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NEW YORK (AP) -- From the jawing with Spike Lee and Chris Rock to the postgame news conference with his daughters on his lap, Kobe Bryant enjoyed every minute of his return to Madison Square Garden.
Making history made it even better.
Bryant scored 39 points, becoming the youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000, and the Los Angeles Lakers held off the New York Knicks 95-90 Sunday.
Bryant added 11 rebounds and eight assists in his first game at the Garden in nearly two years. His 3-pointer in the opening minute of the third quarter allowed him to reach the milestone at 29 years, 122 days.
"I always like playing here, period," Bryant said. "Last year I didn't have an opportunity to play and I was upset about it. This is my favorite arena to play in so I'm just happy and relieved that I was able to play tonight."
Before Bryant, who was suspended last year when the Lakers came to New York, only Wilt Chamberlain (29 years, 134 days) and Michael Jordan (29, 326) had gotten there before turning 30.
Bryant's last basket came in the final minute after the Knicks had trimmed a 25-point deficit to one. The victory capped a 3-1 road trip for the Lakers, who headed home to host Phoenix on Tuesday.
Jamal Crawford scored 31 points for the Knicks, who were again without Stephon Marbury and have lost two straight and eight of 10. David Lee had 12 points and 13 rebounds, and Nate Robinson scored 16 points.
After the Knicks fell too far behind to make a comeback likely for the second time in three days, coach Isiah Thomas said there would be lineup changes when the Knicks play their next game, against Orlando on Wednesday.
"We probably have the wrong guys starting and we'll look to change our lineup and try to get some more energy and defensive guys in the lineup," Thomas said.
Thomas didn't say where the changes would come from, but a splitting of the Eddy Curry-Zach Randolph tandem seems possible. Both played just 21 minutes, with Curry managing only eight points and one rebound.
Garden Party
Like great players before him, Kobe Bryant has starred in the NBA's most famous arena. The Lakers star has shined in his recent appearances at Madision Square Garden, including Sunday's 39-point effort.
Stats First 5 games Last 5 games
PPG 19.8 34.2
FG pct 40.5 52.0
"I don't think anybody will take it personal," Curry said. "I think that we all know that he just wants to win. So you just take it for what it is."
At 8-19, nobody on the Knicks would argue with Thomas for thinking it was time to change.
"One through 12, it's no one in particular because throughout the first 30 games, whatever many we've played, it's been everybody," reserve Malik Rose said. "We just have to be able to lay everything we have on our shirts on that line."
Despite a sometimes sloppy effort that included no assists in the second quarter, the Knicks were spared the usual wrath of their fans, who instead seemed content to cheer Bryant and Andrew Bynum, a New Jersey product.
In fact, fans cheered when Bryant had to get off the bench to return to the game early in the fourth quarter after the Knicks closed within single digits. Sasha Vujacic then made a 3-pointer and Jordan Farmar knocked down a jumper, seemingly putting Los Angeles back in control at 80-68 with 9:45 to play.
"We did our normal thing. We asked the Lord's prayer after a Sunday ballgame," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said. "Forgive us our sins and trespasses. We had some trespasses, there's no doubt about it."
But Crawford scored nine straight points for New York, and two free throws by Lee cut the Lakers' lead to 91-90 with 1:55 remaining. Crawford later missed with a chance to give New York what would have been its first lead, and Bryant's soft jumper fell in with 57 seconds left.
The Knicks had a final chance, but Farmar stole Lee's tipped inbounds pass and went in for a clinching dunk.
Bynum had 13 points for the Lakers, playing without starting forward Luke Walton (sprained right ankle).
Bryant was back at MSG for the first time since Jan. 31, 2006. He was hit with a one-game penalty by the NBA before the Lakers' game here last year for striking San Antonio's Manu Ginobili in the face in the previous contest.
Bryant scored 12 points in the first quarter, helping the Lakers open a 31-21 lead, then became more of a playmaker in the second. He had five assists in the period, the last coming on former Knicks forward Trevor Ariza's 3-pointer at the buzzer that made it 55-37.
Along with their no assists, the Knicks had seven turnovers in the period, drawing boos when Quentin Richardson threw the ball over the head of a wide-open Crawford on what should have been an easy breakaway.
The Lakers' lead grew to 25 in the third quarter, but the Knicks were within 75-61 headed to the fourth.
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LeBron will break his record soon enough. :P
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Cheers K.B. :cheers:
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good for him 8)
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maaan
KObe is so good, Kobe is the greatest, seriously i think he's better Jordan i mean youngest to 20,000 i mean common.
So what he's only made the playoffs once and got bounced in the first round since Shaq left.
Kobe is so good man, fuck he's cute too ohh man.
There NIk i saved you the trouble.
hahahhahahahahahah
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congrats to kobe
watch lebron get it by 28
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maaan
KObe is so good, Kobe is the greatest, seriously i think he's better Jordan i mean youngest to 20,000 i mean common.
So what he's only made the playoffs once and got bounced in the first round since Shaq left.
Kobe is so good man, fuck he's cute too ohh man.
There NIk i saved you the trouble.
hahahhahahahahahah
You're a moron.
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Phil Jackson also surpasses Red Aurebach in wins with this game. 8)
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Phil Jackson also surpasses Red Aurebach in wins with this game. 8)
congrats to philly blunt.
9 rings in 2 stops, amazin
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maaan
KObe is so good, Kobe is the greatest, seriously i think he's better Jordan i mean youngest to 20,000 i mean common.
So what he's only made the playoffs once and got bounced in the first round since Shaq left.
Kobe is so good man, fuck he's cute too ohh man.
There NIk i saved you the trouble.
hahahhahahahahahah
You're a moron.
Im joking around relax G
Merry xmas man
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Coming into the league at 18 helped Kobe out a lot. Wilt got to 20,000 in about 5 or 6 years... it took Kobe 11? If Wilt was younger when he came into the league, Kobe wouldn't have come close... Oh well. Props to Kobe.
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Coming into the league at 18 helped Kobe out a lot. Wilt got to 20,000 in about 5 or 6 years... it took Kobe 11? If Wilt was younger when he came into the league, Kobe wouldn't have come close... Oh well. Props to Kobe.
yeah wasnt Wilt a Globetrotter before the NBA?
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maaan
KObe is so good, Kobe is the greatest, seriously i think he's better Jordan i mean youngest to 20,000 i mean common.
So what he's only made the playoffs once and got bounced in the first round since Shaq left.
Kobe is so good man, fuck he's cute too ohh man.
There NIk i saved you the trouble.
hahahhahahahahahah
You're a moron.
Im joking around relax G
Merry xmas man
My bad, then...Kobe>Jordan. ;D
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Coming into the league at 18 helped Kobe out a lot. Wilt got to 20,000 in about 5 or 6 years... it took Kobe 11? If Wilt was younger when he came into the league, Kobe wouldn't have come close... Oh well. Props to Kobe.
Wilt averaged 37.6 points in his rookie season....Kobe averaged 7.6.
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Shit Lebron is already at 9,000+. As long as he stays healthy, he can do it in the next 3 or 4 years. He'll be 27/28. And at that point, nobody is beating that number.
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congrats to Kobe on the 20K in points and being the youngest player to reach the mark so far.
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Shit Lebron is already at 9,000+. As long as he stays healthy, he can do it in the next 3 or 4 years. He'll be 27/28. And at that point, nobody is beating that number.
lebron been going hard since he came in though and never had to share the team with anybody. If Kobe had a team like the cleveland since he came into the league he probaly would have did it long ago.
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Shit Lebron is already at 9,000+. As long as he stays healthy, he can do it in the next 3 or 4 years. He'll be 27/28. And at that point, nobody is beating that number.
lebron been going hard since he came in though and never had to share the team with anybody. If Kobe had a team like the cleveland since he came into the league he probaly would have did it long ago.
so what are you saying?
are you trying to take away from Lebron's scoring prowess?
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Na Lebron is sick, I'm just saying if he had a guy like shaq on his team for most of his career he probaly wouldn't kill off Kobes youngest to get 20,000 like he is going to.
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Using "What If's" are never a good way of pleading a case. What if Kobe was the leader of the Lakers and there was no Shaq? What if Kobe didn't do a great job as a leader? What if's...
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Congrats .. anyways these stats don't mean shit imo .. it all depends on what situation the player arrived in the league .. I mean Jordan, Lebron, AI , Wilt had the "green light" to score a shiltload of points the 1st year they played ... Kobe was just a promising young talent behind a superstar (Shaq) and 2 all stars
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Congrats .. anyways these stats don't mean shit imo .. it all depends on what situation the player arrived in the league .. I mean Jordan, Lebron, AI , Wilt had the "green light" to score a shiltload of points the 1st year they played ... Kobe was just a promising young talent behind a superstar (Shaq) and 2 all stars
so is it a meaningless stat or are you trying to say Kobe achieved something despite not starting that first year? lol it cant be both ways.
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Na Lebron is sick, I'm just saying if he had a guy like shaq on his team for most of his career he probaly wouldn't kill off Kobes youngest to get 20,000 like he is going to.
Real talk. Which makes his accomplishment even more amazing. And like NIK said, Kobe averaged 7 points a game in his rookie season. Had he got drafted by a weak team that pretty much said 'here's the ball go out there and have fun' then who know what he might've done already.
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Using "What If's" are never a good way of pleading a case. What if Kobe was the leader of the Lakers and there was no Shaq? What if Kobe didn't do a great job as a leader? What if's...
You just argued in this thread that if Wilt was in the leauge eralier Kobe wouldn't have broken his record. Now when people say the same thing for LeBron you say it's never a good way of pleading a case? Get the fuck outta here.
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having shaq and two all stars on the team eventually helped kobe for the better, the defense would focus more on Shaq and allowed kobe more opportunity for a mismatch or a 1 on 1 with a defender making it easier to score or gettin more open looks at the basket. Jordan and Lebron scored with no help at all, no big center in the middle, and being double teamed most of the time. if lebron passes kobe it'll be more impressive than kobe doing it in 11 seasons but really doesn't matter to me this stat is pointless.
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Amazing, greatest offensive player ever
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having shaq and two all stars on the team eventually helped kobe for the better, the defense would focus more on Shaq and allowed kobe more opportunity for a mismatch or a 1 on 1 with a defender making it easier to score or gettin more open looks at the basket. Jordan and Lebron scored with no help at all, no big center in the middle, and being double teamed most of the time. if lebron passes kobe it'll be more impressive than kobe doing it in 11 seasons but really doesn't matter to me this stat is pointless.
Yeah right , Kobe had his best two scoring season without a single help ::)
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LeBron will break his record soon enough. :P
word
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having shaq and two all stars on the team eventually helped kobe for the better, the defense would focus more on Shaq and allowed kobe more opportunity for a mismatch or a 1 on 1 with a defender making it easier to score or gettin more open looks at the basket. Jordan and Lebron scored with no help at all, no big center in the middle, and being double teamed most of the time. if lebron passes kobe it'll be more impressive than kobe doing it in 11 seasons but really doesn't matter to me this stat is pointless.
Yeah right , Kobe had his best two scoring season without a single help ::)
which makes him sound like a ball hog
the point of basketball is WINNING, not scoring.
now that Kobe isn't scoring 50 points a game the Lakers are ironically winning again. go figure.
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having shaq and two all stars on the team eventually helped kobe for the better, the defense would focus more on Shaq and allowed kobe more opportunity for a mismatch or a 1 on 1 with a defender making it easier to score or gettin more open looks at the basket. Jordan and Lebron scored with no help at all, no big center in the middle, and being double teamed most of the time. if lebron passes kobe it'll be more impressive than kobe doing it in 11 seasons but really doesn't matter to me this stat is pointless.
Yeah right , Kobe had his best two scoring season without a single help ::)
You just sonned his whole paragraph with a few words.
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having shaq and two all stars on the team eventually helped kobe for the better, the defense would focus more on Shaq and allowed kobe more opportunity for a mismatch or a 1 on 1 with a defender making it easier to score or gettin more open looks at the basket. Jordan and Lebron scored with no help at all, no big center in the middle, and being double teamed most of the time. if lebron passes kobe it'll be more impressive than kobe doing it in 11 seasons but really doesn't matter to me this stat is pointless.
Yeah right , Kobe had his best two scoring season without a single help ::)
which makes him sound like a ball hog
the point of basketball is WINNING, not scoring.
now that Kobe isn't scoring 50 points a game the Lakers are ironically winning again. go figure.
More like, now that Kobe has some help he doesn't need 50 points a game for the Lakers to have a chance...Go figure. :-*
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Using "What If's" are never a good way of pleading a case. What if Kobe was the leader of the Lakers and there was no Shaq? What if Kobe didn't do a great job as a leader? What if's...
You just argued in this thread that if Wilt was in the leauge eralier Kobe wouldn't have broken his record. Now when people say the same thing for LeBron you say it's never a good way of pleading a case? Get the fuck outta here.
LMAO...SGV exposed.
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You just argued in this thread that if Wilt was in the leauge eralier Kobe wouldn't have broken his record. Now when people say the same thing for LeBron you say it's never a good way of pleading a case? Get the fuck outta here.
Uh... I was including myself in that statement. Using what ifs are not a good way of pleading your case. I don't think I single anyone out. Moreover it was a blanket statement, under which I fall...
A better explanation would be, it took Wilt 5 or 6 years to do what took Kobe 11. And, at the rate LeBron is playing, he'll be hitting the mark before Kobe did, as well.