West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: West Coast Veteran on May 02, 2001, 06:46:42 PM
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Ice Cube - He Comes The Closest To 2Pac's Lyrical Skill And Flow. Also He Has Dropped Numerous Classic Albums.
Runner-Up - Snoop Doggy Dogg
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Cube aint doing shit to be honest, i loved the war disc but he certainly aint runnin shit like Pac did.
gotta be snoop and dre, dre and snoop, but still they arent on Pac's level of uniting the whole coast. i remember real talented artists from the bay and LA were all getting their due when Pac was throwing up that dub in 96
when we gonna see some other fools get a chance to shine?
CONTRAVERSY COMING SOON
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dr. dre and ice cube have been the entire west coast for damn near 20 years now...the only time they weren't the kings were when they wern't putting out music, i think 2pac is the greatest rapper but Ice Cube, Dre, and Snoop have been west coast longer than pac....think about it, pac only had his west coast image for 9 months....
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Yeah...Dre and Aftermath......has everything on Lock out west......
and then all his artist he helped grow..like snoop and the dogg pound..and the rest of their affiliates..
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To me, nobody has. Seriously though there are a lot of rappers who are from the west coast or who used have that westcoast flavour but nobody is really puttin it down for the west in mainstream and upholdin the sound. Nowadays shit is dominated by Jay-Z and the R.O.C clique and nobody is really steppin up for the Westcoast to give him a run for his money. Let's look at the Wests main runners - Snoop - He's not doin westcoast shit in my eyes anymore, his flavour has definately changed. "To me Snoop Dogg" has more of an East Coast flavour than anything. I own Tha Last Meal and I didn't feel any of the golden west coast sound I was cravin'. And while Chronic 2001
was a good West Coast artist album it was a new flavour for dre and in my eyes wasn't as good as Tha Chronic. It just didn't feel like classic westcoast shit. It was a classic album and I bought it but it just didn't feel like WestCoast shit. In my eyes the last truely great westcoast album with the feel the artists the beats the everything was Kurupts Tha Streetz Iz a Mutha. Since then it has pretty been a lotta artists sleepin' on the west coast flavour. It could just be me but I miss the flashin dub in videos and pictures and I miss hearing Westcoast at the beginnning of songs or westsiiide here and there. I miss the all of the Westside artists getting exposure and all of the WC rappers working together making classic songs. I miss songs 'bout Cali like "In California" and "To Live and Die in LA" and "Cali Love" and "Only in California". Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT want another east vs. west battle to come out of this I just want some classic west coast stuff to come out. Some G-Funk, somethin you can listen to in your backyard havin a BBQ or cruisin down the strip or just chillin with your friends something that truly makes ya proud to live on the westcoast or if ya don't makes ya feel like yer right there. After 2Pac died and Death Row fell the West Coast rap I loved died. Like I said before Dre and Snoop are still excellent rappers and have success up the ass but in my eyes just don't have the old westside flavour of the Death Row days. Oh well, the new DPG album is comin out and Coastin gives me a ray of hope, I haven't heard any of the other songs so I hope they maintain the West Coast flavour and blow up. Maybe that'll get Snoop back rappin with the West Coast cats again, Cube will rep the west again, Daz and Kurupt will finally get the sales they deserve, Warren Gs new album will get the sales and props it deserves, E-40 will blow up cause we all know he deserves it and Crooked Is new album will bring a new West Coast player to the scene and revive Death Row. I know a lotta people here hate Tha Row but they makin good music (even if it is a lotta disses) and I am anxious as hell to hear Crooked's new joint, I hope it revives Tha Row. I just hope that the West becomes more mainstream again and when I go out with my friends they don't blast East Coast Oochie Walley, Danger shit cause that makes my high come. Fuckin Oochie Wally..does anybody else hate that song?? Oh well...Hopefully the West will be back on top soon. And if all goes well the rapper best representing the West right now won't have been dead for 4 1/2 years.
Sorry for the long post and I don't really know if you smell what I'm shitting I suck at writing.
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Yeah I'm closed minded but at least I realize that ;D. But I didn't ever say I hated the East Coast or anything like that I just said I missed and wanted the old West Coast back and the new WC rappers to get some recognition like new WCers were gettin back when Pac was alive. I like some East Coast it's not like I hear somethings from the East and immediatly trash it...I listen to songs first, then trash them ;D if they suck that is. And I stand by saying that I hate Oochie Walley.
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actually more people from the west were gettin recognized with dre, i don't know if you know this or not but dre was a MAJOR reason why 2pac blew up and 89% of the reason why most of these west coast cats are up in this game, the rest came from either Ice Cube or Eazy-e's branch
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thats true huh........if it wasnt for eazy e, or dre..or cube...we wouldnt have alot of these current cats...out now....
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thats true definitely, but jake you cant call g-child closed minded when you have the excat same opinion just about a different artist.
and yes dre and cube have developed the artists around them and much love to them, but right now its like the west coast aint selling shit unless dre is the exec, that is a major fan/support problem right there.
and there are a LOT of west coast artists who have no relation to cube dre or eazy apart from they were influenced by them. eg C-Bo, X-Raided, E40, Too Short, even in SoCal u got Jayo, Ras kass, Xzibit (who, believe it or not, was dope way before dre 'adopted' him), Eiht etc etc
so dont think every west coast rapper stems from those 3 artists. yea they are dope and much MUCH respect and love to them, but there is so much more talent out there, and its you thats being closed minded if you dont recognize it because Dre isnt on it.
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NOBODY.......i think what we all forgot is that snoop and dre have had the crown BEFORE pac, then pac took it from them and i think that a lot of people seem to believe that they have it back....i'm waitin on bad azz to take this shit over
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whoever the fuck called me closed minded better check themselfs cuz i'd school you damn ass in almost every aspect of hip hop...
anyways....
YES dre cube and Eazy pathed the way for ALLLL mother fucking west coast rappers excluding maybe too short who you gotta admit wasn't as big until 88' which dunna dunnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa was the year the west blew up with a little record called "straight outta compton"
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Openminded
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For Me, Snoop Dogg DEFINATELY Has The Westcoast Crown. Dre Is Kinda On Another Level Right Now, Working With Everybody, But As Far As An Emcee That You Can't Mess With, Snoop Is It. I Look Forward To Every Song He's On, And He Gets Me Laughing Every Time, He's Just Cool, And Perfectly Represents The Westcoast To Me. I'm Not Saying He's The Best Lyricist, Or Anything, I'm Just Saying That When You Incorporate His Image, History, And Charisma, Snoop Is Untouchable, And Probably Will Be For A Long Time.
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I gotta agree with Snoop since I live in NY, and he's the only westcoast cat that gets any kind of play here.
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Dr. Dre for sure. He has it locked on the West.
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yeah snoop is big and just gettting BIgger and BIGGer and BIGGER. but i think that he should get with all of cali i mean all north and all south.For EXAMPLE : that pac song "i ain't hard to find with all the bay people..that was tight
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i think snoop will show love to the rest of cali peeps later on down the road....he has to worry about his label and his artist...he has the west coast on lock and has to keep it that way...........
there are alot of cats out there...releasin independent shit..that is Tight as fuck...but they just dont have the distribution.......mac dre mac mall, the whole dam yea, shit...even spice-1 has released some new underground independent shit...that is tight...and he is a real O.G. that is slept on. Even RBL -Posse has a new CD out......im sure its tight....i just cant find it anywhere......its all about distribution...i am sure more peeps would know about more cats out west...if they had better channels...
but yeah....i try to get everything snoop dogg is involved with.....i wouldnt of bought the dj clue soundtrack if snoop wasnt on there.....
and when Bad Azz comes out...and he goes at least gold.......you know it is because of snoop, snoop took him under his wings...and let priority know whats up.....that is shit on lock....
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actually more people from the west were gettin recognized with dre, i don't know if you know this or not but dre was a MAJOR reason why 2pac blew up and 89% of the reason why most of these west coast cats are up in this game, the rest came from either Ice Cube or Eazy-e's branch
i gotta disagree with what u said about how Dre was major reason 2Pac blew up...Pac already was popular with albums Strictly For My Niggaz and Me Against The World...he might of introduced him to the suburbanites but thats it...he was already a multiplatinum artist..but Dre helped him wit Cali Love...ONE
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i agree with u.....but i think...that Cali love.....put tupac in the mouths of even more peeps.....mainly mainstream america.....cause i remember the Mtv special they had on tupac and dr dre..and the makin of that song......once mtv got ahold of it........2pac's fame was kicked into high gear......
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WORD! but i was just stating that DRE did not make PAC but instead helped his career...PEACE
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To be honest, Dre doesn't run the west. Dre is too bi-coastal, as it should be, with his style and who he works with. Eminem, Rakim, Mel-Man, and others like Nas are not westcoast. Dre only hooked back up with the west because he needed a tight album, now his getting more bi-coastal. As for who runs the west now, that's easy, S-N-double O-P D-O double Gezzy. That's right, Snoop Dogg, who is the head of Doggystyle records, a straight westcoast sounding lable with westcoast artist, and now that he got rid of the tank, he has a more athentic westcoast sound. Snoop is the leader of the D.P.G.C.s and has help bring out many great westcoast artist, as Daz, Kurupt, Crooked I, Nate Dogg, Swoop G, Soopafly, Trey Deee, Goldie Loc, Bad Azz and many others have all came from Snoop's Dogg Pound. Now Snoop is the head of the west, as Aftermath has and always will be bi-coastal. Now Dre is the main player in rap, but his not wearing the west coast crown, Snoop got that shit back.
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haha dont get mad jake im just stating my opinion, i see your quick to call others closed minded but get mad if i call u it huh. okay, all good.
and no, you couldnt school me in shit
west coast hip hop wouldve evolved regardless, especially g-rap. even without dre and cube. Look at King T, Ice T, Mixmaster Spade, fools that were doing gangsta rap when dre was still in his spandex doctors outfit.
YES I AGREE they did sooooo much for the game and brought in a lot of artists, but by no means are the be-all-and-end-all of west coast hip hop.
dont hate tho, i do respect your opinion, just dont ever patronize me or say you could school me on hip hop cuz u dont know a damn thing about my knowledge
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Ai yo the closest song repping cali/La since Tupac died was Welcome Home
That is an amazing song
Like sum1 said on this board (I think it was Trauma) ages ago Snoop is the total package
He's the King no doubt
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I dont think Pac really ever had the crown... he wasnt reppin the west long enough... in my mind it is either Snoop or Dre... just my opinion
Peace
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For beats its Dre.
like he said on X's ablum 'The king of these West coast gangsta beats' - thats no contest.
Beyond that... Snoop is building a stable of (mainly LB) West Coast artists
Dre is building a smaller - more elite' superlabel - but not of exclusive west coast acts - he's moved beyond the west.
The main west coast contenders are Death Row with Crooked I, Dogghouse/Doggystyle plus outsiders DPG Recs.
Daz & Kurupt, especially Daz with the Jay-Z rumours. combined with Jay-Zs beef with Jayo could make things very interesting.
I hope Daz & Kurupt blow up bigger than ever - they've been down for too long - bouncing up from the back of this Warren G and the rest of the DPGC family and more together than ever before.
Anyways.. back to the topic at the moment I'd say its Snoop - but its *very* rocky - his label needs to drop a bomb badly - and soon.
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WHY DO PEEPS SAY PAC HASNT REP'D THE WEST ENOUGH? HE ALWAYS BEEN REPPIN' OAKLAND[MARIN CITY] AND THEN L.A. SINCE HIS FIRST CD HE BEEN SCREAMIN' OAKLAND...SO WHAT DO YALL MEAN? PAC BEEN REPPIN' IT LONGER THAN SNOOP!!! IF YALL DONT KNOW CHECK 2PACOLYPSE NOW...IT CAME OUT B4 DOGGYSTYLE OR SNOOPS DEBUT ON THE CHRONIC[DEEP COVER]...AND IM NOT COUNTING PAC'S DIGITAL UNDERGROUND DAYS...PEACE!
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i was thinkin about this some more just now and im like do we really need a king of west coast rap?
to be honest there will never be an artist like Pac who the whole coast can rally around, wont happen. what i would like to see happen is everyone just clicking up, gettin on each others records, just makin money, doing it real big.
you see that attitude with the DPGs and snoop and his boys, but not really anywhere else. a lot of cats is out for numero uno, but to make the west really come back, as a whole, its got to be some networking going on, so a lot of people get a chance to blow up. not just one click like we got now, cuz now a lot of fools get slept on if it aint dre/snoop-affiliated.
and they say the west is 'back' but its just dre and snoop who are 'back', the west on a whole still aint selling shit. maybe its the music, maybe its the fans, i dont know.
comments?
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The problem is people dont like that classic smooth shit anymore.. i think stuff like Coastin is the next wave.
Its got elements everyone likes - no one I know dislikes it.
By hooking up with Daz Jiggas trying to keep the East (and therefore himself) up
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It's like D.B.A. said in the Source.
"It's hard because (Snoop and Dre) got it locked up so cold. And you can't be mad at them for that."
Snoop and Dre are running things out West. Bottom Line. The Alkoholiks and Xzibit are blowing up now because of Xzibit's connection with Dre. The Dogg Pound, Eastsidaz etc. have that connection with Snoop. "Things will remain the same until I change em." Dre
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I worry about Jayo know. He dissed the kings of each coast. Jay-Z is on top of New York like no other right now. Snoop has the Westcoast crowd, as it was always his after 'Pac died, he just needed to claim it. Snoop does have the name power, and more importanly, the Dogg Pound power, behind him. Lets see, Jayo dissed Jay-Z and Snoop, Jay-Z is hooked up with Daz, Snoop is surronded by the Pound which includes Kurupt, Nate Dogg, Warren G and reunited with Daz. Roc-a-Fella and the Dogg Pound are on good grounds. Jayo has always had loyal eastcoast cats, but he dissed Jay-Z, so he gets shot at. You diss Snoop, you get no sales in the west, that's a proving. Luke and 2 Live Crew sales rock bottomed after Cowards of Compton. Death Rows Chronic 2000, which had heavy dissing on Snoop (and no Dre by the way, at least straight to) didn't sell shit, and westcoast fans hated it. The only Ruthless that sold was Bone since they never dissed Snoop. Eazy E didn't sell until he died. Don't diss Snoop on the west, and don't diss Jay-Z in the east. Jayo, as good as he is, just killed his own career. He should have just signed to Doggystyle, and things would have been better.
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If you're going to give the crown to anyone I don't think it can be dre... he dissappeared from the game and was gone to long. Of course he has two classic albums, but in retrospect, that's all he has and there are eight years between his chronic to his 2001.
It has to be Snoop in my opinion, even though he went to No Limit he was around every year doing what he could, touring, keeping his face in the game and no one else did that and that's why he gets my vote.
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yo....the last song on the last meal cd is perfect.....
ya'll gone miss me......we would miss snoop if he hadnt been puttin stuff out.....even if it was on no limit....
Tell me this.....how many of you..have bought a CD, that wasnt Snoop, but bought it cause...it had snoop dogg on a song...
i know i have...
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very good point Hambone... i have bought a few cd's just because Snoop was on a song
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Yeah, People Always Say Snoop's Wack, he Ain't What He Used To Be, Etc., But We'd All Cry Like A Little Bitch If He Ever Got Killed Or Anything...
I Don't Think Snoop Will Ever Be Respected The Way He Should Be Until He's Dead. He Really Is Special, As Far As His Persona, He's The Only One Like BPG Said That Is Out Their Bustin' his Ass, Constantly In Everybody's Face And On Tour. You Can Turn On The T.V. And Just About Catch Snoop On Television Every Day Somewhere Or The Other... He's Actually, If You Think About It, Probably The Most Visual And Famous Rapper BAR NONE These Days... I Know Grandmas And Stuff That Know About Snoop Dogg. I Know People In Their 50's That Would NEVER Listen To Rap, But Can Sing Along To A Snoop Song, Just Because He's So Huge That They've Been Exposed To It.
One Of These Days, Everybody Will See This Fool For What He Is, HUGE.
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trauma is right....out of all my rap cds.......
my mom luvvvvvvvvvvs snoop dogg...always wants me to turn it up.......my grandma too...its crazy..they dont always like the lyrics..but they like his music....
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i agree Snoop is a superstar and is holdin shit down, if i had to name a single king of the coast it would be snoop over dre at this present time.
i still dont think hes bringin the whole coast together like Pac did but you guys are right he is really the 'top dogg' when it comes to representing the west right now.