West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: techniec on June 29, 2001, 09:11:00 AM
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have yall noticed how miniture and weak the west coast has been, it went from being a huge hip hop bloc, a lobby to being a piece of shit, and u know what it pisses me off
5 years ago, during the golden age of gangsta rap, mc eiht and spice 1 were going gold,
nowadays people like mack 10 and dj quik, whose first 3-4 albums went gold, dont go gold anymore
it pisses me off that the west coast is so small an dinsignificant in hip hop today, the whole coast is under rated, tell me yall , who the fuck on the west sells?
only multi-platinum artists are dre and snoop
eastsidaz, warren g, and xzibit are at the platinum mark
and too short and ice cube go gold usually, thats it?
it kills me when guys like kurupt cant sell, his first album went gold, but thats only cuz it was adouble album,
tha streetz is a mutha only sold like 300,000
bad azz wont sell, the new kurupt wont sell, i doubt eastsidaz will go platinum again, i find it hard to belive xzibits next shit will sell more than gold
the west coast needs to wake up and check itself
look at atlanta , their the capital of rap now,
we need to do something quik
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the other problem is distribution.. when dre's album came out my local store has like 50 copies... it had 2 copies of kurupts >:(
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yeah for sure, distribution and promotion is a problem, these major label fat cats just ignore the left coast,
cmon yall, i wanna see yall opinions on this, this is our music, and its barely surviving in the mainstrema world
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Yeah, I Don't Know How The First Eastsidaz Went Plat, I Didn't Understand That.
Snoop PutHis Name On Doggy's Angels, And I Don't Think It Moved 100K...
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I think Snoop and Dre sell because they appeal to a mainstream audience, Dre through Eminem and Snoop cos hes always on tv, radio other peoples songs.
Rappers like Kurupt aint up on MTV every day so the mainstream audience knows their there but aint interested.
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Eastsidaz sold because they had 2 BIG singles out ('Got Beef' and 'G'd Up')...."Streetz Is a Mutha" went Gold..."Space Boogie is gunna go Platinum", because of all the TRL shit....Xzibit is getting bigger by the day....I belive the West is doing better and better...not getting worse..
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Snoops got a fanbase of 1 million fans in the US, those are fans that appreciate his music and doesn't just buy whats in, that fans that keep it real. These are fans that listenins to a song several times just to see if they can like it more. They give Snoop a chance even if they don't feel his shit with once.
Then he got 500 000 fans that'll buy his stuff if they think its dope, or else they won't these fans doesn't give his music much chance, either they must feel the shit with once or not at all.
And then you got those who buys whatever they like at the moment, they don't give a fuck about the artist as long as they feel the shit at the moment.
And last you got those motherfuckers that buys anything thats in, call em teenbloppers if you want to.
thats why snoop sells, thats why Eastsidaz sold
the reason why Doggys Angels didn't too good is cause female rappers usually don't do too good, if it sold 100k then it was only cause Snoop was there
beside I never listened to that shit actually and I am one of the biggest Snoop fans around
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i donno about kurupt goin plat i can see gold but a sellin a mill may be pushin it
i gotta agree with techniec on the most of the shit but overseeer is right about distibution, its shit. Tha Streetz.. only hit my local major record store last november and all DPG records releases i gotta special order and they cost me 35$+ its stupid
the website or the major record store is listing kurupts new cd as 29.99 which i'll pay IF it actually hits the store up here
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Or if Doggy's Angels were fine, and were half nude in their videos, they woulda' gone plantinum...
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good post techniec. i agree, its a real shame the underground cats like Eiht, Above The Law (never even gone gold) etc dont sell.
i think one problem is fans/support. in the other markets (east , south, etc) the fans and the industry support their own. but out west, the radio is about 50% non-west, mix tape and club djs play the same, and a lot of fans are very fickle.
plus, even so-called west coast supporters dont know shit about any west coast artists outside of Dre and Snoops camps. I always hear shit like 'well if Ras Kass would get with Dre hed go plat' etc etc. FUCK THAT, Ras Kass is dope on his own. People need to realize there are a lot of fools making music, sure it might not be on Dre's level but its still good ass music.
one other thing i want to add is the independent game. The REAL west coast hip hop supporters are true to the music, and will support their artists (especially in the Bay). so now the artists are seeing they can sell to the underground heads and make their money if they target their markets. you wont see them on mtv that way, but it avoids a lot of bullshit politics and industry snakes. So they set up their own label and do it that way.
and of course the hip hop media is to blame. weve all seen the bullshit reviews the source CONSTANTLY give to west coast acts. okay so east coast writers will like east coast music better, well fuck that. get west coast writers in there, make a west coast version of the magazine if you have to. just give us our fuckin props.
so basically the wests back is against the wall, but fortunately there are some real fans who support the artists even if they dont get on mtv. we need more.
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I Agree With The Statements About Snoop's Fans, He'll Go Plat Even If The Album Ain't Good, Because Peeps Like Me Will Buy It To Give It A Try.
I Also Agree With Loc's Statements About It Doesn't Have To Be Dre Level Stuff To Buy.
Even If You DO Think Dre's At The Top Of The Game, There's Still A Cut Off Point, Ya Know? Like The Question Is, How Tight Does The Artist Have To Be Before You'll Buy Their Stuff... I'm Not Gonna Sit Here And Crap On Mr. Short Khop Because His Album Didn't Have Dre On It, It Was STILL Tight... So I Bought It Too. And X-Raided Ain't NEVER Gonna Have Dre On His Album, But It's Still Tight, Even If It Isn't As Good.
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Eastsidaz sold because they had 2 BIG singles out ('Got Beef' and 'G'd Up'
yeah true but doggy's angels also have two bigg ones,,, baby if u ready was at the top for how long 8 weeks i think,, plus everywhere i go i hear "pleezbaleevit" dawm ,,,it's a shame
-slickk 8)
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check it
dre 2001- 7 million very good
tha last meal-2.5 million
restless-1.75 million
kuruption!-gold (it's not considered a double cd cuz it's only a 70+ min album)
tha streetz iz a mutha-gold
You Nasty-gold
balance and options-gold
Peace Disc-gold+
until the end of time-3times platnum
Tha Eastsidaz-platnum
the west is doing very good for it's self just cuz they ain't all over the place like they use to don't mean the west sux , times change and another coast has to shine it's like Ghostface and Raekwon said right now it's the souths time to shine ain't no thang, just as long as all my fav west coast artists are putting out good music every things alright, how do you imagine how the east felt when gangsta rap and g-funk took over after they had rap on lock for so many years....that was the wests time to shine then master p got popular and that opened alot of doors for alot of down south acts to shine, it's just their time to shine right now, slowly the midwest is starting to come up now , if you look at cash money they're actually saling less records and people are looking else where for a good "party jam" seeing they're falling like no limit did, that's why they're picking up mack 10 taking a chapter out of master p's playbook to save their lable they gotta sign a willing star from another genre in rap....anyways i'm talking too much but you get my point just stick to what you like and who gives a fuck if it sales 10 million or 10 thousand the chronic is the chronic platnum plus or not
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Y'all have to understand that the west is very, very diverse. People from all walks of life, all around the world come to live in California. I know alot of people from the east who come to live in Cali and they still support East Coast music. Thats why stations here play all kinds of hip-hop, cause there are all kinds of rap fans here. I'm not saying it isn't like that in the East or South but Cali is more diverse then those regions.
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all i kno is "who ride wit us" was fucking huge in my town.. everyone knew and liked that song.. i kno maybe 5 people who hav that album.. and all of them bought it before that song was big..
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yeah west coast radio is full of shit, i lived in fremont, for 3 years, and in san fran for on eyear, and the radio, while playing lots of west shit, didnt support the underground and many west coast acts,
especially in the bay, cats like rappin 4 tay and too short have complained about llack of play,
one more thing, big jake, all those numbers u put up i already knew of, but can u tell me how sure u are of tha streetz iz a mutha's gold status
same for balance and options, cuz those 2 albums thought didnt sell shit, how sure are u of those numbers,, one more thing , west does sell, but not like we should
since1999
warren g- i want it all
platinum
dr.dre- 2001
7 million
(but all of u know, the teenage pop group made this album sell what it sold, the eminem/mtv crowd)
kurupt- tha streetz iz a mutha
i thought it only sold 300,000, but some say its gold
snoop dogg- nl top dogg
platinum
tha eastsidaz
platinum
snoop dogg- tha last meal
2 platinum
too short- you nasty
gold
ice cube- vol. 2
gold
dj quik- rhythymalism
gold
dj quik- balance and options
gold??
so yeah we are doing good, but as for the upcoming releases, here are my predictions
smoke oddessey- less than gold
bad azz- less than gold
tha eastsidaz- gold
i hope the west keeps getting them plaques,
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i think eastsidaz will go plat again and space boogie will go gold.. i jus hav good feelings about kurupts album now that i've listened to it like 15 times through..
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man don't be questioning me like that unless you want your cap peeled back partna!
naw just playin
i know all those numbers cuz it has them all over the net and of corse streetz went gold every muther fucker in know in bakersfield ownes it
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Dre 2001 has sold 6 million, not 7 million.
Anyway, the west coast is still way ahead of the east coast in sales, and a big reason for that is one that no one has mentioned yet, surprisingly. Last time I checked, he goes by the name of Tupac Shakur. However, I do think the east has made more hip hop classics than the west.
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no actually i was right it's at 7 mill
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no actually i was right it's at 7 mill
Nope. The only rap albums to sell 7 million or more were:
Life After Death
E.1999 Eternal
All Eyez On Me
2Pac Greatest Hits
MMLP
Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer dont count, cuz im only talking about legit rap albums. 2001 will probably get there though.
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dude it's at 7 mil trust me
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oh yeah and your leaving out licence to ill which sold 8 mil
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oh yeah and your leaving out licence to ill which sold 8 mil
True that, License To Ill is probably passed 8 million.
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DAMN, I Didn't Know They Were From Cali?
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Puffy's No Way out is at 7 million
Will Smith's Big Willie Style is at 8 million
Dre is at/or around 7 million. If It's not at 7 million buy now then it will pass it by the end of the year.
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2001 is at 7 million it just hasn't been certified yet. MMLP is at 9 million same thing. And Streetz is a Mutha did go gold, but just barely. Hopefully Kurupt will go plat this time around. I don't see the Eastsidaz going plat again. Bad Azz won't even go gold...Pleezbaleevit...
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e.1999 eternal is only certified as 4 times platinum.
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riiaas shit is fucked up
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Good post- I think that all those people who used to buy West Coast albums, are now buying South Shit, like Ludacris, Cash Money, Lil Jon and the Eastside Boyz, all that wack shit.
I used to work at a record store. And this is merely an observation. It seems like most of the black people were always into whatever was hot at the time. Instead of showing support for a few artists they really respect.
I remember back when the West Coast was in it's golden age, and I was younger, I was in the habit of always buying all the big hip-hop releases, that came out every few months. But then, as Puffy, Master P, DMX, and Jay-Z started blowing up, I bought a few bad records, and I had to change the way I buy music.
And The Streetz is a Mutha, I don't think it went gold because I don't remember it being listed in the Source when they show all the gold and platinum artists at the end of the year.
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im wondering if it went gold as well, it debuted #31, and quickly fell off the chart
i do know that when who ride wit us dropped, sales picked up cuz that single was amazing, but did it pick up enough for the album to go gold?
can anybody officially confirm this??
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And The Streetz is a Mutha, I don't think it went gold because I don't remember it being listed in the Source when they show all the gold and platinum artists at the end of the year.
The source's sales listings are bs. By the time the print the magazine it's all wrong. Some are wrong from the begining. Streetz is a mutha is gold. My newspaper even said it.
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Mark my words..."Space Boogie" will go platnum...
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It sold 7 mill, like Jake said.
Yeah, it's the South's time to shine...But we got shitty acts like Cash Money, No Limit and Trick Daddy's clique, while the ones who deserve it, like Outkast, Goodie Mob, even UGK, they not selling what they deserve. Yukmouth only went gold...So all is not well in the South.
And yeah, Mid-West comin up. But where after that? European rap? Canadian rap? :)
One reason Kurupt doesn't sell much overall is cause many East Coast heads reckon he's a traitor.
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wanna know y eastsidaz went plat? that album was near classic!!!! plus its had snoops name on it so its garenteed 2 reach that i thiunk dueces n trays will go plat too but maybe take a while
kurupt i'm not sure of gold tho but with this hook up with roc a fella hes been doing with daz should help sales from east coast peeps and all westcoast peeps like kurupt what he needs is a song 2 blow up on the radio, who ride with us didn't blow up here at all considering in only heard it oncewhat kurupt needs is what butch cassidy has just done on the voilator album with that jada and prodigy cos i can see that tune blowing up although its not gone help butch much cops ppl ain't gone mention him like westwood just didn't and he is just doin a hook but u know what i'm saying get ya self on jigga's second single with daz na mean
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Riaa's numbers are way off on alot of those albums.
True, Will Smith and Puffy made albums that sold 7 million, but I dont count those, cuz I dont consider them to be "legit" hip hop albums.
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Naw, Will's was legit, a bit poppy, but then again, so was MMLP. No Way Out's a good album, in one way...But in another, more important way, it wasn't a legit album. :)
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I think No Way Out was the beginning of the downfall of hip hop. Ever since that album came out, alot of artists have been more concerned about making a dollar than about actually doing something creative for the artform. And as a result, we have shit artists like Nelly, Cash Money, and Jay Z winning awards......96' was the last great year for hip hop. 97' was horrible. The only albums I liked that year were The Untouchable, Art Of War, Wu Forever, Life After Death, and R U Still Down.......
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Yukmouth only went gold...So all is not well in the South.
Hold up.... what does Yukmouth Have to do with tha south? He's on Rap-A-Lot Records which is a Mid West Lable but he's from CALI which makes him a West Coast Rapper..... he represents East Side Oakland (Like Too $hort)....
Yeah, well you probably already know all this.... and I'm tellin you all this for no reason but what you said just kinda confused me....
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yo top dogg, what did your newspaper say exactly regarding tha streetz iz a mutha being gold???
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Hold up.... what does Yukmouth Have to do with tha south? He's on Rap-A-Lot Records which is a Mid West Lable but he's from CALI which makes him a West Coast Rapper..... he represents East Side Oakland (Like Too $hort)....
Yeah, well you probably already know all this.... and I'm tellin you all this for no reason but what you said just kinda confused me....
all that is true but aint Rap A Lot based in Houston? isnt J. Prince from H-Town?
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yo top dogg, what did your newspaper say exactly regarding tha streetz iz a mutha being gold???
Rapper Kurupt was recently in town for a party celebrating his album "streetz is a mutha" going gold. (Philadelphia Daily News) Not exact words but you get the point. This was last year.
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Over here in the UK the only West Coast G to sell & make an impact on our music charts (which are dominated by boy/girl groups) is Dre. I'm not sure what the actual figures are to date but I know in it's first couple o' months on release it was gettin' so much hype (well deserved might I add) that it was bound 2 sell.
The UK don't seem 2 appreciate the whole Hip-Hop movement, peeps here only giv recognition to media saps like PD & Nelly. I mean in my local HMV store Kurupt's joint, The Streets is on sale 4 like £5.99 which is so unbeleivably cheap 4 such a West Coast master MC or even any otha music genre but he still ain't sellin.
Hell, I don't know?
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the reason ppl like kurupt dont sell much iz cuz the majority of listenaz dont digg wat they're saying, AND they dont appeal to dem, most of deez west coast ppl aint doin original shit, jus talk bout the gangsta lifestlye and shit, bascially followin past hits' like pac's footsteps, ...the reason eminem sold iz cuz he had sumn diffrent compared to most rappaz (plus he was white)
, u get wat i m sayin?
dont get me rong tho', i luv west coast hip hop, but i m jus sayin how i see the casue to be-->sumn new to appeal to da masses, and of course the cluttered menatlity of dre/snoop=westcoast rap.