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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: infinite59 on August 15, 2002, 04:14:59 PM
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Renegades
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And his work on the D-12 album and the last two Eminem albums have been incredible.
He's mad underated.
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You godamn right...Eminem is dropping some dope shit as a producer nowadays...I love all his shit...Every beat he's made has been tight...But what do u expect? He learned from the greatest...
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he's dope, a lot of people hate tho cuz his beats r rocked influenced
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I think that Eminem makes cool beats, but he definitely needs to let Dr. Dre mix (all of) them. (And I mean each and every single one of them). ;)
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Yea, I think eventually he'll be a big name producer, but there's a lot of big producers who don't get the credit they deserve, because the lyrics overshadow the beat, like Erick Sermon, great producer. The dude from De La Soul is awesome, but Plug One gets all the attention. All the guys who produced for Pac, you never even hear of anymore... Even Puffy is underrated, his early stuff was classic. Peace~
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Eminem has been on fire lately with production. His production matches him well too.
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I think that Eminem makes cool beats, but he definitely needs to let Dr. Dre mix (all of) them. (And I mean each and every single one of them). ;)
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Eminem has been on fire lately with production. His production matches him well too.
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hell yea
At his best he's close to Dr.Dre-level.
But he can get a little repetive some times, and some of his beats sounds unfinished.
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I totally agree. I remember a few months ago, right before "The Eminem Show" leaked/dropped, everyone was like 'aww he's wack, i'm not looking forward to hearing him over his own beats', doubting his skills before even giving him a chance and hearing him out first, but I was VERY impressed with the work he did on his new album & that "Renegade" beat was awsome. The beats Dre did weren't even my fav. beats on "The Eminem Show", thats says alot because I consider Dre to be the G.O.A.T when it comes to production.
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Eminem has produced alot more number 1 singles than a lot of big name producers, and he has some nice dark beats too......even though i now HATE Without Me, that song is ingenius, and if Em gave that beat to anyone else they woulda blown the fuck up off it too....
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"Cleaning Out My Closet," "Square Dance" and "Superman" are all near classic beats.
Em said in an interview recently he is now starting to learn how to use more equipment, like the drum machine. Before he had DJ Head do all his drum tracks. He's coming full circle.
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"Cleaning Out My Closet," "Square Dance" and "Superman" are all near classic beats.
Em said in an interview recently he is now starting to learn how to use more equipment, like the drum machine. Before he had DJ Head do all his drum tracks. He's coming full circle.
I think that's why he doesn't get the props he deserves as a producer is because people don't think he's really producin, they think he's just puttin his name on it. I forgot another great song he produced......
"Rock City" Royce da 5'9"
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Rock City was tight too. I think his rappin abilities overshadow his production abilities so no one recognizes his work on the boards.
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Em never produced Rock CIty......
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I think that's why he doesn't get the props he deserves as a producer is because people don't think he's really producin, they think he's just puttin his name on it. I forgot another great song he produced......
"Rock City" Royce da 5'9"
Same thing people say about Dre..."Oh, he just puts his name on beats that arent his"...People dont understand there's more too production than playing the intruments...Overseeing is what production is about...
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Em never produced Rock CIty......
He co-produced it. I think many people hate on him as a producer cuz his beats are very rock-influenced. The first time I heard "White America" the first few seconds sounded like the beginning of a fuckin Papa Roach track to me and I'm not surprised about many hiphop fans not likin that. But a lot of people overlook the skills he definitely has due to that
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I think that's why he doesn't get the props he deserves as a producer is because people don't think he's really producin, they think he's just puttin his name on it.
I agree. But as others have said, he's not the only one that gets that. People just don't wanna give him recognition most of the time, their just haters...
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Just because his beats are rock influence should not make him a bad producer. He brings more diversity to hip-hop which is good.
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i would much rather listen to an eminem rock influenced beat than i would a repetitive dre beat...
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Of course Dre mixing beats makes them better, ask Daz. But Eminem is coming into his own. Soon he can do Shady Records by himself with the knowledge he gained from Dre and be on his own, like Daz did, and Snoop did busness wise.
And as for the Rock influenes. I'm a big fan of regional sounds, and Detriot is two things, it's the home of Motown soul, and it's Rock City. So by having Detroit production mix Rock, I think that puts a very unique sound to that region, and gives it a sound to call their own. Like Long Beach Funk, Bay Siccness, N.Y. Hip-Hop, Miami Bass, St. Louis Country, L.A. Gangsta, New Orlands Beats By The Pound sound and other regions. It's all good for rap music.
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indizzle fa shizzle.....Eminem produces some tight tracks and the beats fit him perfectly.
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indizzle fa shizzle.....Eminem produces some tight tracks and the beats fit him perfectly.
word... I heard him say somewhere before he writes the lyrics for a track, he already has the idea of how the beat will go in his head, and that's why he produces most of his shit...LoL
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word... I heard him say somewhere before he writes the lyrics for a track, he already has the idea of how the beat will go in his head, and that's why he produces most of his shit...LoL
Yeah, thats from the DVD that came with "The Eminem Show", it's a good beat making philosophy too if ya ask me :)
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I noticed I get bored of the rock influence quickly, but it makes his shit different and it doesn't at all mean he's unskilled
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word... I heard him say somewhere before he writes the lyrics for a track, he already has the idea of how the beat will go in his head, and that's why he produces most of his shit...LoL
Loool I do the same thang but I cant do the beat :-/
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I write my lyrics to a beat in my head, and then I start to create the beat (and then I might rearrange the lyrics to fit the beat better, if it's a really dope beat).
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yeah so what do you guys think about eminems production?
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lmao
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lol. how much changes with the release of a 2pac cd and 4 years time
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Hes a good producer obviously because a true professional taught him. I'd probably rank him top 20 as a producer.
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I honestly think he's an underated producer. He's not great but he gets a lot of unfair hate.
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it's just obvious a lot of people are doing work
lots of credits I've seen of his productions have drum programming and blah blah done by others
plus doesn't Dre always mix his shit?
a beat of his I do like a lot is "My Name" on Xzibit's album....
even tho it's a tight song it's really dragged down by the fact that these guys actually wasted time and dissed Jermaine Dupri....
on an official album nonetheless
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He is a good pop hop producer
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The "You Dont Know" beat is a certified banger.
Eminem aint as bad as people make it out to be. Hes a hit or miss though.
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Hes a hit or miss though.
Exactly. Thats why its safe to rank him top 20. Basically singles he has produced are played out but all other tracks he has produced are great.
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The "You Dont Know" beat is a certified banger.
Eminem aint as bad as people make it out to be. Hes a hit or miss though.
I was going to say hit or miss but nevermind. I like the stuff he produces for Lloyd Banks and Obie Trice. They both sound tight over a Eminem beat.
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20 producers who are doper than Eminem
DJ Premier
J Dilla
Madlib
Oh No
Pete Rock
Dr Dre
Ayatollah
9th Wonder
Dangermouse
DJ Quik
Hi-Tek
Stoupe The Enemy Of Mankind
RJD2
DJ Shadow
Lord Finesse
Koolade
Astiani & Baltzer
NickNack
Context
Tue Track
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fa sho Eminem is fuckin ill producer Scott Storch , Dr. Dre, and Sha Money XL are better though
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The "You Dont Know" beat is a certified banger.
Eminem aint as bad as people make it out to be. Hes a hit or miss though.
you dont definately bumps hard,
i loved the tracks he did for jayz and nas, they sounded similar though and square dance is a classic!
did em produce love me of the 8 mile soundtrack? that beat was awesome
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did em produce love me of the 8 mile soundtrack? that beat was awesome
Yes, along with additional production from Luis Resto.
P.S. 40LocHotRod, beautiful sig, but it'll get taken down...
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P.S. 40LocHotRod, beautiful sig, but it'll get taken down...
was thinkin the same thing :P
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P.S. 40LocHotRod, beautiful sig, but it'll get taken down...
was thinkin the same thing :P
Sure...
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P.S. 40LocHotRod, beautiful sig, but it'll get taken down...
was thinkin the same thing :P
Sure...
indeed
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P.S. 40LocHotRod, beautiful sig, but it'll get taken down...
was thinkin the same thing :P
Sure...
well unfortuanetely some homosexual took it down >:(
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P.S. 40LocHotRod, beautiful sig, but it'll get taken down...
was thinkin the same thing :P
Sure...
well unfortuanetely some homosexual took it down >:(
LOL. Oklin probably had something to do with that...
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i smell a snitch
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i smell a snitch
It's all good, at least it turned me on for 20 seconds... :D
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His beats all sound the same, plus he fucked up PAC's LTTG album......
He needs to start changin his style imo.....
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i smell a snitch
That scent must be comin from youre gunit sig :laugh:
Em isnt underated as a producer this topic is proof. I think hes good but if he wasent with Dre peeps wouldnt be givin the props he is gettin now as far as producing goes
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plus he fucked up PAC's LTTG album......
I disagree...I mean, we heard the other Pac remixes done before Eminem like "Fair Exchange" (w/ Mya) and "Thugz Nature" (w/ Lil Mo)...Eminem's remixes weren't all that great, but they put most of the other posthumous Pac remixes to shame...PeACe
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plus he fucked up PAC's LTTG album......
I disagree...I mean, we heard the other Pac remixes done before Eminem like "Fair Exchange" (w/ Mya) and "Thugz Nature" (w/ Lil Mo)...Eminem's remixes weren't all that great, but they put most of the other posthumous Pac remixes to shame...PeACe
But cmon, Pac would have not fucked with 50 Cent or G Unit. So its a disgrace to put them all over his albums, Obie too. Ya'kno? I just feel its a total disrespect to Pac.... the beats were all the same, Elton John? cmon!!!!!!!!!!!!! Need I go on?
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plus he fucked up PAC's LTTG album......
I disagree...I mean, we heard the other Pac remixes done before Eminem like "Fair Exchange" (w/ Mya) and "Thugz Nature" (w/ Lil Mo)...Eminem's remixes weren't all that great, but they put most of the other posthumous Pac remixes to shame...PeACe
But cmon, Pac would have not fucked with 50 Cent or G Unit. So its a disgrace to put them all over his albums, Obie too. Ya'kno? I just feel its a total disrespect to Pac.... the beats were all the same, Elton John? cmon!!!!!!!!!!!!! Need I go on?
dont ge me wrong, i hte gunit. but it as better than anything daz has done with pac.
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plus he fucked up PAC's LTTG album......
I disagree...I mean, we heard the other Pac remixes done before Eminem like "Fair Exchange" (w/ Mya) and "Thugz Nature" (w/ Lil Mo)...Eminem's remixes weren't all that great, but they put most of the other posthumous Pac remixes to shame...PeACe
But cmon, Pac would have not fucked with 50 Cent or G Unit. So its a disgrace to put them all over his albums, Obie too. Ya'kno? I just feel its a total disrespect to Pac.... the beats were all the same, Elton John? cmon!!!!!!!!!!!!! Need I go on?
Well, were discussing the level of his production now, not whether or not he shoulda' put 50 Cent on a 2Pac album. And in my opinion, the beats weren't bad...PeACe
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But they were..... take GHOST for eg.. from ressurection ost, Eminem produces it, he isn't featured on it.... the original track is produced by DJ Pooh and has one big Pac verse. Eminem split it into 2 when he remixed it.... he fucked it up toally
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Looks like he's overrated to me, could list at least 50 producers better than him without much thought.
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But they were..... take GHOST for eg.. from ressurection ost, Eminem produces it, he isn't featured on it.... the original track is produced by DJ Pooh and has one big Pac verse. Eminem split it into 2 when he remixed it.... he fucked it up toally
I guarantee a Jazze Phae remix would have been even worse...But honestly, almost any 2Pac track that gets remixed is worse than the original, it's just how it is...2Pac's album kinda ruined Eminem's production career, because around that time he was really targeted as a producer, but after the album release, not many people liked it, and Eminem went from being considered an underrated producer to an overrated one...PeACe
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till i collapse is good
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Eminem's problem is, that people compare "Eminem the producer" to "Eminem the rapper". Now, since "Eminem the rapper" was untouchable in his prime, people basically compare him to one of the best rappers ever. And he's far from one of the best producers ever, so people think he sucks as a producer, because his producing standrads are not close to what his rapping standards used to be. I bet my ass off, that if a random dude would have came out with his beats, people wouldnt have been like "man, those beats gobble dick"... you know what Im sayin?
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^i dont know man, i compare eminem the producer to dr dre the producer who put him on, which is why my expectations of his new projects are always let down
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^i dont know man, i compare eminem the producer to dr dre the producer who put him on, which is why my expectations of his new projects are always let down
cmon, just because dre is his homie and shit, you can't expect him to produce like dre does.. Eminem is (or, used to be) a very good rapper, now he tries to produce. Well, some of his beats arent even that bad. Kanye once claimed that "eminem got the best drums in hiphop" ... that's alot to claim when you know that kanye is arrogant as fuck and also considered an elite producer. Of course Eminem's beats are far from as good as Dre's are. But then again, Eminem doesn't jack as much as Dre does (no hater).
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Eminem's beats are a pretty good fit for his own style, but when other rappers are on them, it's hit-or-miss (Jay-Z sounded good on "Renagade", but Nas wasn't so good on "The Cross', for example).
On the other hand (and I know a lotta y'all disagree), I don't think "Loyal To The Game" was all that bad. Don't get me wrong, it was still not that good, either, but seriously, is it really that much worse than all of the other shitty 2Pac posthumous albums that have been released? "LTTG" was at least listenable, whereas most of those albums were just fuckin awful except for 2-3 songs.
Of course, the 4 remix tracks on "LTTG" were far better than anything Eminem produced on that album. If Afeni Shakur will only put out an entire record of songs of that quality, then I wouldn't mind posthumous Pac records so much. As it is, they're all pretty much disgraceful to Pac's legacy, so bad that "LTTG" sounded like an improvement in comparison.
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Eminem USED to be a good producer. I remember looking forward to his production. From Renegade to the stuff on Eminem show, he was becoming one of my favorite producers.
Then the 2nd D-12 album dropped, and something went wrong.
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Eminem USED to be a good producer. I remember looking forward to his production. From Renegade to the stuff on Eminem show, he was becoming one of my favorite producers.
Then the 2nd D-12 album dropped, and something went wrong.
em had like half a good year.. then his shit got repetitive n wack
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you get the feeling that he tries too hard to be a labeled a "producer" as well
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dont ge me wrong, i hte gunit. but it as better than anything daz has done with pac.
You're a fucking idiot!
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not only he makes shitty beats...(fucking up that entire pac album) ....his rapping aint good no more either....em just lost whatever intrest he had in hiphop...his wack ass just needs to retire now...
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not only he makes shitty beats...(fucking up that entire pac album) ....his rapping aint good no more either....em just lost whatever intrest he had in hiphop...his wack ass just needs to retire now...
Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
Beats on "LTTG" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 90% of the beats on other posthumous Tupac albums (after "Makaveli")
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not only he makes shitty beats...(fucking up that entire pac album) ....his rapping aint good no more either....em just lost whatever intrest he had in hiphop...his wack ass just needs to retire now...
Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
Beats on "LTTG" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 90% of the beats on other posthumous Tupac albums (after "Makaveli")
Have you lost your mind lately?
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not only he makes shitty beats...(fucking up that entire pac album) ....his rapping aint good no more either....em just lost whatever intrest he had in hiphop...his wack ass just needs to retire now...
Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
Beats on "LTTG" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 90% of the beats on other posthumous Tupac albums (after "Makaveli")
Have you lost your mind lately?
Nope. It's just that unlike a lotta cats on here, I ain't biased against Eminem cause he's white.
Of course, I'm still going to kill him when Judgment Day comes, cause Allah told me I gotta do it.
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you get the feeling that he tries too hard to be a labeled a "producer" as well
Yeah, no doubt.
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not only he makes shitty beats...(fucking up that entire pac album) ....his rapping aint good no more either....em just lost whatever intrest he had in hiphop...his wack ass just needs to retire now...
Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
Beats on "LTTG" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 90% of the beats on other posthumous Tupac albums (after "Makaveli")
Have you lost your mind lately?
Nope. It's just that unlike a lotta cats on here, I ain't biased against Eminem cause he's white.
Of course, I'm still going to kill him when Judgment Day comes, cause Allah told me I gotta do it.
Neither am I, and eminem at his worst is pretty damn terrible
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Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
really?
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LMAO...Now I KNOW that gimmicky dude is white (or Asian).
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Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
really?
Yep.
LMAO...Now I KNOW that gimmicky dude is white (or Asian).
Shut up, kike. It's gonna be back to the gas chambers for you when the revolution pops off.
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Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
really?
Yep.
alright
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Eminem at his worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your favorite West Coast rapper.
really?
Yep.
LMAO...Now I KNOW that gimmicky dude is white (or Asian).
Shut up, kike. It's gonna be back to the gas chambers for you when the revolution pops off.
Why must you hurt my feelings like that? :'(