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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: KURUPTION-81 on February 18, 2008, 08:13:59 AM
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Not suprised there is no hip hop albums, i still get the impression that people over here dont consider it "real music"
This is a full list of the 50 Best Ever British Albums as voted for in a poll conducted by Q magazine and HMV:
1. Definitely Maybe - Oasis
2. (What's The Story) Morning Glory? - Oasis
3. OK Computer - Radiohead
4. Revolver - The Beatles
5. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
6. Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
7. London Calling - The Clash
8. Under The Iron Sea - Keane
9. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd
10. Urban Hymns - The Verve
11. The Bends - Radiohead
12. Abbey Road - The Beatles
13. Hopes And Fears - Keane
14. Don't Believe The Truth - Oasis
15. Violator - Depeche Mode
16. The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths
17. A Night At The Opera - Queen
18. Whatever People Say I Am - Arctic Monkeys
19. The White Album - The Beatles
20. Never Mind The B******s - Sex Pistols
21. Rubber Soul - The Beatles
22. Be Here Now - Oasis
23. Absolution - Muse
24. Rio - Duran Duran
25. Parklife - Blur
26. A Rush Of Blood To The Head - Coldplay
27. The Holy Bible - Manic Street Preachers
28. Origin Of Symmetry - Muse
29. IV - Led Zeppelin
30. The Wall - Pink Floyd
31. Up The Bracket - The Libertines
32. X&Y - Coldplay
33. Who's Next - The Who
34. Black Holes And Revelations - Muse
35. Back To Black - Amy Winehouse
36. Songs Of Faith And Devotion - Depeche Mode
37. Word Gets Around - Stereophonics
38. The Fat Of The Land - Prodigy
39. Different Class - Pulp
40. In Rainbows - Radiohead
41. Hunky Dory - David Bowie
42. Favourite Worst Nightmare - Arctic Monkeys
43. Everything Must Go - Manic Street Preachers
44. Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
45. Behaviour - Pet Shop Boys
46. Ziggy Stardust - David Bowie
47. Parachutes - Coldplay
48. Exile On Main Street - Rolling Stones
49. Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division
50. Let It Bleed - Rolling Stones
http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/music/news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=7563336
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are there many british hip hop acts?
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Oasis at the #1 and #2 spot? Ridiculous. There's really good albums on the list though.
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are there many british hip hop acts?
Thre are surprisingly quite a few but none are particularly well known. I can't stand british rap because I don't like the accent of them rapping because I'm used to American rap.. And I am from England. ???
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That's a hilariously shit list.
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That's a hilariously shit list.
Come come now... A Night At The Opera maybe should have been put higher, and Oasis damn sure aren't that good, but the Brits tend to think otherwise.
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Oasis at the #1 and #2 spot? Ridiculous. There's really good albums on the list though.
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Lmao Oasis over Beatles, Oasis over Pink Floyd, Oasis over CLash. I aint even a rock fan and i can tell you this list is fucked up. DOnt think there is any really good UK albums, maybe Skinnyman or Dizzee Rascal's Boy in Da Corner. But overall didnt expect to see any british urban acts. Maybe a Gorrillaz album coulda been up there cause they're dope
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Lmao Oasis over Beatles, Oasis over Pink Floyd, Oasis over CLash. I aint even a rock fan and i can tell you this list is fucked up. DOnt think there is any really good UK albums, maybe Skinnyman or Dizzee Rascal's Boy in Da Corner. But overall didnt expect to see any british urban acts. Maybe a Gorrillaz album coulda been up there cause they're dope
LMFAO. I sure hope you didn't really expect to see Skinnyman or Dizzee Rascal on there. And it's a common fact that Oasis is grossly overrated by the British audience... But other than that, how is this list really fucked up? The whole thing is filled with timeless classics!
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Not suprised there is no hip hop albums, i still get the impression that people over here dont consider it "real music"
FOR THE MOST PART HIP HOP SUCKS AND I WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT MUSIC EITHER.
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the beatles are more over rated than oasis imo
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There are a lot of great albums on the list but there is some stuff on there which doesn't fit, mostly the recent stuff. The order just seems way off.
But I haven't heard most of the albums on there so what the fuck do I know. :laugh:
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i love oasis, and the brits at one point had the most amazing albums of the decade (60s) so beatles, zep, stones, floyd should rule the top 20-30, then we got room for oasis, radiohead, coldplay, all the rest..........
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Lmao Oasis over Beatles, Oasis over Pink Floyd, Oasis over CLash. I aint even a rock fan and i can tell you this list is fucked up. DOnt think there is any really good UK albums, maybe Skinnyman or Dizzee Rascal's Boy in Da Corner. But overall didnt expect to see any british urban acts. Maybe a Gorrillaz album coulda been up there cause they're dope
LMFAO. I sure hope you didn't really expect to see Skinnyman or Dizzee Rascal on there. And it's a common fact that Oasis is grossly overrated by the British audience... But other than that, how is this list really fucked up? The whole thing is filled with timeless classics!
I don't think he really did expect that. I don't see how any British hiphop I've evere heard could make such a list. As for the rest, it's not that bad a list although stuff like Keane in the top 10, boring ass X&Y on here at all or "Urban Hymns" > "Abbey Road" is just :loco: IMHO, but you never agree fully with such lists.
And as for Oasis, yes, they're blown outta proportion on here and no way they made the two best British albums ever, but don't hate. Those were two pretty good pop albums
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And as for Oasis, yes, they're blown outta proportion on here and no way they made the two best British albums ever, but don't hate. Those were two pretty good pop albums
oasis are indie aren't they?
thought joy division unknown pleasures would have been higher, awesome album
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all of those albums are great albums , but the placement and rank of them are all wrong.
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Dark Side of The Moon only #9??
i hated Keane as well... ::)
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cant believe keane are in that list, they are terrible
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Oasis at the #1 and #2 spot? Ridiculous. There's really good albums on the list though.
I would like to see some more Led Zeppelin tough
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cant believe keane are in that list, they are terrible
and oasis is amazing, arguably the best band in the 90s/00s other than radiohead. also david bowie's hundy dory at 42? the man who sold the world didnt even make it! artictic monkeys WPSITWIN deserves to be on the list but above white album!?! also favorite worse nightmare def doesnt, shit is so wattever....cream??the animals? the KINKS!!! the hollies? VAN MORRISON?!? (hes irish so i still think you should count him) , U2?? ... w/e magazines cant make lists and def shouldnt number albums
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Some of the order and choices are absurd, but hey that's usually what happens when a group of people compile a list. Why would Van Morrison and U2 be on the the Top 50 British albums?
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i just clump all of them together, europe is just one big island for me, also van is from northern ireland which is uk's, so wouldnt that could
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europe is just one big island for me
:eh:
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lmao @ some of the statements white boy made here :D
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NO STREETS!!!! :o
original pirate material and a grand dont come for free are unbelievable albums
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I like those Muse, Radiohead, Oasis, and The Arctic Monkeys albums but not enough to put ahead of Pink Floyd, The Beatles, and Zeppelin. Where the fuck is Black Sabbath - 'Master Of Reality' and 'Paranoid'?
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^ good call, paranoid is a def top 25,
john lennon - plastic oko band & imagine
fleetwood mac - rumors
oh, and im glad someone mentioned the streets, they should be in like top 15
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Actually agree with Oasis at 1 and 2. Oasis changed my life. lol
Some classic albums on there for sure.
And Oasis are by no stretch of the imagination "Pop".
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NO STREETS!!!! :o
original pirate material and a grand dont come for free are unbelievable albums
forgot about that!
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lol at some of white boy's posts: Not trying to offend you, but why should you consider an Irish album British? Do you consider Canadian albums US-American or Russian albums Chinese because the countries border each other? But you're correct about Northern Ireland having to count. And it's called "Plastic Ono Band" by the way...but you get a prop for mentioning it :)
And Oasis are by no stretch of the imagination "Pop".
of course they are. i won't charge you with anything before i'm sure, but somehow on internet forums and also elsewhere, there is a widespread notion that labelling something or someone "pop" is implicitly derogatory. Pop is short for "popular music"; Radiohead are an elaborate pop band. 50 Cent is a pop star. The Beatles are pop icons. I usually call something "pop" when I don't see it in another clearly definable category. Like I said, Oasis' first 2 albums were great pop albums. "Definitely Maybe" had a slightly post-grungy post-shoegazing post-post-punk rock feel to it, "Morning Glory" developed this into a more intricate and sophisticated style, inserting elements from other genres, and at the same time including some very mass-appealing production ("Wonderwall", "Don't Look Back in Anger")......not feeling like digging too deep into that type of stuff, you can refer to this music as pop and there's no need to stretch your imagination the slightest bit. And I guess you have heard the term "Britpop", which Oasis are commonly associated with.
As for the streets, dude is great, but just not big enough to compete with the legends and superstars up there. Dizzee Rascal, fuhgeddaboutit
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from an english perspective id have the streets "a grand dont cum 4 free"and dizzees "boy in the corner" in
without the streets.....lily allen,mitchell brothers,kate nash etc wouldnt have broke through imo....Skinner pretty much encapsulated the english/cockney wide boy
same for Dizzee...between him and wiley dey basically created a new style and genre...
for these reasons and the music in its own right they should be up there...not nesecarrily in the high end but in there somewhere no doubt...i mean i couldnt tell the difference listenin to some of the bands listening and id rather the list was built on innovation and the effect an album made
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lol at some of white boy's posts: Not trying to offend you, but why should you consider an Irish album British? Do you consider Canadian albums US-American or Russian albums Chinese because the countries border each other? But you're correct about Northern Ireland having to count. And it's called "Plastic Ono Band" by the way...but you get a prop for mentioning it :)
And Oasis are by no stretch of the imagination "Pop".
of course they are. i won't charge you with anything before i'm sure, but somehow on internet forums and also elsewhere, there is a widespread notion that labelling something or someone "pop" is implicitly derogatory. Pop is short for "popular music"; Radiohead are an elaborate pop band. 50 Cent is a pop star. The Beatles are pop icons. I usually call something "pop" when I don't see it in another clearly definable category. Like I said, Oasis' first 2 albums were great pop albums. "Definitely Maybe" had a slightly post-grungy post-shoegazing post-post-punk rock feel to it, "Morning Glory" developed this into a more intricate and sophisticated style, inserting elements from other genres, and at the same time including some very mass-appealing production ("Wonderwall", "Don't Look Back in Anger")......not feeling like digging too deep into that type of stuff, you can refer to this music as pop and there's no need to stretch your imagination the slightest bit. And I guess you have heard the term "Britpop", which Oasis are commonly associated with.
As for the streets, dude is great, but just not big enough to compete with the legends and superstars up there. Dizzee Rascal, fuhgeddaboutit
Hmm, my apologies. I thought you were trying to be derogatory, clearly not the case. *Retracts statement*
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from an english perspective id have the streets "a grand dont cum 4 free"and dizzees "boy in the corner" in
in trerms of music and not the actual impact it had, skinnyman's council estate of mind is better than both.
If one uk hip hop album deserves to be on the list its that.
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I had no idea people loved Keane so much, seems weird to me.
In any case. I really saw that list coming a mile away. I expected radiohead and oasis in the top 20 with every fuckin beatles album rounding out the top 10.
and to add fuel to the Pop argument. Theres the growth of pop as a genre of indie, basically all the really happy light sounding music such as Architecture in Helsinki, Belle and Sebastian, I'm From Barcelona, Pipas, Polyphonic Spree and so on.
Pop is awesome term as it can apply to anything and is really only a matter of interpretation.
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Is it just me that thought that a Gorrillaz album deserved to be on there? I dunno cause im not a big fan of rock and to me groups like Libertines are good but not anythin i havent seen before. Plus Original Pirate Material is a crazy album, def one of the classic British albums on the 21st century.
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Van Morrison is from Belfast, therefore he could have been on the list
Only one Blur album on the list, Keane at number 8, and Oasis being at both 1 & 2, thats just some of the things wrong with the list
Stone Roses should have been ahead Definitely Maybe & Whats the Story IMO
No Paul Weller or The Jam and only one Verve album
OK Computer at number 3 and no Pablo Honey ???
Yet another poor 'greatest' list IMO
Some good albums but it could and should have been so much better
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And as for Oasis, yes, they're blown outta proportion on here and no way they made the two best British albums ever, but don't hate. Those were two pretty good pop albums
oasis are indie aren't they?
thought joy division unknown pleasures would have been higher, awesome album
joy division are amazing
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and to add fuel to the Pop argument. Theres the growth of pop as a genre of indie, basically all the really happy light sounding music such as Architecture in Helsinki, Belle and Sebastian, I'm From Barcelona, Pipas, Polyphonic Spree and so on.
Pop is awesome term as it can apply to anything and is really only a matter of interpretation.
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Is it just me that thought that a Gorrillaz album deserved to be on there? I dunno cause im not a big fan of rock and to me groups like Libertines are good but not anythin i havent seen before. Plus Original Pirate Material is a crazy album, def one of the classic British albums on the 21st century.
I never really got into Gorillaz, but I won't argue because that's a matter of opinion. But what I have to say as a Libertines fan is that the Doherty/Barat style was eclectic, but indeed quite original. As far as guitar-driven rock goes, there wasn't a sound of that intensity and quality since The Clash made London Calling and The Libertines added a great deal of Beatlesque melodies, Britrock-influenced structure and rough poetry to that, making it all into a mix that was not heard before (as far as my education on the subject goes - if you can tell me about a band who did all that before them, I'll definitely check it out). IMHO they were one of the best bands of the 21st century so far and "Up the Bracket" def deserves its spot up there.
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and to add fuel to the Pop argument. Theres the growth of pop as a genre of indie, basically all the really happy light sounding music such as Architecture in Helsinki, Belle and Sebastian, I'm From Barcelona, Pipas, Polyphonic Spree and so on.
Pop is awesome term as it can apply to anything and is really only a matter of interpretation.
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Is it just me that thought that a Gorrillaz album deserved to be on there? I dunno cause im not a big fan of rock and to me groups like Libertines are good but not anythin i havent seen before. Plus Original Pirate Material is a crazy album, def one of the classic British albums on the 21st century.
I never really got into Gorillaz, but I won't argue because that's a matter of opinion. But what I have to say as a Libertines fan is that the Doherty/Barat style was eclectic, but indeed quite original. As far as guitar-driven rock goes, there wasn't a sound of that intensity and quality since The Clash made London Calling and The Libertines added a great deal of Beatlesque melodies, Britrock-influenced structure and rough poetry to that, making it all into a mix that was not heard before (as far as my education on the subject goes - if you can tell me about a band who did all that before them, I'll definitely check it out). IMHO they were one of the best bands of the 21st century so far and "Up the Bracket" def deserves its spot up there.
True Story. Also agree with "The Deli" (for the first, and probably last?) time, Not a single Jam, Style council or Weller album? I had to re check the list to make sure that was right. What is the criteria for the list? Quality of music, mainstream appeal or cultural impact or what?
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What is the criteria for the list? Quality of music, mainstream appeal or cultural impact or what?
as voted for in a poll conducted by Q magazine and HMV
....so basically it's just their readers' personal favorites
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libertines are dope as fuck, i like babyshambles as well
as far as radiohead goes, most consider pablo honey their worst, i like it, but id put the bends and ok computer ahead, plus id put kid a ahead also , even tho i dont like it that much
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^^Yeah i think you'd be struggling to find a best of list that includes Pablo Honey.
I don't have a problem with the order because the results are very reflective of what is still prominent in today's British music circles, and after all it is a British poll.
If you take a look at how the poll was formed you'd be able to see that it was never going to be a credible list from an outside point of view. Firstly Q has a Rock/Indie orientation therefore fans of hip hop/heavier music wouldn't buy the magazine, therefore wouldn't be voting for their style of music. HMV on the other hand are a major distributor of top 40/commercial tunes, which probably accounts for how Keane polled so high.
Secondly the British public are very fickle when it comes to their music. It's quite rare that a new release will hold on to the number one spot for more than 3wks, so if this poll was to happen in another 5 years the outcome would be a lot different to what polled this time. Mind you it could have been worse.. could have been a NME poll
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no new order ???