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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: WC Iz Active on December 12, 2007, 04:27:03 PM
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Now that I finally have both set up, I have to say that I think they are both equally amazing. I am very impressed with both, and I honestly dont see a difference in the two. both are amazing. Im surprised why some people think Blu-Ray is better in picture than HdDvd, both seem equal to me.
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How is it set up? Type of tv and size?
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42 inch toshiba hdtv. Its a new model, I lucked out with the price.
my hd dvd player is toshiba and is hooked up to the hdtv through hdmi, the blu-ray comes from the ps3 and is also connected to the tv through hdmi.
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im happy with my set-up after a LOT of research. panasonic 32 inch hdtv which is labelled as HD Ready - native res 1366 x 768 (it can play a 1080p source though, just downscales slightly). however this screen is best lcd ive seen hands down for sd material so normal dvds look awesome and even my wii looks decent. xbox 360 looks incredible and as far as HD video files - i download them. HD DVD and Blu-ray rips look awesome - PC is hooked up to the HDTV via VGA (sure digital video is nice but the difference is marginal and HDTV's generally only do HD resolutions through HDMI, as opposed to PC resolutions as well over VGA)...sound is covered too, everything is wired up either digitally or analogue into a nice pc sound set-up (analogue is needed for pc games and wii games cause they dont do digital 5.1)...
I'm happy to download HD Rips while the formats fight it out and have the best of both worlds ;] with over a terabyte of hard drive space and bandwidth to spare why the hell not? 8)
I'll invest in an actual player and some hard copies of HD movies when it all comes down in price and there's some good multi-format players and/or burners to buy...
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They are the same, except blue ray can hole up to like 80 gigs or somethiing like that, which in most cases will never even be fully used.
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They are the same, except blue ray can hole up to like 80 gigs or somethiing like that, which in most cases will never even be fully used.
wow 80 gigs? yeah why would you need all that space on a movie. you could probably have the godfather trilogy on there in SUPER HD with 500.1 sound with room to spare for all of my movies on my ipod.
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How much data can you fit on a Blu-ray disc?
A single-layer disc can hold 25GB.
A dual-layer disc can hold 50GB.
To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.
How much video can you fit on a Blu-ray disc?
Over 9 hours of high-definition (HD) video on a 50GB disc.
About 23 hours of standard-definition (SD) video on a 50GB disc.
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^ so, "goodbye box sets", in other words.
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i was reading about the next hd format being researched and put together for the future, 'ultra high definition' something like 16 times the resolution of 1080p and so realistic that people have felt motion sickness when watching moving images due to the reality of it. oh and 22.2 point surround sound to go with it, crazy!
apparently the next-gen media could be some protein layered disc or something but still being read by optics....should be interesting...
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Shoulda' made this a poll...
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i was reading about the next hd format being researched and put together for the future, 'ultra high definition' something like 16 times the resolution of 1080p and so realistic that people have felt motion sickness when watching moving images due to the reality of it. oh and 22.2 point surround sound to go with it, crazy!
apparently the next-gen media could be some protein layered disc or something but still being read by optics....should be interesting...
so should i even fuckin buy a new 1080p tv then ?
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^^god yes! 1080p is the future, it wont even be fullly utilized for another several years, 1080p is the future. I dont know what that dude was talking about that ultra shit but if thats true you are looking at 20 something years down the road. get a 1080p its the future
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Word? I have an 32" LCD HD Panasonic. I wanted to wait out the format "war" between HD & Blu-ray before I bought one. So, I bouth an upconverting 1080p Phillips DVD player. It looks pretty good. Probably not anywhere near Blu-ray or HD though.
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yeah sorry your looking at 10-20 years down the line for that ultra shit so its all good for now, its interesting though....
i'd say be weary of buying a full 1080p set even now. there's not a huge different between 720p and 1080p on a quality set, both resolutions look truly HD. the problem i find with the 1080p sets is because the higher native resolution they have more problems upscaling normal content - its unlikely anything standard definition is gonna look anywhere near as good as on a set which has a slightly lower native resolution and some decent video processors. after studying everything on the market, if you want a consumer grade lcd tv, Panasonic are definitely the way to go. One of their 'HD ready' sets with a native res 1368x768 will give hands down the best performance considering both SD and HD material. Downside if any is that you cant get native 1080p for 1080p sources. However it can play in 1080p with a bit of downscaling and the picture is so good on 720p that I'd say its easily worth it just so all your SD stuff is watchable on a big screen.
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/lcd-tv/tx-32lmd70/index.htm
and to the dude above me, get some real HD action by plugging in a VGA cable and downloading some HD rips from the web 8) don't have to worry about the format war for now...
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MyTV is very similar to that one. Where would I stream HD shit from?
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http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6810011-1.html?tag=txt
http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/11/13/still-no-discernable-difference-between-1080i-and-1080p/
These are two good articles that compare 720p, 1080i, and 1080p.
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play HD stuff off your PC ;] you can download HD-DVD and Blu-ray rips off torrents like normal movies...bout 8 gigs a movie for a 720p rip...however having a good 5.1 set-up certainly helps things...
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that cnet review talked about how well a set is able to convert resolution (scaling). how do i know what tv's are good at doing that and which are bad/average.
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yeah sure, i know it said some stuff about deinterlacting too, which is a different procedure but again can vary from set to set. a 1080p set is gonna have a hard time scaling SD content (like normal dvds and normal tv) unless its super duper high end because it has that much more stretching and processing to do. the tv is gonna be most appropriate depends entirely on what your gonna be using it for. if you want it strictly for HD sources then a 1080p set might be ok.
however as i said and as the article confirms too, you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p easily and certainly not if your screen is 50 inches or smaller. so, the best set imo is gonna be one of the panasonic HD ready models that can accept 1080p anyway (although scales it down). these sets are easily the best at upscaling normal content, considerably better than sony and toshiba etc and they have the best all round picture quality anyway. this is only my opinion but ive seen a lot of hdtvs in action on a variety of sources. i was looking for a 25-35inch LCD model to use on a variety of SD and HD sources at the time though, so depending on what you're looking for the best make/model of screen could vary...
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^ if it can upscale to a 1080p why don't the manufactuers boat about that?
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??? if its one of the panasonic sets that i was talking about...they downscale to 1080p cause the native resolution of the tv is lower than that of 1080p. downscale = displays the source by decreasing number of pixels in it and upscaling is the opposite - a source is displayed at a higher resolution that it is actually stored at, obviously being more problematic because there's 'blanks' to fill in or play about with to get the source displayed full screen. if you got a lcd monitor its literally when you stretch a video but then it looks crappy cause of the souce being lower resolution than your display, although upscaling refers to when it isn't just stretched but processed to look better/much better than just blowing it up.
that's the problem with lcd and plasma displays compared to 'old school' CRT tvs. they are much smaller, economical etc etc but cause they are a 'fixed resolution' display you got all these issues with upscaling/downscaling to get around cause of the different resolutions content is stored in. a CRT screen uses a completely different technology that scales different resolutions pretty much perfectly and the contrast/colour is light years ahead of lcds too. shame they are so damn big but there are upcoming technologies that will offer higher quality imaging along with compact flat screens. for now though lcds have improved a lot (the panasonic hdtvs are really nice) and a high end plasma gives you the very best picture quality on a flat screen if you can afford it and are going for something big (around 40 inches or above).
peace.
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^ so, "goodbye box sets", in other words.
:'(
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From the research I've done, 1080p is just a marketing tool. For example, if a manufacturer puts a "p" instead of an "i" they can sell a tv for hundreds more and make more money. Asking people at Best Buy, Circuit City, or wherever will say the same thing because that's their job. However, the only way you can see a difference between 720, 1080i, or 1080p is to get within a foot or so of your tv and then you can see minor granulation and cross patterns...but who gets that close to watch?
The only difference is between SD (480) and HD (720, 1080i/p). I think that the more important things to look at when shopping for a tv are contrast ratios (the higher the number the better, i.e. 15,000:1) and refresh rates. Those two things will give you more colors and less pixelation and make your picture better. It has nothing to do with i or p or any other nonsense sales people want you to believe.
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Now that I finally have both set up, I have to say that I think they are both equally amazing. I am very impressed with both, and I honestly dont see a difference in the two. both are amazing. Im surprised why some people think Blu-Ray is better in picture than HdDvd, both seem equal to me.
yeah? im gonna get me one of those so i can jack off to some AMAZING camron videos in HD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here is the TV I just got. I fuckin love it, hd and blu-ray dvd's look great on it.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-REGZA-42HL67-720p-HDTV/dp/B000MY39HK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1197875472&sr=8-2
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Damn I haven't even experienced either :-X
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something in me still wants a 1080p over a 720p....even though all the research says it'll be more economical to get the 720 if i'm not going over 50 inches. maybe i should though....hmmmm
this shit is fucking with my mind....either way i'm going to need a couple grand .
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i'm not buying into none of them, i'm just waiting for the video on demand to come, fuck a support. I heard the last support is commin next with the holgraphic versatile disc which can hold 160 times what the blue ray does (4 terabits). That ultra high definition looks tight, i got a sharp aquos 42 inch screens. Next screen i'm gonna buy is a SED screen i hope they will be commercialized in the next year. Their definition and time response is by far superior to anything that exist on the market
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display
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From the research I've done, 1080p is just a marketing tool. For example, if a manufacturer puts a "p" instead of an "i" they can sell a tv for hundreds more and make more money. Asking people at Best Buy, Circuit City, or wherever will say the same thing because that's their job. However, the only way you can see a difference between 720, 1080i, or 1080p is to get within a foot or so of your tv and then you can see minor granulation and cross patterns...but who gets that close to watch?
The only difference is between SD (480) and HD (720, 1080i/p). I think that the more important things to look at when shopping for a tv are contrast ratios (the higher the number the better, i.e. 15,000:1) and refresh rates. Those two things will give you more colors and less pixelation and make your picture better. It has nothing to do with i or p or any other nonsense sales people want you to believe.
1080i is 2 720 p image alternate. the image will be the same on a movie, but on a video game the different is noticeable due to the constant flashing of the screen that's quite annoying in 1080i