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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Don Jacob on June 20, 2001, 03:17:35 PM
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before i let loose it has nothing to do with anyone on this board or this board in general....it involves another board actually......
ok at sohh.com theres a pretty tight board there were they basically discuss eastcoast music , so it's no suprise there are going to be eastcoast dick gobblers, but there are some cool peeps in there who mention other parts of rap including westcoast and one of the topics were "Dr. Dre VS Peterock"
i expected peterock to win for the simple fact he's east coast and hear typical posts like dre's great and has done so much for hip hop but i just prefer peterock more" ya know? but it was nothing like it was a bunch of stuff like
"Dr. Dre is just a second rate producer who can't produce a solid album"
"Dre isn't shit, the only album he ever made that was tolerable was chronic and that was ok i'd rather listen to ja rule"
"dr. dre ain't shit without mel man"
"dr. dre is a fucking fag and can't do anything but sit in his chair jacking off while other producers do his work while he slaps his name on the song"
"dr. dre is just a name dr. dre only sales becuase of his name not becuase he's any good"
and the one that really got me was
"Peterock is the best ever next to Primo but dr. dre is always selling a million records so you know he sux, bigjake just becuase dr. dre is comercially succesful that automatically makes him invert and can't be considered great like the rest"
or somthing to that affect but that's bullshit in it's purity i have lost ALOT of respect for eastcoast heads i mean i've been posting there for a while now and i've noticed that they will tear down anything or anyone who's not from queens brooklyn bronx or anything not eastern, now there are a couple of dudes in there who are mature in the rap game and give props to all coasts but alot of them are still coast trippin', all i can say is i'm pissed, and theres no way peterock or dj premier or rza are better than dre who's revolutionized the rap game more than anyone and has been more influencial than any producer in all of music
i ain't tryin' to start no board wars like the whole ruff ryder/deathrow boards issues but this is straight bullshit narrow minded people like that need to get raped by deebo from friday, i mean damn they have no ligitimate reason to hate dre
1. he did nothing to them personally
2. most of them admit to not listening to alot of dre's music
3. he never dissed one of their "beloved ""REAL"" MC's"
it's like damn it just adds up to the simple fact he's not from new york and he's commercially succesful
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yeh i know what u mean..i'm on y2hiphop.com and their all LEAST COAST cock cruisers too...they think GZA is the best MC ever...they give no respect to Cube and Pac...they have a Albums GOAT Poll on and they voted off Cube's masterpiece Amerikkka's Most Wanted off first before GZA's liquid swords, Gangstarr's moment of truth and even crap like Jigga's debut LOL! its good but not a CLASSIC like Cube's...fuck i hate LEAST COAST wanna-be's!
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fuck them other forums - this is where its at ;D
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THATS FUCKIN TRUE 8)
THIS IS THE ONLY FORUM I COME IN TO, ALL THE OTHERS ARE SHIT :P
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yea do what i did....make a post saying 36 chambers ain't all that or somink i lost the email givin its url so i can't bring it back up, but they didn't like it.
the thing is i don't think its a very good album and no where near classic....but that is just me cos i know every single other hiphop head seems to worship this album but the only classic song on the album is C.R.E.A.M. meth always somes tight so i light his shit on there but i'm not really into the rest of them although i can like ghostface at times....but the real reason i don't really think its all that is because i don't think rza's production is all that...i just don't like his sound.
n e ways i don't care if some of y'all hate on me 4 that as its just my opinion n thats all u should take it as
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This is where all the real ones gather up ;D
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whoah do we all have another forum? jake got sohh (prejudice against west coast rap production), wcveteran got y2hiphop(prejudice against west coast mc's) and i got bizkitboard.com (prejudice against rap period) it seems like we all have an inner need to regulate the less fortunate,some people just don't learn,i mean i cna drop an incredibly inteligent post defending rap and they will do sme shit like
"yoyoyoyoyyo i'm tanjint,don't call me a whigga,g!" and stupid shit like that fuckin retards...hey jake and west coast vet,let's seriously help eachother w/regulatin, westcoastvet,you got AIM? if so me you and jake get ina buddy chat and we figure out how we gone help eachother with these dumbass forums,yay or nay? just an idea.peace-Tanjint
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by the way, i LOVE 36 chambers that album is one of the best in the east but hey i respect your opinion homey. peace-Tanjint
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easiest answer dont invest yourselves in that wackness - read a good thread there?
post it over here
shit happens all the time between boards - bring the good shit here
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yea i'm always on here but i accsasionally go ova 2 dpgc2g/westcoast2k's n sohh.com
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oh i wanna say that we might love west coast music to death but we're more matur than any other board on the net....cuz we respect the east south midwest and especially the west, we only hate on pop rap which isn't a bad thing, big up to this forum
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i hate to say it, as much as i luv this board, but this board is not "where all the real ones" come to....THis board is great and all.....FOR Westcoast music, those dudes at wodie like eastcoast music, but they are light years ahead of us in knowledge of rap and underground rap expessially...I have just recently got into eastcoast rap in the past year, but i still love westcoast, but they are doin much more on the east, that you never heara bout.....i was pleased someone mentioned deltron3030 as one of there favorite albums of 2000....cause most of you guys list no matter what the subject always comes up like:
1. Snoop dogg
2. dr dre
3. 2pac
4. kurupt
5. dogg pound
OPEN up your eyes, there are better emcees than you guys know about from the west even....but the eastcoast is soooooo solid...im not dissin this forum or anything, just sayin
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yeah but when you put another producer above dre without a good reason then you cross the line
i'm aware of the talent on the east coast, i listen to ALL of hip hop not just the west
my point was they're dissin' and puttin producers above dre and that's like someone putting someone above michael jordan in basketball, it should be considered a sin,lol
see my point is you can not like dre but respect what he has done ok, michael jordan never was my favorite player magic johnson and shaquille o'neal always have been but i respect jordan as the best
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i hate to say it, as much as i luv this board, but this board is not "where all the real ones" come to....THis board is great and all.....FOR Westcoast music, those dudes at wodie like eastcoast music, but they are light years ahead of us in knowledge of rap and underground rap expessially...I have just recently got into eastcoast rap in the past year, but i still love westcoast, but they are doin much more on the east, that you never heara bout.....i was pleased someone mentioned deltron3030 as one of there favorite albums of 2000....cause most of you guys list no matter what the subject always comes up like:
1. Snoop dogg
2. dr dre
3. 2pac
4. kurupt
5. dogg pound
OPEN up your eyes, there are better emcees than you guys know about from the west even....but the eastcoast is soooooo solid...im not dissin this forum or anything, just sayin
yo G i listened to old skool east coast rap first...but i live on the WEST so imma like it better..
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I understand what so_much_style is saying, thing is this shit is very international - some people here have enough difficulty getting something like kurupts streetz - let alone anything else.
BIGjakeDOGGYdogg > I guarantee these same fools will be all over Dre's nutz when Rakim drops - either that or they'll snub Rakim as a sellout.
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they didn't even believe me when i told them that he was on aftermath, they think he's signed to def jam for some reason
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denial
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Eastcoast to me is good and all, but they really don't bring "life" in their music like the cats out west... NAS is the cat that I admire from the East, but as for everyone else, they are just lyricist... and that's not what rap is about...
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yeah i was thinkin that but i never put it down (been fightin in irc again...) some east coast stuff i plain dont like.. like DMX and Ruff Ryders, i just dont 'get it' u know?
Nas's first is a gem, biggies 2 are both dope.. the second is more musical and has (for me) better beats, gang starr always come tight.. but its a bit samey in places. wu-tang i like the first two.. 36 chambers isn't the kind of shit i'd bump anymore, but its a good album , stuff like 'can it all be so simple' is dopeness.. ghostfaces album was good..
the problem with the east is, that anyone who comes from there is that they seem to become a legend automatically after their time has gone
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cause most of you guys list no matter what the subject always comes up like:
1. Snoop dogg
2. dr dre
3. 2pac
4. kurupt
5. dogg pound
OPEN up your eyes, there are better emcees than you guys know about from the west even....but the eastcoast is soooooo solid...im not dissin this forum or anything, just sayin
Im feelin that bro, well said.
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cause most of you guys list no matter what the subject always comes up like:
1. Snoop dogg
2. dr dre
3. 2pac
4. kurupt
5. dogg pound
OPEN up your eyes, there are better emcees than you guys know about from the west even....but the eastcoast is soooooo solid...im not dissin this forum or anything, just sayin
yeh but when u head to those eastcoast sites its all
Biggie
Nas
Wu-Tang
Jigga
Talib Kweli
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Shit, but I gotta say, this place has a definite West Coast bias...Ya can't say this the realest.
Lots of cats out east talk real, you just don't get to hear them...Shit, guys, PAC was East Coast born and raised.
Nas, Mobb Deep, Biggie, Sticky Fingaz/Fredro Starr(solo), etc...They east coasters, and they just as real as Cube and all...
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LET'S ALL HEAD OVER THERE AND START SOME MUTHAFUCKIN WWW-WAR(WW3) ;D
Naw, just kiddin. the Rapgame is attractive to alot of people, some like lyrics better, some like beats and atmosphere better.
Both coasts have their history and traditions in the rapgame. It's up to you to choose which one suits you best.
As for me: I like the feel-good, gangsta-lyrics, upbeat style of westcoast more than the clever lyrics-oriented hiphop on the eastcoast.
Westcoast offers me a bigger dimension to look at with a long exciting history. From Eazy,Quick,Dre, snoop, 2PAC to eminem. They all were involved in something worth mentioning.
-Dre's beef with eazy, snoops involment
-the rise and fall of the most succesfull label in the rapgame
-Dre's work writing history with each album he releases(from NWA to 2001)
-2PACs beef with eastcoast MC's
-2PACs death
-the place where the most famous rapper came from: Snoop(he's the most well-known rapper, maybe 2PAC is more known now)
-The atmosphere surrounding suge everywhere he go's
This and alot of happy and sad happenings give me a reason to choose Westcoast-rap as MY favourite. It suits my state of mind best. Still, this doesn't give me the right to diss the other coast, live and let live.
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bigjake dogg.....you dont have anything to do with those sohh invasion on wodie do you???
but anyway....canibus is the dopest....his 2nd lp was sooooo dope....great shit to listen to him spit multi rhyming bars....i luv it, and i think nas first 2 albums are classics (it was written has some nice shit), i am... fell off a bit but is still real dope and nastrodamus only has like 3 good songs, but not alot of horrible songs
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naw i had nothing to do with those i dissed the dudes doing that they called me a bitch for not being like them
anyways though i want it to be clear that i love ALL rap music east/west/south/midwest
my whole point was that they're being ignorant as a person saying that allen iverson is better than michael jordan
both good at what they do but jordan is the best ever and can't be fucked with like him or not (i didn't like him but i recognize his greatness)
but they don't wanna recognize i'd be cool with that but they BULIGERANTLY Diss dre for no real reason other than he's not eastcoast i mean we may not all feel dj priemier or rza but we give them their dues
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Who cares what they said. We all know they got Dre's albums anyways.
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And Snoop albums, and Em albums. Shit, half them just denying the fact they commercialized rap dickriders. =)
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Who cares what they said. We all know they got Dre's albums anyways.
LOL! word. when the WEST was on top u know they were on Snoop's And Dre's coat tails...
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the only 2 good forums i`ve found is this one and dpgc-2g.com... but what forum really pisses me off is the one at deathrow's site..damn there saying shit at the people that really helped dr become big..snoop had a part in suge getting 2pac out of jail..so think of dr with no snoop and dre...there also would never have been kurupt,daz,or 2pac...snoop and dre are bitches for leaving tha row? well 2pac stayed and got killed, suge stayed and got locked up...so if u think snoop and dre made the wrong moves get off suge's dick and think this over again
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BIGjake. don't trip on what them fools say. anybody who knows music knows that dre is the best rap producer ever and one of the all time great in music history. anyone who disagrees knows nothin about music, or their jeolous, ignorant or stupid or are blantantly biased. just like anyone who is stupid enough to say that jordan is not the greatest athlete of all time. they're all just people pissed off about their life and are always dissin or mad about something. dre's a easy target cause he's on top. when your number one everyones out to get ya. and believe me dre dont give a shit about those cats. he laughs at them. to him it confirms he's one of the best. so like i said don't worry bout their musically challenged comments. dont feel sorry for dre. those people on that board are pissed at life while dre's clockin in a net worth of 9 figures and livin a life they can only dream about. i dont read any other boards cause i dont have time, i dont care and i got much more important things to worry about. people like me and dre are busy livin life and working hard while people like those that board are worrying about other people and too busy being jealous and hating everyonme else that they forget their life is slipping away and their wasting precious time they could be using to make something of themselves. peace.
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i know im gonna get slated for saying this but surely y'all gotta recognise that pete rock is in the same bracket as dr dre.
they are both production geniuses and the only other 2 people that rank alongside them in hip hop are primo and rza in my opinion.
i respect everyones opinion but it baffels me how anyone can listen to 36 chambers and say that aint a masterpiece (oth lyrically and beat wise)
pete rock is a trend setter in hip hop just like dre, they both have inspired a generation of people, if it wasnt for dre you wouldnt have bass heavy dope ass westcoast newcomers like fred wreck and battlecat and if it wasnt for pete rock you wouldnt have those obscure melodies and heart stopping vocal samples that east coast producers like ski and the alchemist give us. dre and pete are both legends in their own right but of course the east coast heads are gonna feel pete rock more....we grew up on that shit just like y'all grew up on some g funk.
im just sayin dont hate cos you cant relate (and before you say it i KNOW thats erxactly what them sohh heads are doin but you dont need to bring yourself to that level) im an east coast head but i got mad love for westcoast music and i feel like if other east coast heads cant recognise the wealth of talent on the wesrt then thats their loss.
same goes for y'all.....dont hate on it just cos its east coast (i know mosta y'all aint like that but we got some ignorant peeps who are still on some 2pac shit)
anyway, peace.
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word. Pete Rock is the shit. "T.R.O.Y" has gotta be one of the best songs ever. too bad him and CL broke up.
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i hate to say it, as much as i luv this board, but this board is not "where all the real ones" come to....THis board is great and all.....FOR Westcoast music, those dudes at wodie like eastcoast music, but they are light years ahead of us in knowledge of rap and underground rap expessially...I have just recently got into eastcoast rap in the past year, but i still love westcoast, but they are doin much more on the east, that you never heara bout.....i was pleased someone mentioned deltron3030 as one of there favorite albums of 2000....cause most of you guys list no matter what the subject always comes up like:
1. Snoop dogg
2. dr dre
3. 2pac
4. kurupt
5. dogg pound
OPEN up your eyes, there are better emcees than you guys know about from the west even....but the eastcoast is soooooo solid...im not dissin this forum or anything, just sayin
good post, but man the west coast underground is way deep too, theres so many cats making great music but just cuz they dont go platinum or they dont have dre on their shit a lot of people sleep on it. even on this board, a WEST COAST board, all i see is dre, snoop, dpg, eminem (???), there is so much more out there.
its fucked up when even west coast fans dont recognize 80% of west coast artists
as for the east, i aint hating, if they make good music then its good music. personally i dont feel it as much but i still respect it.
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I'm a big eastcoast head and I recognize both coast. Dre is one of the best producers in the game. (the only 3 that come close are rza, premier, and pete rock) I don't know if anyone said it already but SOME of the westcoast fans are just as biased as the eastcoast.
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Y2hiphop.com is a great place. I don't see anything wrong with it. You have to to respect there opinions. It's unstandable that people voted off Ice Cube's Amerikas most wanted before Gza's liquid Swords. Liquid Swords was a classic album and if you had they had to choose between a eastcoast classic and westcoast classic. What would they pick. All of the albums they kept on were pretty good. Reasonable doubt was and Liquid Swords are classics though.
Whoever said 36 chambers wasn't classic should probably listen to it again. Thats one of the best rap albums ever and if you can't appreciate that then I don't know what to say to you man.
"my point was they're dissin' and puttin producers above dre and that's like someone putting someone above michael jordan in basketball, it should be considered a sin,lol"- BIGJAKEDOGG
I love dre's music and everything but people have there own opinions ya know. Michael Jordan could single handedly win a game if he wanted to but Music is different from sports. When people watch a basketball game they'll usually get the same things out of it. But music is different. Some people like different taste of music. So you can say that putting someone over dre is a sin. If you are gonna say someone is better then someone you should have a legitamit reason though.
I feel as though the eastcoast has more to offer. There are alot more artist on the east. (or so it seems) Many westcoast artist with the exception of the dre's, the snoop's, the cube's, etcs. Don't get good promotion so you don't hear much west in the east. I have to look on the net and read magazines to find things on westcoast artist. The main problem I have with eastcoast music is that there is alot of commerical bullshit such as dmx, ja rule, etc. It's not good music and gets tons of recognitionand promotion when good music from the west and underground east coast artist could be receiving.
I am not biased in my statements because I am one of the few people in philly who bumps Westcoast music, as well as eastcoast music on a regular Basis. I spend my discussions on rap defending the westcoast rap scene and I have people on my dick all day telling me westcoast ain't shit. Move to LA because I think Dre is a WAYYYYYYYYY better producer then timbaland and the neptunes, etc. However they don't realize that my taste is versatile. I may have more eastcoast cds than westcoast cds but I still support the west aot.
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WestCoastVeteran-
Y2hiphop.com is a great place. I don't see anything wrong with it. You have to to respect there opinions. It's unstandable that people voted off Ice Cube's Amerikas most wanted before Gza's liquid Swords. Liquid Swords was a classic album and if you had they had to choose between a eastcoast classic and westcoast classic. What would they pick. All of the albums they kept on were pretty good. Reasonable doubt was and Liquid Swords are classics though.
i got GZA's LS album and i dont think it comes close to Cube's AMW...and Jigga's RD is nice but like i said it aint touchin' Cube...but yeh its true what u said about which coast they'd pick cause everyone is bias..i know i am LOL! ay whats ur name on that site if your on it.??? mines Ashtray
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i whole heartedly agree with what topdogg said he's on point
but like you said jordan could single handedly take over a game
i mean basketball and rap have so much in common that's why ballers wanna rap and rappers wanna ball
dre single handedly takes over this genre, when he produced straight outta compton that changed rap forever and is the most influential rap record period, i mean it's so influential it inspired eve ALOT of rock and soul acts
then the chronic came out and took over the rap industry again, people wanna credit it for it's g-funk sound but i don't think that's it's whole influence before the chronic a rap record couldn't have clean production (take a listen to most rap records pre-chronic) every thing had to have grimy loud edge to it then the chronic came out and made it alright for rap to have clean, elaborate production like trauma's homie michael jackson and alot of people took notice of that and started making better produced music that is still shaping rap today
then the chronic 2001 came out and again has done some possitive damage in the rap game i've noticed since 2001's release alot of people are starting to make futuristic music that is "funky"...i dunno maybe it's a cooincident
now peterock has a very illustrious carreer also
him and cl smooth released 2 very solid records in 91 and 92, All Souled Out was very solid probably their best record in my opinion pete had very strong production on it with it's jazz influence probably one of the best jazz rap records but pete's production wasn't exactly Ground breaking and not as many people felt it except dudes on the east and eclectic fools like me ( 8) ) not to deminish his production AT ALL cuz it was VERY solid but i mean when you toss me another production masterpiece from 91' NWA's Niggaz4Life i'm even more baffled
then in 92' pete and cl blessed us with Mecca and the Soul brother and this records was every bit as solid as their first pete gots some amazing loops and i'm feeling alot of the drums on it too i liked their first record better becuase CL came off better but peterock uped the production...but then i look at another release from 92' ...dre's chronic and again dre is victor
then they released main ingrediant, i was feelin' it when i first listened to it but then i got tired of it , it wasn't nearly as solid as their first 2 pete came with some dope production but it wasn't as great cl came with some nice stuff on here too but it wasn't as great, even though this record came out in 94 i guess it can beconsidered like the "Aftermath" compilation at least in my opinion, i don't see anything wrong with comparing the 2 (even though they got different sounds) but the overall way i was feelin' them, i liked them both thoroly at first but they just lost their edge after a while after main ingrediant they split way and pete went solo and released some records on his own, the first wasn't all that great the second was solid but i was feelin' alot more stuff than Funk Spectrum, then i compare Petestrumental to Chronic 2001's instrumentals and i gotta give it up to dre once again
not to take any thing away from rock he's a dope producer but Dre has SHOOK the industry more than once
it's exactly like Allen Iverson and Michal Jordan, and remember iverson shook jordan in one game so i ain't saying dre has always been 10 steps above pete but overall when you look at what allen iverson has done and look what jordan has done it's no duh who you give it to...and i mean damn i like iverson more than jordan, not to say i like pete more than dre, but my whole point is dre has done more for his industry like jordan than pete...that's all it's not biast or preference just the simple fact what dre has done compared to pete, i mean dre's put out numerous certified classic albums (SOC, Efil4zaggin, chronic, doggystyle, no one can do it better, eazy duz it, that one michel'le album, hell i've heard quite a few hip hop publications cresen chronic 2001, sslp, mmlp classic...i dunno about the last three put when you look at dre's catelouge compared to rock's i give it to dre
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You know what pisses me off? That you guys get involved with other board that don't know SHIT about real Hip Hop...I mean whats the point? If the people at the board are retarded, than dont go there....That simple...
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Who cares about innovation?
Shit, if we're talking about innovation, you better put ONP and EI3 up there, next to Dre...
Southerplayalistic...1993(or '94, when YOU all heard it), was the first P-Funk/Rap mix album to come out, revolutionized the game.
ATLiens....1996, people hate on it, but they gotta admit, in the end, that it's a classic...It was waaaay ahead of it's contemporaries. Even Dre only reached that type of shit in 1999...Jazzy, funky, and futuristic all at once...
Aquemini...One of THE top hip-hop albums...Sorry, but 1998's best album...Revolutionized the game AGAIN...
Stankonia...A mix of every influence, funky shit, with soul, ALLLL that...2000 never saw it coming...Set a new standard...
Yet ONP and EI3 are not given credit they DESERVE.
Dre revolutionized the game three times? So did ONP and EI3.
And Mellowman, c'mon...You're definitely biased as well, if you're accusing the people at SOHH of being biased...more so...you're always gonna defend your friend, ain't ya? It's natural, human nature.
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ay whats ur name on that site if your on it.??? mines Ashtray
I just read the post. I haven't been there in a few weeks though.
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yeah word up man
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about the outkast thing where you said they were the first to use p-funk....uhhh no people back in the 80's used it ALOT, and the chronic came out before southernplaya.....
outkast is my favorite group out right now second only 2 NWA but dre's influence is bigger felt than organized noise and earthtone III
oh yeah and i dug up that old sohh.com topic about dre/peterock and the moderators delted a GRIP of the dre disses, which is cool but sux cuz i was going to post them
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This is a very interesting topic. I am a fan of both westcoast and eastcoast hip hop, along with a little bit of midwest hip hop and southern hip hop. The coast doesnt make a difference to me. Its the music that counts. The Chronic vs. 36 Chambers?? Two CLASSIC albums right there, so its hard to say. I probably like the production on The Chronic better, but lyrically, 36 Chambers is better. However, I dont consider 36 Chambers to RZA's best work. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx and Liquid Swords are both better in that department in my opinion, but 36 is probably still the best Wu release cuz of what it did for hip hop. Also, I like Dre's production on Doggystyle better than I do the Chronic, though The Chronic is probably better overall [w/o The Chronic, there would be no Doggstyle]. I do agree about east coast heads though. Alot of them are close minded and worship NY like its the only thing in the world. I am a huge fan of Bone also, and I cant convince any of them cats that Bone is a great group. Its rediculous, but I live with it cuz I like alot of east coast music still, including Wu, Mobb Deep, Biggie, The Roots, Tribe, Gang Starr [probably the best duo in hip hop, only Outkast might be better], etc.......Thats my 2 cents, p'z
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they can say the exact same thing about us, sayin we're all west coast dick riders and the truth is some people in here DO ride dre's dick way too much
sure he's PROBABLY the best producer out there but there are some people that treat him as some kind of god, saying there is no1 even close to him which i dont think is true, premo produces HOT shit as well as others out there, like erick sermon for one, rza most of the time etc. some ppl in here are just as single minded as them on the other board
i love westcoast gangsta shit to death but i also like to throw in some tight east coast lyrisist's too on my mixes.
Liquid Swords, 36-Chambers, moment of truth ARE all classics as well as i think Legal Drug Money- LB
i gotta shout out to So Much Style for being the first one in here to come out and say basiclly what i've said, some people out there gotta open thier fuckin hears, good music is good music regardless if its west coast, east coast, dirty south, canadian or anywhere else!
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they can say the exact same thing about us, sayin we're all west coast dick riders and the truth is some people in here DO ride dre's dick way too much
sure he's PROBABLY the best producer out there but there are some people that treat him as some kind of god, saying there is no1 even close to him which i dont think is true, premo produces HOT shit as well as others out there, like erick sermon for one, rza most of the time etc. some ppl in here are just as single minded as them on the other board
i love westcoast gangsta shit to death but i also like to throw in some tight east coast lyrisist's too on my mixes.
Liquid Swords, 36-Chambers, moment of truth ARE all classics as well as i think Legal Drug Money- LB
i gotta shout out to So Much Style for being the first one in here to come out and say basiclly what i've said, some people out there gotta open thier fuckin hears, good music is good music regardless if its west coast, east coast, dirty south, canadian or anywhere else!
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True, true. But I do run into more close minded east coast folks than I do west coast folks. The best producer ever is a matter of opinion. Id probably say Primo, but Dre, RZA, DJ Uneek, Havoc and a shit load of others are nice too. There really is no greatest producer ever. It all depends on who you ask. I do think the east coast has made more classic albums then the west [i.e. Illmatic, Ready To Die, 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Cuban Linx, The Infamous, Illadelph Halflife, Low End Theory, Moment Of Truth, etc etc], but Makaveli [which we all know is a west coast album] is probably in my top 5 albums ever.
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i agree with every word u just said hellrazor, when i first saw someone had my shit highlighted i expected someone wantin to start some beef haha
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Ive had beef before on message boards, and it really is pointless. People aint never gonna see eachother anyways, and besides, the world would be a boring place if everyone had the same opinions. All I really ask for is for people not to say stupid and/or absurd shit w/o at least giving a logical explanation for it. Thats really it.
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George Clinton used P Funk when Outkast were lil kids still...
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Yeah the same happened on Dre's own forum ( www.dre2001.com ) they keep dissin the fuck outta dre and pac and all. Then wy the fuck do they check out his forum...and they keep claiming he's gay, like 5 outta ten post are about Dre's Gay./...fuck em all...this Forum Rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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I said "P-Funk/Rap MIX "...I NEVER said they were the first to have P-Funk. Get your facts straight.
And Dre was G-Funk. There is a massive difference, more to do with lyrics. OTK did freak funk, Dre did gangsta funk...DIFFERENCE.
And the point I was making IS that people always throw it up for Dre, but don't recognize EI3 and ONP's contributions.
But yeah, and I've pointed this out to Mellowman, I always say this kinda shit, we got dickriders here, fo sho.
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what are you talking about dude?
dj quik was using p-funk before outkast
dre (before the chronic) used p-funk dating all the way back to his WCWC days
a good portion of old school rappers used p-funk
so i don't see what your talking about there organized noise used the same ideals as p-funk just like A GRIP of producers have before kast came out
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Old schoolers used the music, but not the themes...They weren't freak funk, they were just using the beats. That's what I meant(sorry if I was confusing).
OTK, with ONP, were the first freak funk/rap...
WCWC used the beats, not the style...
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just like anyone who is stupid enough to say that jordan is not the greatest athlete of all time.
I know this is music related but with all respects to you, you are stepping into a minefield
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Some artists may have used P-funk before Outkast did, but no group in hip hop has bridged all musical barriers on the level Outkast has. Stankonia is probably the most musically diverse hip hop album ive ever heard, and how the Source gave it only 4 mics is still a mystery to me.
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Yeah I finally bought it and its amazing. It has everything in it. Rap, Rock, R&B, P-Funk and whatever other kind of music it has.
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Erick Sermon brought P-Funk to hip hop..he had all the Parliament and Zapp samples before Dre...
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yeah stankonia is my 5th favorite album ever it's truley amazing
but i bet you if i looked in the old school i can find alot of freak funk rappers i know for a FACT i can find some from the early 90's also
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Erick Sermon was NOT freak funk, NO. He used the BEATS, not the style.
Aiyyo Jake...Funny how every respectable magazine plants OTK as the inheritors to "George Clinton's freak funk".
Name one from 1990-1992(trust me, that's the date Pre-OTK), and I'll bow down to you...But I doubt you can, well, I doubt you can name one who was really a freaker.
Anyway, don't matter none...:) Shall we take this onto MSN or summat?
Oh, I get what you might be getting at...Dag, Luka, that shit? I woulda never counted 'em as freak funk, by the numbers. More like acid jazz rap...But I see what you mean.
Peace,
Owen