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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: themovie on August 28, 2002, 09:09:48 AM
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CAM'RON associate JUELZ SANTANA has vehemently defended a lyric on the forthcoming album by the pair's DIPLOMATS crew that pays tribute to September 11 highjacker OMAR ATTA.
The lyric, on a track called 'I Love You' from the Diplomats as yet untitled album, runs: "I worship the prophet/The great Mohammed Omar Atta/For his courage behind the wheel of the plane/Reminds me when I was dealin' the 'caine."
Santana said he does not regret the line and insists he simply admires the courage of Atta.
"I feel my Diplomats are my team and I'm going to do whatever it takes for them, for my people, the same way as he did for his people. Not that I support him or what he did, but in order for him to do that, it had to take courage and love for what he believed in. A lot of New York people don't have that. Maybe if they did, something like that wouldn't happen."
Santana said people are wilfully misinterpreting the lyric in a bid to paint him as a supporter of terrorism.
"I never said I worshipped him, I said I worshipped his courage," he said. "It had nothing to do with 9/11 or me supporting them because I know people in the towers too. If you really listen to the song it was talking about that and the whole situation.
"No matter what anybody says, that was courage right there. If anybody wants to say I worship them, well I know how I feel - I don't worship them. I don't appreciate anything they ever did. I'm not with them, not 1%, not 2% not 10% but I've looked in the dictionary and I've defined the word courage."
Santana added that as the first anniversary of the terrorist strikes approaches, people should not be focusing on his lyric, but asking why the attacks happened at all.
"Why did that happen? Why did that happen on September 11, that is my question," he said. "If that had have never happened, I would have never been able to sing that. It's because United States have been going over there trespassing, stealing their stuff... now they make it seem like they came over here and bombed us for nothing.
"How did the United States let this happen. How can you talk about my words when the big question is how can you let this happen."
Cam'ron and other members of The Diplomats, Jimmy Jones and Freekey Zekey, all feature on the album, due for release in late December. Santana said he doesn't feel any backlash to his lyric will damage their career – and he insists he will not withdraw the lyric from the album.
"If Eminem can get away with the things he does, then I can get away with what I do,". "And to be honest, I really don't think I did anything wrong. It’s not like I'm coming out speaking out all the time about the Taliban. What I do is music - it's words coming out of my mouth. That was one sentence, you understand."
Credit : NME
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People are always jumping the gun over shit, especially is it involves 9/11
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cam and juelz both suck, they are just average rappers that get hot beatz from kayne and just blaze
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damn, juels santana actually sounds like he got some intelligence
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damn, juels santana actually sounds like he got some intelligence
How is what he said intellengent, All he was trying to do is start controversy there for get exposure. Its a proven fact that controversy sells. But in my mind he went to far. I dont respect what he said at all and I can tell i dont like him already.
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They were some stupid lyrics. He is basically saying that he worships someone who killed innocent people. That is a very stupid thing to say. Plus very disrespectfull.
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this guy is dumbfuck. straight up retarded idiot. Murder ain't courage.
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Murder isn't, but dieing for your people is.
Now watch everyone say I support terrorism because I understood what he was saying.
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They were some stupid lyrics. He is basically saying that he worships someone who killed innocent people. That is a very stupid thing to say. Plus very disrespectfull.
I agree... I find that shit to be disrespectful, straight up...
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Murder isn't, but dieing for your people is.
Now watch everyone say I support terrorism because I understood what he was saying.
Juelz Santana is an idiot. Atta didn't die for his people (btw, who are they? the Taliban? the Afghans? who?), he died to kill other people. September 11th was wrong. US foreign "policies" are wrong. Courageous people never act at the expense of innocent people. Only right-wing, fascist wankas act like that.
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Honestly speaking, Juelz can say whatever he wants to say. That's freedom of speech. Nevertheless he's an uneducated moron.
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Juelz Santana is an idiot. Atta didn't die for his people (btw, who are they? the Taliban? the Afghans? who?), he died to kill other people. September 11th was wrong. US foreign "policies" are wrong. Courageous people never act at the expense of innocent people. Only right-wing, fascist wankas act like that.
Brainwashign my friend. He was probably brainwashed into doing it. But whatever, I'm not in the mood to go on with a discussion that belongs in Hall of Mirrors.
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Brainwashign my friend. He was probably brainwashed into doing it.
true dat. but being brainwashed ain't courage.
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Brainwashign my friend. He was probably brainwashed into doing it. But whatever, I'm not in the mood to go on with a discussion that belongs in Hall of Mirrors.
Your acting like he had deep meaning behind that line. Hes just trying to get in the news. Wheres he from anyway? Hes eastcoast so im guessin new york(i could be wrong) if so shouldnt he care more about his fellow new yorkers than the terrorists? Bottom line hes praising a terrorist and no one can convice me thats right because there is no right in it. In fact after reading over it, the line now discusts me. I hope he sells less records from this and i hope this isnt big in the news because thats what he wants.
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Your acting like he had deep meaning behind that line. Hes just trying to get in the news. Wheres he from anyway? Hes eastcoast so im guessin new york(i could be wrong) if so shouldnt he care more about his fellow new yorkers than the terrorists? Bottom line hes praising a terrorist and no one can convice me thats right because there is no right in it. In fact after reading over it, the line now discusts me. I hope he sells less records from this and i hope this isnt big in the news because thats what he wants.
I nevrr said it had deep meaning. I know it was a way to get attention drawn to himself. I'm just saying I feel what he was saying. You act like you didn't read what he said. He said he wasn't praising terrorism and that he cared about new yorkers and he knew some people that were involved with the attacks.
No offence, but it seems like some people are so blinded with anger over 9/11 that they can't see that it is more than the "Bad" terrorists out to get the "wholesome and innocent" Americans. That's how the media portrays it but I know it goes way deeper than that.
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word to sikotic, i love this guy, hes never too extreme or biased and always fair and on point, props for keepin it real man.
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I nevrr said it had deep meaning. I know it was a way to get attention drawn to himself. I'm just saying I feel what he was saying. You act like you didn't read what he said. He said he wasn't praising terrorism and that he cared about new yorkers and he knew some people that were involved with the attacks.
No offence, but it seems like some people are so blinded with anger over 9/11 that they can't see that it is more than the "Bad" terrorists out to get the "wholesome and innocent" Americans. That's how the media portrays it but I know it goes way deeper than that.
He shouldnt have to explain his lyrics like that. Courage? Oh please. He even called him "the great" Mohammed Omar Atta. I dont think hes a terrorist but i also think hes full of shit. Think about it. WOuld any of us giev a fuck about juelz santana if he didnt say this? No! who was really moved by his incredible(haha) perfromance on Camrons song. Us just talkin about this is giving him the promotion he doesnt deserve.
You do have a point when you said "it is more than the "Bad" terrorists out to get the "wholesome and innocent" Americans"
I really agree with that. BUT I am not an American and I am not blinded by the sadness of this all. I have a reason to be pissed off about this. A guy is praising a murderer. Not just a terrorist, a murderer, a killer. It discusts me that anyone could give any support to someoen that could do so much evil.
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Aight man, I see what your saying. I couldn't five a shit about Juelz Santana to be honest so I'm not defending him because I like him. And eventhough it was intended for publicity I understand where he's coming from. You see it differently. Cool with me.
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"I worship the prophet/The great Mohammed Omar Atta/For his courage behind the wheel of the plane/Reminds me when I was dealin' the 'caine."
What a stupid motherfucker!!! I hope he gets his ass beat for that line.
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I nevrr said it had deep meaning. I know it was a way to get attention drawn to himself. I'm just saying I feel what he was saying. You act like you didn't read what he said. He said he wasn't praising terrorism and that he cared about new yorkers and he knew some people that were involved with the attacks.
No offence, but it seems like some people are so blinded with anger over 9/11 that they can't see that it is more than the "Bad" terrorists out to get the "wholesome and innocent" Americans. That's how the media portrays it but I know it goes way deeper than that.
i agree with you homie that shit hurts to see something like what happend on sept 11 but that should make you mentally stronger and really think about whats going on people get really mad and start trippin and shit you got to settle down and fuckin think about it. i kinda agree with his statement he must have strong belief if he did some shit like that i just like to think what was going on from different people not just the people but why did they do this? and i do agree he had caurage to do what he did......you guys be talkin about snoop having courage for spitting a diss verse at suge man thats pussy shit think about what this guy did i think it takes courage to do what he did. now i dont want to be called a terrorist or anything just look at my avatar i think that we just got to open our eyes a little.
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How is what he said intellengent, All he was trying to do is start controversy there for get exposure. Its a proven fact that controversy sells. But in my mind he went to far. I dont respect what he said at all and I can tell i dont like him already.
LOL. I halfway agree, not about the last part though... but I think the only reason they opened their mouth was to get contraversy going.
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i think juelz santana is a confused individual. calling Atta a prophet and great? and i'm sorry but yall sayin its ok for him to say he thinks this way? i think everyone can have their own opinions, but that is an ignorant statement. thats like saying, "I worship the great Hitler" i mean, i know he brutally murdered millions of jews, but you gotta admire the courage it takes to do that. thats exactly what this damn fool is saying. correct me if i'm wrong, but the ROC is a subsidiary of Def Jam. and Def Jam owner Russell Simmons home was destroyed by the attacks. I wonder how he feels about these lyrics. peace
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The way I see it it wasn't courage but blind anger. Comparin what Atta did to dealin caine and callin it courage that should be worshipped is straight up bullshit, but there is one thing he says that is quite on point:
"If that had have never happened, I would have never been able to sing that. It's because United States have been going over there trespassing, stealing their stuff... now they make it seem like they came over here and bombed us for nothing.
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but wait let me think i forgot .....its courage when our Military goes over and bombs the fuck out of them and kills civilians (maybe not on purpose) and but its courage that they did that......think about it a little we do it all the time....im not agreeing on the fact that he praises his courage cause i dont think he should be praised for that i would rather praise the courage that Ghandi had when he took beatings from the British.....and Cesar Chavez for fasting like he did practically starving which later was determined was cause for his death........Things like that is courage worth praising to me..... cause they fought with non violence to help there fellow man......im just saying he should be able to say whatever the fuck he wants though cause that what the reason behind all this the freedom we talk about. like eminem says on white america...."to have the right to say something that you might not like".....thats what makes this country so great in my opinion.