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Title: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 23, 2001, 01:01:24 AM
What is it to be racist in the rap world. Hell, to answer that, first you must look at it from a minority's point. You see when people started to question Snoop Dogg was racist, I was like, they don't even understand. The way it is set up in this county, (The U.S. I mean) is that those with money, their kids make it, those that don't well it's a cycle. And who's at the bottom of the money making list, well the Blacks and Mexicans. But more than that, when we talk about moving up, what does that mean, moving into the "white world." Someone said if a white person would try to bring up the white race, then they would be looked at as a Nazi, well how much more can the white man go. If you go to school in a Black or Mexican community, your chances of getting a good education are slim. I'll use myself, my school was basically a Mexican and Black school, and I performed to my fullest. I got good grades, and got a scholorship to a college in Minnesota. I'm a poor minority in a world of whites now, not just whites, but rich whites. This is very strange, but knowing this is the way upper class is, I try to deal with it. the schooling I got in the schools in my area never prepared me for this, as the work is harder, I'm doing stuff I never learned, and people talk a different language it seems. This is a white world, and for minorities, we must build each other up, We are not being racist to whites, it's just that we have mountains to claim that whites will never see. We are less educated because or schools are bad. We are harrassed by the police everyday. The other day I lost a cop who was following me. My dad found out and yelled at me, saying he could have shot me. Why, because I'm a bald headed Mexican in an older car that looks to fits the profile of trouble. Blacks get it even worst, and they are expected to be lazy, as America always doubts the black man's manhood, instilling doubt in their minds from the time they are small. We are put down, and some say, well just do what you can to pick youselves up, well to overcome the pressure of a nation  beating down upon us, we must come together and fight together. Was Martin Luther King Jr. a racist for trying to build up his people, NO; was Casar Chavez a racist for fighting for his people, NO. Out of all people in jail for drug use, 90% are minorities. But out of all drug users, 74% are white. Not saying those minorities are not at fault, but you tell me who's racist. The ones speaking out so that they try to put up their community, or those that practice racial profiling and hunt out minorities when they should also check on the whites too. We still are struggling to get a far share in this country, and slowly, I'm becoming this country says they want but in actuality, they don't. An educated minority.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Don Seer on June 23, 2001, 01:09:07 AM
alot of the same shit applies to 'lower class' whites (or anything for that matter) in this country.
i think its even worse for the minorities over here.
the US has never had royalty and stuff like that... the people with money get better (non-government run) schooling and shit.. you can tell from peoples accents here who has money, and who doesn't the 'public school system' (public school = expensive). these people get treated differently, they get the good jobs etc.

fortunately our police *aren't allowed to carry guns* apart from specially trained officers, in special situations.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Don Jacob on June 23, 2001, 01:22:10 AM
when you look at the way the US is today minorities are MORE racist than whites, i'm a minority (mexican :) ) and i mean you can't blame us i mean the way whites use to treat blacks and mexican and asians was CRAZY and STUPID....

BUT it's like really what do we got to be mad about we arn't going though no racist stuff now, i mean yeah afterall we might start off in the ghetto and may not be born with a silver spoon in our mouths  like alot of white kids but is that the white man supressing us?....no alot of the dudes who are all up in the suburbs busted their ass to get an education and went out and looked for a great job and works hard every day to benifit his kids and now that whtie dude is racist and is responsible for my uncle and half of my family for being stuck in the ghetto???

then i look at selected people in my family who "blame whitey" and look at their situation, it's like ok you slacked off in school settle for any job given to you and you'd rather sit on your ass with a Corona listening to mariachi music than doing stuff with your family and doing stuff like RAISING YOUR hoodum kids....i just look at that stuff in my family as ignorance your no better than the white dudes who were racist back in the day

also i look at it like damn that was a long time ago it's like we're punishing inocent people for what their grandparents did i mean that's gay that's like putting Jeffry Domer's grandkids in the electric chair cuz their grand pappy  ate people....that's fucked


anyways that's how things are presented to me from my perspective
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Rud on June 23, 2001, 01:22:29 AM

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fortunately our police *aren't allowed to carry guns* apart from specially trained officers, in special situations.



I AGREE WITH THIS...IF ALL OUR POLICE CARRIED GUNS THERE WUD B FAR MORE KILINGS AS THA CRIMINALS WUD B MORE LIKELY 2 CARRY GUNS EVEN 4 SMALLER CRIMES

peace
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 23, 2001, 01:47:52 AM
I'm not saying blaim whitey, (though it may sound like that) but what I am saying is, we are not racist for coming together trying to put each other in a higher status. It's very hard to come up from the ghettos and barrios, I didn't know how hard until I made it out and am trying to get educated. Some indivuals might make it, those with drive. But at the same time, we all don't start off in the same boats. I would wish that all schools were at the same level to start with. But that ain't happing, so the best thing to do is to come together, and help each other out. Tutor a kid that needs help, or whatever. It took 20 long years, but I finally figured out that I don't want to leave. I plain on teaching in my community, so that I can hopfully help out some kids. We have a long road, and we must do for ourselves to raise above this glass ceiling. I know we can't bitch about how the white man has oppressed us, but at the same time, we must also deal with generations of lost freedom that is still not completely ours. Basically I just got mad for people saying Snoop is racist for have a little Black pride, and someone saying a white person with white pride is a Nazi. No, it's different, I think that we have to try to help each other out of the ghettos and barrios. After all, it does take a villiage to raise a child, and right now our kids are going bad for the same reason I almost did, the villiage is fucked up. We must come together. I notice in college, most whjite people were raised basically by their whole neiborhood, so I think we should follow this, and whites shouldn't look at this as racist.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Cliftone_Santiago_909 on June 23, 2001, 03:53:27 AM

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"when you look at the way the US is today minorities are MORE racist than whites" ----- "like ok you slacked off in school settle for any job given to you and you'd rather sit on your ass with a Corona listening to mariachi music than doing stuff with your family and doing stuff like RAISING YOUR hoodum kids"


  I'm Mexican

  I disagree with you saying that minorities are MORE racist than whites.... we aint tha ones beating people to death, we aint burning down church's, we aint blowing down buildings over race. Of course ALOT of minorities have some anomisity towards whites... but I think it's justified. And you need to open your eyez a lil wider cuz there's STILL a grip of racist white people out there.... they're just  a lil more quiet about it. They wont call you a "FUCKIN NIGGER" or a "DIRTY WETBACK" in your face nomore.....They know better.

   And Alot of them still look down on us, we get followed around when we wanna buy a cd at tha Wherehouse cuz they think we're gonna steal it.... I can be walkin down a parking lot and as soon as they see me they roll up their windows and lock their doors thinkin I'ma hurt them.

  I agree with what you said about white people still catchin heat for some shit their grandparents did and that we should try to look past that.... but you can't just forget it and act like it never happened...

  I aint tryna judge you or anything homeboy but it sounds like you were raised in a "white" neighborhood and grew up with white kids.... There aint nothin wrong with that but to me it seems like you adopted their state of mind and are backing them.

  The way you talked about your family, the Corona sippin', Mariachi music and the hoodlum kids..... That's the way alot of white people look at us.... I dont know about your family but whatever they do aint got shit to do with mines... cuz it aint all like that.

  I aint blaming nobody for my postition in life but myself..... I just expect to be respected.... DESERVE to be respected... and I gotta big FUCK YOU for whoever doesn't respect me.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Mr_Loc on June 23, 2001, 04:20:51 AM
I think the main thing is to not paint all people with the same brush. All whites are not racist and/or rich, all blacks arent from the hood etc etc

yes racism is still evident but it is individuals who are racist and not whole races.

i agree its a white mans world, and the system holds minorities down, but its also holding poor white people down too so dont think its just a white vs minorities thing, i think thats unfair
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Joachim on June 23, 2001, 04:57:33 AM
I grew up in quite a poor place(im white), with about 50% white people and 50% black people, most of the white people were irish, most of my mates were black, and they was all as poor as me, and we all hated middle class England, if you were middle/upper class i was jakkin you straight up, i was brought up to hate on people richer then me white or black.

And for us, growin up, it wasnt about colour, it was about working together to escape poverty, and via a stretch in prison i did, but if i was a racist i probably wouldnt have got outta that grim block of flats i grew up in.

Peace
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Trauma-san on June 23, 2001, 11:14:32 AM

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I notice in college, most whjite people were raised basically by their whole neiborhood, so I think we should follow this, and whites shouldn't look at this as racist.


That's Definately True, I'm White, And I've Always Had My Neighbors Down For Us.  Everybody Watches Everybody Elses Kids And Stuff In Our Neighborhood, People Give 'Em Rides Places, Kids Stay The Night At Different Houses, Etc.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Trauma-san on June 23, 2001, 11:15:39 AM

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  I disagree with you saying that minorities are MORE racist than whites.... we aint tha ones beating people to death, we aint burning down church's, we aint blowing down buildings over race.


I Draw Your Attention To The Rodney King Verdict Riots!  I Generally Agree With You, Whites Are Much Worse, But It's All Around...
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Sikotic™ on June 23, 2001, 11:43:09 AM
Yeah but the roles were reversed in the L.A. riots when that truck driver got pulled out of his truck, smashed in the head with a brick and now he is brain damaged for life. That was just as bad as the Rodney King beating. Racism goes both ways evenly in my opinion.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Don Jacob on June 23, 2001, 01:01:51 PM
to the dude who said i grew up in a white neighborhood and "adopted their state of mind"


BULLSHIT

ask anyone from bakersfield and they'll tell you i'm one of the proudest mexicans around, my whole point is the people from my area arn't doing anything , alot of relatives i have are just sitting on their butts watching telemundo wiith a corona listening to mariachi music....like mellow man said in a post  i'll buy you roundtrip airplane tickest to see this...then they bitch and complain about how they hate their job at a resturaunt  when i know they are more capable of getting a better job than that my friends dad busts tables at red lobster---ok that's the same thing i do at the sizzler and i know he could be a mechanic he loves cars and has fixed mine a million times his family struggles cuz he's too lazy to get a better job and would rather work at the resturaunt around the corner....and i see the same thing with a lot of relatives and people in my neighborhood

and as far as where i grew up at, i didn't know mexicans were minorities i thought whites were considered minorites cuz around my way theres 80% mexican and 10% whites and 10% other....so don't even try to instate i'm a brainwashed mexican which i also think is bullcrap becuase whites have the same mentality as mexicans and blacks and that's provide for their family

not all of them look DOWN upon us that's just as stereotypical as that all blacks eat corn bread and fried chicken....just becuaes white people got more money than us don't make them "the bad guy" just cuz they go out and get an education and work hard for what they got , some mexicans are hard working too, and the ones that are usually raise hardworking kids that become the ones that make it outta the ghetto and become succesful i don't understand the whole white, black , brown mentality we all have ONE HUMAN MENTALITY....

Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Mr_Loc on June 23, 2001, 01:05:57 PM

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i don't understand the whole white, black , brown mentality we all have ONE HUMAN MENTALITY....


thats real talk, well said
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Don Jacob on June 23, 2001, 01:40:48 PM
and about the comments about white people burning down churches and what not, not all white people do that and just becuase  a few idiots do that , that means the whole race does that??

and it's like damn theres just as many blacks who do that it's been on the news a couple of times

theres been chinese people who have stolen black babies and eaten them

theres been mexicans who have brutally beaten whites and other races to death also

so it's like it's not just white people who do brutal things, everyone has done stuff like that
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: TheSheriff on June 23, 2001, 01:46:58 PM
I grew up in black neighbourhoods, up until I was like 11. I grew up in East Point, ATL, Ga, De Renne, SAV, Ga...Both black majority areas. And Crystal Palace, London, England...Black majority area...

I'm white...My family earned their way out of the slums we were livin in, now I live in a 5 bedder with two computers and 4 TV's.

My best friends are mostly black. Yet, when I talk about blacks as equals in polite company...I'm called racist.

I'm not gonna feel guilty for what my ancestors migth have done, cause I've lived the life they might have helped create...And I don't see any point in seeing myself as guilty.

Yet Criminal called me a future Remy...What, cause I told you the truth? Some minoritized people refuse to see the truth, as it's a lot easier to stigmatize white people.

I don't expect respect, nor do I deserve it. But what I expect is that we drop race as an issue.

And a big FUCK Y'ALL to anyone that calls me racist...
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 23, 2001, 11:52:44 PM
Listen, I did not make this post to say who was racist, frankly, I don't give a damn. I made it because everyone was saying Snoop Dogg is racist for making pro black unity lyrics. What I'm saying is, this is not racist. I'm from an all Mexican and Black city. Rialto is about 60% Mexican, 30% Black, and 10% white. I know about White people in here getting harrased. But what I'm saying is that in White communities, and Asains, it seems as if they are more unified, and that the whole neiborhood raises the kid. I see more car pools, more sleep overs, more trust. Well in Black and Mexican communities, I see more mistrust, and we turn on each other. Also, I notice our schools are shit compared to those in White communities. So when minorities talk about coming together, they are not being racist, they are trying to incourage their community, a place they have PRIDE in, to try and better themselves, and not be such mistrusting bums, because that's basically all we are becoming. I guess college is fucking with my head, but this is how I feel after hearing people call Snoop Dogg a racist for trying to encourage the Black community. They are not racist, just trying to raise their community to White and Asain levels. Man how many times must I repeat this. And oh yeah, Jake, your a cool Mexican, but the Whole Human Mentality goes out the window for being pulled over for nothing by cops. I'm a college student with no record, and I scored a 1040 on my SATs, which was second in my class in high school. I played football, and I donate time to my church, which I love, so if we are One Human Mentality, then why am I targeted. If I was white, would they pull me over.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: TheSheriff on June 24, 2001, 01:04:53 AM
You realize by saying there are different mentalities...That's the kind of thing that drives wedges in between race relations?

Sorry, but I don't have a white mentality...or black mentality...NO mentality except a human one...

So don't gimme that bullshit. You make your own mentality.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Don Jacob on June 24, 2001, 01:18:28 AM
i can explain this issue on cops pulling people over


i have a neighbor (who is black by the way) who is a cop and he think this whole "racial profiling" thing is a gimick

we had a discussion really about how come cops pull over people (blacks and mexicans) for no reason and that day i had gotten pulled over and i was pissed cuz i didn't do NOTHING but my neighbor told me this

cops are really out to do their jobs they put their jobs above their lifes most times and they take an oath to protect and serve the community, so if they're pulling you over it's becuase you might look suspicicious , now jake i ain't saying it's cuz your mexican he pulled you over it's becuase you dress like a hoodlem somtimes, and you can be the mexican Jesus Christ but if you looked like hoodlem they have a right to inspect you

that pissed me off becuase i was like fuck just cuz i'm mexican i'm automatically a hoodlem? and then i relised if you look like Dee-bo of corse your gonna get pulled over but if you look like will smith than you ain't got no problem....if you look like lil joker from friday yeah your gonna get pulled over but if you look like Ricky Martin than i guess your not gonna get pulled over and even if you do what do you got to be worried about as long as you ain't doing nothing wrong right, and now i look at it like damn i'm glad cops do that becuase with all the crazy crazy people out there they're gonna catch alot of cancers on society ya know what i'm sayin

Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 24, 2001, 01:35:00 AM
Drive a wedge? Man the first thing to getting rid of the wedge is to first see the differences between mentalities. The Human mentality is cool, but it's not reality. Your going to tell me a Mexican from a Mexican community has the same mentality as a White from a Mexican community. Hell your going to tell me you have the same mentality as your neigbor. We are all different, we are all not programmed the same. Every person is different, and one thing that makes us that way is culture. White culture is different from Black culture, and Asain culture is different from Mexican culture. Hell Mexicans and Chicanos have different mentality. This is a fact, not no things should be this way. I'm tired of defended my stands. I'm saying it's hard for us to come up, because if shit was ment to be far, the the country would make it that way. Poor White people have to come up just as much as the other minorities, and rich minorities have just as much as an advantage than any other rich white person, this is true. But all and all, we are still divided by invisable lines, and I know it's hard to see, and believe because this country is such a great one. But I left California to compare a minority ran state (of sorts) were I'm a majority, to a place were I'm a minority. And shit is why different, and it's like visiting, not a different country, but a different world. There is a differents in mentality, if it's race related or not, you decide for yourself; but shit is defferent, and I told you, I mainly wrote this in responce to people say Snoop Dogg is racist for telling Blacks to come together. We are not racist for telling are communities to come together. Tell me how is that. A white person that does that, a Republican, a minority, RACIST??????
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 24, 2001, 01:42:09 AM
Oh yeah, and as I said before, 74% of drug users, and about the same percent sell drugs, are white. 90% of people in jail due to drugs, minorities. Looking suspect, and who are the suspects are two different things. And I usually don't look suspect, just that I have a bald head because the I.E. is usually 10 to 20 degrees hotter than L.A., which we are over a 100 and it's 96 on a cool day. the clothesare not straight gangsta, just shit that looks more hip-hop style, and my car is old because that's all I can afford. I still don't trust cops, there are some good ones, I've met them, but my mom actually taught me, so I ain't doing it.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: TheSheriff on June 24, 2001, 01:42:15 AM
M Dogg, not tryin to bug you, but...What mentality am I?

If you're saying Mexicain communities should unite, fair enough, but that's the kind of thing that creates racism...People can SEE you're different, and that you don't want to fit in...I'd like humanity to be coffee coloured...

Shit, I've been stopped in the street, in an 80% white area, cause I wear hoodish clothes...It's not about race, it's about apparent danger.

Anyway, you say everyone's different...Yet at the same time claim that a mexicain has the same mentality as another mexicain...bullshit...Which one do you mean?
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 24, 2001, 02:04:02 AM
As I said, we fight, the same with the Blacks. This does not create racism because by uniting, we are following the same paterns that Whites and Asains use to raise kids by their whole community. It's not a matter of having the same mentality, I didn't mention that until Big Jake did. I just think we should unite in terms of trust. That's what so called racist rappers are trying to say. Not have the same mentality, but to TRUST each other. parents get to know each other, and help raise kids together, because we fight among ourselves to much.  You mentality is your thing, just trust you fellow man, and since most Mexicans and Blacks complain about the same thing, well TRUST each other and COMMUNICATE with each other to solve the problem. Our communities need help. We lack what others have, TRUST and COMMUNICATION. This does not create racism, this allows the members of the community to work together in building up their community so that the people can work out their differences. We need a lot of help, and this is were to start, to first bring up the problem, instead of saying, "it's an indivual problem," because unitied we stand, divided we fall. Non COMMUNICATION creates racism because it creates ignorince. (hope I spelled that right, damn Rialto education) I not saying, exclude all non Mexican or Black people, just saying all Mexican and Black people must learn to talk like neighbors, just like White people do, and we need to help raise children with a village, not a single parent. A strong community can raise kids better than a single parent. (sorry dad, I know you tryed your hardest, but I did have like 4 extra mothers, and that made all the difference.) So it's not exclution I'm talking about, it's TRUST AND COMMUNICATION between Blacks and Mexicans, hell they can even trust each other if all goes right.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Trauma-san on June 24, 2001, 05:20:36 AM
I Agree With A Lot Of What M Dogg's Sayin..

Open Your Eyes, Yall... I'm White, So I See A Lot Of It Happen. Cops DO Pull People Over Just Because They're Black.  They've Pulled Me Over And I've Talked My Way Out Of Speeding Tickets Probably 5 Times, And I KNOW They Wouldn't Let A Black Guy Get Away With That.

Now, If You Got A WHITE GUY Sitting Here Telling You That People Are Racist, Pleezbalievit.  I See It All The Time... I Think It Goes Each Way Though, Black Peeps Are Racist Too, It's Just They Don't Have The Power White People Sometimes Do To Enforce Their Views, You Know?  

I Grew Up Dirt Poor, To Where I Got Money Now, And I'm Sure Alot Of That Success We've Had Came From My Dad Being White.  Simple As That...
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Mr_Loc on June 24, 2001, 05:22:03 AM

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all Mexican and Black people must learn to talk like neighbors, just like White people do


man theres a lot of white-majority communities where everyone is against each other, nobody helps out nobody. where im from, nobody ever helped raised me but my mother.

thats what i mean when i say dont paint everyone with the same brush, not all white communities are the same, just like not all mexican communities are the same, all depends on social conditions and varying situations.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Don Seer on June 24, 2001, 05:46:30 AM
now that true... it often depends on the area of town

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Shit, I've been stopped in the street, in an 80% white area, cause I wear hoodish clothes...It's not about race, it's about apparent danger.

i've been stopped for the same kinda shit in a 99.99% white area, i get followed around stores on my lunch break - just coz I look a little rough (like a scally for you 'puddlians/brookie fans) - when in fact I earn over double a security guards salary
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: TheSheriff on June 24, 2001, 06:17:12 AM
I have never said Snoop was racist. Most I ever said was a light protest against Daz's "Us against them" rap in TDTNTO. That don't help race relations.

Let's put this in perspective...

I, at one point, lived in Tijuana, Mexico. There, whites are peresecuted HORRIBLY. Now say the mexicains are all nice guys.

Anyway, it ain't about race, it's about humanity itself.

And Trauma, where you from near ATL? The south is traditionally pro-white, but College Park, East Point...Weeell, there, black cops stop whites for no reason.



Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Top-Dogg2001 on June 24, 2001, 07:49:53 AM
I am black and I feel as though when I go some places whites are staring and think of us as thugs and uneducated people. If I go somewhere with a few of my friends they don't even want to be near us.They'll cross over to the other side of the street. Alot of whites treat us like crap. They don't even want to move into the same neighborhoods as us. (for some blacks that is understandable). The jails are filled with minorities. Also whites get a better opportunity at getting in schools.

But it's messed up how any time whites want to express white pride they are considered racist.  Even people consider tommy hilfiger to be racist all because he said he didn't know black people would buy his clothes. I see nothing racist about that statement but many blacks do.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 24, 2001, 09:15:06 AM
At least were talk about the right stuff now. There is need for name calling. And as for painting everyone with the same brush, I've been to a minority community, mine, and a white community, my college. Now I know people are raise different, but it is usually those that are in college were raised by more than just their parents. They had a lot of people watching them. And who are the overwhelming majority in college, Whites and Asains. At my school, Asains alone are more than Blacks and Mexicans combined, and Whites are over 50%. I just notice this patten of succese, and more rappers that express fustration say, Black people need to stick together. Now they may say some anti-white things, but that's on them, the main message is, to help your community from within before you can do anything else. That's all that is really being said. The anti-white thing is their problem, but don't get the message mixed up with the garbage. Hell ya'all listen to rap, and all 2Pac fans know this better than anyone.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: West Coast Veteran on June 24, 2001, 09:27:29 AM
excellent post. yall said what i woulda said but just wanted to say good post.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: HHH on June 24, 2001, 09:33:59 AM
YOU CANT REALLY TURN ROUND AND SAY "THIS PARTICUAR GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE RACIST AND ARE MORE LIKELY TO BREAK THE LAW". THATS PUTTING A LABEL ON PEOPLE.

THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE MATE !!

IM A GOOD GIRL !! LOL ...............SOMETIMES  ;)
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Mr_Loc on June 24, 2001, 10:39:08 AM
i feel what your saying M Dogg but personally i dont think a college environment is really representative of a white-majority community. A college is the best and brightest (and sometimes richest) of society. There are a lot of white communities where nobodys going to college, either because they havent had a good edumacation or because they cant afford it (eg: me)

I understand your point tho, if most people at your college are white that would suggest whites do have a better upbringing with more chance for success. but i think proportionately there are as many white folks thats going nowhere as there are successful ones.

unfortunately the same cant be said for minorities, as we all know there is large number of 'minority communities' with a bad education system etc, most likely more than prosperous minority communites where people are given a fair shot at life

but is that really the fault of those communities themselves? i think the government is more to blame for not installing the right basis for success.

phew, hope that makes sense  :)
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: M Dogg™ on June 24, 2001, 06:50:50 PM
I just think minorities should try to follow know succesful whys of bringing up their communities. That's what I take out of rappers saying, black people need to stick together. That's all. It works in building strong, succesful communities. And by working together, schools, and law inforcement can be worked with. But an indivual by himself can't do it. That's what I think about when I say stick together. Because to improve the country, and other communities, white or minority, first a community must help itself. We aren't racist, just trying to get a piece of American Pie too, and I don't mean the movie, but the dream.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Trauma-san on June 24, 2001, 07:01:07 PM
Yeah, Your Main Point Is Dead-On, I Swear In My Opinion The #1 Problem With Peeps Today Is Stuff From Their Childhood.  Think About It.. When you're A Kid You Learn Everything.

You Know How Through The 9th Grade Or So, You Learn New Stuff, Then From There On Out It's Review? Same Thing In Life, You Learn What You Use In Life Early.  If You Got A Screwed Up Family, Or You Ain't Treated Right As A Kid, You Ain't Never Gonna Be Straight.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Cliftone_Santiago_909 on June 24, 2001, 11:54:36 PM

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Drive a wedge? Man the first thing to getting rid of the wedge is to first see the differences between mentalities. The Human mentality is cool, but it's not reality.


 That's for real!  We should atleast recognize that not everyone is tha same... The sooner people recognize it, the sooner people will learn to live with each other.

  You put a white, black, hispanic, and an asian guy in tha same city and all four of them are gonna go through different struggles. They're all gonna struggle, just in different wayz. And what I'm trying to say is that none of them will be able to FULLY understand the next man's struggle.

   What Trauma said about gettin' pulled over and the cops lettin him slide.... that's for real too. Like he said, "Open Your Eyez"... people WILL treat you different simply because of the color of your skin... yeah it's fucked up but that's just tha way it is....
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Cliftone_Santiago_909 on June 24, 2001, 11:58:46 PM
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Yet Criminal called me a future Remy......


  LoL.. yeah I remember that.

  GO LOOK AT WHAT YOU WERE SAYIN though dawg!! That whole post was like if you tellin' white people to beware black people.

  In my first post I wasn't tryna say that because some white guys blow up a building or burn down a church it means the whole white race does that... that would be ignorant as fuck.... I was just pointing out to BigJakeDoggyDogg who said that Minorities were "MORE racist than whites" that if you look at tha HATE crimes (Not just crimes) that have been commited in tha U.S. (Not T.J)... most of them have been commited by white people.

  BigJakeDoggyDogg : about tha airplane ticket thing... Bakersfield is about 3 hourz away.... I go down there like ever year.. I know what it's like. I know there's a grip of Mexicans out there. It aint right to say that they're all lazy and drunk off Corona'z though cuz when the people who DO look down on us think of us.... THAT'S what they see.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: TheSheriff on June 25, 2001, 01:01:41 PM
Yo, Crim, all I said is blacks and shit are just as bad as whites...

Didn't say beware the blacks. Shit man, most my friends are black...

But I have a HUMAN mentality. I don't have a "white" mentality...I don't have a "black" mentality. You make your own mentality, as I already said.

Anyway, peace man...Crim, our kinda-beef squashed man?

But on a final note, this could go on forever...You have to look round the world...Uganda, Zimbabwe, Mexico, the U.K., German, Spain, India, Rwanda, Australia, ANYWHERE with more than one race.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Makaveli on June 25, 2001, 02:11:51 PM
I think that if you're in a minority you get to a point where you come to the conclusion y'all should stick together. livin as a pole in germany i experienced a lot of racist shit too but what i learned was that you simply can't say that everyone who's in the same minority is automatically good and the whole majority is bad. i mean i'm cool with many germans and foreigners and i don't give a fuck where s.o. comes from and that's the way it should be. there's always some punks doin dumb shit but you can't blame the entire race for it. you can't generalize it and you can't say: one black did a drive-by so they all do it. that's the most ignorant and racist attitude possible. there ain't nuttin bad about unitin but you gotta keep in mind that other peeps been brought up in a different way and got a different culture and you gotta respect it. plus it's scientifically proven that ALL people originally came from Africa and the skin color is just an adaptation to the environment so why the FUCK do some people still care about what others look like.
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: 2Face on June 27, 2001, 03:30:55 AM
Hey...what is goin on between the east and da west anyway...I mean like,, I don't hear wuTang dissin Dre or n e thing like that???

Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: Makaveli on June 27, 2001, 05:39:30 AM
The whole coast-related dissin stopped a while ago.
LL does collabos with Dre, Snoop, Xzibit, Dre worked with Nas on The Firm etc. Wu-Tang even did Got My Mind Made Up with 2Pac when the East vs. West shit reached the climax. But what the fuck does it have to do with racism dogg?
Title: Re: Connecting racism with rap
Post by: 2Face on June 27, 2001, 05:56:28 AM
My Bad  :'(
haha no, I asked it here, coz I didn't want to start no new thred just for this lil questions..aight