2.Showdown (wit enimen)
2.Showdown (wit enimen)
I think you mean "Bad Guys Always Die", that's an old track from the "Wild Wild West" soundtrack.
great thread . could beats stay the same and add a few mc's to the songs? :P
just from the selection of instrumentals listed so far it wouldnt be anywhere near the level of chronic or 2001
just from the selection of instrumentals listed so far it wouldnt be anywhere near the level of chronic or 2001
2.Showdown (wit enimen)
I think you mean "Bad Guys Always Die", that's an old track from the "Wild Wild West" soundtrack.
its known to many sites/people as showdown.
damn that beat is cold , awww shit that is fire!!!
just from the selection of instrumentals listed so far it wouldnt be anywhere near the level of chronic or 2001
just from the selection of instrumentals listed so far it wouldnt be anywhere near the level of chronic or 2001
Word. But they are all still very good productions.
just from the selection of instrumentals listed so far it wouldnt be anywhere near the level of chronic or 2001
The ones listed so far would be way better than 2001 IMO - that had a quite a few filler beats even though the dope ones were mad dope
I thought Get You Some, Here We Go, The Set Up and a few others were better beats than anything on 2001
Not to me homie, i'm sure most would agree that the beats mentioned so far would not even come close to what 2001 achieved and its not just about that, you gotta have the right artist over the beat, the right direction, hunger and topic and crazy shit to make a classic.
I agree 2001 had filler on it but its crazy that still to this day it is and will always be considered a classic even with the filler. Why? Because it totally flipped the script for the hiphop game, how niggaz would produce, the sound of hiphop changed made, it was gangsta shit and the sound for the future.
STILL DRE, NEXT EPSIDOE, WATCHER, BIG EGOS, XXPLOSIV, WHATS THE DIFFERENT, FORGOT ABOUT DRE....this is classic dre shit without a doubt, true to the form dre beats, top form beats, will be remembered as 5/5 joints....not many of dres joints now are fuckin with that shit....some of dres greatest creations were on 2001....(still dre, next episode, watcher, forgot about dre, whats the difference etc).....either some of y'all were not there when that dropped or forgot how far ahead of the game 2001 was when it dropped. I just hope detox continues that trend and it is also why dre is taking so long with it because he knows it gon be a tough job to top that. If anyone can though...it is that nigga dre.
Not to me homie, i'm sure most would agree that the beats mentioned so far would not even come close to what 2001 achieved and its not just about that, you gotta have the right artist over the beat, the right direction, hunger and topic and crazy shit to make a classic.
Sure, at the moment those beats are like the only hot beat on the albums they're off of, and what made 2001 dope is that there are several dope beats all on the same album, which dudes is having trouble putting together right now - also with Detox we'd assume he'd have better vocals on the tracks, better collabs, so we're only talking about the beats. If the beats from 2001 were all spread out on other people's albums we'd only think they were just ok too, rather than amazingI agree 2001 had filler on it but its crazy that still to this day it is and will always be considered a classic even with the filler. Why? Because it totally flipped the script for the hiphop game, how niggaz would produce, the sound of hiphop changed made, it was gangsta shit and the sound for the future.
It's not really considered a proper classic with hiphop heads, it's a damn good album, but has a lot of filler and a lot of mediocre verses, which stopped it being in the same league as The Chronic or other classic hiphop albums
It didn't really change much either - The Chronic changed the game because it blew gangsta rap into the mainstream and suddenly everyone had a g-funk beat with whiny synths on it on their albums. With 2001 gangsta rap was already tired and people were hoping he'd go in a different direction so it was disappointing that the content was all G shit even though most of the beats banged. Also the sound he brought in didn't really switch stuff up - we had already had sparse hard synthy beats from other people
2001 was a good 4/5 album when it came out... it only seems like a 5/5 now because of all the wack shit that has come out and because there is so little competition album-wise, but it doesn't stand up with true hiphop classicsSTILL DRE, NEXT EPSIDOE, WATCHER, BIG EGOS, XXPLOSIV, WHATS THE DIFFERENT, FORGOT ABOUT DRE....this is classic dre shit without a doubt, true to the form dre beats, top form beats, will be remembered as 5/5 joints....not many of dres joints now are fuckin with that shit....some of dres greatest creations were on 2001....(still dre, next episode, watcher, forgot about dre, whats the difference etc).....either some of y'all were not there when that dropped or forgot how far ahead of the game 2001 was when it dropped. I just hope detox continues that trend and it is also why dre is taking so long with it because he knows it gon be a tough job to top that. If anyone can though...it is that nigga dre.
Those joints aren't THAT amazing, I prefer the beats Dre has been doing recently - also remember that 2001 was when Dre had only just started making those stripped down beats and now he's had time to perfect them IMO, and his new beats make 2001 beats seem a little bit messy
Next Episode - even though it is a dope track it was a pretty big disappointment for a lot of Dre fans - Snoop's verse is kinda soft and weak, Dre's verse is nothing special and it pales in comparison with the original Next Episode that was meant to be on Doggystyle
Still DRE is ok, but that beat is not any better than Get You Some or The Set Up, etc
Watcher is ok, but again, beat is dope but not better than any of his new stuff
Big Egos has a boring beat and boring verses - that one is a filler track for sure
Xplosive has a great beat, but the verses are pretty wack (especially compared to the original Royce the 5'9 lyrics written for Dre, which were waaaaay doper, he should have kept them)
Whats The Difference and Forgot About Dre are perfect though, I'll give you that
I respect your opinion but i gotta say first of all, you speak of hiphop heads but im as hiphop as it gets, ask the ogs on this forum, we know whats poppin and 2001 is considered a classic with hiphop heads. Not higher up on the list of all time classic, infact pretty low down on a list but it still makes the list. Why? because similar to the effect chronic had in marking the deathrow era, gansgsta rap etc, 2001 was the defining point of marking the aftermath era, the new sound and rebirthing gangsta rap for a while. It is considered a classic and also it changed the game musically because it bought a whole new level of shit into the game and go check around and you will see poeple for years to come tried to copy the style of 2001 and the effect it had on the game musically. 2001 had filller on it without doubt but tracks 1-11 pretty much were all perfect and the drop off in quality came in the second half of the album which is kinda symbolic because it was the young westcoast cats who have no failed in there bid for fame that failed to live up on 2001 and dropped weak verses. Yet it is still considered a classic for the first half, how it did change the game and the effect it had on an era after that. dre 1999-2001 is better than most shit he done since, he did have up points on GRDOT, CHEERS AND DOC but that was it and still not all on 2001 level. 2001 was a 5/5 album back then, today with the bullshit that is droppin, it is a 6/5 album no doubt.
Everyone has there own ear but you claim a joint like still dre is on the level of those beats you mentioned...lol...homie still dre by many is considered the peak of dres career, the career defining moment, the best beat he made, thats how good a beat that is. Next episode was a 5/5 joint also and on another level to those u mentioned. watcher again, big egos was a classic joint, not sure about as an instrumental alone but as a joint, dang...
you mention forgot about dre and whats the difference as being perfect yet you dismiss next episode, still dre, expolsiv, watcher etc...these are on the exact same level as those beats...you a big eminem fan? snoop hater or something? Because the beats i mentioned are some of dres finest. Some of the beats mentioned in this thread do not even touch his shit on 2001...
alot of that shit should not be in the same sentence as a beat from the top half of detox.
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