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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mellowman on May 23, 2001, 12:51:11 AM
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i was truly hoping that i would never have to bring this subject up again but i don't think i have a choice now. a very credible and scary story has come out that cannot be ignored. i urge EVERYONE on this board to go out and buy or borrow the latest issue of Rolling Stone magazine(with wrestler The Rock on the cover). everyone must read the article about suge knight, a HUGE scandal and cover up in the LAPD, and both parties involvement in the murders of biggie AND tupac. i hate to ever condemn a man as being guilty before being convicted, but after you read this article you will have a hard time denying that this is probably the truth. and its looking more and more like the truth is that Suge knight was reponsible for hiring people to kill Biggie and Tupac. the article is very long but well worth it. once you start reading it you will not be able to put it down. the story will probably shock and sadded you. but the allegations in this article are not just loose theories or things being made up. the allegations presented in this article are based on hard evidence and very logical and truthful facts. and don't question that statement til you read the article. once you read it i think you will agree with the scenerio presented. some people may think the writer and lead investigator who contributes a lot of info are doing it for personal gain. but in fact they are probably risking their lives putting this out, since everone who has stepped forward to help bring out the truth have been eliminated by murder and cover ups. after reading this article you will understand why dre, snoop and others keep silent. there are 2 things this article proves beyond a doubt. One, that Suge Knight is a pure evil and two,that suge is a dangerous and violent criminal who has been convicted of many bad crimes and has been involved in various other highly illegal business including drug trafficking and terrorism. and the worst of his crimes would be that he cowardly hired lapd members and/or gang bangers to kill tupac and then biggie. the scenerio told in this article shows how smart suge is in covering all his bases to get away with murder. as well as the evil lawyers, affiliates and business partners of death row and suge. it shows he is a devilish person who will do whatever it takes to elminate all leads. and it also shows that the lapd is one of the most corrupt organizations in the country (like we didn't know that). just to let you know dr. dre is only mentioned a few times and never as being involved in anything illegal. and thats because he had NOTHING to do with any of this.
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reading this article brought tears to my eyes.it made my heart break and left me mad, sad and sick
to my stomach. i have always felt deep inside that suge had something to do with the death of
tupac. but ive always tried to avoid pinning suge as guilty because there was only theories, speculation and rumours to back up my true feelings. i still had my doubts til i read this article. but now there is mounting evidence and facts that makes it hard to think anything other than that suge had tupac killed. after reading this article i am now 100 percent certain suge had pac killed.and whether you liked suge or not before reading the article i think that after you read it everyone will feel the same way and be convinced of the same thing. hopefully one day the truth will come out. it will be hard cause a lot of witnessess have been killed and anyone presenting this hard evidence has been swept under the rug or eliminated. a lot of people want to keep this silent. the conspiracy and cover up goes really
deep. an fbi probe and upcoming indictments(as well as a pending civil suit) may finally bring the
truth to light and prove suge guilty. one thing i am sure of is that Suge knight will one day pay for
the things he has done. he may be murdered by an enemy upon his release from jail or he may be
convicted in court and sent to prision for life. if one of those two things happen (or he somehow
avoids those two things), upon his death suge will have to answer to the man upstairs. and his
final judgement will be severe and just.speaking of god i ask everyone to pray for the continued
safety of dre and snoop. the danger is VERY REAL but i trust the lord will take care of them. and
while you're at it take a minute of silence and remember pac, biggie and all the others who lost
their life in this horrible situation. pac did not deserve to die like that. whatever happens suge
cannot escape his final judgement, a judgement from a higher power which will probably send him
to a place where evil people like him will dwell forever. i know i sound cold but what suge did is
unforgivable and he deserves what is coming to him. in closing please read the article and pray for
dre,snoop and don't forget about giving pac a moment of silence.
p.s. i truly promise i won't bring this up again but i had to bring this out in order to have peace
with myself. i cant wait for closure to this. but there is not much else i can say about this. just
gotta move on, focus on the future, while never forgetting about the people who lost their lives.
i gotta stay on dl for a while cause there is a lot of work to be done.thanks for your support everyone. and please, please keep the peace.
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dude i need to cop that magazine now...do you think they'll have it posted on rollingstone.com...oh well i'mma check right now
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they may have some of it on rollingstone.com but the article is so long i doubt that they can put it all on. youll probably need to cop the article to get the whole story.
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yeah i read a whole thing about some cop that was confronted about being a secuirity guard for deathrow or somthing, it didn't say anything really about pac or biggie until the end where it said the dude was a possible suspect in the biggy murder, but i gotta check the whole article like you said cuz i'm hella curious to what facts they gotta say
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Damn and I was gonna go get that magazine too(since it got the Rock)
I have thought for a long time that Suge has had somethin to do with Pac's death even though many of you dissagree. Why would he not try to bring the criminals to justice if he didn't have anything to do with it. Plus Pac was leaving the label to start his own. Suge didn't want to lose 2pac since Dre left and Snoop was on his way. He probably couldn't bare to see him make money on his own (which he would of).
Its really messed up that Suge got successful in the Rap industry. If only he chose another buisness to go into.
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So the Rock shot Pac AND Biggie?!........ Jokes,
I truly believe Suge is one sick muthafucka, but i think he gonna get capped when he gets out. Hes done too much to toomany people.
Peace
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Suge is a devil imo
whats that saying. evil speaks with a sweet tongue or sumthin? that why suge (sugar) always sounds like such a nice guy on his interviews.
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I dont really like to get into this cuz no one really knows what happened and people just want to believe what they want to believe.
I dont pick sides either.... I listen to Dr Dre & Snoop and some Death Row shit.
I really doubt Suge did it though... that whole conspiracy thing just seems to dramatized for me... I REALLY believe 2pac got caught up and fucked around with tha wrong person (Tha Crip) and that's that. Kinda fucked up he died over some dumb shit like that.... and I think people dont like to believe that BECAUSE he was such a good rapper and want to put more into it.
Plus... whenever someone brings up tha whole thing about Suge puttin a hit out on 2pac it's alwayz the same arguement.... "2pac was about to leave DR and suge killed him for tha money he could make off his unreleased shit"..... makes sense but for now that aint nothin but speculation and it aint enough to put tha whole thing on Suge.
Well that's just how I see tha whole thing..... But anywayz.... I wanna know what it is that you read in that article that made you so sure Suge Knight did it?
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Yeah me 2 What excatly did Suge do ? ( i ain't sure whether i can get that mag here)
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Instead of driving straight on towards the hospital - he turned round drove away from it and stopped.
That did it for me
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suge gonna have a rough ride when hits the streets..
all the press is gonna do is ask him 1) who killed tupac 2) did he get biggie killed and 3) why is he on snoop&dre's nutz
plus all the other shit like this LAPD stuff and that movie thing.
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yeah i posted something about this earlier i think like a week ago....but who knows......i think he had something to do with all of them....and yeah...things u do will come back to you in one way or the other.......wonder what his artist are thinking.........
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for sure.. someone here said summat about Karma coming back to get you, and I believe they could well be right.
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hey overseer i have been trying to catch up to you....u can check out the thread i posted if u wanted to order your dpg cd...
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Theres a "statement" on tha row website (from Suge) saying that the alligations in that magazine article are "absursed and completely untrue" hmmmmmm
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i wanted to drop by and give some clarifications to my original post.do not criticize me or anybody else who believes this story until you do 2 things. one, read the article. two, sit down and think things through. if you haven't done both of those things dont criticize me or deny the possibilties. i know a few of you can't believe that the great suge knight had anything to do with this. some one on this post asked me what the article all detailed. that would take forever. just try to find it. someone also asked what in the article supports my theory or convinced me that suge had a big part in pac's murder. there is a ton of things. i could talk for an hour about reasons and evidence that points in suge's direction. and please, read the article and find out for yourself. don't try to guess what it says. and yes the murder of tupac goes much deeper than just wanting to make money off pac's unreleased music. at first glance that was a simple explanation,( just like the fruitless crip theory, which has been supported by absoluelty no facts or legitimate arguements), but it is much more complex.and suge, if he did it, would be only one of many responsible for pac's death. someone pulled the trigger, someone knows what happened but are too scared to talk, someone is covering it up, and the two top witnesess were murdered. but the fact that suge hired someone and did not pull the trigger himself makes what he did so horrible and cowardly.
. some of you will always deny that suge could have done this,even if he someday is found guilty. and we may never find out the exact truth. but it doesn't really matter cause our judgements don't really matter in the end.
i also was asked what dre thinks about this. i do not know what dre thinks about this. this is a topic that does not and will not come up. i think that dre is thankful that he left death row when he did cause if he was in that car he would probably be dead too. but whether dre or snoop think or know ( and the article says snoop does) that suge killed pac is beside the point. their true feelings will probably not be brought up or discussed publicly ever again. and i don't blame dre or snoop for keeping silent. the danger they face is still there. though not as strong as in 96,97,98.
on page 15 of the same r.s. magazine a letter from the editor and author of this article is something else that must be read. it addresses some beefs and questions you may have with the article. yes, it is a fact that black cops can be and are just as violent and crooked as white cops are sometimes. besides we've been killing each other for years from greed, money, jeolousy, hate and for street rep. and sadly some of these brothers who have destroyed their own people have crossed over to the police.it was only a matter of time. so know we really cannot trust the police. but this case is not about race. its only that we're so used to white cops and city officials being guilty and covering things up that when it turns around some people may not believe it or dismiss it as racial. again, the author and the lead investigator are risking their lives to come forward with this info. and yes i know that they may partly be doing this for fame or even money. and yes, this article makes the situtation glossy and tramatized. but all they want and all we and the remaining family members want is the truth. the letter to the editor also confirms my comments that the author's life is in danger and he knows it. but right now this case and the truth will have a hard time coming out. if the author, or the lead detective in charge, or dre, or snoop were to be killed it would blow the case wide open and turn a few men's quest into a large crusade. huge attention would be paid by the fedeal government and the chances of the truth coming out and convictions would increase dramatially.so hopefully all that and all the info now out in the open will prevent suge or anyone else from killing anyone associated with this case that wants the truth to be revealed.
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one vision bout pac's death that haunts me is the picture of him and suge sitting in suges car
moments before pac was shot. pac wanted to drive his own hummer with his usual security but
suge insisted pac ride with him to talk business (after a tyson fight and whipping someones ass?).
the windows are down and both pac and suge are easy to see. pacs place in the car would be very
easy for a hired killer to hit pac and miss suge, just like biggies murder, only switched. in fact the
los vegas cops believe suge cut himself with glass and then claim a bullet grazed him. a contract
killer who hit pac where he hit him would not miss so badly as to graze suge's head. it just doesn't
make sense. and why did suge stop the car in its tracks and not move when the bullets were fired.
and why did he pull to the side instead of going straight to the hopsital. also, in that picture,look
into pac's eyes.i see a man who doesn't really look scared or sad. i see a man who is almost
accepting the fact that he was about to die. like he knew something was going to happen but
could not really do anything to stop it or like his records suggested he knew he was going to die
soon. suge's eyes like usual look cold and menacing. anyway, there are way too many questions,
coincidences and eyewitnesses to things to say that the case against suge has no basis.
some people will think that im dead wrong when i say i am certain that suge hired someone to kill
pac. i wish to god that this is not the truth. but right now i am convinced it is.before this article i
was very suspicious suge did it ,based on what id heard, what people told me and what i had
thought through over and over again. this story confirmed those suspicions. and it also detailed in
great length and in convincing fashion a scenerio that likely played out. a lot of this information
had never come out before now. i mean there is a ton of incriminating evidence against suge. and
carefully piecing everything together these last 2 days i really dont see any other plausible or
logical conclusion that you could come to except that suge hired someone to kill pac and biggie.
i agree with the people who say it is silly to speculate. and im sorry for my long winded venting.
but this has poured salt and tobasco sauce into an old wound and opened it up again. and it hurts
like hell. it really has reopened a lot of emotions we wanted to lose forever. i guess its that we just
miss our friend, our homboy. and its hard for me or others around me to contain our emotions.so i
apologize. but believe me this hurts. somehow i (we)have to move on again. somehow we have
quit speculating and thinking about this. no matter what we do, no matter who did it, there is
NOTHING we can do to bring pac back. we have to put faith in two things. one, that pac is in a
better place and we will see him again and 2)that the people responsible for his death will spend
eternity in hell. cause thats where they belong. once again, thanks for listening. i gotta check out
for a few weeks and to focus on the future. ill check back again, i just don't know when.
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Yup, Yup... No Matter What Hard Happens In Your Life, If You Believe In God's Promise Of Eternal Life, The REAL John 3:16, To Hell With Stone Cold :)
And Believe In "Divine Retribution" (The Idea That God Will Reward And Punish All Deeds, Eventually), Then It'll Get You Through All The Hard Times, All The Friends And Family You Lose, And All The Beautiful And Horrible Things You See....
I'll Check That Article Out... I Recommend Peeps Just Go To Like Wal-Mart And Read It On The Stand, If You Can't Afford It....
Peace
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somebody should scan up article on the net...
how big is the article??
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I'd do it if I could... I have 3 major obstacles.
1) No Rolling Stone Mag over here yet (give it a fortnight to hit the UK)
2) No Scanner
3) No Space for scanner
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daaammn. Gotta somehow get dat issue. Of course always when Suge is mentioned to be a suspect in Pac's murder always 2 things come up: Pac leavin tha Row and the money. But that's why everybody's in this biz: to get dough. Plus there were rumors that Suge didn't pay Pac, that he was always broke and after his death Suge even claimed Pac owed him money. I think Suge was just afraid of 1.)losin his last real artist 2.)a lawsuit forcing him to give Pac his dough so maybe hiring a killer was way cheaper...
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ohh thats so horrible ... i just been thinking y'know how it was meant to be a guy called Orlando who killed Pac , i was always thought it was him until i read this post ( i have'nt read the article yet) but now its kinda got me to think .... firstly it was all supposed start with some crip guy stealing a death row guy s chain but now that i've thought about it they coulda just made that shit up !!! i never thought of it like that b4 , then fuck it that whole story bout the Orlando guy was probably made up .. i mean it was only Death Row employees that gave that sort of evidence ... and if alot of them said it and there was really no one to disagree with them .... but i still don't understand why Suge would KILL Pac i mean even if he was gonna leave the Row Why kill him ?He didn't kill Snoop or Dre ..
"and yes the murder of tupac goes much deeper than just wanting to make money off pac's unreleased music."
This bit i really don't understand ...
... Also i don't understand how 2Pacs mum is still doing business with Suge ... does she know this ???
Damn i looked everywhere 4 that Rolling stone mag b4 i went into work 2day (and i work in the middle of a city) and the only thing i could find was a rolling stone with destinys child on the front and no Suge/2Pac article Is this last months European version or what Does any1 know ??? it was dated 24 may
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ohh thats so horrible ... i just been thinking y'know how it was meant to be a guy called Orlando who killed Pac , i was always thought it was him until i read this post ( i have'nt read the article yet) but now its kinda got me to think .... firstly it was all supposed start with some crip guy stealing a death row guy s chain but now that i've thought about it they coulda just made that shit up !!! i never thought of it like that b4 , then fuck it that whole story bout the Orlando guy was probably made up .. i mean it was only Death Row employees that gave that sort of evidence ... and if alot of them said it and there was really no one to disagree with them .... but i still don't understand why Suge would KILL Pac i mean even if he was gonna leave the Row Why kill him ?He didn't kill Snoop or Dre ..
"and yes the murder of tupac goes much deeper than just wanting to make money off pac's unreleased music."
This bit i really don't understand ...
... Also i don't understand how 2Pacs mum is still doing business with Suge ... does she know this ???
Damn i looked everywhere 4 that Rolling stone mag b4 i went into work 2day (and i work in the middle of a city) and the only thing i could find was a rolling stone with destinys child on the front and no Suge/2Pac article Is this last months European version or what Does any1 know ??? it was dated 24 may
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I don't know if anyone else mentioned it yey but Suge told Pac not to wear his bullet proof vest. For what? He wore it all the time. Why now all of a sudden he was told not to wear it?
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Actually pac's bodygaurd said pac rarely wore his vest and he had to beg him to wear it. Suge probably told him not to wear it because it was probably hot.
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yo yo peep this brothers and sisters
i live in torornto and we get the rolling stone article,
i was at blockbuster ( video store), and tehy sell magazines, so i browes thru them and i saw the rolling stone wit the rock on the cover and at the top of the cover it said THE MURDER OF NOTOTRIOUS BIG- SUGE, THE CRIPS AND THE LAPD (or something like that_) i didnt buy the magazine, but i read the entire muthaphukkin thing right there,
im sorry but there was 2 much facts and info for me to post but here are SOME of the key points
- there were dozens of LAPD cops who had a higher allegiance to suge knight and the bloods
- the police sketch of big's suspect is identcal to a man named amir muhamed, who is a friend of david mack, a cop/blood friend of suge
- snoop, after the 1998 incident, when he got chin checked by some of suges boys after a concert, told cops at the station that he knew hwo killed pac. who said the cops, snoop replied it was suge.
i walked home 20 min after i left the store, that shit creeped me out, fuck suge fuck that muthaphukka
i hope he burns in hell,
you know what?
why doesnt snoop get sum long beach crips to X out suge??????????
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Cause Snoop ain't stupid and wants to live to aee another day.
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whats chin checked ?
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Just means beaten up
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Snoop was beaten by Death Row guys in 98 when he was on No Limit!!! I didn't know that, poor Snoop .......
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I'm surprised Dre didn't get a ass whoopin'. I guess because he is more careful when he is out in public.
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snoop aint stupid..he isnt going to try to kill anybody....he is movin on...God is watchin..suge will have his day.....and if it was found out that snoop had suge killed......all hell would break lose between bloods and crips......
lots of bloods listen to snoops CD and all he brags about is crip....so they would be upset........and besides.....Nobody is going to mess with Snoop.....the good thing about him being down with Master P........Now snoop has lots of Luvv on the WEst Coast...and he has luvv down south.......master p ran the south..and he is still huge down there..and snoop will always be down with No limit and their soldiers....and u know No Limit, and the whole damn South will bring heat.....but it wont come to that....snoop is a positive brotha now....
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Alright... I finally bought tha magazine....
Mellow Man: I just wanted to get this straight... I aint one of them Death Row dick riders who REFUSES to believe Suge could have anything to do with 2pac's death. I'm my own person... neither Death Row, Snoop or Dr Dre have any affect on tha way I see things. I'm not a Death Row fan, not a Snoop Fan, not an Eazy E fan.... I'm a West Coast/ Gangsta Rap fan... any of them muthafuckers come out with a hit then I'ma bump it.
on tha article:
All it said about the whole Suge plottin on killing 2pac was what I had already heard.... and all they gave to back it up was Snoop's, Frank Alexander's (2pac's bodygaurd) and Kevin Hackie's opinions on Suge. They all said "Suge was perfectly capable of taking the chance he would be shot in order to cover up his involvement in the murder"... I'm not sayin this is bullshit but It just aint enough to change my mind. There's alwayz 2 sides to every Story and I'm pretty sure Snoop, Kevin Hackie, and Frank Alexander dont think much of Suge so you can't rely on their word 100%
Something I did get out of the article was that I do think Ex Officer David Mack had something to do with Biggie's murder. The evidence they had on David Mack was enough to make me believe; the black Impala, He took the day off of work the day Biggie died, and people saw him outside the building where Biggie got shot. They didn't have evidence like that on 2pac's murder though... pure speculation.
So, I aint saying Suge couldn't have anything to do with 2pac's death.... I'm just sayin that there aint enough evidence to try to put it on him so whenever this subject comes up I just keep my mouth shut. Actually, It's starting to bother me when this subject comes up.... people are alwayz tryna put more into shit than what is already there.... just like when people try to say 2pac is still alive... I hate that shit.
Still... nothin but respect for all of you and what you all want to believe...
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hmmm i still have'nt got the bloody article livin' here can realy suck sometimes lol >:( but any way i was just thinking if Suge did have something to do with Pacs death then why did he start telling Pacs bodyguard "that he should have had his fucking gun"
If anyone has that book "Got your back" by Frank Alexsander u'll know what i'm talking about its in chapter 18
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I'mma lazy fool .I still ain't copped it. Most of y'all said what was gonna be on it so its all good.