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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: evan the dude on January 22, 2008, 11:26:48 PM
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Hey dub, i just thought i would drop some knowledge on how i feel about eminem....this was stemmed from a post in the west coast connection thread "What rapper should just call it quits?"
even though he has pretty much retired, I must say eminem has past his prime and doesn't need to touch the mic OR production board ever again. I stopped liking eminem after the eminem show. his shit after that was stupid, uncreative, and uninspiring. i couldn't believe that he had transformed so much from the marshall mathers LP to what he has become today. granted, he is a very creative artist, however, it seems like once the money got to him, he felt like he didn't have to put out good music anymore. i believe it all started with the 8 mile soundtrack, when he thought he could create his own master beats and be the worlds top producer AND mc. once the SALES "proved" this, it further fortified in his head that with the amount of money and fan base that he had, he could put out anything, anytime, no matter the subject, and make records sell. I really hope em doesn't make another record. i keep hearing him feature on rapper's albums and i think "it's only time before he makes a comeback." In an end note, i give much respect for eminem and his endeavor to raise his daughter. However, i feel that he has passed his prime, and needs to permanently put down the mic. god knows he has enough money to do so. RIP eminem 2002.
tell me your thoughts fellas, and lemme know what you think.
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RIP eminem 2002.
It's crazy to think of, it really has been 6 years since has has been consistantly dope,
chill
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Other than the death of Proof, what else is there for him to talk about that he hasn't already touched on? He's already made his mark in the game, so maybe he feels like there's nothing left for him to prove anymore? He's caked up, so where is the inspiration in that?
The only thing that MIGHT wake up the old "Infinite/SSLP/MMLP" Eminem would be a diss record from a popular mainstream artist who is on top right now? Weezy? Kanye? Basically any hip hop artist (who is lyrically above average) that can go platinum within 3 months. But even if that happened, would a diss record be enough to bring back that kind of inspiration again? It worked for Nas when Jay dissed him in 2001, so maybe it'd work for Em too? Nastradamus did to Nas what Encore did to Eminem. Thanks to Jay, Nas was able to rejuvenate his career by delivering Ether in a "5 Mic" album called Stillmatic. But in all honesty, I don't think anyone with mainstream status would challenge Em like that?
Either way though, I won't be mad if dude doesn't put out another album. His good outweighs his bad by a lot, so his legacy is intact.
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i think hes torn in all directions, wether its making hits, or making songs he really wants to, i think he wants to elevate, but created this niche for himself he feels he cant get out of, i would love to see some new eminem shit, but if it sucks, hes dead for good, cause an encore pt 2 is only getting 1 listen from me
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According to hip hop game, he has massive weight problems at the moment, so much so that slim fast want to make him a spokesperson lol.
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good points by everyone.
According to hip hop game, he has massive weight problems at the moment, so much so that slim fast want to make him a spokesperson lol.
lol. no shit?
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Rumors Homie..
So If Em did gain hella weight, would his look's make ya hate on a dope album?
hey man, Eminem is Eminem I don't care what dude look's like.
I'm not the biggest fan of Em, But he had some joint's that are still Blaze'able
Like
"Cleaning out my Closet"
"Stan"
"Lose Yourself" ect..
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He Lost Me With That Encore Shyt... :pimp:
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http://www.nme.com/news/eminem/33746
Weight loss product company Slim-Fast have offered Eminem the chance to be an ambassador for the product.
Reports from various sources have suggested that the rapper has gained a lot of weight recently, prompting the company to get in touch.
According to Yahoo news, a spokesperson for Slim-Fast said: “Slim-Fast is a programme that can really work for someone like Eminem. It's a do-able and flexible approach.
“Slim-Fast would love to offer Eminem product and assistance to help him become a potential S-F success story.”
I never said I was hating on him, I think he is a great rapper, but some of the things he said about easy targets was a bit too much at time like christopher reeves, kind of feel what goes around comes around.
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RIP eminem 2002.
It's crazy to think of, it really has been 6 years since has has been consistantly dope,
chill
dude used to be one of my 2 favorite rappers now hes considererd just a joke :(
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RIP eminem 2002.
It's crazy to think of, it really has been 6 years since has has been consistantly dope,
chill
dude used to be one of my 2 favorite rappers now hes considererd just a joke :(
tru, but this is old news. i mean he made one shit ass cd, a few bad guest apperances here and their. but i mean if you listen to a song lik "no apologizes" and "the re-up" on that re-up mixtape/album, he really kills it IMO. and thats his most recent stuff so i would assume hes headed on the right track, wouldnt you say?
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this may shock some, but i've NEVER heard an eminem solo. NEVER. not that i dis-like dude, i just never had :-\
and it's crazy cause
a) as i was really growin up (i still am lol, only 17) he was THE SHIT all over the place
b) i like to listen 2 all kinds of artists and their discographies
i plan on doing his discography soon
i actually heard "encore" but it wasn't much of a proper listen + it was a long ass time ago
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this may shock some, but i've NEVER heard an eminem solo. NEVER. not that i dis-like dude, i just never had :-\
and it's crazy cause
a) as i was really growin up (i still am lol, only 17) he was THE SHIT all over the place
b) i like to listen 2 all kinds of artists and their discographies
i plan on doing his discography soon
i actually heard "encore" but it wasn't much of a proper listen + it was a long ass time ago
whaaaaaaaaa? yoooo luna check out "The Slim Shady LP" and "The Marshall Mathers LP". his DOPEST shit right there. "The Eminem Show" was another monsterous cd by em. damn homie, uve been missin out lol.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
like the song "rain man" WTF was that shit? it was funny, on the song dre like falls asleep and em has to wake him up, but i dont rele blame dre for fallin asleep on shit lik that.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
like the song "rain man" WTF was that shit? it was funny, on the song dre like falls asleep and em has to wake him up, but i dont rele blame dre for fallin asleep on shit lik that.
I think hit records became easy to him, so he started putting bullshit out like most of Encore. That was why I wish the beef with him and Canibus would have turned into more. It would have kept him sharp on the lyrical tip.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
Sadly, it did.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
like the song "rain man" WTF was that shit? it was funny, on the song dre like falls asleep and em has to wake him up, but i dont rele blame dre for fallin asleep on shit lik that.
I think hit records became easy to him, so he started putting bullshit out like most of Encore. That was why I wish the beef with him and Canibus would have turned into more. It would have kept him sharp on the lyrical tip.
he was such a complete rapper, flow, lyrics, etc. and encore just like...i dk lol. ima believer tho that slim will come back strong if he releases again.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
Sadly, it did.
his name sold it, similar with 50 and "The Massacre". cd didnt deserve nearly the money it made, but since it was 50 cent and at the time he was one the biggest names in rap, so he dropped the people copped.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
like the song "rain man" WTF was that shit? it was funny, on the song dre like falls asleep and em has to wake him up, but i dont rele blame dre for fallin asleep on shit lik that.
I think hit records became easy to him, so he started putting bullshit out like most of Encore. That was why I wish the beef with him and Canibus would have turned into more. It would have kept him sharp on the lyrical tip.
he was such a complete rapper, flow, lyrics, etc. and encore just like...i dk lol. ima believer tho that slim will come back strong if he releases again.
I hope so. 1 song like Without Me is enough if he drops again. Drop some straight hip hop shit to show people you still got it. That IMO is what he needs to do. I like the tracks he did on the Re-Up.
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Eminem got caught up in the same mess alot of these other artists have. That cliche single that is pop music. As funny as him dissing Moby and N Sync was, it was corny and he did singles like Without Me one too many times. Encore is a perfect example of Em thinking he could literally shit on a song and it would still sell. That was a waste of some good Dre beats.
like the song "rain man" WTF was that shit? it was funny, on the song dre like falls asleep and em has to wake him up, but i dont rele blame dre for fallin asleep on shit lik that.
I think hit records became easy to him, so he started putting bullshit out like most of Encore. That was why I wish the beef with him and Canibus would have turned into more. It would have kept him sharp on the lyrical tip.
he was such a complete rapper, flow, lyrics, etc. and encore just like...i dk lol. ima believer tho that slim will come back strong if he releases again.
I hope so. 1 song like Without Me is enough if he drops again. Drop some straight hip hop shit to show people you still got it. That IMO is what he needs to do. I like the tracks he did on the Re-Up.
D-Nice speaks the truth! 8)
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one thing I never liked was Ems voice other than that dude was the perfect rapper from '99-02 8)
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yea i'll def peep his solo's eventually
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eminems best moments came on mmlp top to bottom, his other moment of greatness was on 8 mile ost but he wasnt all over that....i recognize the white kids all love sslp and it put him on the map so i got nuttin but love for that album though i do not consider it anything above a 4 mic cd and eminem show was an album made with alot of recycled shit and basically everything he didnt care about, he did on that album....worrying about awards....he became the cat looking for recognition among crowds who dont understand hiphop....or much music infact...there were some real high spots on eminem show like "soldier"....i would say in his top 3 best ever produced records....though i do doubt how much he really "produced" of that beat...but nonetheless that shit was bangin....encore was horrible
i said it before and i say it again....
it was nothing to do with eminem not being bothered or anything....or he didnt care, he did care, we all care about what we do no matter what cats say...we all want to do good when we put effort into someshit....encore was just horrrible because he had nothing to say, he tried to recylce recycled shit which is a terrible idea and then because he had nothing to say he tried to improvise on beats and just flow but he lost some of that because he had nothing to say....nothing was really on that cd which deserves more than a few spins.....even the actual "encore" joint with eminem/50/dre was terrible and some of the dre beats sounded like new attempts at bats he made before but just didnt sound as good, he did drop a few good beats on the album though but eminem did nothing on them....
was a horrible album collectively....the re-up was garbage too....
infact afterrmath/shady/gunit really need to step up because they loosing there touch and are becoming out of touch with reality....niggaz need to step up there own game and quit blaming radio
sslp - 4 mics
mmlp - 4.75....like i said before, i wouldnt argue with anyone who would consider this classic because this was what really made eminem the top dog in hiphop for 3 solid
devils knight - 3.5 or 3.75 mics....nice album, eminem comes really good on some parts like fight music and proof and swift at times provide nice backup but as a group, those niggaz are wack
eminem show - 3.75-4 mics....i think lyrically eminem came strong on this but i think theres more to MUSIC than just havin words that look nice on paper
d12 world - 3 mics....horrible cd in alot ways, how bizzare became a rapper i dunno....eminem a producer....since dre stopped lookin out for him, his gone from having good moments, to average to straight up wack...though to be fair the other members did step up there game lyrically on this album but to see eminems downfall u just got to listen this album because he was on the same level if lower than some of the wack members of d12 on this album....which is funny because in comparison to devils knight...when em spitted heat on that, only proof could have any chance of keepin up with him....this time around it was like they were all on a similar level....apart from bizzare ofcourse..
encore....2.5mics....straight wack....seriously....horrible cd....looks like alot of money went into this album, the sound is hella crisp, the production sounds real high budget for all that, it has no replay value and even from first few spins you can be thinkin "what the fuck"
the re-up.....3 mics....and im being generous....the first single was dope and there were a few other dope joints....no apologies being the best but i heard thats old....and eminems production is straight up garbage.....i wonder who he had ghost produciing his shit on mmlp/eminem show,lol....because production wise i think that was eminems best moments....anyways he really shouldnt be producing anyways unless he has really stepped up since we last heard his shit....oh and those niggaz he got on shady records...lmao...cashis....the fuck is this nigga signed on a major for? he better REALLY step up on his album because his shit is terrible from what ive heard so far...but apparently eminem has faith in him, looks set to be next out on shady with an album...
the other moments of greatness for eminem were the "nail in the coffin" and "the source" joints....amazing....
so that pretty much sums up eminem for me....he'll go down as a great, i think he probably deserves it, not because his the best rapper or anything, but his the best white rapper so his def a livin legend and whether he/dre/50 and jimmy ruined hiphop in alot of ways u gotta give him his props for making as much money as he could from milking the same old lame subjects like his mother and shit....
eminem to me....a good rapper who fell off a long ass time ago who at his peak was an amazing rapper.....but u could say that about many rappers....he gets extra attention for many reasons which i dont really need to say since anyone with a decent brain already knows
pz...
p.s..
i would like to hear a new eminem album....going out on encore is not right....he needs to go out with a big bang and show cats he still got some fire left
pz
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Well put
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IMO the tracks he did on 8 mile soundtrack surpassed the stuff he did on the Eminem Show, and the Eminem Show was a great album but after one bad album (Encore) and it was terrible its too early to write him off just yet. I think he is going to release a new album this year and then we'll have a better idea of if he needs to permanently hang up the mic.
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Yeah but Lose Yourself is still one of the best tunes ever.
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what yall talking about ???... 8 Mile OST and Em verses on GRODT and Cheers were dope as fuck ... D12 World is the start of Em downfall .. since that album I cant stand
1 His childish , dumb and useless lyrics
2 AND his voice and his flow .. people keep insisting on Em doesnt know what to rap about anymore and his childish stuff but even if he can come back with dope concepts and lyrics, he still has to change his flow and the ton of his voice which BOTH have been terrible
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2002/ 2003 was the last year Dre and Em were really popping. Xzibit, Eminem Show, GRODT, Cheers, Beg For Mercy, Eve, Devn The Dude, Blueprint 2, Truth Hurts, D.O.C. ... all had banging Dre tunes, while Eminem was killing the tracks on Cheers, GRODT, Man Vs. Machine, those diss mixtapes... he still had passion back then because of The Source, Ja Rule and Canibus dissing him.
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IF detox ever comes out... that should be when Em retires, he'll drop a couple dope verses and him an Dre can retire together on a high note.
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IF detox ever comes out... that should be when Em retires, he'll drop a couple dope verses and him an Dre can retire together on a high note.
as long as he drops one more album b4 that, im fine with that.
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IF detox ever comes out... that should be when Em retires, he'll drop a couple dope verses and him an Dre can retire together on a high note.
as long as he drops one more album b4 that, im fine with that.
to be quite honest, i feel that detox would be a better album without eminem. dre and em's relationship has been established to the point that i feel that eminem's contribution to the album would just be a hamper to the notorious dres 3rd solo LP. eminem had his shine on 2001. it's time for dre to do something he does best; use new artists, be innovative, and make records sell. period.
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I don't give a fuck what niggaz say, Em still is one of the nicest out right now. niggaz be over exaggeratting "Encore", it wasn't THAT damn bad ::). I'ma be waitin on his next album.
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Never was a HUGE fan as many of you were during that time but Eminem solidified his place in my Top 10-15 all time. At his peak he was nearly unfucwitable.
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Everyone here knows, Eminem is a benchmark rapper... The day i hear another rapper make an impact on Hip Hop like Em did, is the day i say that there is a better rapper...
Eminem is, and alwaiz will be an unstoppable artist... Sure he has had a few bad tracks, but who the fuck hasnt?? I mean come on, you all gonna sit there and tell me Pac hasnt made a boring/crap song? haha...
When it comes down to it, you all know ... If Eminem doesnt sell records, HipHop has died... When Eminem spits, he spits fire...
You will all see on his next album, i have good faith in Em... He has had a rough couple of Years... Proof dying, Obie gettin shot in the head, Shit with Kim and ofcourse Hailey dont let him have much room to breathe...
Em will come hard, and i assure you he will shut all you haters up...
One.
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Everyone here knows, Eminem is a benchmark rapper... The day i hear another rapper make an impact on Hip Hop like Em did, is the day i say that there is a better rapper...
Eminem is, and alwaiz will be an unstoppable artist... Sure he has had a few bad tracks, but who the fuck hasnt?? I mean come on, you all gonna sit there and tell me Pac hasnt made a boring/crap song? haha...
When it comes down to it, you all know ... If Eminem doesnt sell records, HipHop has died... When Eminem spits, he spits fire...
You will all see on his next album, i have good faith in Em... He has had a rough couple of Years... Proof dying, Obie gettin shot in the head, Shit with Kim and ofcourse Hailey dont let him have much room to breathe...
Em will come hard, and i assure you he will shut all you haters up...
One.
this guy right here, is a good guy. he knos what hes talkin bout. 8)