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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Trauma-san on June 07, 2001, 12:35:48 AM
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Lets Get A Topic Started, A Heated One :)
Everybody, And I Mean EVERYBODY Says Eminem Won't Diss REAL People. I Got Somethin' To Say About That.
IF, I Wanted To Fight Somebody, and I'm A Lightweight, Am I Gonna Talk Smack To Mike Tyson? NO, Because He's A Heavyweight.
Eminem ISNT The Biggest White Guy In The World. SO, What Sense Would It Make For Him To Talk Smack To Some Big Black Guy Like Shyne?
He Talks Junk To Everlast, ICP, NSync, Etc., Because THATS HIS SPEED! He Thinks He Can WHip Them, They're On His Level. It Would Be IGNORANT Of Him To Diss Someone Like Shyne, Jayo Felony, Etc., Because They'd Sting Him.
Lyrically, He Could Take Most Anybody... And He Doesn't Mind, Like For Instance, He Took On Evidence, And Everlast, Who Like It Or Not, Are 2 Respected MC's. (Even Everlast, Admit It... )
How Can You Talk Junk About Him Not Dissing "Real" Rappers, When If He Did, He KNOWS He'd Get Beat Down....?
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True that Trauma... i have never thought of it that way... but it totally makes sense
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But Doesn't Em Say "I Just Dont Give A Fuck"? Then I Guess He Does Give A Fuck. If He Didn't He Would Be Starting Shit With Anyone [eg. Pac]. Yeh I Feel Ya On That He Wouldn't Fuck With A Big Nigga Like Tyson Cause Thats Suicide But Shyne And Jayo Ain't That Big. He Won't Fuck With Those Niggaz Cause They Some Real Hard Niggaz. I Bet He Even Won't Diss Bushwick Bill Cause That Lil' Nigga Is Crazy For Sho' Not Like The SHOW Em Puts On.
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But Doesn't Em Say "I Just Dont Give A Fuck"? Then I Guess He Does Give A Fuck. If He Didn't He Would Be Starting Shit With Anyone [eg. Pac].
Y WUD HE - COS PAC IS DEAD.....U DONT START DISSIN THE DEAD
peace
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There's no way Eminem could even come close to knocking Everlast out! I mean have you seen the video to jump around? Em was forced to diss Everlast cuz Everlast dissed him - I agree with your actual theory tho.
But c'mon Everlast has the IRA backing him!
Fighting Irish
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Yeah, But if he only picks on people he thinks he can take.... doesn't that make'em kind of like a bully? I mean, if he says a lil thing about the boy bands it aint that bad... but if he's talkin shit about tha boy bands like every other song... knowing they aint gonna do shit... It's kinda bitch, dont you think? LoL... like beating up the lil nerdy kids in school so people will think you can fight.
And I see what you mean about how dissing people that you know can hurt you is IGNORANT... but in this case, Shyne is taking shots at Eminem.. if Eminem is down, he should atleast stick up for himself.
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Oh yeah... just to add to that.... If he doesn't stick up for himself... then It kinda makes him just like the boy bands....
Knowing people are talkin shit about you but you just smile in your videos and act like it's all good.
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But c'mon Everlast has the IRA backing him!
Nah it aint happening mate.
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Well, I Just Wanted To Make The Point that Everybody Says Em's Disses Are Pointless, BEcause He Only Disses Punks, But Think About It...
He'll Diss Back To Shyne, But He'll Keep it Lyrical, He Ain't Gonna Come With Some "Whip Your Ass" Stuff, Watch.
And Doesn't He Just Say What We ALL Want To Say About Boy Bands? I'd Say That's keepin It Pretty Real, LOL.
Christina Aguilera He Was Provoked In That One...
Take Britney Spears. Annoying, But he Hasn't Said Really Too Much Bad About Her, Ya Know? Just A Few Things...
ICP Started It Too, They've Had Beef For YEARS, Supposedly The First Dre Song Em Ever Did Was An ICP Diss... (Unreleased)... They're Crazy, But I Guess Em Thinks He Can Take Them...
He Usually Has A Reason, Even If He Blows Things Outta Proportion. Like Look At Kid Rock... He Doesn't Diss Him...and He's From Detroit...
The Evidence Diss Was Sorta Uncalled For, But Hey...
I Do'nt See Him As Being A Bully.. Now If He Dissed People That It Was OBVIOUS Would Destroy Him, I'd Have A Problem With It...
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Nah it aint happening mate.
I know but he has links to them - check his tatoos
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Y WUD HE - COS PAC IS DEAD.....U DONT START DISSIN THE DEAD
peace
naw i meant if he didnt give a fuck he would be startin shit wit every1 like Pac did. yeh i could see how u misunderstood it. peace.
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And Doesn't He Just Say What We ALL Want To Say About Boy Bands? I'd Say That's keepin It Pretty Real, LOL.
Yeah, that's true, but like I said... it's coo' if he does a lil diss towards them but you hear Eminem mention them ALOT. Kinda makes him come off like a hater.... I dont know... I guess I just got that "You get yourz and I'ma get mine" attitude.
Plus, there aint really nobody else out there dissing the boy bands.... cuz there really aint no need for it.. EVERYBODY knows they're gay as fuck!
LoL.... see how I did that... i said they're "Gay as fuck!".... I aint about to post a whole Topic about it though. ;)
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naw i meant if he didnt give a fuck he would be startin shit wit every1 like Pac did. yeh i could see how u misunderstood it. peace.
O RITE!!
I GET YA NOW....SORRY MAN!
peace
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LoL.... see how I did that... i said they're "Gay as fuck!".... I aint about to post a whole Topic about it though. ;)
Yeah, But That One Can Slide, Because Their Sexuality IS Questionable... LOL....
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Every other rapper and they mama screams "i don't give a fuck" why do you hold eminem to it and none of the othes? I don't blame him for the boy band disses those are tight,everybody wants to hear those.I think he dissed Dilated because he wanted to show peeps he can beef with real mc's as well as whack ones, although Everlast is very dope check his song "Get Down",i'll come back to this topic later,chick i like on the phone ;) peace-Tanjint
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First off Shyne is skinny as hell not big, like some people said...
Take Britney Spears. Annoying, But he Hasn't Said Really Too Much Bad About Her
LOL, you probly havent heard the new D12 track "It aint Nothing but Music"
Here's a quote:
"This just in/
Britney dissed Justin/
Blew Ben's dick and Tit Fucked him/
If Affleck/
can get his ass licked/
Than why cant I?, shit.../"
LOL, some tight shit...
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ya...but deathrow disses him...and does he take a swing back hell no...and they diss him pretty harshly too..say like on tgfr...and well i think he's a bitch for it...lets just face it he's not gonna diss anybody black..well accept puffy that is...but that doesnt count cause everybody disses him...
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"if youre a white rapper, fuck you"-eminem
LOL..i find that mad funny
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Well he dissed Dialated People, and they are black...
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We aren't talkin about a physical fight though, lyrically. EMinem is one of the best freestylers and lyricists around. He can handle a Jayo or Shyne in my opinion. You know why he wont though? Cause he wants to keep the little respect from the real hip hop heads he got left. If he dissed a well respected black rapper all the black guys would be talkin shit about eminem. I know he has dissed black guys before but no one who is as well known as Shyne or others.
He is afraid of ruining his rep, plain and simple. I don't blame him though. I would just like to see him pick (or diss) someone on his own level.
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LOL Yall STILL Didn't Hear Me. Why Would He Diss Deathrow? That'd Be Ignorant, He Can't Hang With Them. They'd LITERALLY KILL Him. They're Not Talking About He Can't RAp, They're Talking About They'll Kick His Ass...
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I know what you mean Trauma,
but I think he`s making a sellout of his disses and exaggerates with his lyrics.
In my opinion he`s a studio gangsta , in his raps his tries to be a gangsta but in reality he isn`t !
And by the way he always disses the boygroups and shit but don`t realize that he slowly gets the same status of them .
So many 15-year old girls that scream Em and shit,
in TV you hear at least one time a day the word Eminem , I`m gettin`fed up.
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In my opinion he`s a studio gangsta , in his raps his tries to be a gangsta but in reality he isn`t !
Hmm...
1. He Says He Does Drugs, He Does
2. He Says He'll Kill People, But it's Always Comical, Not To Be Taken Serious
3. He Says He Carrys A Gun, He Does
4. He's In Big Trouble For Flashing A Gun At A Stereo Shop, - The Only Reason He Did It Was Because The Guys Associated With ICP, Who He Keeps Threatening. So He Saw Onea Their Folks, And Pointed A Gun At Him....
5. He Pistol Whipped A Guy Screaming "I'ma Kill You" Because The Guy Kissed His Wife...
6. He Hangs out With A Group Of Folx From Detroit, Takes Them EVERYWHERE He Goes
How Can You Say He's Fake? He Doesn't Hang With Famous People, Just His Boys From Detroit. He Threatened A Guy He Didn't Even Know Because The Guy Was Reppin' His Enemies... He Pistolwhipped Some Guy, He Carries A Gun... I'm Friekin' LOST ~ He's Not The Smartest, But He's Not Fake.
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Em' ain't fake, he doesn't always mean what he says.. but that's not fake. He pistol whipped some dude that was reppin' his enemies, that would take balls if you ask me.. a few things tho..
1 - did Shyne diss him?
2 - the only reason he aint gonna answer to death row is cause they're only tryna make money off him, if you look at what death row was in the early 90s, and look at them now, they ain't shit. They got Crooked I, he's about the only one with talent on that label..
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Damn Trauma.. probably seems like I'm tryna argue with you on purpose but that aint it... You have a point with all that you said on top but....
I heard that pistol wasn't loaded.
ICP... I dont think they're too intimidating
And I bet the guy he pistol whipped for kissing Kim didnt look anything like Shyne.. LoL
I guess you can say he's down for doing all that but then again it comes back to tha bully pickin on the nerdy kids at school.... I dont know though.
It doesn't really bother me when people diss other people over lyrical shit... but if you ever diss someone and threaten to harm them on sight then you should be able to back it up... I dont know if Eminem has ever made any serious threats like that before though.
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"cos i swear to god this aint just a song im tryna pre warn you/ lethal when i fucking see you dogg im swingin on you/ motherfuckers thinkin cos im in trouble with the law that i wont jaw 'em/up my sentance and double it tomorow"
i think he has
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Yeah, But Who's To Say He Won't Back That One Up?
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1. i heard dat Pistol was unloaded too LOL!
2. and whats so HARD about beating the shit outta some guy whos kissin your WIFE?? fuck i think anyone one on this board would beat the shit outta the guy!
3. Em is a bitch who wont step up to REAL niggaz. his crew looks like some faggots too D12 come on these or the most PUSSY lookin niggaz i seen in awhile LOL! i seen them on BET yesterday and they look like clowns tryin to be funny and shit like N SYNC LOL! especially that fat idiot BIZARRE!
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It's funny how many haters there are here. *cough*WestCoastVet*cough*
Shyne will get whooped by Em in a lyrical battle. Em is one of THE best lyricists out there. He is pretty freakin funny. And so on...
Add to this, he's not a gangsta-Not even a studio gangsta. He even admits,"I'm not a gangsta...". He says he takes drugs, but that's part of the message...He doesn't. He does it to get a message across.
D-12 are mostly good rappers, Bizarre's funny as FUCK....What else you want?
"Drugs are what they say I wa son.."
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Once Again, By Saying "He Won't Step To Real Niggaz" you Must Have Not Read The ENTIRE FRIEKIN POST! Where I Explained He'd Be Ignorant To.
I HATE When People Reply To Something Without Reading It...
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true dat he's not a gangsta but he tries to act so hard...im not talkin bout lyricism i know Em can spit flames...im talkin about how he talks all this shit and tries to act like he dont give a fuck when he really does...thats fake...and Trauma i know if he steps up to peeps like DRow he'll get killed literally but if Em talks all this bullshit like "I Just Don't Give A Fuck" Then Shouldn't He back it up? i know alot of other rappers say that line but not to the extreme Em tries to...
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Perhaps the reason he doesn't go out and get killed is because he has a daughter that he loves?
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Ya Know What I Think?
I Think No Matter WHAT He Raps About, Peeps Will Be Pissed, Because
1. He's White, And peeps Are Pissed That A White Guy Is Invading A Predominantly Black Turf (Sorry, That's How It Is)
2. He's Trying To Snatch The Precious "2Pac" Crown Of Rap, By Becoming One Of The Tightest And Most Successful, And All Pac's Fans Hate That (Sorry, That's How It Is)
3. He Acts Goofy & Hard, Which For Some Reason People Can't Handle...
4. People Perceive Him As Just Blowing Up, Without Paying His Dues (Which Is B.S., Because He Did)
5. Change. Peeps HATE Change, And Em's WAYYYY Changing How The Game's Played Now.
I Got A Question : Kurupt - Kurupt's Wha, 5'8, 120 Pounds? Talks A Whole GANG Of Nothing About BIG Bustas Like DMX, Etc., And Would LITERALLY GET KILLED In A Fight With About Anybody.... But Nobody Says Anything About Him; Why Is That?
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Cause he's black
Trauma is sooooooooooooo on point here
You may not think your being racist but you are
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Sorry To Say But Jigga Already Got Pac's Crown With Nas Coming In Second.
I Don't Know Where Em Comes In. Probably Way Down The List.
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Yup, Kurupt would get his ass beat by DMX. It ain't about winning though... it's about being able to back up what you say. He said muthafuck DMX so when he sees DMX he shouldn't rank it.
I could see someone like Shyne callin' Eminem out on the street and Eminem just walkin away like he doesn't notice....
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WEll, I'm In The Same Boat As Em, Because If I Hadn't Even MENTIONED This Guy Before (Like Em Hasn't), And He Called Me Out, 1 Look At His Big Black Ass, And I'd Walk Away... Ain't Worth An Ass Whoopin'.
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Well, if I was Em, and I got called out by some bitch like Shyne, I'd bring D-12. Bizzare could just sit on Shyne, and he'd be a hero for getting rid of that shithead. Then we'll go after Ma$e...Then Puffy himself...Then Tim Dog and Faith Evans....BWAHAHAHA!
Ahem.
Jigga ain't nowhere NEAR king of rap. He might be a decent rapper, but his bling bling theory lost him many heads' respect.
Nas is up there, but Em is definitely within the top 5.
And I must say I find it quite funny how racist people can be. Jay and Trauma on point there...
And this from someone who grew up amongst blacks: They can be nasty too. Don't idealize that they're all good...I mean, many are, but only about as many as good white guys, percentage wise...
Though I think the main difference between Em and Kurupt is that Em would NEVER have backed it up by go finding someone he called out, in general. I mean, he wouldn't go fight Everlast, as Erik would smack him up. Whereas, Kurupt would have used to do all kinds of shit...If only with help...
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Yeah, But Remember... Everlast Started It, Even If Slim Overreacted...
So, If Somebody Calls Me A Punk, It's Not My Responsibilty To Go Find Them And Beat Them Down... It's My Responsibility To tell Them To Bring It On, That's What Eminem Did...
I Agree Though, Everlast Would SMASH On Him....
BTW, I Aint' Got NO Problem With Everlast, I Think He's Half-Cool, And A Decent Rapper...
Now Fred Durst, Man, He Sucks On The Mic...
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Everlast sort of started it but Eminem cussed him on wax first on Just Don't Give a Fuck
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LOL, Eminem didn't say shit to Everlast on "Just Don't Give a Fuck"...Everlast dissed him first on "Ear Drums Pop Remix" when Everlast said...
"I buck a 380 on those that act Shady" etc etc
Thats when the beef started...
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"You wacker than the motherfucker you bit your style from
You ain't gonna sell two copies if you press a double album"
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"I'm Nicer than Pete, but I'm on a Serch to crush a Miilkbone
I'm Everlast-ing, I melt Vanilla Ice like silicone"
are the nearest things. But the first seems more directed towards Cage than Everlast. But the second...Winkle, Serch, Milkbone...Were all shitty white rappers. Pete? As I remember...Was a white producer for Vanilla I think...I'm unsure...
I like Everlast, decent rapper, etc....I'm a big fan...
But I found the diss war between more as one between friends over a misunderstanding(In D.C. and on Sway n Tech)than two enemies...
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And I must say I find it quite funny how racist people can be. Jay and Trauma on point there...
And this from someone who grew up amongst blacks: They can be nasty too. Don't idealize that they're all good...I mean, many are, but only about as many as good white guys, percentage wise...
Damnz!! That shit just made me laugh!
Sounded like something a frusturated white guy would say..... like something Remy from "Higher Learning" would say BEFORE he became a skin head...
Yeah well anywayz..... I wanna hear those percents
LoL
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The beef didn't start from it, Everlast was annoyed but didn't want to reply back to him
Check the issue of Vibe with Nelly on and you'll see what I mean
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Damnz!! That shit just made me laugh!
Sounded like something a frusturated white guy would say..... like something Remy from "Higher Learning" would say BEFORE he became a skin head...
Yeah well anywayz..... I wanna hear those percents
LoL
I'm not the kind of guy who collects percents. Praps you are, but that's your problem, guy.
And I am frustrated...Though more because I'm 13, have a puppy dog image, and that my best friend got shot on Thursday, died later that day.
Your point is, motherfucker?
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Your point is, motherfucker?
LoL.... that was even funnier...
In your post you said there were only as many good black guys as there is white guys... PERCENTAGE WISE... now you're sayin you dont collect percents..... which one is it?
In that post it's like you're warning people... sayin "Beware black people... they might seem like they're good but they're not".... I aint white or black... I'm Mexican.. I ain't tryna judge people cuz their color... I'ma judge you by the way you step to me.... you're either coo' or you're not... you aint a "Cool Black guy" or a "Cool White guy"... just a coo' person
when I read your post.... just seemed like some ignorant shit to be sayin'.... I can give a fuck less what everyone else on this forum things.... that's just what I felt.
On tha real though... R.I.P to your homie and everyone else who has passed but I dont see what him dying, you being 13, and your puppy dog image have to do with that frusturation....
Praps you're just a confused lil boy... but that's your problem guy
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I aint white or black... I'm Mexican..
Well, Yall KNOW I Don't Like Mexicans.
LOL J/K.
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LoL.... that was even funnier...
In your post you said there were only as many good black guys as there is white guys... PERCENTAGE WISE... now you're sayin you dont collect percents..... which one is it?
In that post it's like you're warning people... sayin "Beware black people... they might seem like they're good but they're not".... I aint white or black... I'm Mexican.. I ain't tryna judge people cuz their color... I'ma judge you by the way you step to me.... you're either coo' or you're not... you aint a "Cool Black guy" or a "Cool White guy"... just a coo' person
when I read your post.... just seemed like some ignorant shit to be sayin'.... I can give a fuck less what everyone else on this forum things.... that's just what I felt.
On tha real though... R.I.P to your homie and everyone else who has passed but I dont see what him dying, you being 13, and your puppy dog image have to do with that frusturation....
Praps you're just a confused lil boy... but that's your problem guy
I'm sayin I know just as many black people that aren't good people as I know white people...Dunno the percent...
And, yeah, I am confused, but I'm 13...Tis natural...And WHEN you know me, then you can understand what I mean. But you don't, and you can't be bothered, so keep off the friggin point.
I don't judge people by colour, either. I'm pretty colourblind. But it often seems as if here, and elsewhere in the rap world, and the world at large, white people in general have a stigma attached to them...I mean, has anyone even bothered working out numbers for Jatas of Uganda's massacres? That's worthy of stigma.
I'm cool with Mexicains, lived in Tijuana a while...But I'm not interested in where you from, but how you take me...And you're taking me as a future Remy?
Get a dick. Naw, eat a dick.
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True what ya say, but look, he hates nsync he hates lil boygroups like bsb and all o those, he might not have anything against Big Rappaz.
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Daaaaaaaaaamn! Thats a long ass quote...