West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Tanjential on April 03, 2001, 12:31:43 PM
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me and Trauma are arguing about this, I say it was Dre (many say Dre stole the idea form Above The Law's Big Hutch...), Dre was always leaning towards it, and it evolved and bloomed full-blown in The Chronic or arguably Efil4zaggin(always into soemthin). He says warren g started it on the streetz while dre was with NWA...but warren g pretty much got his production technique from dre,and warren put more soft soul elements into it and formed his g-funk which was close. Trauma says Dre can't be g-funk because his shit's too hard...I'm not trying to diss him but i think he's confused...can we help him out?(Jakedogg i'm lookin atchu....) and he already told me he wont be deleting people for disagreeing,so speak your mind ]=) peace-Tanjint
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See, The Way I See It, Dre Is Gangsta Rap. Dre Invented The Term Gansta Rap. His Songs Have Funk In Them, But It's Hard Rap.
Warren G Is G-Funk, Because His Music Is Basically Funk! It's A Smoother- R&B Flow Almost, With Just Smooth, Funky Beats And Rhymes.
Dre's Stuff Like "Lil Ghetto Boy" Could Be Considered G-Funk, But The Rest Of That Album Is So Hard & Gangsta That It Isn't G-Funk. Efil4Zaggin Didn't Have A Single G-Funk Track,Because They WEre Alll Too Hard, In My Opinion, Even "Dayz Of Wayback" Was Too Hard, Rap-Wise, It's Gangsta Rap.
Dre Never Said He Invented G-Funk, And I Think Any Fan Who Actually Knows What G-Funk Is Would Say THat Warren Started It, With 213.
Snoop's Doggystyle Album Is MUCH More G-Funk Than Either Of Dre's Albums....
So Who Started It, Dre, Or Warren? i Say Warren.
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Ok.... this is gonna be a good un tanjint ;)
this is gonna be heated for sure
One thing i think we can all agree on, is that Dre popularised it, with tracks like G Thang that epitomised it more than any other.
Now onto my opinion.
Warren G is the only person using the same 'back the day' that still calls his shit G Funk.
I'd say Dre was doing some Hard/Dark Funk (efil4zaggin) shit until he hooked up with warren and snoop, who were doing their thing. The combination of Snoops smoothness and Dres hard beats evolved into the G Funk sound.
As for traumas point of it not being hard.. I thought the appeal of it was street hardness hidden being a silky smooth exterior.
"Beatin up on your ear drums with some of that G Funk
Some of that gangsta funk
Some of that ghetto funk
Call it what you want, just don't forget the G"
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I forgot to say...
ATL claim Snoop was hanging with them before he hooked with Dre.. and that they were working on Black Mafia Life.
They aren't saying Snoop bit from them.. but say that "everybody who hangs with us for a bit takes a little ATL with them".
I'm inclined to say Dre.. everyone credits Dre.. the only people who dispute it are ATL.. and that could have been due to the drama at ruthless back then.
ATLs sound on BML isnt as advanced as Dres.. and Dre seems to have taken a smoother, more evolved course from efil4zaggin -> the chronic.
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I Don't Feel That Dre Is Very G-Funkish At All... G-Funk To Me Is Songs Like
Regulate
Round & Round (Twinz)
Eastside LBC (Twinz)
This DJ
I Shot The Sheriff
I Want It All
Etc. Etc.
I Think Even "G Thang" Isn't Quite G-Funk, Because It's Got Hard Hitting Snares, And Etc, And The Rap Just Sounds Kinda Hard...
Now, Of Course Don't Get Me Wrong, Dre's My Favorite, But I Don't Consider That G-Funk.
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Heh, well look, Snoop was claiming G-funk on doggystyle. At that point Warren G had 1.done some demo's with snoop and nate
2.co-drum programmed deep cover with Dre
3.made Indo Smoke wit Nate and Mista Grimm
4.appeared on Deeez Nuuuts VOCALLY
...so are You saying that Dre based his whole g-funk concept on those things that a person ,who HE WAS TEACHING his damn self, did? I think Not, dre had been wanting to do g-funk since efil4zaggin(possibly because he got inspired by big hutch who claime dre stole g-funk from him,which i doubt...) and he did some g-funk on efil4zaggin, he did some g-funk on the chronic and he did all g-funk on doggystyle...Warreb G took G-funk to another place tho..not better than dre's but different but equal....no disrespect to warren g, think when it comes to g-funk warren g is just as good as dre but otherwise dre is better....peace-Tanjint
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No , I'm Not Saying Warren Taught Dre Anything. I'm Saying Dre Isn't What I Call G-Funk, Warren Is.
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i'm trying to find somewhere (anywhere!) online that agrees with you trauma... every site i see says G-Funk is Dres
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What do you think overseer? I'm not saying G-funk is dre's,it's anybody's who works with it but i'm saying Dre started it.Warren has just as much of a claim on g-funk as dre does. But Dre started it, i'm no saying everything Dre has done is g-funk either but it's the same for warren (big bang theory).peace-Tanjint
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Its not Warren Gs, Its between ATL and Dre.
The first use of the term 'G Funk' I can find on a recording is from ATL.
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when was that recording Psycreate? and peep my post "NOOOOO!" some sad shit about dre....peace-Tanjint
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its by 2pac on ATLs Call It What U Want.
so it was probably common then.. 2pac wasnt a great lyracist as the rest of the verse was recycled from DUs 'Same Song'
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How ironic that pac was the first LOL when was this song released? and was Pac still with DU at this point? Cuz it's weird him working with ruthless (ATL was on ruthless) since he was with death row and someone was asking if he ever worked with eazy awhile back...peace-Tanjint
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I agree with U Trauma.......I mean i got the same analyse 'bout what is G-Funk vs Gangsta Rap.
But this topic is most 'bout 1 term (G-Funk) rather than on a 'style' of music.
Caus' Big Hutch & Dre may have surely talked 'bout G-Funk when they issued the 1st ATL's LP 'Livin' like Hustlers' back in '90. Dre has made some prod. on it (it was still Ruthless Thang at that time). So only 'em could say who 1st said this name. And I think it was first meanin' 4 Gangsta-Funk that all media has called in the early '90s Gangsta-Rap so this name stayed 4 much Westside Productionz while G-Funk became the Word 4 Long Beach "almost R&B" dope shit.
I hope i've been clear (not sure myself)
Peace y'all !
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dr. dre started it penned the name and g-funk started with the production of 100 miles and runnin EP with track like She swallowed it which was in 90' black mafia life didn't come out til 93' and dre produced or co-produced above the laws first album so, either way you flip the egg in your pan dre started it or had influance fo all other producers warren g's pre g-funk era sounded just like second rate straight outta compton stuff so BAM!
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So You're on my side Jake? Coo...but what pre-g-funk era stuff does warren g have besides the shit i named? Those EPs You have? reply..peace-Tanjint
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This is tough, I don't think Warren invented G-Funk all by himself. Dre had input, when Snoop came along, then his way of things influenced even Dre's music into GFunk. It all depends on what YOUR definition of "G-Funk" really is.
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Dr. Dre started G-Funk...Warren G uses it more though...
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In my opinion Peeps like Bootsy Collins, Parliament and Ohio Players are the people who prepared the path for G-Funk. There music was the influence for G-Funk in the first place. Yes people like Big Hutch, Dre and Warren G helped make it blow up and gave it a new name (G-Funk) but its really a new form of P-Funk, just mixed with that hardcore gangsta rap.
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everybody has got some tight points on this thread8)8)8)yall are more Dre fans than me im more into ATL than Dre so really i aint ever gonna b able to agree with u on this shit. Peeps r right 2 say that it aint as if anyonne of the three invented funk but as far as G-funk goes Big Hutch and Above The Law are the orginators orginators. I would argue wit u when u say the chronic is more advanced than black mafia life to me it sounds more glossy and commercially acceptable. About Warren G he was stayin at Hutches house before he went and hooked up wit snoop and dre so even though that is the styel in which he produces , i dont think he created that shit. Black Mafia Life as a project started before the chronic while dre was still on Ruthless so certain aspects of that album to me must have been bitten of black mafia life. whether u think the chronic is better or not. on niggaz4life above the law and warren g are on the intro if u listen and that album really started what were all talkin about..... ill get back on this one the time difference between me and yall is fucking this shit up8)
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i agree with trauma that warren g has made g funk his own and dre only popularised it...
however, i think that the origins of g funk are more of a westcoast musical movement (in the late 80's early 90's) than one persons ideas or concepts.
in short, i dont think any one person is responsible for the g funk sound....more like a combination of peeps and their musical influences...
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Wel yeah B diggy, Clinton,Collins and P-funk are the originators but that wasn't the point,we were talkin about who for the first time presented g-funk as a fully finished product and how the fuck you gonna say warren was hanging out with ATL before he hooked up with snoop when warren g and snoop been best friends since age 12-13? what the fuck? Warren G would go with Dre to the studio while NWA was making Efil4zaggin, and ATL being on ruthless as well were there too, Warren G got to hang wit ATL and NWA...and ATL is on "Prelude" but not Warren G,if so,then where?also I agree that g-funk really came about as a musical movement in the 80's-90's responsible to many people,but i'm talking about who first presented it as a finished product and that was Dre or ATL, i think it was probably The D.O.C.'s Grand Finale or ATL's The Last Song (which came first?) because it embodies what G-funk is, P-funk gangsta-rap-ified updated for the new generation...which P-funk is it derivative from? None other than Parliament's "Chocolate City" peep that song and You will recognize that beat. But as JakeDogg once said...rap has always been envisioned as rhyming words over funk beats...but not counting that we could look as far back as "A Bitch Iz A Bitch" and compare that beat to the first few minutes of mothership connection(star child),while it's not the same thing, musically it's very similar..in other words You be the judge, but it was probably Dre or ATL....peace-Tanjint
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Dont try an school me fool. Grand Finale is before the Last Song.
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yall should listen 2 Kokane Funk Upon A Rythme even if u think kokane is weak then u might see a different side to this than ur ive got all dre and warrens records attitude
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Dont try an school me fool. Grand Finale is before the Last Song.
Read properly - he was asking a question.
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I dont give a fuck he was tryin to school me wit some gay patronizing shit
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Well, He DID Say Peace, So I Wouldn't Take It Personal...
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Apologies im needin a blunt some of this shit just sets me off dont trip8)8)8)
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Thanks for holdin it down for me Trauma and Overseer,I didn't mean anything against you man,i just disagreed with some of the shit you said...i got nothin against anybody except whorider LOL..peace-Tanjint
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it'z kinda hard 2 say who created G-Funk, ya know. i mean, tha only point Tanjint never mentioned BESIDEZ Dre helping Warren out on producin iz that Warren and Snoop started a group up called 213. they would make songz Warren would produce, although hiz beats weren't all that. then later on Nate Dogg wuz added. so u can go either way on it, wether it wuz Dre or Warren who created it. but if u ask me, i'd have 2 say that Above The Law did it first......
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Well we can say that ATL came up with the idea and Dre and Warren made it so famous.
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yea, that'z tru.....
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Uh dude, J Dogg, Snoop and Warren did rap together as kids,By the time Nate joined they weren't even a damn group. In other words, 213 was formed while Nate Dogg was in it. Not before...peace-Tanjint
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all of you have a point so i dont know which one of you i should agree with, but i think that 213 started g funk, it just sound more like g funk, than dre's stuff.
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I think Dre started it. But has anyone heard any old 213 tracks (before they were on deathrow) because I haven't.
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Well speaking from authenticity and being around when G-Funk was started. Dre, Warren G DID NOT create the sound nor the term "G-Funk." and many of you have conflicting stories. In the interview section of www.abvdlaw.com (which is going online sooner than you think). The Origin of G-Funk is explained. Not to take anything away from the great production gurus of G and Dre, but coming from a soulful and funk background and being able to play a variety of instruments, when the latter two depended on sampling, Hutch/ATL developed a more orchestrated sound and coined the term G-Funk in 91 when Tupac asked the group, "what do you y'all call this sound?" And Hutch replied it's just the funky shit that hustlers, pimps, and gangsters can ride to." And Dre only produced a few songs and mixed "Living Like Hustlers." The core of the album was done before they were even signed to Ruthless in 1989. Dre's production was dope, but completely on a different style when Eazy and NWA's debut dropped. Dre or G didn't make it famous, but in order to live up to the gangster image that was prevalent in west coast music, G-Funk was a perfectly coined term for them to use. In fact listen to Raekwon and Ghost's verbage assault on biters and negroes taking other folks words and "flippin' and bouncin' it on some bullshit." Them Bruhs knew what they were
talkin' about and it can be applied across coast lines!!!
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all of you have a point so i dont know which one of you i should agree with, but i think that 213 started g funk, it just sound more like g funk, than dre's stuff.
Yeah, i agree.
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I'm thinkin' Cold 187 (ATL) started G-Funk and then Dre is the one who really made it popular.
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ATL started it with sampling P-funk with High bases and later on they started dissing Dre and he's crew for steelin' the concept of "G-funk" when the cronic drops if Im correct.
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That sounds about right to me...Damn I love that BG Knocc Out cover!
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well...i think that the original G-funk was started by Goerge Clinton...you know...the "G" was even standing for "George" for some time...lol...be4 turnin into Ghetto-gangsta-funk or whatever...:)...but he was the one to create the flava...DRE upgraded it tho...and freshened it.....
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That sounds about right to me...Damn I love that BG Knocc Out cover!
thnx G, imma updated my avatar with other of my fantasy covers... next will be big hutch
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i'm trying to find somewhere (anywhere!) online that agrees with you trauma... every site i see says G-Funk is Dres
dre doesnt claim g-funk, its the press that labels him the creator of g-funk...
but it was warren g that crafted his own sound and labeled it "G-FUNK"
warren g was the one that was hollerin that on all his tracks..then fans, press and everyone else labeled dre's production as being g- funk.
so basically warren g labled his music g-funk.. and because he was is affiliated with dpg, dre etc. everybody says they all make it