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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Halu Sination on December 20, 2007, 04:48:34 PM
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The Loose Cannons radio show is known to be a very reliable source when it comes to trade rumors and other news in the Lakers front office. Well, Laker Legend and Vice President of Basketball operations Magic Johnson claimed that the Lakers are very close to pulling a trade that could put Jason Kidd in purple and gold.
Last year the Nets offered Jason Kidd for young Andrew Bynum and the Lakers turned it down. Many questioned if turning down Bynum for an all-star like Kidd would be worth it. This year Bynum has proven that he could be something big in the league. With that said, we all know a Bynum for Kidd is out of the question--so what could the trade be?
I wondered if Kidd is coming to the Lakers and Bynum will not be part of the deal, Jordan Farmar must be in it, the Nets would want a young promising point guard and Jordan Farmar is it.
Kwame Brown must be in it for the salary cap since his 10 million a year expires this year, and perhaps throw in Luke Walton and a draft pick. A team with Kobe, Kidd, Lamar and Bynum can compete with the top tier teams in this league.
http://sports.hollyscoop.com/lakers/magic-says-%E2%80%9Ckidd-will-be-a-laker%E2%80%9D_180.aspx
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For the sake of the NBA and my Fantasy Team I hope this is not going to happen
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Farmar? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, I don't mind losing Kwame for kidd in the long run, but losing Kwame THIS season would screw us badly in this years play-offs. Bynum is improving, but he can't handle large minutes, and more importantly than that, he doesn't have a good defensive game like Kwame does. if we lose kwame, we're gonna need to trade for another defensive big immediately. we have to capitalize off of kidd's presence as soon as we can.
i'll miss luke walton a lot, he was our most improved player last year. but to be frank, kidd is superior in every way imaginable. And another plus side, we'll get to develop ariza a lot more quickly with walton gone.
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The Loose Cannons radio show is known to be a very reliable source when it comes to trade rumors and other news in the Lakers front office. Well, Laker Legend and Vice President of Basketball operations Magic Johnson claimed that the Lakers are very close to pulling a trade that could put Jason Kidd in purple and gold.
OH, SHIT!! I'M :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :tosser: :o :o :o :o :o
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
kidd>>>farmar...i mean i kno a majority of you are lakers fans, and you got high hopes for farmar, but kidd is hands down the better player...now it says that farmar has to be in the deal, so hes not the only who would go to NJ. who else would be in the deal is the real question here...
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
hmmmm....
halfway decent backup point guard for a future hall of famer...id take Kidd.
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^^^besides, would you trust this guy running the point??
(http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/mib_012TonyShalhoub.jpg)
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Love Kidd, but danm Kinda seems like we are givin up too much for Kidd in this stage of his years.
if it were 2 years agao, then it's on but...
I'd rather just stay the way it its.
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
kidd>>>farmar...i mean i kno a majority of you are lakers fans, and you got high hopes for farmar, but kidd is hands down the better player...now it says that farmar has to be in the deal, so hes not the only who would go to NJ. who else would be in the deal is the real question here...
Kwame, Luke, and possibly a draft choice...which would make it a horrible deal on our part. Not saying Farmar is currently better than Kidd, but he's on his way to being a very sound point guard in the league and has nice chemistry with Bynum. I'd hate to throw away a good chunk of our future for 3 years of Kidd winding down his prime.
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
hmmmm....
halfway decent backup point guard for a future hall of famer...id take Kidd.
It's not like the deal will be straight up...when Farmar hits his prime, Kidd will be retired. Halfway decent? Farmar is already solid as fuck and he's a sophmore.
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
kidd>>>farmar...i mean i kno a majority of you are lakers fans, and you got high hopes for farmar, but kidd is hands down the better player...now it says that farmar has to be in the deal, so hes not the only who would go to NJ. who else would be in the deal is the real question here...
Kwame, Luke, and possibly a draft choice...which would make it a horrible deal on our part. Not saying Farmar is currently better than Kidd, but he's on his way to being a very sound point guard in the league and has nice chemistry with Bynum. I'd hate to throw away a good chunk of our future for 3 years of Kidd winding down his prime.
LOL kwame, luke, a draft pick, AND FARMAR? ok, well thats a bad trade...i wasnt expecting to hear that lol.
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Exactly.
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kidd would have bynum putting up superstar numbers by the end of the year though. look wut kidd did for k-mart. hell, look wut kidd did for sorry ass mikki moore last year lol.
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I'd give Kwame & Vlad in a Heart Beat..
But Not Luke Or Farmar, hell Not even the machine [Shit they are our insurance incase Kobe split's]
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Lakers fans need to decide whether they want to win a Championship in the next year or so... or wait for their roster to fully develop which who knows how long that will take.
Farmar is good. But imagine having Fisher backing up Kidd right now, that would give the Lakers a good push. So, yeah, they might lose Kwame, Luke & Farmar (I think this might be a bit much for Kidd right now) but they might end up with another ring in the next season (if not this season).
Walton, Farmar and a draft pick maybe?
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kobe's not gonna split if they got kidd. the fact that we didnt trade for kidd last season was one of the major factors which triggered kobe's tantrum during the offseason.
and i think we coud afford to lose walton if were getting back kidd. mitch should do everything in his power to keep farmar tho.
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I'd give Kwame & Vlad in a Heart Beat..
But Not Luke Or Farmar, hell Not even the machine [Shit they are our insurance incase Kobe split's]
Exactly. I'd rather this trade didn't go through, but if it has to then don't include Farmar in the deal.
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This is actually the first time in 3 years that I won't be upset if a trade doesn't go down. Farmar hasn't just become a good role player or a good point guard but he's becoming a true floor general. I don't wanna see him go. I mean if Kidd was a few years younger then yeah but not now. Our PG rotation is solid, if anything we should be looking for a defensive PF.
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oh hell no!
fuck this trade!
maybe last year or two years ago , hell yeah. but ..
1. we need a solid big man....getting rid of kwame for POINT GUARD isn't helping that need, we're just going to put too much pressure on bynum's young weird ass and fuck his shit up
2. we DONT" NEED a point guard really.....especially when we have d fish and farmar and javaras in the shadows, kidd's my second favorite pg of all time but he's got a very short shelf life and we'd be hurting ourselves in the playoffs if we got rid of all of that for just him.... kwame/walton/farmar and fisher starting will contribute more overall than kidd by himself will.
3. this seriously fucks up our future....draft picks are very important in the nba , you only have to fill 5 different positions on the court ...it's not like the nfl where you have damn near 30 and you can still land a hall of famer in round 4. every draft pick is important. plus farmar and walton IMO are too valuable to the teams future compared to kidds.......we have a better shot of winning more trophies with those two than with the rest of kidd's career in the long run.
4. also we've got the 4th best record in the western conference....we're not going to advance too significantly past that with kidd. the west is a big body conference.....that's why it's illogical to trade all of those pieces for a point guard....i mean shit look how much allen iverson "improved" the nuggets.lol. if we're going to be shooting for anyone it's gotta be a big body like chandler/dwight howard/boozer/ hell i'd even take zach randolph. SOMEBODY to solidify that center/power position
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yall are forgettin that we COULD still trade for a veteran big who could play defense in kwame's absence. jamaal magloire aint worth shit to NJ anymore. pj brown aint even signed to any teams.
the biggest issue here has been stated already. our primary strength was supposed to be our depth, which also happens to be our young players (aka the future of the lakers). but these are the guys that the other teams are going to want. so how badly do lakers want to win rite now with kobe in his prime? because if we trade for kidd, we better be willing to make some extra moves to get them their championship immediately. cuz if we dont win that ring with kidd then we're pretty fucked.
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1st : Magic didn't say that
2nd : It ain't happening, more media BS
3rd : upgrading the PG postion is not our 1st need , the PF position is a priority
Have a nice day
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
Every single player in our roster has potential, man. You know it. From Sasha to Odom. Obviously i wont be happy to see Farmar go, cause he's playing extremely well this season, he's the most improved player in our team by far till now, and he's showing the potential i didn't think he had last season. Props to him. But Kidd is Kidd, man. Shit. Kidd, Bryant, Walton, Odom & Bynum is a hell of a starting five. Fisher backup PG and Crittenton as the main prospect. I like that. That said, i agree with the homie who said that to trade Kwame Brown will damage us in the short run, cause he's our best defender in the post position, and Bynum needs help.
Shit man. Mitch do it!! Fuck it.
P.S.
WHAT??? LUKE + BROWN + 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICKS PLUS FARMAR?? Hold on. That's too much. >:(
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kidd would have bynum putting up superstar numbers by the end of the year though. look wut kidd did for k-mart. hell, look wut kidd did for sorry ass mikki moore last year lol.
yup... Lakers ain't got the heart to trade for something of value unless it's an incredibly unfair trade, so this won't happen
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Again, Hell nah.
I'd rather Magic Johnson lace them up again! [This one shot at a championship shit, didn't work, remember K Malone, Payton ect]
Again no knock on J Kidd, But The Future look's to good for the Laker youngin's [imo]
don't forget Kobe might still bail on us.
I'm Happy with our PG Situation.
Although I would throw in Crit instead of Farmar & or Luke.
Crit, Vlad And Kwame that's would be alright.. 8)
(haven't had too much time with crit yet, to miss dude)
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Crittenton looks like a real steal in the draft. Mitch can draft.
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The rumors I heard have us including Farmar in the trade...if so, I wont be so excited to see it go down.
Every single player in our roster has potential, man. You know it. From Sasha to Odom.
Potential means shit. Every player in the league has potential. Theres a quote (cant remember which coach its by) that says "potential gets you fired". Its not what the players are capable of, its what they do. Anytime someone is described as having potential it means they are underperforming.
As for this trade, i dunno. The Lakers are not going to win a championship with this current lineup, thats obvious. And even IF some of these players develop into good NBA players, it will be at least 2-3 yrs down the road. Kobe is only going to get older. Kidd would be a more immediate solution, but I dont see them winning a title even with him unless they have more of a presence down low. If I were a Laker fan, i would love to see them go after a veteran big first. Fisher is serviceable at the point, and pretty good defensively. Kobe is Kobe. Odom is up and down, but can be a threat. Their front court just lacks any real experience. What they should do, is work a threeway deal involving a couple of their young players and maybe a draft pick going to NJ, Kidd going somehwere that needs a solid point but could part with a veteran big, and have that big come to LA.
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Good veteran bigs are rarely available. Aside from MAYBE JO, there is no realistic possibility. I predict the Lakers to not make a big trade this season. Depending on how the season ends, Kobe will either get traded or not. If they get bounced in the first round this season, I don't see any chance of Kobe staying. The Lakers have always been about trading a player before he expires in one way or the other.
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Kidd would help the Lakers a lot for a few years but it's not really worth it in the long run
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Good veteran bigs are rarely available. Aside from MAYBE JO, there is no realistic possibility. I predict the Lakers to not make a big trade this season. Depending on how the season ends, Kobe will either get traded or not. If they get bounced in the first round this season, I don't see any chance of Kobe staying. The Lakers have always been about trading a player before he expires in one way or the other.
7 your a good poster but lol @ your sig...
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Good veteran bigs are rarely available. Aside from MAYBE JO, there is no realistic possibility. I predict the Lakers to not make a big trade this season. Depending on how the season ends, Kobe will either get traded or not. If they get bounced in the first round this season, I don't see any chance of Kobe staying. The Lakers have always been about trading a player before he expires in one way or the other.
7 your a good poster but lol @ your sig...
I've had jabs at Kobe in my sigs for months... I won't stop until he a) signs a contract extension or b) gets traded/opts out :D
LeBron is having the better season. Not the better career, not the better skillset, not the better team, not the better record, but definitely the better season.
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Kidd is obviously an upgrade right now and would put the Lakers in a better position to compete for a title this year even if they lose Kwame. Yeah he's a decent low post defender, but his contract is completely insane (where was he on that list of overpaid players and value we had the other day?) and is def replaceable as his offensive skills and his tiny hands are a liability.
But dumping Farmar, I'm not sure about.
The Lakers FO is still trying to appease Kobe. If you're mad at this trade you should be mad at him.
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oh hell no!
fuck this trade!
maybe last year or two years ago , hell yeah. but ..
1. we need a solid big man....getting rid of kwame for POINT GUARD isn't helping that need, we're just going to put too much pressure on bynum's young weird ass and fuck his shit up
2. we DONT" NEED a point guard really.....especially when we have d fish and farmar and javaras in the shadows, kidd's my second favorite pg of all time but he's got a very short shelf life and we'd be hurting ourselves in the playoffs if we got rid of all of that for just him.... kwame/walton/farmar and fisher starting will contribute more overall than kidd by himself will.
3. this seriously fucks up our future....draft picks are very important in the nba , you only have to fill 5 different positions on the court ...it's not like the nfl where you have damn near 30 and you can still land a hall of famer in round 4. every draft pick is important. plus farmar and walton IMO are too valuable to the teams future compared to kidds.......we have a better shot of winning more trophies with those two than with the rest of kidd's career in the long run.
4. also we've got the 4th best record in the western conference....we're not going to advance too significantly past that with kidd. the west is a big body conference.....that's why it's illogical to trade all of those pieces for a point guard....i mean shit look how much allen iverson "improved" the nuggets.lol. if we're going to be shooting for anyone it's gotta be a big body like chandler/dwight howard/boozer/ hell i'd even take zach randolph. SOMEBODY to solidify that center/power position
you dont WANT kidd hes a bum
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oh hell no!
fuck this trade!
maybe last year or two years ago , hell yeah. but ..
1. we need a solid big man....getting rid of kwame for POINT GUARD isn't helping that need, we're just going to put too much pressure on bynum's young weird ass and fuck his shit up
2. we DONT" NEED a point guard really.....especially when we have d fish and farmar and javaras in the shadows, kidd's my second favorite pg of all time but he's got a very short shelf life and we'd be hurting ourselves in the playoffs if we got rid of all of that for just him.... kwame/walton/farmar and fisher starting will contribute more overall than kidd by himself will.
3. this seriously fucks up our future....draft picks are very important in the nba , you only have to fill 5 different positions on the court ...it's not like the nfl where you have damn near 30 and you can still land a hall of famer in round 4. every draft pick is important. plus farmar and walton IMO are too valuable to the teams future compared to kidds.......we have a better shot of winning more trophies with those two than with the rest of kidd's career in the long run.
4. also we've got the 4th best record in the western conference....we're not going to advance too significantly past that with kidd. the west is a big body conference.....that's why it's illogical to trade all of those pieces for a point guard....i mean shit look how much allen iverson "improved" the nuggets.lol. if we're going to be shooting for anyone it's gotta be a big body like chandler/dwight howard/boozer/ hell i'd even take zach randolph. SOMEBODY to solidify that center/power position
you dont WANT kidd hes a bum
LOL
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oh hell no!
fuck this trade!
maybe last year or two years ago , hell yeah. but ..
1. we need a solid big man....getting rid of kwame for POINT GUARD isn't helping that need, we're just going to put too much pressure on bynum's young weird ass and fuck his shit up
2. we DONT" NEED a point guard really.....especially when we have d fish and farmar and javaras in the shadows, kidd's my second favorite pg of all time but he's got a very short shelf life and we'd be hurting ourselves in the playoffs if we got rid of all of that for just him.... kwame/walton/farmar and fisher starting will contribute more overall than kidd by himself will.
3. this seriously fucks up our future....draft picks are very important in the nba , you only have to fill 5 different positions on the court ...it's not like the nfl where you have damn near 30 and you can still land a hall of famer in round 4. every draft pick is important. plus farmar and walton IMO are too valuable to the teams future compared to kidds.......we have a better shot of winning more trophies with those two than with the rest of kidd's career in the long run.
4. also we've got the 4th best record in the western conference....we're not going to advance too significantly past that with kidd. the west is a big body conference.....that's why it's illogical to trade all of those pieces for a point guard....i mean shit look how much allen iverson "improved" the nuggets.lol. if we're going to be shooting for anyone it's gotta be a big body like chandler/dwight howard/boozer/ hell i'd even take zach randolph. SOMEBODY to solidify that center/power position
you dont WANT kidd hes a bum
LOL
in his prime kidd was the best pg ever, but hes a shell of himself now and is a whiney wife beating baby
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oh hell no!
fuck this trade!
maybe last year or two years ago , hell yeah. but ..
1. we need a solid big man....getting rid of kwame for POINT GUARD isn't helping that need, we're just going to put too much pressure on bynum's young weird ass and fuck his shit up
2. we DONT" NEED a point guard really.....especially when we have d fish and farmar and javaras in the shadows, kidd's my second favorite pg of all time but he's got a very short shelf life and we'd be hurting ourselves in the playoffs if we got rid of all of that for just him.... kwame/walton/farmar and fisher starting will contribute more overall than kidd by himself will.
3. this seriously fucks up our future....draft picks are very important in the nba , you only have to fill 5 different positions on the court ...it's not like the nfl where you have damn near 30 and you can still land a hall of famer in round 4. every draft pick is important. plus farmar and walton IMO are too valuable to the teams future compared to kidds.......we have a better shot of winning more trophies with those two than with the rest of kidd's career in the long run.
4. also we've got the 4th best record in the western conference....we're not going to advance too significantly past that with kidd. the west is a big body conference.....that's why it's illogical to trade all of those pieces for a point guard....i mean shit look how much allen iverson "improved" the nuggets.lol. if we're going to be shooting for anyone it's gotta be a big body like chandler/dwight howard/boozer/ hell i'd even take zach randolph. SOMEBODY to solidify that center/power position
you dont WANT kidd hes a bum
LOL
in his prime kidd was the best pg ever, but hes a shell of himself now and is a whiney wife beating baby
Jason Kidd's 2007-08 Statistics: PPG: 11.3; RPG: 8.80; APG: 10.3; SPG: 1.8
Are there any other shell of himselves out there that we can get who put it down like that? Matter of fact....can we find a superstar puttin it down like that?
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i can't see farmar ever being more than a really good 3 point shooter, with his good MOMENTS playing the point. Kwame is whatever. Nice defensive option i guess. Walton is a nice role player. ANY deal the nets ask for that doesn't include kobe, bynum or odom, i'd pull the trigger on it.
Not only would it improve the lakers RIGHT NOW, but keep kobe 100% happy.
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Good veteran bigs are rarely available. Aside from MAYBE JO, there is no realistic possibility. I predict the Lakers to not make a big trade this season. Depending on how the season ends, Kobe will either get traded or not. If they get bounced in the first round this season, I don't see any chance of Kobe staying. The Lakers have always been about trading a player before he expires in one way or the other.
7 your a good poster but lol @ your sig...
I've had jabs at Kobe in my sigs for months... I won't stop until he a) signs a contract extension or b) gets traded/opts out :D
LeBron is having the better season. Not the better career, not the better skillset, not the better team, not the better record, but definitely the better season.
Maybe numbers-wise. Kobe>>>>>All. Any day.
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Kidd is obviously an upgrade right now and would put the Lakers in a better position to compete for a title this year even if they lose Kwame. Yeah he's a decent low post defender, but his contract is completely insane (where was he on that list of overpaid players and value we had the other day?) and is def replaceable as his offensive skills and his tiny hands are a liability.
But dumping Farmar, I'm not sure about.
The Lakers FO is still trying to appease Kobe. If you're mad at this trade you should be mad at him.
Kwame isn't making THAT much for a primary big. Centers are typically the highest paid role players.
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i can't see farmar ever being more than a really good 3 point shooter
LOL.
"Farmar, with the steal...Slaaaaam dunk, Lakers win!"
This is only the beginning.
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oh hell no!
fuck this trade!
maybe last year or two years ago , hell yeah. but ..
1. we need a solid big man....getting rid of kwame for POINT GUARD isn't helping that need, we're just going to put too much pressure on bynum's young weird ass and fuck his shit up
2. we DONT" NEED a point guard really.....especially when we have d fish and farmar and javaras in the shadows, kidd's my second favorite pg of all time but he's got a very short shelf life and we'd be hurting ourselves in the playoffs if we got rid of all of that for just him.... kwame/walton/farmar and fisher starting will contribute more overall than kidd by himself will.
3. this seriously fucks up our future....draft picks are very important in the nba , you only have to fill 5 different positions on the court ...it's not like the nfl where you have damn near 30 and you can still land a hall of famer in round 4. every draft pick is important. plus farmar and walton IMO are too valuable to the teams future compared to kidds.......we have a better shot of winning more trophies with those two than with the rest of kidd's career in the long run.
4. also we've got the 4th best record in the western conference....we're not going to advance too significantly past that with kidd. the west is a big body conference.....that's why it's illogical to trade all of those pieces for a point guard....i mean shit look how much allen iverson "improved" the nuggets.lol. if we're going to be shooting for anyone it's gotta be a big body like chandler/dwight howard/boozer/ hell i'd even take zach randolph. SOMEBODY to solidify that center/power position
you dont WANT kidd hes a bum
LOL
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i can't see farmar ever being more than a really good 3 point shooter, with his good MOMENTS playing the point. Kwame is whatever. Nice defensive option i guess. Walton is a nice role player. ANY deal the nets ask for that doesn't include kobe, bynum or odom, i'd pull the trigger on it.
Not only would it improve the lakers RIGHT NOW, but keep kobe 100% happy.
nah, farmar is much more valuable on the playmaking end then he'll ever be as a 3 point shooter lol.
ur rite about the kobe thing tho. if the lakers got kidd and somehow still lost in the first round (which i doubt would happen), i think kobe would still stay no matter wut. unless kidd gets into some career ending freak accident.
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oh hell no!
fuck this trade!
maybe last year or two years ago , hell yeah. but ..
1. we need a solid big man....getting rid of kwame for POINT GUARD isn't helping that need, we're just going to put too much pressure on bynum's young weird ass and fuck his shit up
2. we DONT" NEED a point guard really.....especially when we have d fish and farmar and javaras in the shadows, kidd's my second favorite pg of all time but he's got a very short shelf life and we'd be hurting ourselves in the playoffs if we got rid of all of that for just him.... kwame/walton/farmar and fisher starting will contribute more overall than kidd by himself will.
3. this seriously fucks up our future....draft picks are very important in the nba , you only have to fill 5 different positions on the court ...it's not like the nfl where you have damn near 30 and you can still land a hall of famer in round 4. every draft pick is important. plus farmar and walton IMO are too valuable to the teams future compared to kidds.......we have a better shot of winning more trophies with those two than with the rest of kidd's career in the long run.
4. also we've got the 4th best record in the western conference....we're not going to advance too significantly past that with kidd. the west is a big body conference.....that's why it's illogical to trade all of those pieces for a point guard....i mean shit look how much allen iverson "improved" the nuggets.lol. if we're going to be shooting for anyone it's gotta be a big body like chandler/dwight howard/boozer/ hell i'd even take zach randolph. SOMEBODY to solidify that center/power position
you dont WANT kidd hes a bum
LOL
in his prime kidd was the best pg ever, but hes a shell of himself now and is a whiney wife beating baby
Jason Kidd's 2007-08 Statistics: PPG: 11.3; RPG: 8.80; APG: 10.3; SPG: 1.8
Are there any other shell of himselves out there that we can get who put it down like that? Matter of fact....can we find a superstar puttin it down like that?
Kidd is 34 years old man, if you really think he's going to help the Lakers then whatever
but im just telling you if they trade for him they'll regret it in 2 years