropped. Odom + Kwame + our 1st Round Draft Pick
Pau Gasol - the Lakers said they didn't want to go after him and put Jerry West in a tough position but fuck it, he's just what we're looking for and he's still not happy in Memphis. Odom + Crittenton? Odom + 2 1st Round Draft Picks?
Hell I'd even settle for us calling up Marc Gasol.
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pau gasol yeah...maybe, then you have more incentive for marc to come over and they tear shit up with spain in the FIBA. but not for jermaine o'neal he had a slight shot this summer but i'm kinda glad he didn't take it.
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the pb is others teams would probably want Andrew to be included in any packages .. trading Lamar+fillers for a All Star ain't happenin
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no team in their right mind would take odom and some change, they will want odom + bynum + picks for an allstar, if fans are seeing odom fuck up, so is everyone else (players, coaches, gm's)
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Dude, Odom is not the same player. Did you ever even watch him with the Clippers? His breakout season was with the Heat, when he was first supposed to make the all-star squad over Jamaal Magloire. He built his body and drastically improved his toughness/rebounding. His next 3 seasons with us were strong, aside from the injuries. He ended last season struggling through a major shoulder injury, and was still able to put up nice numbers. Now he's still coming back from that injury. Lay off his nuts for now at least...It's a brand new season, still not even at the halfway mark...PeACe
I was actually gonna ask you that. Anybody that watched him with the Clippers and who watches him now knows this guy hasn't improved a single part of his game! He still can't go right. His post up game is still weak. He still has bad decision making. Hell even his numbers are still the same. Actually worse because he averaged 17ppg for the Clippers and the Heat. The best he's givin us is last year with 15.9. 15.9! We should've kept Butler and traded Odom for Boozer.
And why the fuck do you keep saying he was SUPPOSED to make the All-Star team? Like that shiet was owed to him.
Because he was clearly robbed by Jamaal Magloire that one year, when there was an outrage over it on the east coast...Either way, Lamar could easily put up 20-25 points nowadays as a first option, which is what he was with the Clippers. To say he hasn't improved his game is beyond ignorant. It's something that someone who only looks at numbers would say, so it doesn't surprise me coming from you. The way he's built is different than how he was built in his younger days. Of course, he's not gunna get boss scoring numbers alongside Kobe, but look at his drastic increase in production with Miami as opposed to his days with the Clippers. You don't see the jump? He's been a double-double guy for 4 years straight, now...something he never was with the Clippers. And Odom doesn't have an amazing post game, but he will post you up, and he is very capable of scoring on the block...something he was weak at when he was younger, as well...So to say that Odom is the same player just goes to show how much you really know on the topic. Caron Butler would not flourish on the Lakers like he did in Washingtons open court offense, so it's good that we traded him. We'd be lost as fuck right now without Kwame's toughness on the block. And Odom is much more fit for the triangle, so I'm glad we traded Butler instead...PeACe
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no team in their right mind would take odom and some change, they will want odom + bynum + picks for an allstar, if fans are seeing odom fuck up, so is everyone else (players, coaches, gm's)
Odom is in his pre-season right now...When he's back to being that 15-5-5 guy on a regular basis, there will be tons of teams interested. As of now, we could easily get Artest or Kirilenko for him...PeACe
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the pb is others teams would probably want Andrew to be included in any packages .. trading Lamar+fillers for a All Star ain't happenin
Indiana is retarded if they don't take Lamar+Kwame+1st pick for JO...That said, I wouldn't want LO for JO straight up, considering how JO's been performing in Indiana.
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^^^^ I don't want J.O , dude won't reach his best level anymore .. as I said many times , I want Gasol
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well we got one of them technically
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there really isn't anyone out there, we just have to hope bynum and critt develop quicker
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^ sounds like a plan.. I will pray to Jesus and you can pray to Allah.... that way we are covered on both angles. ;)
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lol laker fans are so fickle. saying the lakers should ship out odom immediatley is just complete ludacris. if anything a player like odom (who is one of the most versitile players in the game) is the perfect compliment for a player like kobe bryant. and when bynum fully develops he'd be the 3rd best option in the league hands down. name one thing the guy cant do? he can post up, hit the mid range shot, rebound with the best power forwards in the game, has a handle and vision like a point guard and picks his spots in the offence which is essential in the triangle offence the lakers play.
and to the guy who said name one thing odom has improved on, his 3pt stroke has drastically improved since he entered the league. when the alkers are healthy there a dangerous team, they are hovering at .500 in thw west with nagging injuries to odom and kwame. when the lakers are healthy and bynum and the other young guys continut to develop the lakers are a very dangerous team, and i for one think having odom around is only beneficial for them. Think of these three players playing in the leakers system for a whole season injury free:
kobe bryant (30+ppg 5rpg 5apg)
lamar odom (18ppg 10rpg 5apg)
andrew bynum (18ppg 10rpg 3bpg)
how can anyone argue with the core of the team being like that?
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^ your concerns are noted....
But it's not like he's a young rookie that we have been waiting on to develop. He's a vet that has never blossomed in to his potential as an NBA star.
We need him to be more than just a "good" player to "have around".... He needs to be a star on this team and in this league.
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Lamar Odom is not a superstar. A superstar is somebody who excels in at least one aspect of the game, and he makes the difference on the floor. Chris Paul is a superstar because he can score, he can dishes the ball, he has floor leadership. Howard is a superstar cause he's a rebounding machine, and he can score too, if you give him the ball inside in a good position. Pau Gasol is a superstar because he's a PF/C who can shoot from 3pts, who can rebound, who can score, who has floor leadership, etc.. Lamar Odom is not. Plain and simple. Ok, he is a good rebounder, he is skilled enought to score 10-15 points per game, but he lacks a lot of aspects in his game and he hasn't worked hard enought to fix them (yet?). First of all he's soft. Yes he is, plain and simple. And i'm talking about his concentration on the game. He ain't always with his mind 100% concentrated on the game, he takes pauses, he shots less than 5-6 times during some games (you will never see Duncan, or Boozer, or other good PF players take less than 5-6 shots. And they both have another good scorer in their team, so don't blame Kobe!), plus he makes stupid mistakes (don't let me post some embarassing mistakes he does when he's not concentrated on the floor, like passing himself the ball from a throw in, etc..). He's def playing under his potential. He's somehow like Kwame Brown: a dude with great potential but with menthal problems (i'm not calling him retarded, i'm saying he doesn't concentrate his mind on the floor the right way). Kwame at least worked hard to become a good one-on-one post defender. Odom has worked hard to grab rebounds. But is it enought? No. Is he playing so bad that we should trade him? That's another story. He's playing as a PF, basically. So if we trade him, we gotta replace him with another PF. The problem is: who is that PF we could realistically sign who is better than him?
Carlos Boozer? Hell yeah, he is better than Odom no fucking doubt. But Utah won't trade him (no more)
Jermaine O'Neal? He's not playing well in Indiana and we can't sacrifice Bynum for him. So.. no (more). Because of Bynum, basically.
Pau Gasol? Hell yeah, he's a beast!! I'd fucking love him! But Mitch said he don't want to ask him to Jerry West. So.. Mitch already said "no!".
Matrix? No. He's not a superstar, just like Odom. And i see no point in trading Odom for him.
Who else?
That's the problem! We have nobody better than him to sign if we trade him (obviously i'm not considering trades involving Bynum or Kobe). Make some names if you have them, cause i dont! Nobody. So.. even if he ain't a superstar (imho), and even if he's not playing like he could (it's also because of he's recovering from an injury, but let's not be hyprocrite saying that's his only problem), i think we should keep him. He can only improve, and if he does the team will improve. Let's wait and let's hope he starts to play like he should. Again.
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lol laker fans are so fickle.
sad, but true...
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Lamar Odom is not a superstar. A superstar is somebody who excels in at least one aspect of the game, and he makes the difference on the floor. Chris Paul is a superstar because he can score, he can dishes the ball, he has floor leadership. Howard is a superstar cause he's a rebounding machine, and he can score too, if you give him the ball inside in a good position. Pau Gasol is a superstar because he's a PF/C who can shoot from 3pts, who can rebound, who can score, who has floor leadership, etc.. Lamar Odom is not. Plain and simple. Ok, he is a good rebounder, he is skilled enought to score 10-15 points per game, but he lacks a lot of aspects in his game and he hasn't worked hard enought to fix them (yet?). First of all he's soft. Yes he is, plain and simple. And i'm talking about his concentration on the game. He ain't always with his mind 100% concentrated on the game, he takes pauses, he shots less than 5-6 times during some games (you will never see Duncan, or Boozer, or other good PF players take less than 5-6 shots. And they both have another good scorer in their team, so don't blame Kobe!), plus he makes stupid mistakes (don't let me post some embarassing mistakes he does when he's not concentrated on the floor, like passing himself the ball from a throw in, etc..). He's def playing under his potential. He's somehow like Kwame Brown: a dude with great potential but with menthal problems (i'm not calling him retarded, i'm saying he doesn't concentrate his mind on the floor the right way). Kwame at least worked hard to become a good one-on-one post defender. Odom has worked hard to grab rebounds. But is it enought? No. Is he playing so bad that we should trade him? That's another story. He's playing as a PF, basically. So if we trade him, we gotta replace him with another PF. The problem is: who is that PF we could realistically sign who is better than him?
Carlos Boozer? Hell yeah, he is better than Odom no fucking doubt. But Utah won't trade him (no more)
Jermaine O'Neal? He's not playing well in Indiana and we can't sacrifice Bynum for him. So.. no (more). Because of Bynum, basically.
Pau Gasol? Hell yeah, he's a beast!! I'd fucking love him! But Mitch said he don't want to ask him to Jerry West. So.. Mitch already said "no!".
Matrix? No. He's not a superstar, just like Odom. And i see no point in trading Odom for him.
Who else?
That's the problem! We have nobody better than him to sign if we trade him (obviously i'm not considering trades involving Bynum or Kobe). Make some names if you have them, cause i dont! Nobody. So.. even if he ain't a superstar (imho), and even if he's not playing like he could (it's also because of he's recovering from an injury, but let's not be hyprocrite saying that's his only problem), i think we should keep him. He can only improve, and if he does the team will improve. Let's wait and let's hope he starts to play like he should. Again.
The thing is, Odom doesn't typically take 5 or 6 shots...he has been this year, because he's coming off an injury and missed training camp AND pre-season. this is basically his pre-season, he's just now getting his legs under him. If you remember, Odom was playing superb for most of the last two seasons before he got injured... on an all-star level. Odom's contract is up next season, so if he doesn't step it up and get back to his 18-10-5, we can always trade him this off-season or even next season as an expiring contract, which could get us even more than if we traded him now like dumbasses...Either way, I like Odom, and I don't think we should trade him, especially not now...PeACe
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The thing is that everybody who wants us to trade him can't write down a good trade scenario that makes me say: "Ok, let's do it!".
Trade Odom? Ok. For?
I do agree: let's keep him, since there's nothing better around.
And THANK GOD we didn't trade Bynum.
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Lets also keep him because he's a warrior with all-star talent who fits very well in the triangle offense...PeACe
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I wouldn't trade him now at this very moment..... but I would definitely get rid of him if a great opportunity came up....or at the end of the season if he still has us pulling out our hair in frustration.
And I don't necessarily see all of this as Laker fans being fickle... being a fan doesn't mean smiling at everything good or bad and having to accept everything with no voice or opinion.
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LOL
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Lol this dude is really on a I-Love-Lamar mission. Easy to laugh now that he's actually playing good. I posted this when dude was taking 7 shots a game and inbounding the ball to himself.
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You posted this when he was coming off of an injury...I'm not on any mission, I just came along this thread in a search and found it funny how right I was and how wrong you were. Notice how everything I said was true. You're the only one who thought Odom wasn't capable of playing like he is...PeACe
Still LOL@AK-for-Odom.
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Obviously you are. You've brought up me wanting Odom traded about 3-4 times in the past month and a half.
But you're right Odom is playing great. So I apologize. I apologize for not realizing that all we had to do is pull of a miracle water-to-wine trade for an All-Star to make our $14 million dollar man to play like he's worthy of being in the NBA.
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^Actually, Odom has been good in every second half of the season since we acquired him. He ALWAYS steps it up when it counts, which is why I knew he would do it again. That's also why I questioned whether you either a.)had memory loss or b.)hadn't been watching Odom play...
and I only brought up Odom in threads where it was relevant...this thread was bumped because I was searching some shit and came along it...PeACe
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i agree, trade him away!!! he stinks!!
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LOL at Nik diggin in the archives to bump this thread.
Go get a job or go to school or do something, there is more to life then dubcnn, you should see someone professionally Nik, its not normal dude.
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LOL@your ass of all people talking about "not normal"...like I said, I used the search to look up an old Lamar Odom thread I made, and this came up. Lamar Odom>JO.
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Lol this dude is really on a I-Love-Lamar mission. Easy to laugh now that he's actually playing good. I posted this when dude was taking 7 shots a game and inbounding the ball to himself.
he was coming off an injury. regardless of how much he was underachieving, u gotta be more supportive than that bro. odom steps it up at the end of EVERY year, particularly in the past playoffs when he making shawn marion his bitch. all we had to do was wait.
and no offense NIK, but it is pretty petty bumping up an old topic like this, regardless of whether or not u found it by chance. yall are both laker fans. he already admitted he was wrong, time to move on and look forward to sweeping the mormons.