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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Don Jacob on March 21, 2008, 12:32:26 AM
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spoiler .........
okay that speech about the dreams about his dad ...
does it mean:
a) he's too old to deal with these new breeds of criminals (hence the title of the movie) and he's at the end of his life
b) Shugar is commin to get him and he knows he's at the end of his life
c) niether , put me up on game.
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Option A was talked about during his conversation with the ex-Sheriff. I took it as a sign of hope, you gotta keep marching on through even though times right now are dark but good times are ahead.
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I'd say option A.
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Here is the dream speech
" Okay. Two of 'em. Both had my father.
It's peculiar. I'm older now'n he
ever was by twenty years. So in a sen-
se he's the younger man. Anyway, first
one I don't remember so well but it
was about money and I think I lost it.
The second one, it was like we was
both back in older times and I was on
horseback goin through the mountains
of a night.
...Goin through this pass in the moun-
tains. It was cold and snowin, hard
ridin. Hard country. He rode past me
and kept on goin. Never said nothin
goin by. He just rode on past and he
had his blanket wrapped around him and
his head down...
...and when he rode past I seen he
was carryin fire in a horn the way
people used to do and I could see the
horn from the light inside of it.
About the color of the moon. And in
the dream I knew that he was goin on
ahead and that he was fixin to make a
fire somewhere out there in allthat
dark and all that cold, and I knew
that whenever I got there he would be
there. Out there up ahead."
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Snippet from the convo with the ex-Sheriff
I don't know. I feel overmatched.
...I always thought when I got older
God would sort of come into my life
in some way. He didn't. I don't blame
him. If I was him I'd have the same
opinion about me that he does.
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Just saw this movie for the 1st time last night. My only beef is I did not watch it earlier.
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First, it's a great movie. But the ending bothered me too. I saw this twice in theatres, and bought the blu-ray and seen it another two times. I'd have to go with option A. I don't see why Shugar would want to kill Tonny Lee Jones' character. I could be wrong though.
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Here is the dream speech
" Okay. Two of 'em. Both had my father.
It's peculiar. I'm older now'n he
ever was by twenty years. So in a sen-
se he's the younger man. Anyway, first
one I don't remember so well but it
was about money and I think I lost it.
The second one, it was like we was
both back in older times and I was on
horseback goin through the mountains
of a night.
...Goin through this pass in the moun-
tains. It was cold and snowin, hard
ridin. Hard country. He rode past me
and kept on goin. Never said nothin
goin by. He just rode on past and he
had his blanket wrapped around him and
his head down...
...and when he rode past I seen he
was carryin fire in a horn the way
people used to do and I could see the
horn from the light inside of it.
About the color of the moon. And in
the dream I knew that he was goin on
ahead and that he was fixin to make a
fire somewhere out there in allthat
dark and all that cold, and I knew
that whenever I got there he would be
there. Out there up ahead."
i'm still tripped out though. there's ALOT of symbilizsm right there and i can't quite grasp my hands around them yet!!!! ahhhhhhhh
but with ALL that said this is how you KNOW you got a GREAT movie on your hands
1) it's deep
2) it forces you to think
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First, it's a great movie. But the ending bothered me too. I saw this twice in theatres, and bought the blu-ray and seen it another two times. I'd have to go with option A. I don't see why Shugar would want to kill Tonny Lee Jones' character. I could be wrong though.
i am leaning towards a too but why would shugar's scnenes at the end of the movie play out like that:? the hotel, the wife's mothers house, the accident, ect, ect. it was like they were making him a force of nature (michael myers for example) and he was going for the kill over the money and the only person who held any significance left was Tommy lee jones. A does make more sense but B could also play too.
i dunno good fucking movie either way.
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I really don't see how A makes sense. Why would the filmmakers and/or author make the same point in back to back scenes? It's gotta be talking about hope overall.
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I think it was meant to be a complex and confusing ending that could be analyzed a few different ways. On a direct level, simply him feeling that he is too old to handle it, and the times are changing. But if you continue to think, you can relate it to spirituality, hope, and a lot of other values. When the ending flashed, I was confused and had to replay that final speech. A good movie, I can see why it was a favorite for critics.
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I thought tommy's character had find the money, i'll have to check it back
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the movie fuckin sucked period.
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the movie fuckin sucked period.
How come you didn't like it?
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Did anybody else notice or was aware that the film had no score? That's great fucking film making right there, the Coen Brothers were able to keep you on the edge of your seat without a score. The music was the receiver beeping faster when Anton was looking for the money, or when he took off his shoes to creep up on Moss, etc etc. Amazing.
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To have no score and have such movie is ridiculous. Coen brothers gotta be some cocky motherfuckers to think they can pull something like that off but they did.
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To have no score and have such movie is ridiculous. Coen brothers gotta be some cocky motherfuckers to think they can pull something like that off but they did.
yeah i noticed that, we watched the movie in family and it strucked me at the end generic
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wow i didn't even notice that there was no music. that's awesome.
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someone on youtube wrote this about the ending....it makes sense
It's symbolic (as anyone who knows anything about dream interpretation would know). It's about a man (Sheriff Ed Tom) unwilling to confront evil. The best he can do (as most of America) is sit back and bemoan the loss of a so-called more innocent world. His father was willing to confront that evil (on that evil's own terms). It most likely led to his early death. But as long as we are blinded by greed or nostalgia, we will never defeat our enemies. Our enemies will never stop until they win.
PS. And when I say "win", I mean achieve their objective or as Chigurh would have seen it, "reached his destiny". Neither Sheriff Tom nor Llewelyn Moss attempted to understand their enemy, they simply tried to outwit him. The book, an analogy for misadventures in Vietnam, also holds a pertinent allegory for our misadventures in Iraq. Know your enemy or succumb to your fate. Just because Llewelyn stumbled unto a situation, and then took greedy advantage of it, does not absolve him from guilt.