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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: OGNINOBROWN (Guest) on May 04, 2001, 07:57:16 AM
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That actual question is pathetic man (sorry) and the posts inside are fuckin hilarious...
i mean..
Dre enhanced Pac's shit? FUCK NO, pac's best work was before 96.
Every post was about fuckin snoop, daz, dre whatever.. topic should say " Who got the Commercial Crown"
Dres production aint no better than Quik's. Fuck, no even a patch on Quik!!!!! Neway Quiks moved on,
YEA.. when your talkin about pioneers of West Coast Hip Hop Mixmaster Spade, , Eazy, Ice T, Baka Boyz, Nemises Calhoun, Uncle Jamms Army who started from spinning techno 12s back then. Run from dresta.com gon be making an Arabian Knight page up, player from NWA cds, he doing animation cartoons & shyt, but we gotta get cat back seen ya'l
Wheres that hottie gone that used to post on this forum???? hiphop ho or some shyt
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DJ Quik? Balance and Options was a brick in my opinion.
And 2pac's biggest hit was produced and featuring Dr. Dre.
And to call Dre Commercial? Are you forgetting "Lyrical Gangbang", "The Day The Niggaz Took Over" "Rat-ta-tat-tat" "Nigga Wit A Gun" "Real Niggaz" "One Less Bitch." etc. etc. etc. It doesn't get more anti-commercial than that homie.
And everyone you named as pioneers are long gone. Dre was there in the begining and is still on top today. He's the pioneer and reigning champ of West Coast rap. And rap music as a whole for that matter.
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Thanks Nino, thats exactly some of the points i was trying to raise in my posts, at least someone feels me.
west coast rap wouldve evolved regardless of any one artist. sure Dre was undoubtedly one of the people that blew it up and brought it to a commercial audience, but it wouldve happened anyway, maybe it would of taken a different route, but it wouldve got there.
and comments like 'Dre IS the west coast period' (i know no-one said that but u get the idea) are just ridiculous and disrespectful to the west as a whole.
infinite you make a good point, but personally i think that those songs u named are so hardcore theyre commercial if u get what i mean. Dre realized people wanted to hear that type of shit and he cashed in.
commercial means popular, anything can be popular, not just shiny suits and gay white boybands
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For fucks sake I'm tired of hearing people telling me how good these non commercial acts are.
All of these underground artists dream of becoming big and "commercial".
I ain't dissing these guys, I'm sure many of them are talented, but Dre catapulted West coast rap into people's hearts and minds through NWA and then changed the game again with the Chronic.
Just because you can name lesser known rappers/producers/DJs shows u have knowledge, but doesn't mean u are right because others say Dr Dre.
And Mr Loc trying to suggest that the tracks infinite listed were in some way commercial is a joke. Dre thought that Lyrical Gangbang would be a chart topper when he made it - yeah right.
U need to check urselves. People are always jealous of success and try to discredit people - it's a fact of life.
But this is plain ignorance.
Safe
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naw dude you got what im sayin twosted as usual.
off the back of nwa what did the hip hop audiences want from Dre? HARDCORE gangsta rap. and he knew that so he catered for them. i didnt say lyrical gangbang was meant to be a chart topper, lol dont twist my words. dre knew all those mu-uffas wanted gangsta and he gave them it, thus releasing a POPULAR and COMMERCIAL album, you can be hardcore and commercial if hardcore is selling, feel me?
if u dont understand what im sayin dont twist my shit and call me ignorant.
and to think im hating on dre? HAHAHA you must be confused, i look up to Dre the most homie and i never hated on him, im just trying to open peoples eyes that there is more to the west coast hip hop scene than just dre and snoopy.
check YOUR self before dissin me and calling me ignorant
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Guys, I Hate To Say It, But Some Of Yall Don't Kow What You're Talking About :)
I Live In Charlotte, NC , That's EASTCOAST. You Don't HEAR Westcoast Over Here! Lemme Give You This To Think About, The ONLY (And I Mean ONLY, NO Exceptions) Songs You Hear On The Radio Are Dogg Pound, That's It. Alkaholiks? Please, The ONly Xzibit Track EVER Played Over Here Was "X", And Then I Heard Them Play "Been A Long Time" 1 TIME.... If It Ain't Produced By Dre, It Don't Get Played, Unless It's A Snoop Song.
So How Can You Sit Here And Tell Me That Snoop And Dre Don't Have The Crown? Over Here, The Radio, And EVERYBODY In The City, Hasn't Even HEARD Of Anybody Else, It's Ridiculous.
You Say Quik? HA! He's Great, And I Think He IS Near Dre's Level, But Nobody's Ever Heard Of Him On This Side, Yall. And What About Over IN The UK? I Know Over There They Don't Play Nothin' But Dre And Snoop...
Yall Are In The Middle Of It Over There, But Frankly, Over Here, All I Hear Is Ja Rule, Jay Z, and Nelly. EVERY Once In A While, They'll Play Snoop Or Dre, But That's It.... They NEVER Play Any Of The Old Stuff, So....
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I see what ur saying now about the commercial side of things u just needed to explain it better
But there is no debate about who has done most for West Coast rap - Dr Dre
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Trauma dog i never said dre and snoop didnt have the crown, of course they do, but like i said on the other post i dont think they are uniting the whole west like Pac did, cuz that was the original question, who's taken over from Pac.
okay can i officially lay this topic to rest now? otherwise its gon go on forever. i respect yalls opinions that the west aint nada without dre, dont agree with it but i respect it, seems SOME people respect mine, most dont. so rather than keep repeating myself that is IT
PERIOD :)
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Cool I had more of a problem with OGINOBROWN's writing than yours
Safe
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Who Gives a fuck. Its just music. As long as they don't change their music for the money it don't matter.
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Who Gives a fuck. Its just music. As long as they don't change their music for the money it don't matter.
what Da_Assasin said...
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in my opinion snoop has had the crown since tha chronic upto right now, pac neva did
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Yeah Ka Rule your exactly right...
i dont think Pac ever had the crown
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I do think Pac had the West Coast Crown before he died. I think it was Dre's, then Snoop during Doggystyle, then Pac's after All Eyes On Me, and then Dre and Snoop took it back in 1999.
And Mr. Loc, your trying to diss Dre's credibility. If it's a hardcore cut you call it commercial, and if it's a radio hit like 'Cali Love' you call it commercial. There was hundreds of artists out west trying to do what Dre was doing back in 93, gangsta rap, and he did it far better than anyone else. And because of that you try to diss him and call him commercial. I can't feel anyone who tried to make a case for "Lyrical Gangbang" being commmercial.
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dre developed the west coast sound straight up
if you look at every thing pre NWA it sounded pretty much just like what was going on on the east, ice t's cd's sound like they could've been from the east coast
straight outta compton was the begining of the evolution
deep cover was the next step
then the chronic
now 2001
every thing that came out on the west coast after one of these albums have been mimicing their styles
straight outta compton-numerous LA acts and california acts were mimicing this sound
deep cover- the bar was raised again and tracks began to have that street sound like straight outta compton then with that harder cleaner sound like deep cover
the chronic- just about everyone for damn near 5 or 6 years from dj quik to madonna and mariah carey were jockin this style
2001-in the mist of the bouncy bling era this album popped up and now your starting to see alot more futurisitic funk that 2001 brought
people who don't wanna give dre credit or lunatics, even east coast heads who could care less about west coast give dre all the credit in the world , and is without a doubt the overall king of the west coast, like i said before pac was on top for 9 months before he got killed and didn't fully rep the west till he got on deathrow , pac's first album was sounding straight East Coast, his second sounded eastern, his third wasn't really anykind of sound, and wasn't fully west coast sound til he was on the row and with dr. dre and his line of producers such as Daz and such....he repped oakland and the bay area since he hit the scene but not fully repped the west til 96....
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i don't care what yall say but.......when pac was on deathrow he was more of an image than a rapper
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I'm Starting To REALLLLLLY Like Ka Rule.... LOL
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infinite for the last time, IM NOT DISSIN DRE! damn i love that fool dog, just cuz i dont think he is the only person worth listening to doesnt mean im dissin him, shiiiiittt.
you dont seem to get what im saying, im not calling dre a sellout, im calling him a genius for catering to exactly what the market wants. commercial doesnt automatically mean bad, shit we all have a ton of commercial albums, meaning albums that sold well. Dre is a commercial artist now, meaning he caters to large audiences, I DONT MEAN HE IS POP.
damn it is hard as fuck to get my point across to some people. here we go in capitals: I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRE AND SNOOP FANS ON EARTH BUT I LIKE OTHER WEST COAST ARTISTS TOO AND I FEEL THEY SHOULD GET SOME PROPS.
damn even after i tried to end the topic you came back and twisted my words, sheeeesh.
lets see how you turn that into 'mr loc is dissn dre'
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i dont understand why my question was pathetic? BIGGIE had the EAST but now JAY-Z got it..i was juss wonderin who people think has the WEST on lock??? and 2Pac was seen as the KING...my question was more towards lyrical capability than who is the most commercially succesful THAT IS why i put down ICE CUBE instead of SNOOP n DRE!
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you mean we had that big ass discussion over the wrong topic LOL.
shit if you just want the best lyricists on the west, look to techniec, crooked i, and short khop. them young cats have got heat.
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hehe i guess i didnt specifically describe what i was lookin for...LOL...i was askin who yall think has the west coast crown after pac by lyrical skills and to who has it on lock...DRE does not count to me cuz he aint a MC...Cube n SNoop would be my first choices because they have lyrical SKILLS and so called POWER in the west....techniec n short kop n all them juss got skill and dont got nuttin on lock...well it doesnt matter i juss wanted to know yallz opinions ONE!
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what the fuck are you guys talking about, "pac never had the west crown." now that's plain ignorance (or just hatin') if i ever heard it. don't even try to tell me that pac wasn't all over the lips of every hip hop head across the country in '96, when most of the rest of the world couldn't even tell you who dr dre was.
and as for that shit "dre produced and was featured in pac's greatest song"....give me a fuckin break. as if anyone will ever name that song as pac's biggest hit. ask anyone, even anyone who doesn't like hip hop and they'd never say that 'california love' was pac's greatest song.
and ya'll are trying to say that pac was more of an image than a rapper? that is the wackest shit i ever heard. dre and snoop even ADMIT that the shit they spit is made up, make believe.....they ADMIT that they're studio gangsters. come on with that shit. if anyone EVER lived out his words it was pac.
regardless of whether you hated him (ka rule) or loved him, he was on top of the rap game as a whole before he died. he's a fucking legend. the first rapper EVER to do a double disc and go 7x platinum....you can't say that his biggest hit was because of dre.
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what the fuck are you guys talking about, "pac never had the west crown." now that's plain ignorance (or just hatin') if i ever heard it. don't even try to tell me that pac wasn't all over the lips of every hip hop head across the country in '96, when most of the rest of the world couldn't even tell you who dr dre was.
and as for that shit "dre produced and was featured in pac's greatest song"....give me a fuckin break. as if anyone will ever name that song as pac's biggest hit. ask anyone, even anyone who doesn't like hip hop and they'd never say that 'california love' was pac's greatest song.
and ya'll are trying to say that pac was more of an image than a rapper? that is the wackest shit i ever heard. dre and snoop even ADMIT that the shit they spit is made up, make believe.....they ADMIT that they're studio gangsters. come on with that shit. if anyone EVER lived out his words it was pac.
regardless of whether you hated him (ka rule) or loved him, he was on top of the rap game as a whole before he died. he's a fucking legend. the first rapper EVER to do a double disc and go 7x platinum....you can't say that his biggest hit was because of dre.
WORD! N.W.A. Had It First - Dre Had The Crown When Chronic Came Out -SNoop Had it when Doggystyle came out - And 2PAC HAD IT FROM WHEN HE JOINED DEATHROW Til HIS DEATH AND TO SOME EXTENT EVEN AFTER THROUGH HIS POSTHUOMOUS RELEASES!
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Pac was just an image, if anyone was commercial then it without a doubt was Pac with Deathrow.
he would always be sayin West this west that, while in the reality he was from the eastcoast, he wasn't even that hardcore as people think, just cause he got killed, or got shot once or twice doesn't make him hard, it makes him stupid enough to hang with the wrong people after havin blown up and being rich, offcourse everyone shoots a rich motherfucker with money.
Dre stood up to Suge, he was hard
Snoop stood up to Suge, he was hard
Pac got killed with Suge sittin next to him, you figure out the conclusion
I am not hatin on Pac, just lettin y'all know that we all don't think that Pac was the greatest while everone else are soft bitches
and yes Dre produced Pac greatest hit, it was tht song that made him blow up, without Cali Love Pac would've never reached out to the west.
peace
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That's true
JTPlatinum : Tupac rapper who turns into a gangster
Snoop gangster who turns into a rapper
We all know who lived the life before talking about it
It wasn't Pac
If u like seeing six year olds get shot then idolize Pac
But if u can look up to someone who changed their ways through rap then it's Snoop
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Pac did the same shit Snoop did when he was young...they both sold dope and scrapped and got into shit..they both have never killed anyone...so i dont see what the difference between them is other than Snoop became positive while Pac remained negative?
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Pac was involved in the killing of a 6 yr old
JT claimed that Snoop was fake
NO
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How do you know Snoop never killed anyone?
He was a Rolling 20 Cript from Long Beach, there's a good chance he might have killed someone. And he was driving the car when Phillip Waldemarian got shot. But anyway...
I'm not saying it was 2pac's best song, but California Love is the only 2pac song that always makes those countdowns they did at the end of the millenium for greatest songs of the 90's. And it is the one I still hear today on radio and still see occasionally on video.
And Mr. Loc..... I get what your saying.
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Who's Phillip Waldemarian?
Is that the guy that got killed when Snoop got charged with murder or sum1 else?
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not all gang members are killers...Ice T said that only about 10% off all gang bangers are killers the rest just wanna slang or belong to a group to be cool...i dunno theres always a possibility that Snoop killed someone but in my opinion i think he hasnt...they killed Phillip in self defense
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Self Defense? It was some street shit if you ask me. I think Phillip came by Snoop's apartment and was threatening him, so they went out and capped his ass. And if you read Snoop's book, that's basically the story he gives.........
He also says in the book that his set, the Rolling 20 Crips were mainly involved in crack sales. And that it was the Insane Crazy Crips (something like that) that were straight up killers.............
Snoop probably hasn't killed someone, but then again maybe he has.
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Rat a tat tat!
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who's talking anything about killing? as if killing someone is hard? fuck that....i don't give a shit who you are, if you kill someone just cuz you're bangin i think that that shit is fucked up.
"if u like seeing 6 year olds getting shot, idolize pac" come on, what the fuck is wrong with you man....yeah, i just LOVE to see six year olds getting shot. as if anyone really had a part in that incident besides the fact that they were all at the wrong place at the wrong time. don't give me that shit about 'idolize pac cuz he's a baby killer.' fuck that. that's just plain stupidity.
and someone said "just cuz pac got shot once or twice doesn't make them hard." no shit man, and he didn't get shot once or twice, he died with 12 or 13 bullet wounds in his body. what makes someone hard is their realness, and that's what pac had. he didn't give a fuck what other people were saying about him, and he didn't give a fuck what other people thought of him. he did his shit and tried to get it to the people. you know why he didn't like dre? it was because people like j flexx was saying that dre stole his songs and sold them.
and yes, dre and snoop both admit that what they spit isn't real, check the record folks, they ADMIT that they're studio gangstas.
obviously, this debate has gotten way off the point of the topic, but people shouldn't be speakin on shit that they can pathetically manipulate to try to make their point. we both know damn well that just about anyone being involved in the shooting of a 6 year old is in a fucked up situation. i can't believe that you would actually say that pac meant for it to go down that way. whatever man.