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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Snoopafly-1986 on March 17, 2008, 02:28:51 PM
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respect everybodys opinion but wasn't Snoop all over last week
TRL
BET
Letterman
Conan
just a few that I heard and he would probably be on Leno if he was in town but I guess he spent alot of time in NY to do these shows
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I think his die hearted fans just gave up on him...who would believe rick ross beatin snoop in album sales wow
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promotion is a lil more then just tv appreances.. he had a top 10 hit..which was also focused on a different audience.. the amount of people that i know that didnt know the album name was pathetic.. yet again.. interscope and geffen fail
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On top of that, he had the top rated reality show on E! Network for the past 3 months leading up to the release of Ego Trippin'. What more could've he asked for?
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he was even on larry king. :)
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Snoop definatly had tons of promotion for the new album. Hes the only rapper out to do all those shows plus has his own TV show on. Its ashame the album isnt selling well, I really thought it would sell more than BCT. I think all his REAL fans werent buying into the whole "Sexual Seduction" thing and the 80,000 people buying his album right now are prolly mostly newer fans hes made.
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it's not the promotion
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he had a shit load of promo
all over TV past few months, was even on Rollingstone cover no reason a few months back
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Snoop definatly had tons of promotion for the new album. Hes the only rapper out to do all those shows plus has his own TV show on. Its ashame the album isnt selling well, I really thought it would sell more than BCT. I think all his REAL fans werent buying into the whole "Sexual Seduction" thing and the 80,000 people buying his album right now are prolly mostly newer fans hes made.
yeah I pretty much agree with this
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Am i the only one who think he'll go back to that gangsta shit now because this obiously not sellin? I mean i always wanna hear music from Snoop but he keeps changin what he wanna do every day. It's not a bad thing if it only comes to the music, but a lot of yall probably noticed how lately he been trying lean more towards the "grown image". You'll probably see him Crippin and walkin on BET Awards soon now to get back to that gangsta shit now that his sales are down.
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What's funny is how Doggystyle is his biggest selling album easily and it's an out and out gangsta rap album... and on the last few albums, by trying to have catchy singles, working with Justin Timberlake, etc he must have thought he'd be appealing to more people and could sell more records, but ironically he sold way more not trying to cater to different audiences on Doggystyle and by just making an album that was bumping from top to bottom
Same with 50 Cent, he had sooooo much visibility during his Curtis promotion, you couldn't have not heard about his and Kanye's album, but he still didn't sell too much. He tried getting with Justin Timberlake, having different types of songs, but didn't sell anywhere near his first album, which again ironically was just some straight hard beats and rhymes (In Da Club was popular in the clubs, but the beat wasn't your typical club beat), and with that first album he wasn't trying to cross over
So what's the answer? Just make something that bumps hard on every track and stop trying to cross over by making 20 different styles of track as if your album is some marketing exercise where you're trying to appeal to target markets x, y, and z and so really you don't please anyone
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i think promotion was good but late, i think he should have promoted it earlier to build a buzz before it dropped. the only thing we knew for so long was that it was called ego trippin which isnt a very marketable album name and that he didnt want know features on it...thats nothing to build a buzz off apart from some internet groupies. Then he drops his new single i think which blew up but at the same time people werent buying into that shit whilst diggin it, everyone knows his album aint gon be on a sensual seduction tip,lol...I also feel his last album contributed to the weak first week sales of this album, his last album was on some amatuer shit, i'm sure half the cats who bought that album will not buy this even though this is much better in many ways even if its less gangsta. Snoops next album is his 10th solo so i'm sure he'll be on some gangsta shit on that album, would be great if it was just him and dre hookin back up for his tenth, whatever will happen, it'll be a big thang
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What's funny is how Doggystyle is his biggest selling album easily
Well the answer to that is something we all know, it's the internet. Sure the quality of all the albums being released these days is lower, but that doesn't matter. People buy crap all the time.
Why pay for something which may or may not be decent? Hmm 20$ a CD or free? The simple fact is, why would anyone want to buy a CD? Who even listens to CDs? You take that CD home, rip it onto your ipod and play it on your stereo. Whens the last time you took a CD out of it's case and played it? Never.
Downloading is not only free, it's easier. No driving, no lines, no cash, you don't even need to rip the CD, or even have a CD drive.
Music sales are down for one reason. The internet. That's the only reason. And if their was no internet, 50 Cent, Kanye and Justin Timberlake would have sold billions of albums. Crappy music, for crappy people.
I'd never buy a CD. And if a find a decent album, I look far and wide for the Vinyl, which looks better, and may sound better.
20$ for 20 tracks, of which you may like 5 of them. 4$ a song. And for some albums like Curtis, you might not even like any of the songs. So you payed 20$ for nothing.
Artists and Labels need to get with the fucking program and stop selling CD's. No one buys them, and why would they start? The business will never move back. The only logical thing to do is start selling digital albums. Sell the album directly through itunes or myspace. Or even sell in stores a small little "flashdrive" of the albums, like a small little stick with the 20 mp3s on it.
Just think, 10$ for a new snoop album, directly off myspace. No label, all money goes to Snoop. That's where the business should be going. Cheap downloads. Of course people will still rip off the artist off, but at least it'll be cheap enough people will support their favorite artist.
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yeah snoop has been everywhere...his promotion 4 this album was on point
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What's funny is how Doggystyle is his biggest selling album easily
Well the answer to that is something we all know, it's the internet. Sure the quality of all the albums being released these days is lower, but that doesn't matter. People buy crap all the time.
Why pay for something which may or may not be decent? Hmm 20$ a CD or free? The simple fact is, why would anyone want to buy a CD? Who even listens to CDs? You take that CD home, rip it onto your ipod and play it on your stereo. Whens the last time you took a CD out of it's case and played it? Never.
Downloading is not only free, it's easier. No driving, no lines, no cash, you don't even need to rip the CD, or even have a CD drive.
Music sales are down for one reason. The internet. That's the only reason. And if their was no internet, 50 Cent, Kanye and Justin Timberlake would have sold billions of albums. Crappy music, for crappy people.
I'd never buy a CD. And if a find a decent album, I look far and wide for the Vinyl, which looks better, and may sound better.
20$ for 20 tracks, of which you may like 5 of them. 4$ a song. And for some albums like Curtis, you might not even like any of the songs. So you payed 20$ for nothing.
I agree, though with Snoop he went from 6 million to around 1-2 for all his subsequent albums, and the internet thing has only really really started to hurt for the last couple of years. But yeah, even if he did bring out an album as good as Doggystyle, it wouldn't sell nearly as much with today's market with everyone getting everything for free
Artists and Labels need to get with the fucking program and stop selling CD's. No one buys them, and why would they start? The business will never move back.
I'd personally prefer to see it move back - Japan are going to start kicking people off the internet who are downloading ( http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15/japanese-isps-to-ban-file-sharers/ ) which Europe are also going to be doing. If it works it would probably be implemented in the US too
The only logical thing to do is start selling digital albums. Sell the album directly through itunes or myspace. Or even sell in stores a small little "flashdrive" of the albums, like a small little stick with the 20 mp3s on it.
Just think, 10$ for a new snoop album, directly off myspace. No label, all money goes to Snoop. That's where the business should be going. Cheap downloads. Of course people will still rip off the artist off, but at least it'll be cheap enough people will support their favorite artist.
This has a load of problems. First off, if I want to pay money for an album, I'd want a physical copy, not just download the same mp3s that I can download for free anyway. People won't start paying for stuff again just because it's now digital. And they already sell digital albums, you can get stuff on iTunes, it hasn't helped. 'All the money goes to Snoop' isn't realistic either, the label puts up the money for the studio time, the videos, the promotion, the marketing, etc etc etc so they have to get paid
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Snoop had way more promotion for this album than he did for Blue Carpet. Plus, when Blue Carpet dropped he was going up against Jay-Z and The Game at the same time, and he still sold more. Who woulda thought Rick Ross would be outselling Snoop right now? And Snoop only selling 50,000 more than Fat Joe? C'mon!
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Snoop also came out on Black Friday week last time out so those sales are inflated
I think Jayz sold 700k that week
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Snoop had way more promotion for this album than he did for Blue Carpet. Plus, when Blue Carpet dropped he was going up against Jay-Z and The Game at the same time, and he still sold more. Who woulda thought Rick Ross would be outselling Snoop right now? And Snoop only selling 50,000 more than Fat Joe? C'mon!
He didnt sell more than Game or Jay-Z fuck are u talking about? Jay sold the most outta em, then Game and then Snoop.
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^ I think he ment first week sales, not total... Snoop sold like 200K first week out
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What's funny is how Doggystyle is his biggest selling album easily
Well the answer to that is something we all know, it's the internet. Sure the quality of all the albums being released these days is lower, but that doesn't matter. People buy crap all the time.
Why pay for something which may or may not be decent? Hmm 20$ a CD or free? The simple fact is, why would anyone want to buy a CD? Who even listens to CDs? You take that CD home, rip it onto your ipod and play it on your stereo. Whens the last time you took a CD out of it's case and played it? Never.
Downloading is not only free, it's easier. No driving, no lines, no cash, you don't even need to rip the CD, or even have a CD drive.
Music sales are down for one reason. The internet. That's the only reason. And if their was no internet, 50 Cent, Kanye and Justin Timberlake would have sold billions of albums. Crappy music, for crappy people.
I'd never buy a CD. And if a find a decent album, I look far and wide for the Vinyl, which looks better, and may sound better.
20$ for 20 tracks, of which you may like 5 of them. 4$ a song. And for some albums like Curtis, you might not even like any of the songs. So you payed 20$ for nothing.
Artists and Labels need to get with the fucking program and stop selling CD's. No one buys them, and why would they start? The business will never move back. The only logical thing to do is start selling digital albums. Sell the album directly through itunes or myspace. Or even sell in stores a small little "flashdrive" of the albums, like a small little stick with the 20 mp3s on it.
Just think, 10$ for a new snoop album, directly off myspace. No label, all money goes to Snoop. That's where the business should be going. Cheap downloads. Of course people will still rip off the artist off, but at least it'll be cheap enough people will support their favorite artist.
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Gotti Valentino is tha Shiznit! ;D
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What's funny is how Doggystyle is his biggest selling album easily
Well the answer to that is something we all know, it's the internet. Sure the quality of all the albums being released these days is lower, but that doesn't matter. People buy crap all the time.
Why pay for something which may or may not be decent? Hmm 20$ a CD or free? The simple fact is, why would anyone want to buy a CD? Who even listens to CDs? You take that CD home, rip it onto your ipod and play it on your stereo. Whens the last time you took a CD out of it's case and played it? Never.
Downloading is not only free, it's easier. No driving, no lines, no cash, you don't even need to rip the CD, or even have a CD drive.
Music sales are down for one reason. The internet. That's the only reason. And if their was no internet, 50 Cent, Kanye and Justin Timberlake would have sold billions of albums. Crappy music, for crappy people.
I'd never buy a CD. And if a find a decent album, I look far and wide for the Vinyl, which looks better, and may sound better.
20$ for 20 tracks, of which you may like 5 of them. 4$ a song. And for some albums like Curtis, you might not even like any of the songs. So you payed 20$ for nothing.
Artists and Labels need to get with the fucking program and stop selling CD's. No one buys them, and why would they start? The business will never move back. The only logical thing to do is start selling digital albums. Sell the album directly through itunes or myspace. Or even sell in stores a small little "flashdrive" of the albums, like a small little stick with the 20 mp3s on it.
Just think, 10$ for a new snoop album, directly off myspace. No label, all money goes to Snoop. That's where the business should be going. Cheap downloads. Of course people will still rip off the artist off, but at least it'll be cheap enough people will support their favorite artist.
i ain't have to say nothing,you hit it right one the head, i mean you can love your favorite artist to death,but say you want to save gas,or buy some shirt you seen at the mall,etc, and you got 60$, you want the ricc ross,fat joe,and snoop album,yet you want that shirt to right then and there? shit in that case you gonna be like i can have em all for 60,i'll buy the shirt and go home and download the albums,you probably say i'll buy them at a later date,but then in that time something new comes out,plus you see something else you want! it's that simple,and the king is right sale it off your myspace page and make them chipper jones your self,snoop is big enough to do it. it's about doing live shows and everything else now a days, or they should just create a new system to play music on,make it shiny slap a nice price tag on it, the rappers will brag about it,then everyone will want to go out and have the new shit,say it makes the sound clearer or some shit,trust me it will work in time, just like the cd did, we live in a time when we are quicc to throw shit away so people would be with it yell
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^ I think he ment first week sales, not total... Snoop sold like 200K first week out
Yeah and Game sold like 380K first out. Snoop still haven't sold more.
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You have to also consider the economy right now... people are paying almost $4 for a gallon of gas. Buying a CD is probably not high on a lot of people's lists. It's not just Snoop. Look at the NOW compilation. Those NOW cd's usually do crazy numbers.
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no doubt styles,all that is to be considered yell
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^ I think he ment first week sales, not total... Snoop sold like 200K first week out
Yeah and Game sold like 380K first out. Snoop still haven't sold more.
Game dropped the 2nd week in Nov. 2006 @ 359,000 1st week sales.
Jay & Snoop dropped the 3rd week in Nov. 2006 @ 680,000 & 264,000 respectively, the 1st week out.
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Snoop had way more promotion for this album than he did for Blue Carpet. Plus, when Blue Carpet dropped he was going up against Jay-Z and The Game at the same time, and he still sold more. Who woulda thought Rick Ross would be outselling Snoop right now? And Snoop only selling 50,000 more than Fat Joe? C'mon!
He didnt sell more than Game or Jay-Z fuck are u talking about? Jay sold the most outta em, then Game and then Snoop.
I meant he sold more with BCT than Ego Trippin , relax!
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What's funny is how Doggystyle is his biggest selling album easily
Well the answer to that is something we all know, it's the internet. Sure the quality of all the albums being released these days is lower, but that doesn't matter. People buy crap all the time.
Why pay for something which may or may not be decent? Hmm 20$ a CD or free? The simple fact is, why would anyone want to buy a CD? Who even listens to CDs? You take that CD home, rip it onto your ipod and play it on your stereo. Whens the last time you took a CD out of it's case and played it? Never.
Downloading is not only free, it's easier. No driving, no lines, no cash, you don't even need to rip the CD, or even have a CD drive.
Music sales are down for one reason. The internet. That's the only reason. And if their was no internet, 50 Cent, Kanye and Justin Timberlake would have sold billions of albums. Crappy music, for crappy people.
I'd never buy a CD. And if a find a decent album, I look far and wide for the Vinyl, which looks better, and may sound better.
20$ for 20 tracks, of which you may like 5 of them. 4$ a song. And for some albums like Curtis, you might not even like any of the songs. So you payed 20$ for nothing.
Artists and Labels need to get with the fucking program and stop selling CD's. No one buys them, and why would they start? The business will never move back. The only logical thing to do is start selling digital albums. Sell the album directly through itunes or myspace. Or even sell in stores a small little "flashdrive" of the albums, like a small little stick with the 20 mp3s on it.
Just think, 10$ for a new snoop album, directly off myspace. No label, all money goes to Snoop. That's where the business should be going. Cheap downloads. Of course people will still rip off the artist off, but at least it'll be cheap enough people will support their favorite artist.
word...dude is exactly right
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I'd want a physical copy
I hear you their man, that's why Vinyl is such a great alternative. Either way, I doubt the economy is a huge problem. It's just the fact that, too many CD's are released, and 20$ for each is unreasonable. Back in the 90's, their would be like one or two "must have" albums a year. Now it seems like every week a big name artist releases something.
Whens the last time you actually told people to go buy an album? Chronic 2001? The fact that most albums aren't worth buying is a huge problem. Theirs no doubt in my mind if Michael Jackson, or Dr.Dre or some huge artist released a good album, it would sell 3-4 million. Anticipated albums. The Game, Snoop, Jay-Z, 50 Cent, It's all boring, they release an album every year. They have to over flood the market to make a profit. It's a bad cycle. Can't sell well, so you release more albums, which will sell worse and worse. It's better to release 5 mediocre albums in 5 years and sell 500,000 each, then 1 great album every 5 years and sell a few million.
And usually when a truly great album comes out that you'd want to buy, (like "Guilty by Affiliation" for example) you can't even find it in most stores.
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Most major first to two week releases by big name artists are sold between $10 - 15 at Wal-Mart, Target and Best Buy.
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I'd want a physical copy
I hear you their man, that's why Vinyl is such a great alternative. Either way, I doubt the economy is a huge problem. It's just the fact that, too many CD's are released, and 20$ for each is unreasonable.
Well yeah, 20$ is totally unreasonable when you can get it for free - I still think bringing down the price to say $10 wouldn't help - if you can get it for free, you'll still get it for free, there is still no incentive to buy it. Back when the only possible way to get the music was to pay $20 then people would and they did, there were milion+ selling albums for ages
Back in the 90's, their would be like one or two "must have" albums a year. Now it seems like every week a big name artist releases something.
Yeah, I completely agree there is way too much product out there now, and too much low quality product. What I find funny is when artists put out free mixtapes and it's like, yo this is free, it's for the people, and it's like, well everything now is free, so that's not the problem - the problem is I only have so many hours in a day and I haven't listened to the 1000 free mixtapes I already have, plus the 1000 albums that were released this year along with all the classic shit that I still haven't caught up on fully. So that mixtape better be completely off the chain for me to take notice
Whens the last time you actually told people to go buy an album? Chronic 2001? The fact that most albums aren't worth buying is a huge problem. Theirs no doubt in my mind if Michael Jackson, or Dr.Dre or some huge artist released a good album, it would sell 3-4 million. Anticipated albums. The Game, Snoop, Jay-Z, 50 Cent, It's all boring, they release an album every year. They have to over flood the market to make a profit. It's a bad cycle. Can't sell well, so you release more albums, which will sell worse and worse. It's better to release 5 mediocre albums in 5 years and sell 500,000 each, then 1 great album every 5 years and sell a few million.
Co-sign
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i have not seen any commercials
but whats
REALLY sad
is that snoop in his first week sold more than ghostfaces big doe rehab now thast sad cuz big doe rehab is better
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crooked is the reason Snoops sales went down!@!! ;D
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I'm still laughing at the notion of "bad promotion." Snoop was live on WWE television tonight promoting the album in person. That alone is millions of viewers.
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this is what he gets for ego trippin...
going to mtv, trl, conan, letterman, the view, ellen, wwe, etc wont help if you're making music for a crowd that doesn't care about you.
btw, personally i would buy alot more albums if the price did go down - im never gonna waste my money on mp3 downloads, because i want the physical booklet and the physical case for my collection. 10 bucks would be aight... 5 bucks would really get me to the store though ;D. moot point for snoop, though, because i thought ego trippin was garbage.
here comes another -1 for this post... lol ive lost 15 karma in the past week just cause people on this board cant stand to hear someone badmouth their idol
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It's not how you start but how you finish.
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thats true, but i dont see alot of successful singles left on the album.
people like justin timberlake and fergie spent months in the top 10 because of the amount of material they were able to put out (in addition to the nature of their fanbases). Snoop's second single flopping (its early, but i cant see it doing well) = hell be lucky to get a third, and almost certainly wont get a fourth.
im surprised his reality show didnt do more to boost sales. how are his ratings?
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I'm still laughing at the notion of "bad promotion." Snoop was live on WWE television tonight promoting the album in person. That alone is millions of viewers.
^Right. And every morning before Ego Trippin dropped, I would hear an ad for Snoop's Ego Trippin' on Power 106 to buy it on iTunes or in the store.
But like cats were saying in here, it's because of the internet & high prices for the CDs that drive people away from buying it. If it was only available on iTunes or through MySpace it would give people incentive to buy it rather than bootleg it.
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thats true, but i dont see alot of successful singles left on the album.
people like justin timberlake and fergie spent months in the top 10 because of the amount of material they were able to put out (in addition to the nature of their fanbases). Snoop's second single flopping (its early, but i cant see it doing well) = hell be lucky to get a third, and almost certainly wont get a fourth.
im surprised his reality show didnt do more to boost sales. how are his ratings?
That's true also. SD Is Out or Sets Up might work. Pharrell n Snoop is a good combo when it comes to successfull radio singles.
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SNOOP IS NOT SELLING BECAUSE THE ALBUM IS NOT THAT GOOD SEXUAL ERUPTION IS A BIG HIT BUT I DONT THINK HE HAS ANY MORE SONGS THAT CAN BE BIG SINGLES
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What's funny is how Doggystyle is his biggest selling album easily
Well the answer to that is something we all know, it's the internet. Sure the quality of all the albums being released these days is lower, but that doesn't matter. People buy crap all the time.
Why pay for something which may or may not be decent? Hmm 20$ a CD or free? The simple fact is, why would anyone want to buy a CD? Who even listens to CDs? You take that CD home, rip it onto your ipod and play it on your stereo. Whens the last time you took a CD out of it's case and played it? Never.
Downloading is not only free, it's easier. No driving, no lines, no cash, you don't even need to rip the CD, or even have a CD drive.
Music sales are down for one reason. The internet. That's the only reason. And if their was no internet, 50 Cent, Kanye and Justin Timberlake would have sold billions of albums. Crappy music, for crappy people.
I'd never buy a CD. And if a find a decent album, I look far and wide for the Vinyl, which looks better, and may sound better.
20$ for 20 tracks, of which you may like 5 of them. 4$ a song. And for some albums like Curtis, you might not even like any of the songs. So you payed 20$ for nothing.
Artists and Labels need to get with the fucking program and stop selling CD's. No one buys them, and why would they start? The business will never move back. The only logical thing to do is start selling digital albums. Sell the album directly through itunes or myspace. Or even sell in stores a small little "flashdrive" of the albums, like a small little stick with the 20 mp3s on it.
Just think, 10$ for a new snoop album, directly off myspace. No label, all money goes to Snoop. That's where the business should be going. Cheap downloads. Of course people will still rip off the artist off, but at least it'll be cheap enough people will support their favorite artist.
Yeah really cheap downloads is the only way to go now. And it has to be really cheap, cause U really dont want to pay for something U can get free, but if it really cheap then U´ll buy it to support the artist..It should definately not be a problem to lower the price as well since U leave out all the middle mans ( pressing cds, distribution etc)..
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snoop need to choose the right single!!
Snoop had th choose prees play & sd is out! played on radio, video on tv!! both are dope track!!
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High prices tho? CD's over the years went from 20-25, to 15, to now 10 bucks. You gotta be a cheap mutherfucker to say you cant afford to spend 10 bucks and thats the reason you arent buying the cd.
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SNOOP IS NOT SELLING BECAUSE THE ALBUM IS NOT THAT GOOD SEXUAL ERUPTION IS A BIG HIT BUT I DONT THINK HE HAS ANY MORE SONGS THAT CAN BE BIG SINGLES
Ditto....and unless the artist is actually putting the effort to make a good album...I ain't buying that shit period...regardless of what the price is...Snoop needs to stick with what he does best...making that gangsta shit...I dunno why he's trying to cater so many different people all at once...
Although Cube is getting old...at least he's still keepin it real and sticks to what he does best...he ain't forcing himself to making some bullshit r&b pop country shit just to sell records...I'll probably purchase his album for sure...
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They already sell CDs for $10 and if they sold at $5 they'd need to sell 4 times as much to make the same cash as they do at $20, so they'd still have the same problem!
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I have to admit I am a little surprised at the low sales, I thought he would do "around" 200k but the promotion was more than enough, Snoop has been all over. Everybody knows he has an album out, the economy, the downloading. the mixed reviews are all factors. I think he will go gold but that is about it.
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I blame Snoop Dogg for this..I mean Yes Snoop Dogg is a Big name, but he is over doing himself, so it kills any expectations from him, dude was on everybody's album for the last 2-3 years, from lil shitty artists, to big names, so that killed any expectations. what he had to do was shut the fuck up for like 2 years,so people can miss his music and anticipate the next album. If he keep going that way I expect him to be successful only with his live performances thats the only thing people seems to love from him now.
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Target had a great promotion, $9, and then extra for bonus mp3s last week. I think that Snoop's down in sales is really a result in just the ear of Hip-Hop changing. Jay-Z is popular amoung the over 25 crowd, as with Kanye and Nas, but the under 25 crowd... for the most part, are going Rick Ross, Lil' Wayne and others. With Hip-Hop sales, you need that under 25 ear or your sales will suffer.
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Yall are slow , everybody and there momma heard or has this album , just becuz niggaz aint buying it !!!
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Why would people spend their hard earned money on an album that only has 3 dope tracks on?
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SNOOP IS NOT SELLING BECAUSE THE ALBUM IS NOT THAT GOOD SEXUAL ERUPTION IS A BIG HIT BUT I DONT THINK HE HAS ANY MORE SONGS THAT CAN BE BIG SINGLES
unless the artist is actually putting the effort to make a good album...I ain't buying that shit period...regardless of what the price is...
^Exactly.